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 * A Happy New Year to you, Evad37. Northamerica1000(talk) 04:34, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Infobox Australian road small
Where are we with the small version of Infobox Australian road? The code is still in the sandbox but the discussion seemed to fizzle out and Nbound hasn't been seen since 30 October. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 06:55, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't actually see the need to effectively fork the infobox road small template, when that template is working well and provides for all the necessary details – I have used it in two list articles I created recently, Tourist Drives in Western Australia and Major roads in the Wheatbelt region of Western Australia (I tested the IRS template out while I was developing those articles in my sandbox). We can discuss further if you wish, but this is where I'm at, at the moment. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 17:27, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Addng the small parameter isn't forking infobox road small, and there is something to be said for the consistency of sticking to using just the one template (Infobox Australian road) in all Australian articles. Having seen how easy it was to incorporate the small option, I don't really see why it was necessary to fork infobox road to create a separate infobox road small. That said, if there is no continued desire to have a small option, I'll just post a thread at the infobox talk page should we decide to raise the matter again in the future. At least that way we won't have to start over again. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 00:41, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

pretty please...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outram_Street,_West_Perth tweaks please - road thingoes, please... satusuro 10:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC) when you can, not such a problem now... satusuro 11:52, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Evad37 &#91;talk] 12:30, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * ta for that rap on knuckle for the creator, but hey we did it! - cheers satusuro 12:36, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

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Please sign this post - perhaps with a manually inserted retrospective time. (Apparently SineBot is on holidays as well.) The discussion will probably be easier to follow with signatures (and valid dates/times). Mitch Ames (talk) 13:29, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, have rectified it - Evad37 &#91;talk] 15:07, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

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Congrats!!!
Well done!!! quadruple banger - for roads, rail, wheatbelt and bridge history for wa - amazing work!!! satusuro 02:55, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I want to take it all the way to FA, but I might need to do a bit of research in the state library first. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 13:47, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * if you want some help i am in sro and battye tommorrow (monday) afternoon - email me if you want... satusuro 14:19, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * your magic wand please at Stirling Terrace, Toodyay - great if you could please. Thanks satusuro 14:39, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * thank you as always, also if you hadnt passed it recently the roads made by len beadell might be of interest. thanks again and cheers satusuro 15:20, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * water in the wheatbelt, wanted, un wanted, saline and otherwise is a project in itself... many hours in the battye and sro i think - thank you for the link much appreciate the heads up satusuro 03:37, 15 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The clackline thing is really as complicated as we want to make it - the rail junction there and the issues of spencer brook northam connection could lead to a whole range of spinoff additions to both the clackline, toodyay, spencers brook and northam articles - nothing straight forward at all, also at some stage in the 1940s and 1950s the interconnectedness is something worthy of a long coffee/tee/beer break sometime satusuro 08:13, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

problem
was created to alleviate the issue raised at awnb. however a POV laden uncited list also exists at  wwhich really breaks more rules than i can think of and even with WP:Bold still smells of deletable content. what do you think? satusuro 14:20, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe just have a plain list of names in List of political parties in Australia, and a change List of registered political parties in Australia into a list with details... ie swap the contents, and add cleanup tags/banners to the detailed content (or just clean it up, if you're game). - Evad37 &#91;talk] 14:43, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * haha - i think the natural course of events has already flown for those two now they have been under the spotlight for a bit. suspect the radar missed the long standing crap for no particular bad or good reason satusuro 08:15, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

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Try MMS
I see you messaging users on WP:TAFI, it seems like your doing that manually. I would recommend WP:MMS, it's way easier, than manually cut and paste. And if you need help doing that you could always ask me. Cheers, ///Euro Car  GT  01:25, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion, I have requested the permission at Wikipedia talk:Mass message senders - Evad37 &#91;talk] 01:48, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think you request it there. You'll need to ask an admin or admin request. Cheers, ///Euro Car  GT  01:57, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * ...then WP:MMS needs to be updated, because it said to make the request at the talk page. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:11, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * That's true, but I don't see no archive boxes for this, meaning no requests. I'll try this: admin help Help: We need some editors to send out mass-messages for WP:TAFI, so we need WP:MMS to ease out the word. We'll send out to Today's articles for improvement/Members. ///Euro Car  GT  02:26, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * An admin is not needed for this, just a user with the massmesage userright, such as me. Feel free to ping me here when you have a message ready to go. Technical 13 (talk) 02:30, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

