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 * Thankyou. I have no conflict of interest. The "Draft: Dorothy Hewett" is there for proofreading, but is so far without comment or suggestion. A great deal of work has gone into it, far more than the original version whch is little more than a stub and often inaccurate.
 * I have proceeded through the tutorial and have made changes to various other entries, which seem to have been accepted..
 * After several weeks I am still waiting for Commons to approve the out-of-copyright photos. The Dorothy Hewett entry needs to be progressed and I will substitute other approved images for now. Another editor has already put one my photos into the original, though it is in the wrong place.
 * In the circumstances I will begin to merge the new draft, with indications as to why the original has been changed. Evadeluge (talk) 01:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You and have declared that you are working together on Dorothy Hewett stated to be Joe's mother. This, broadly construed, is a WP:COI for you, and a definite one for him.
 * If I am pedantic, since you have started using this account while Marillajoe, the account you shared control of, remains blocked, and since you used that account, this account usage could be said to be block evasion. I have chosen not to consider it so. Block evasion is a thing likely to lead to indefinite blockage of editing privileges.
 * Now, let me ask you simply to abide by the rules. They apply to all of us, me, you, Joe, and they apply equally. They apply to every editor here whether IP only, named editor, or one of any number of styles of functionary. They apply to our founder in exactly the same way.
 * Let me ask you further to cease making accusations, and to desist from insults "The dreadful Timtrent" is one such. You must remain civil. Read WP:CIVIL. You must Assume Good Faith. Read WP:AGF. I have done so over your account usage because I felt that, though unwise, you were editing in good faith. Good faith is eroded when one receives insults.
 * Either one of you or each of you have said you wish to log a complaint against me. You must each do what you must do. Please file that compliant civilly if that is what you choose to do. Be aware that complaints, once filed, are investigated, and that all behaviours exhibited are investigated. Buy "all" I mean yours, his, mine and others involved. The outcome is determined by consensus. I have no concerns with your making a complaint. Please interpret nothing here as my seeking to discourage you. I am simply advising you to use good judgement. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:31, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Timtrent, you are being deliberately obtuse. As usual. Can you please just back off and let us all get on with this without unpleasantness.
 * I have stated quite clearly here and elsewhere that Dr Flood is no longer working on this particular entry, but on other entries and academic work. This is a good idea, because I am expert on biography and have no conflict of interest.
 * He continues however to take responsibility for his large database of old images covering many subjects. This is done through the original account %marillajoe. We have established despite your belief to the contrary that this account may be used for establishing a database of images on Commons, but not for editing on wikipedia where it is blocked.
 * Unfortunately you keep blocking his images, sometimes for no good reason at all, whereas you do not block my images. This can be construed as hounding. It is unsurprising he is unwilling to reveal his new account.
 * Please stop hounding him and do not block images unless you have a legitimate reason to do so. Evadeluge (talk) 03:45, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I have no idea who Dr Flood is.
 * I am hounding no-one. I work here and on Wikimedia Commons, completely according to the rules. If you wish to make a formal complaint please do so.
 * I also learned something about Commons, but that is the business of Commons, not of Wikipedia. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: This Old Man Comes Rolling Home (April 15)
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 * I've just noticed the problem - it appears that you wrote this in your sandbox then did a copy-paste move but you copied as read (hence the section [edit]s) instead of copying the source with the actual citations. Regards KylieTastic (talk) 11:01, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Kylie, my bad. I've instead uploaded the source, which now gives the references, and added a Box in line with other plays I can see. All seems to work now.
 * I'm not too sure about the categories. I'm planning to make a lot more submissions on Women Authors, including four or five more plays by Hewett, so I thought they should be categories. Tyvm for your assistance. Evadeluge (talk) 13:49, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

g'day
So I have tried offline first - sent an email, as for the whole articles for creation process, they are well intentioned, but you will find things that might be nuanced problematically. There are quite a lot of suggestions that i would make if you are a 'new user', but short of revealing connections with the subject, I will wait and see. If it (discussion etc) remains on wiki - the character list in the draft is well beyond what WP:NOT and WP:ABOUT try to deal with - who said so? The presumption on the writer of wikipedia articles is that bulky sections of assertions as such are in actual fact verifiable with Wp:CITE and WP:RS - as it stands it is WP:OR. JarrahTree 02:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

time stamps and bottom of page thing
The statistical chance that there is any cognisance of the issue or the context understood is very low...