✅: I now have the user right - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:36, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Great! I've also got AWB to send mass messages, in case you 2 are busy! ///Euro Car  GT  02:38, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Just don't go breaking any more talk pages like you did mine (see below). Technical 13 (talk) 02:40, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the broken code, I have fixed it now - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:42, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Your most recent TAFI MMS message
At the very bottom of every TAFI message I have received there is an extra at the very bottom after the table that breaks the formatting of my talk page. If you could look into that and remove that extra div from the boilerplate template you used to create the message, i would greatly appreciate that. Thanks. Technical 13 (talk) 02:19, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * - the should have been at the end of the table instead of after it - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:41, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Removal of unnecessary bold
My recent edits removed (what I consider to be) unMOS-like bold. I did notice that MOS:BOLD allows for "list", but the example is very bad. See Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Text formatting. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:33, 24 January 2014 (UTC) The eternal conflict between what we say we should do (MOS) and "what everyone else is doing". After WP:Village pump (policy), I probably don't want to know about those other articles... Mitch Ames (talk) 11:31, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... there was something in the MOS about bolding terms which are the subject of redirects, which is more what I was going for (though I haven't yet created the redirects, its on my mental to-do list). Though the bold text is perhaps not entirely necessary, given that the road names are used as level 2 headings, and the alternate names are usually similar, with only the use of dashes or order of words being different... but on the other hand normal articles have their titles bolded in the lead, even though there is a level 1 heading right above it. I actually got the formatting from WP:USRD/RCS examples and the like, so there is some precedence (or other articles to cleanup as the case may be) - Evad37 &#91;talk] 15:05, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I did think about redirects, and checked several of the terms to see if they were redirects (and didn't find any). Some of them obviously wouldn't be redirects because there are main articles. WP:R says "It will often be appropriate to bold the redirected term", so that it is clear to the reader why they are in an article that is different to the link they clicked. However in this case I don't believe the bold is necessary - the section heading is what they will be expecting. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:25, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, agree that just the section heading is adequate - Evad37 &#91;talk] 15:28, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * "I actually got the formatting from WP:USRD/RCS examples and the like, so there is some precedence (or other articles to cleanup as the case may be)"
 * Of course, until challenged/discussed, "what everyone else is doing" is implicit consensus, by default - Evad37 &#91;talk] 15:28, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!
For the update on WP:TAFI, I was about to do that, but was busy! Anyways good work! ///Euro Car GT  02:00, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

streets in country towns of western australia
We have toodyay, and a number of country towns that need dealing with watcha reckon? satusuro 14:49, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * As long as they are created with enough info to demonstrate notability... the "danger" of (stub) articles on smaller streets is increased likelihood of PROD/AFD/complaints of WP:NOTEVERYTHING. If/when you or others create articles, let me know here or post to the WT:WA new articles noticeboard, and I'll come along and tidy things up, but I've still got the major roads in the other regions to work on (Gascoyne is up next) - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:42, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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7th Ave bridge
FYI https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:7th_Avenue_Bridge,_Maylands is currently filling up, should be 22 images there later tonight Gnangarra 13:28, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * feel free to re-arrange the added refs, it just seems right to show the old girl has had more facelifts than... whoever... satusuro 14:37, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Great Eastern Highway
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Mitch Ames (talk) 14:48, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your copyediting and comments, but you should probably move them to the FAC page (the GA review was already closed as a pass). I'll take a more detailed look and respond tomorrow. Cheers, Evad37 &#91;talk] 16:16, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

tweak to duplinks
Thanks for making that change to duplinks (highlighting the first link of a pair in green), that will help a lot. I'm not a coder, but I can handle regex, and there's some interest in a script that will highlight everything within an article from a list of regex expressions in the same way as duplinks (and your way, in green and red, would be even better). Can you show me how to make that change to your script? - Dank (push to talk) 14:57, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... this sounds a bit complicated. duplinks and my version, duplinks-alt, do the highlighting by adding a custom CSS class to the existing &lt;a> ... &lt;/a> html tags which define links. To do a similar thing for some words within a paragraph, &lt;span> ... &lt;/span> tags would need to be added around those words, so the highlighting could apply just to those words. User:Evad37/showhardspaces.js may be a better starting off point, as it is a simpler script that finds hard spaces (&amp;nbsp;) and replaces them with a visible marker, using the &lt;span> method. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 15:43, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps ask at WP:VPT, where you'll probably find more advanced coders – I'm more of an intermediate-level coder, and I don't actually have any regex experience. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 15:48, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks much. - Dank (push to talk) 16:39, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

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is it ok
if i transfer that over to wiki ians talk page as well?? satusuro 13:03, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure, go for it. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 16:15, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

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 * I don't think it is broken – you do indeed seem to be opted out. The last TAFI message was for week 8, sent to you at 16:22, 17 February 2014 . You opted out about 1 hour later, and have not been "spammed" since then – you did not get a week 9 message, like the one directly above this section. If you no longer want to see the old TAFI messages, feel free to archive or delete them. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 00:51, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Mitchell Freeway photo date
HI can you help date this photo, which obviously wrong at the moment.. Gnangarra 14:56, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd say its sometime between 1970, when construction of the interchange began, and late 1972, when most of the work was completed. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 00:51, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * looking at it som emore its is late '59 as th narrows is still being built this wouldnt actually be the mitchell but rather just the roads that ran off the narrows to link it into the city. Gnangarra 05:24, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

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Pedestrian counters = Freo
You may find http://www.fremantlebid.com/people-counters-around-city-2/ interesting Gnangarra 22:20, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, intereseting, and perhaps worth being used in the articles - Evad37 &#91;talk] 01:55, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

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Categorization of roads
Should an article about a road be in the same-named category? I can see the sense the logic of both of: Presumably we should be consistent about it, but recent changes are not consistent, eg
 * Yes
 * No, but the category has cat main. (Although this only links from the cat to the article, but there is no obvious link from the article to the cat. However it does remove the problem whereby an article about a road is indirectly in a category "Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia".)
 * and takes the article out of the category and adds cat main
 * leaves the article in Category:Stirling Terrace, Toodyay and adds it to Category:Roads in Western Australia. I would have expected Category:Stirling Terrace, Toodyay to be a subcat of Category:Roads in Western Australia, but it is not. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:04, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I started removing the roads themselves after adding the cat mains to categories, but the I wasn't so sure about the removal. Any, part of the problem is that these cats aren't actually about roads themselves, rather thare are about the buildings and structures built on (alongside?) the road. If you look through the content of the cats, the very vast majority of the pages do not below under the Roads in Western Australia category tree, but do belong under the Category:Buildings and structures in Western Australia category tree. Having thought about it some more, the XYZ Road categories should probably be renamed (and turned into category redirects to) Buildings on XYZ Road (or similar) – which logically would mean that the roads themselves should not be in the categories. Also, I just realised the problem of road articles not being in the category for buildings could be solved by including said category in the see also section of the article. Does that make sense to you?
 * Re your last point: Category:Stirling Terrace, Toodyay should not be a subcat of Category:Roads in Western Australia, because the pages in it would not logically fit into Category:Roads in Western Australia. Per WP:SUBCAT, "When making one category a subcategory of another, ensure that the members of the subcategory really can be expected (with possibly a few exceptions[clarification needed]) to belong to the parent also." - Evad37 &#91;talk] 14:25, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps also more sideways links are needed (ie, via category see also), since the sub-cat/parent-cat relationship isn't suitable. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 14:44, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Thoughts? - Evad37 &#91;talk] 14:04, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

The WP:CAT guideline actually has the answer. Per the WP:EPONYMOUS subsection, Guidelines for articles #1: "The article itself should be a member of the eponymous category and should be sorted with a space to appear at the start of the listing". So I have done that for are the articles, and they are now consistent. I have also replaced the cat main and related templates with cathead on road, which I created today and explains that the category is for buildings, structures etc on a road, and thus why the categories are subcats of Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia, itself a subcat of Category:Buildings and structures in Western Australia. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 06:30, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I suggest that this category should not be a container category. There are articles about specific buildings and structures that are on roads in WA, but they are on roads for which there is no eponymous category, so can't currently be put into Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia. One example is Seventh Avenue Bridge. There is no article Seventh Avenue, Maylands, much less a category, and it's probably not appropriate to create either, but that bridge is certainly a building or structure on a road in WA, so ought be in that category (directly or indirectly). (Likewise there are several articles about buildings on Vincent Street, North Perth, but there is Category:Vincent Street, North Perth. I might create one though - there are at least five articles, which is more than appear in some of the existing subcats of Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia.)
 * One obvious problem is whether (as suggested by WP:EPONYMOUS) the article itself is a member of the eponymous category. Is a road "a building, structure or other feature on" itself? For the purpose of this exercise it might be better to answer "yes", in which case we should change cathead on road to say "This category is for, and buildings, structures, and other features on it." (I can't think of any possible article that might be considered a member of category:Something Street that was not a building or structure or Something Street itself.)
 * By extension, Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia should probably be renamed (for example) Category:Roads in Western Australia and buildings and structures thereon, because currently it contains, indirectly, the roads whose eponymous categories it contains. (Category:Roads in Western Australia then ought to be a subcategory of "Roads in WA and buildings etc thereon".)
 * While on the subject of Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia ...
 * Is a road a "structure", for the purposes of "Category:Buildings and structures in Western Australia? Ie should Category:Roads in Western Australia (or its proposed parent Category:Roads in Western Australia and buildings and structures thereon) be in Category:Buildings and structures in Western Australia?
 * Perhaps the existing Category:Somthing Street containing buildings etc on Something Street is the wrong approach. Would we be better using diffusing categories, eg Category:Buildings and structures in Western Australia by street?
 * Mitch Ames (talk) 14:13, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:Vincent Street, North Perth created. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:25, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Looking through the guideline again, it is quite clear that if they are eponymous categories (as the current names suggest), then the article which each category covers should be in that category. If not, then categories should be renamed/redirected so its clear they are not eponymous categories, eg XYZ Road → Buildings and structures on XYZ road. However, a pragmatic benefit of having the roads in the cats is better navigation, so readers can find the cats from the road articles.
 * I would say actually no, its not, but leave the articles in the cats per WP:EPONYMOUS – unless the cats are renamed per the previous point above, in which remove them from the cats. But WP:SUBCAT does allow for "possibly a few exceptions", so does the cathead on road hatnote actually need to be changed, in anycase?
 * . If a road is a structure (see below), then it doesn't matter that sub-sub-categories of Buildings and structures in Western Australia contains roads, which would seem to go against your renaming argument. (In contrast, a building is very definitely not a road, which is why these categories can't be subcategories of Roads in Western Australia)
 * Perhaps it would be better to keep it as a container category, and have "in region" subcategories (ie, Category:Buildings and structures on roads in the Wheatbelt region of Western Australia) for that purpose? But on the other hand, that might be peeking into a can of worms, given how many different definitions of regions there are.
 * Well, we do have the category tree Buildings and structures in Australia → Infrastructure in Australia → Transport infrastructure in Australia → Roads in Australia. Nonbuilding structure lists road as a type, and infrastructure "is basic physical and organizational structures needed for the operation of a society or enterprise". So that's three points in favour of a road being a type of structure.
 * – not quite sure what you're getting at (aren't the current categories already diffusing their parent cat?), are you proposing to rename Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia → Category:Buildings and structures in Western Australia by street, and each Category:XYZ Road → Category:Buildings and structures on XYZ Road ? (or have I missed the point..?) - Evad37 &#91;talk] 18:43, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