 * I've asked the author of the new hoax note to provide a reference that can be checked.--Perry Middlemiss (talk) 8:02 am, 21 March 2009, Saturday (13 years, 29 days ago) (UTC+9)


 * There are a number of hoaxes or cases of mistaken ethnic identity that need to be included - Ern Malley, Demidenko, Colin Johnson. Needs a section Evadeluge (talk) 9:41 am, Today (UTC+8)

actually needs a separate article

- the actual number of people 'watching' and keeping up with things can be very low JarrahTree 02:47, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

draft/references
Another thing non australian editors havent a clue about is Trove - https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/34377456?keyword=hewett%20this%20old%20man - what that might have can be useful

What is very useful (but also at times very frustrating...) is the purpose built wikipedia citation

as I have put into your draft - but it doesnt date the access, and offers only the isbn....

there might be a preference that you have for the style - but remember WP:MOS usually

has a good guideline if you ever flummoxed by wikipedia idiosyncracies

linking new fortune theatre - directly to the uwa article is a problem - no one has got around to have a reasonable history of the octagon/new fortune/dolphin theatres - although a better link might be University_of_Western_Australia the text smells like PR spirit... JarrahTree 03:09, 16 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi Jarrahtree, you really know your stuff, especially WA, who else knows the Dolphin? It's a pleasure to meet you. Excellent.
 * I'll take a look at shortening according to what you suggest. As a first grab at Cast Ive  modified the layout used on a few plays like "Death of a salesman" and "Don's Party"
 * The problems you mention are wider, and Ive just made a new section at "Australian literature" proposing a reorganisation. I'd welcome some input there before I get rolling.
 * Trove is a bit tricky to reference, you will see places on the "Dorothy Hewett" article where I have used Trove but not linked. I'll try what you say.
 * Wrt reference style - Ive universally used the purpose built citation gizmo so presumed they are automatically OK.
 * Cheers Evadeluge (talk) 05:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I think after coming into all this back to front ( having been off wiki for periods of time.. )

and see the shenanigans around earlier things, and glad I wasnt around - one has to abide WP:AGF and its related entourage, I would have probably burst a boiler over some of the things there... JarrahTree 07:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

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 * Thankyou very much. That is a great result after so much work and a rough start. I'll look forward to doing many more! Evadeluge (talk) 13:51, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Ways to improve Bobbin Up
Hello, Evadeluge,

Thank you for creating Bobbin Up.

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

"Thanks for the article! I've marked as this as reviewed. However, there are a couple of issues. Firstly, upon reviewing quickly, I saw numerous grammatical issues I corrected, so I've added a copy edit tag. Secondly, I've seen the talk page message and concur that writing a synopsis for a collection of short stories is difficult. However, please have a look at Manual of Style/Writing about fiction- as the guideline is 400-700 words, the current version, at 1300 words, is unfortunately overlong. Third, please also have a look at Manual of Style/Lead section- unfortunately, the current lead section fails to summarise the background and history or criticism sections. Also, I'm not too fond of the block quotes in the criticism section, have a look at Copyediting reception sections; it is an essay, but generally, block quotes in reception sections need to be reworded/paraphrased. Still, thanks for the article and well done!"

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 VickKiang  (talk)  08:51, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi VickKiang I managed to cut it back from 2000 to 1400, would have to adopt a new structure to go much lower.

This business about 400-700 words seem to be more honoured on the breach. Take a look at Faulkner's "Sanctuary", (1500 words) Ulysses (2000 words) War and Peace (3000 words). Maybe I will put a sticker on those!

Ill give it some thought

Evadeluge (talk) 13:37, 2 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Ive taken a further look - the '400-700 word' synopsis limit seems to be a bit of a joke. To get around it, some have separated out a list of the characters and their action, which is actually longer than the synopsis. Others have included a separate 'Chapter' section and done the same. What's in a name?
 * I've gone for the latter solution. The trouble is if you do this - not much is left in this book. Evadeluge (talk) 04:46, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

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