The "problems" as I see them at the moment are:

(Previously I typed "diffusing categories", but that was an error on my part. What I meant was metacategories.) The metacategories would be container categories, but they should still only partial diffuse Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia, so that the latter can contain articles directly if necessary.
 * 1) Category:Something Street is defined by cathead on road to be for "[structures etc] on Something Street", but the category contains Something Street, which is not "on" itself. I agree that (regardless of exactly what we call the category) having Something Street in the same category as structures etc on Something Street is a good idea. The category name Something Street is sufficiently general that there's no contradiction in it including the street and structures thereon, so there's no need to change these category names. The category definition - cathead on road - however does differ from the contents. Not by much, I know, but we might might as well be accurate if we can.
 * My proposed change is that cathead on road say "This category is for, and buildings, structures, and other features on it.", so that it accurately describes the category. (There's no need to change the names of the many categories:Something Street.)
 * 1) The existing Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia contains Something Street (indirectly, via Category:Something Street). But Something Street is a road; it is not on a road. (I agree that a road is a structure, but that doesn't matter here.)
 * Possible solutions:
 * Rename this one category to "Roads in Western Australia and buildings and structures thereon. Literally accurate, considering its contents (direct and indirect), and still fits under Category:Buildings and structures in Western Australia. The disadvantage is that this name places more emphasis on the roads rather than the structures.
 * Leave the category name as it is, but add an explanatory note that subcategories contain the roads themselves, as well as structures etc on the roads. Simple, keeps the focus on the buildings and structures rather than the roads, and probably sufficient.
 * Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia is a container category, currently containing only subcategories (per its description text) by road name. However there exist articles (eg Seventh Avenue Bridge) that ought to be in Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia (directly or indirectly) but are not in a road-name category and it may not be appropriate to put them in one.
 * Possible solutions:
 * Take Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia out of Category:Container categories. Simple and effective. Direct entries (such as 7th Ave Bridge) are not listed/sorted by road name, but I don't think that's a big problem.
 * Keep it as a container category, but "allow" (eg change the descriptive text) sub-categories other than specific roads, eg Category:Buildings and structures on roads in the Wheatbelt region of Western Australia and/or Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Maylands. The first reduces the number of sub-categories but doesn't solve the original problem. The second allows for a larger subcategory than what I would otherwise need to include the 7th Ave Bridge (Category:Seventh Avenue, Maylands) - there are a few structures on roads listed in Category:Maylands, Western Australia. Also it does suggest moving all of the categories:Something Street, Fremantle into Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Fremantle etc (which is then in Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia) for the sake of consistency. (Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Fremantle etc has the same name vs scope problem - ie its name doesn't indicate that it includes the roads themselves - as Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia, but the same potential solutions apply.)
 * Create one or more metacategories Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia by street/suburb/region.

Mitch Ames (talk) 14:00, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


 * 4. Simpler still ... Perhaps we should delete Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia (and other states if appropriate) and replace it with one or more metacategories Category:Buildings and structures in Australia by state or territory, Category:Buildings and structures in Australia by city, Category:Buildings and structures in Australia by suburb/town/locality, Category:Buildings and structures in Australia by ROAD (caps here for emphasis). Do we really need a category that includes all the structures that are on roads but excludes those that are not on roads? Mitch Ames (talk) 14:16, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm struggling to see how deleting the category would improve navigation. – that's not really the purpose of the cat. It was actually intended to be more of a metacategory, breaking down buildings and structures by the road they are on, rather than by type (airport, hospital, etc) or location (city/suburb/town/locality/region).
 * The "in Australia" cats could be parents for the "in Western Australia" cats, but do not negate the value of the state-specific cats. I don't see any reason why an "in Australia" cat for buildings by road would not have an "in Western Australia" subcat (and similar for other states/territories).
 * Now, the by location (city/suburb/town/locality/region) cats or proposed cats can't replace the "in Western Australia" cat for roads in more than one location. Consider, for example, a "Great Northern Highway" category, with structures all the way from Perth to Wyndham. Anyone browsing the subcategories of Category:Buildings and structures in Perth, Western Australia should not be seeing articles on historic buildings in Wyndham, and vice-versa. So they can not completely replace/justify deleting the cat, but could be created for specific locations, eg for Fremantle.
 * So I think there is still a place for the "in WA" category. More replies tomorrow re your other proposals tomorrow. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 15:21, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: I changed the bullets in your message to numbers to make replying easier
 * Yeah, the proposed change to cathead on road seems reasonable.
 * Adding an explanatory note seems like the better solution. The focus should be on the buildings/structures, which make up the vast majority of pages in these categories, rather than the roads.
 * The main problem with putting pages directly within the category is that the inclusion criteria is then too broad: Almost every building/structure can be described as being on a road, if the road is not specified. How is that useful? - Evad37 &#91;talk] 06:05, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

That would be consistent with changing/renaming Category:Buildings and structures on roads in Western Australia to Category:Buildings and structures in Western Australia by road (a subcat of "... in Australia by road") - "by road" explicitly indicates that we want to list by specific road, whereas "on roads" does not.
 * (4)
 * (3) If we change the category to "by road" instead of "on roads", the problem of "too broad a category" goes away, because it is a metacategory rather than a category. As suggested by WP:DIFFUSE, we might want to consider adding catdiffuse, which allows for direct inclusion of articles not yet categorized by road but suggests that they should be so categorized. Mitch Ames (talk) 08:40, 17 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay, so if we change "on roads" to "by road", and Container category to catdiffuse, that resolves these problems - Evad37 &#91;talk] 01:48, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

One fundamental point that hasn't yet been considered is whether the Something Street categories should actually exist in the first place. In particular, is the street a building is on a WP:DEFINING characteristic? And is categorising buildings by roads an example of Intersection by location (overcategorisation)? - Evad37 &#91;talk] 06:05, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The street is part of a building's address/location, which I believe is a defining characteristic. One could reasonably "define" a building by its street address of "123 Something St". In most cases it would be reasonable for the lead sentence to say something like "Xxxxx is a building on Something St in Perth". It's not so obvious whether this applies to other structures, which typically would not have a street number or "street address" in the usual sense. Mitch Ames (talk) 08:40, 17 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, when you put it like that... but it would be good to see what other editors think, as you suggest below - Evad37 &#91;talk] 01:48, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Input from other editors would be helpful. There may be merit in raising this issue somewhere with more visibility and/or more interested watchers, such as WT:AURD. (I have no objections to the entire section being moved, to keep everything in one place.) Mitch Ames (talk) 08:41, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It seems we are close to agreement on most of the points, so perhaps rather than copying/moving the whole conversation, it would be better to come up with a clearer and more concise description of the problems and proposed solutions before we go off to another venue. I would suggest WT:WA, as this involve buildings and structures other than roads, and all of these eponymous road categories are within WA (except Category:Liverpool Street, Hobart, but that was created by SatuSuro)). WT:WA would also have more watchers/active participants than WT:AURD - Evad37 &#91;talk] 01:48, 18 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Summarized and continued at Buildings and structures by road in WA. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:18, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Tassie Road article quality
Hello, I noticed a while back you rated Kingston Bypass a C-Class. While I am more than happy with this evaluation, I am a little confused how said article can be rated C, while the Brighton Bypass is rated as a starter. Would you mind comparing the two articles and re-evaluating or explaining the reasons why the Brighton Bypass is not yet suitable to be C Class?

I would prefer a reply on my talkpage.

Kind Regards, Wiki ian 09:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Koo Wee Rup Bypass
Hello Evad37. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Koo Wee Rup Bypass, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''Redirect would do the job. I'll sort that. .''' Thank you. Ged UK  12:36, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
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 * Don't know... perhaps no Tasmanian roads were showing the system links before I made them show by default for freeways, highways, etc. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:37, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

road maps
In relation to the issues raised in relation to the Cooper Developmental Road and the Bullo Developmental Road, what sort of technology is available to try to produce the maps etc. For example, the Qld Globe KML file is available under CC-BY licensing at no cost and presumably contains every major road under the control of the Queensland Govt, but I'm not sure what tools are available to work with it to create maps and extract portions of it as KML files(I normally just use it within Google Earth to view the information). Apart from roads, I would be quite interested to produce maps of other things like local government boundaries and localities within LGA boundaries etc, so wouldn't mind learning how to do more along these lines. Thanks Kerry (talk) 21:44, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * QGIS is a free vector-editing program I use to create my maps. It can import KML files and other vector data such as SHP files – Geoscience Australia has a number of these files available under CC-BY at . The most useful ones I've found are under the Topographic Mapping section. OpenStreetMap.org is also available under a similar copy-left licence, and can be exported (for a smaller area) or downloaded (for larger areas). There's more info on how to create map images and other ways to create KML files at WikiProject U.S. Roads/Maps task force/Tutorial. If you want to create map images for roads, WP:AURD has some mapping standards, so that we can end up with similar maps from different editors. Anyway, hope this helps, and happy mapping! - Evad37 &#91;talk] 01:41, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * See also voy:Wikivoyage:How to draw a map for other map making processes and tips. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 11:10, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. I have downloaded some of the software but have yet to experiment with it (too many other things to do lately!). Kerry (talk) 06:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

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Great Eastern Highway is a 590 km road linking the Western Australian capital of Perth with the city of Kalgoorlie. A key route for vehicles accessing the eastern Wheatbelt and the Goldfields, it is the western portion of the main road link between Perth and the eastern states of Australia. The highway forms the majority of National Highway 94, with various segments included in other road routes. The highway was created in the 1930s from an existing system of roads linking Perth with the Goldfields, though the name was coined to describe a different route from Perth to Guildford (modern-day Guildford Road). The Belmont section was constructed in 1867 using convict labour, with the road base made from sections of tree trunks. Over the years the road has been upgraded, with the whole highway sealed by 1953, segments reconstructed and widened, dual carriageways created in Perth and Kalgoorlie, and grade separated interchanges built at major intersections. A number of bypasses have been constructed, including Great Eastern Highway Bypass in Perth, and a future route to replace Great Eastern Highway's current ascent of the Darling Scarp has been identified.

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I noticed that the "Email contact" field on the leaflet was not filled in. Please can you fill that in as soon as possible?

Thanks. Adikhajuria (talk) 19:46, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * We don't actually have a TAFI email address, so I've changed it to "n/a", per Cricket WikiProject and WikiProject Architecture. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 01:16, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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I cannot see other cities that have separate sub cats for their cbd features... maybe not on, but interested in the coding to make https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3ASt_Georges_Terrace&action=history the text into one line - whats the chance? satusuro 09:39, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅, use  in Cathead on road - Evad37 &#91;talk] 09:53, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, as always - I am also open to any further ideas re the wheatbelt project tag being as is and placed out in the teeritory - any thoughts? satusuro 09:58, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The wheatbelt banner is probably almost ready to go, except that it isn't using any tracking categories at all. Should it put everything that it tags into a "Wheatbelt Project article" category? - Evad37 &#91;talk] 10:19, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * As long as there are no logistic issues - no contraventions or ramifications for any other category trees or their structure - it sounds great if it can work as a sort of 'independent' grouping that simply identifies the subject as situated within the scope of the wheatbelt... satusuro 10:35, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've added the code for Category:Western Australian Wheatbelt Project articles to be the main category. As for the category tree, it can just be a subcat of Category:Western Australian Wheatbelt Project. If you're happy with that, I'll move the banner into template-space and you can start using it - Evad37 &#91;talk] 10:47, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks that would be fine. Any idea why - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Australian_maritime_history_articles_by_importance might be broke? any clues appreciated satusuro 09:39, 4 June 2014 (UTC):
 * There was a typo in Template:WikiProject Australia, now fixed . The categories should eventually fill up (maybe over a few weeks), or WP:NULL editing a talk page will immediately list that page in the category. (I'll move the Wheatbelt banner shortly.) - Evad37 &#91;talk] 09:58, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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Forrest Highway review
As requested, I've had a look at Forrest Highway. I've made a few edits, generally the revision comments explain why. There are also some issues raised on the talk page. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:30, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mitch, replies are on the talk page. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 14:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Perth Laneways
Have created a draft article - List of lanes and arcades in Perth. Wanted some feedback as to what categories I should include e.g. Category: Roads in Western Australia ? Given that it is not 'a' road but a list of lanes & roads. Also would like to use the City of Perth's map of the Laneways but its potentially subject to copyright, since its your area of expertise how do we go about preparing a non copyright version. Dan arndt (talk) 04:07, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * We have a category for lists, Category:Lists of roads in Western Australia. The City of Perth map would be copyrighted per, but OpenStreetMap can be used to create maps, per their licencing. KML files can be created for each laneway using Google Earth, per instructions on this page – or GeoGroup can be used, with a coord for each laneway midpoint (since laneways are short, they can probably reasonably be represented by a single point). - Evad37 &#91;talk] 05:21, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * thanks will add your suggested CAT. Is there an easy way to create the map - am a low tech sort of person.Dan arndt (talk) 10:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Here, I did it for you. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 13:00, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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THE Great_Eastern_Highway
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Wogan
Me thinks there is a red link in there to wogan hills - any chance it is meant to be wongan hills? satusuro 07:34, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep, typo fixed. Thanks for noticing - Evad37 &#91;talk] 07:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment at AWNB - it is close to head banging on the subject, when others insist the whole thing sounds too/so complicated. Your answer was good - thanks for that and cheers satusuro 10:52, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

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 * Does the above template look fine on your computer? The *Have your say in future selections seems to be shifted to the right for me. Regards, ///Euro Car  GT  19:37, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:15, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
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Here. ///Euro Car GT  02:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like the changes that Typography refresh made to font size and line spacing (which I override with custom CSS) is pushing that last line down beyond the picture box, so that line is centred with respect to the whole purple box, rather than with respect to the left edge of the purble box and the left edge of the picture box. If I make the image a bit bigger, it should fix it. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 03:02, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * Could you share the script so I could see if it will fixed this issue? ///Euro Car  GT  03:06, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
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Link
In the old coast road art - not sure how to link to the article about Leigh Edmonds - hope you can do - not sure how to tweak trove/cite bracket thingoes for a link to the article about him. satusuro 03:16, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
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Greetings Evad37 once again! I've assessed former TAFI article Stir frying using the new & updated template. Some things to note are there's no B6 field so that should be removed and lastly the "Post-improvement Class checklist" still lists the old class rather than the latest revised one. One recommendation is to put the "This article was improved from Stub-Class to C-Class" thing with the arrow towards the centre of the template. Best, ///Euro Car  GT  05:23, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Re B6: I'll have to look into how WP:MILHIST handle the B-checklist for their banner, or maybe just write some code myself (the banner currently uses the standard subtemplate WPBannerMeta/hooks/bchecklist).
 * Should be fixed now - Evad37 &#91;talk] 09:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Re Post checklist: If b1 to b5 are filled in and meet the B-class and C-class criteria, it *should* be overriding whatever value is in |newclass=. I'll have to investigate to find out what isn't working.
 * It should be working now (you may need to purge or refresh the talk page) - Evad37 &#91;talk] 07:20, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Re alignment: The usual convention for wikiproject banners is that the class-box is left-aligned (eg the China and Food&Drink banners below it on Talk:Stir frying). But it should be easy enough to change if there is consensus for it on WT:TAFI.
 * Re this diff: I changed the pre-assessment to start-class, because the pre-TAFI version of Stir Frying was definitely not B-Class... was that a typo/mistake, or do I explain the parameters better?
 * Thanks for your feedback - Evad37 &#91;talk] 07:14, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


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 * Hey Evad37! Have you attempted to fix the template? I spotted several problems which may fix the problem. Best, ///Euro Car  GT  03:59, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Um, what actually still needs fixing? I thought the issues were resolved... Though there might be some more discussion at Talk:Stir_frying, as I have reverted the removal of TAFI's B-class checklists. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 04:18, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The template still says 'B' class checklist in my screen, I have limited expertise in templates so not sure what you did fixed it or not. Best, ///Euro Car  GT  04:28, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * – what else would you expect it to say? - Evad37 &#91;talk] 05:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
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Forget it. Probably will need to purge the page to see the updates. Best, ///Euro Car  GT  05:35, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I purged the template to see the updates and it did work. Best, ///Euro Car  GT  15:27, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Glad it's working for you now - Evad37 &#91;talk] 00:21, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

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This is also a big deal as I've written to several other map contributor's in the past asking for help and never heard back - I'm sure you can understand, it feels like all my Christmases have come at once. Wiki ian 17:19, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Today's articles for improvement/Tabbed header
Hi Evad: I'm not sure it's necessary to include all of the shortcuts in the tabbed header. The shortcuts are usually just placed on the individual pages. I think the shortcuts clutter the tabs to the point that people may skip over them due to being rather complex to read. This isn't a criticism of your work, just how I perceive the tabs with the additions you made. NorthAmerica1000 03:11, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll self-revert for the moment, and we can discuss it at WT:TAFI - Evad37 &#91;talk] 03:19, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * All right, and thanks for your courtesy regarding this. NorthAmerica1000 03:21, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Dropping articles with low votes
I made a comment here but it might go unnoticed. I think if there are no objections by Saturday, we should start dropping noms with less than 4 points, and add that to the weekly blurb. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 03:28, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Junction table help request
Hi Evad, I've used the nspan attribute in the table on Spencer Highway and seem to have acquired an extra empty column on the spanned rows. Have I done something wrong, or discovered something that just doesn't quite work? Thanks in advance for having a look in. --Scott Davis Talk 10:25, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * If you have notes spanning multiple rows, then the notes have to be turned off from those subsequent rows using none - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:30, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining and fixing it up. --Scott Davis Talk 04:20, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Solar activity
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:17, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Animatronics
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:05, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Precious again
  Kwinana Freeway

Thank you for quality articles on Australian roads such as Kwinana Freeway, for helpful templates, for uplaoding maps and images, for creating articles with infoboxes from the start and, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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TAFI ClueBot III archiving
Just FYI, I added an Unapproved template to the WordPress.com entry at WP:TAFIN (after almost a month, and with two opposes and only one support, unlikely to be approved). So, this can be used as a test to ensure that entries are being properly archived. Also, once the bot automatically creates the year/month page, requesting that you please add a link to the September 2014–present section at Today's articles for improvement/Nominated articles/Archives. Since you appear to know the formatting for where the new page will be created, it will make it easier for everyone. From there, as new pages are created by the bot, they can be added to the nomination archive index page.

Also, thanks for all of your work at TAFI. I have worked to improve a significant number of articles on Wikipedia, and it's nice to have the TAFI project to actually collaborate with people that are interested in doing so. It's difficult to find places to collaborate on Wikipedia nowadays. NorthAmerica1000 16:51, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I also added the Unapproved template to Nirmala (novel) yesterday, which had been sitting there since June(!) because it was undated, so we should be seeing ClueBot III there soon. Once the bot starts archiving, it will create and a maintain an index which we can transclude into that section of our archive page – there should be no need for us to keep updating it. (Also, thanks for the thanks) - Evad37 &#91;talk] 00:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds great; let the bot perform the routine work. Also, thank you for thanking me for thanking you for the work you do! Cheers, NorthAmerica1000 03:39, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Redirects as in categories and projects
- feels like a red rag to myself a talk page tagger - surely some projects have identified redirect pages on their category/article lists? also surely there is a category? havent researched this, but it seems it needs more for insurance of belonging to something somehow - it looks very vulnerable as is. btw great work on the prison! satusuro 05:04, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, redirect will work for most projects, which I've just done with the banners now at Talk:Australind Bunbury Tourist Drive (I guess I missed creating the talk page when I created the redirect). And thanks for the praise for Fremantle Prison, but there's still much work to do to get it up to GA standards (hard to believe that this version used to be a good article – I guess the standards were looser back then) - Evad37 &#91;talk] 07:02, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 * thanks for the clue - i suspect that GA was in the early days quite low... looser than you can imagine - I would like to get Goldfield Water Supply article up in that territory, but wont do until i get 2 or 3 essential texts outta library... the detail is mind boggling complex.. satusuro 07:10, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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Archiving and Theos bot
Are the noms being archived by that other bot now that we have switched into the new structure/method? I haven't seen any movement. Also, Theo has returned from his great slumber, and he perhaps could update the code in his bot when he gets settled back in. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 15:46, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * ClueBot III is archiving e.g., , but marking noms ✅ / and updating the holding area have to be done manually. See also the reply I left on WT:TAFI re your potential bot request - Evad37 &#91;talk] 16:18, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

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 * I am sure you will find reality far more spooky than any friday night in Albany, for instance.... best of luck with the open house stuff, if you can remember or still have my phone number on sunday give me a call, I think I might come in for a few hours - if you are out and about... satusuro 23:51, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I managed to get to quite a few different buildings today, but I'll probably only be visiting 2 or 3 tomorrow morning as I have other commitments in the afternoon. Cheers, - Evad37 &#91;talk] 14:11, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Wheatbelt railway line article
This mornings west australian has the most accurate timeline i have seen to date - so am about to revert yours and mitchs edits to get back to what I had been trying to do last year - please contact me off or online before taking issue with my revert if that is at all possible satusuro 01:46, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It seems you've already self-reverted your revert by the time I've read this, but I don't mind if you want to restructure the article with additional info from other sources... (I seem to recall that last year there was a suggestion that this could be an overview article, with sub-articles to properly treat the sub-topics.) - Evad37 &#91;talk] 14:16, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * having greviously disrupted mitches talk page and life, we (mitch and I) have agreed to talk off wiki about how to go into the complexities... satusuro 23:23, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

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Discussing with our helpful editor
The comments made by Cloudz679 do have me a little bit concerned about that editors behaviour. Friendly reminders about doing the process correctly and such do not seem to have gotten through. I think I will make a more firm reminder on their talk page, and if that doesn't seem to get anywhere, then just ask if they refrain from scheduling the voting. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 23:05, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I think maybe just ask them to refrain from setting up votes, as a show of good-faith on their part – especially while you atre willing and able to do it correctly. Perhaps also a reminder that misusing multiple accounts/IPs could lead to blocking and banning (if the concerning behaviour continues, we might end up at WP:SPI or WP:ANI). - Evad37 &#91;talk] 03:11, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

a hook for a dyk
Garratt Road Bridge was the last timber bridge to be built over the Swan River, in Perth, Western Australia.

any thoughts? satusuro 02:35, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hook seems good (assuming you have a WP:RS), but definitely needs to be started in a user sandbox so the article can be in a reasonable enough shape for a DYK nomination as a new article (in mainspace for less than 7 days). I'll have a look for sources myself over the next day or so and see what I can put together at User:Evad37/Garratt Road Bridge - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:53, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * [] - I dont like the use of the word 'probably' in the summary of the library cataglogue entry, there are also bridges no longer existent - the original freo rail bridge(s) of which i have a very large amount of info on, and the belmont racecourse railway bridge which i have very little satusuro 02:58, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It is state heritage listed, so we may even have enough for a article as good as Clackline Bridge. Also, another possible hook: "Garratt Road Bridge is ... the longest extant timber bridge in Western Australia"
 * excellent - will try to keep up with you are your user page  satusuro 03:36, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * tis very close - if you want more detail on any part can get uploaded in less than half a day if need be. satusuro 02:56, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Garratt Road Bridge created! I'll let you nominate the DYK hook, since it was your idea - Evad37 &#91;talk] 10:24, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No, please will you do it - make sure you get in soon - I'll explain some meetup sometime late - please - you do it satusuro 14:08, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

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template request
Hi Evad, I've been looking at Indigenous Australians which has the template infobox ethnic groups the template has a section that doest fit the purpose for which its being used I was wondering if you could create a new template to replace that section, hopefully it can be nested within or made stand alone. The section I'm talking about is labeled "Regions with significant populations" where as its just list populations by state. I'd like to be able to do both state populations inc a % of total population and a regional/family breakdown ie WA population & Noongar population do think you could help? Gnangarra 03:16, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that's do-able using Infobox3cols, but I just want to be sure I know what you're after before I start coding. For the percent column, I think it would be something like

... |region1 = New South Wales |pop1 = 208476 |total1 = 7500600 |region2 = Queensland |pop2 = 188954 |total2 = 4708500 ... rendering as something like

– Which could be used as either an embeddable box, or a stand-alone box?

As for regional/family breakdown, would that just require additional rows, so that if Western Australia, then • Noongar (plus appropriate numbers in the related parameters) which could look something like

Or if you have something else in mind, can you show me with a wikitable? - Evad37 &#91;talk] 06:15, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry was looking at ABS data apparently they dont ask for indigenous by country so we have more information available on people from Norway than Noongar people. but if you could do a template for the state stats for now giving %total population that would be great.. I'll need to sort the data being used as whats in the article is from different years before breaking it down to "country" which is more complexe because ABS doesnt use the same boundaries Gnangarra 09:27, 24 December 2014 (UTC)


 * User:Evad37/Template:Regions with significant populations seems to be working; see below for examples (made up total populations) embedding in an infobox, and further down as a stand-alone box. Any notes or requests before I move it to template space? - Evad37 &#91;talk] 11:51, 24 December 2014 (UTC)


 * One small problem - Northern Territory shows in the coding, but not in view...  satusuro 13:17, 24 December 2014 (UTC)


 * what sats says plus the titling of Regions with significant populations as its distribution by state not actual regions/countries, which is the next section to be added once I find comprehensive reliable source for the break down of populations by indigenous regional/countries Gnangarra 13:30, 24 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Fixed the NT issue, and now distribution by XYZ can be set using distribution. The fix for infobox ethnic group is a little bit hacky, but we should be able to fix that easily enough - Evad37 &#91;talk] 14:03, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * , a saner way to embed the new box, pop_embed, now available - Evad37 &#91;talk]
 * Thanks you I have updated the info box in the article if you want to move the template from user space to template space go for it Gnangarra 14:38, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Garratt Road Bridge
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:01, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * See above - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:20, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * have a safe new year satusuro 05:04, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for this article. I love seeing WA-related items popping up in DYK from time to time. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 05:22, 30 December 2014 (UTC)