User talk:Evlekis/Archive1

 🇲🇰 Macedonia - 'This is extra long as I never got the hang of archives until late. Please do not modify; you may start from fresh on my current talk page.'

Гласај (vote)
Во тек е гласање во врска со статијата за Република Македонија. Можеш да гласаш овде. Поздрав --Dipazi 00:15, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Kyustendil

 * 1) The Macedonian name is largely irrelevant — no part of the population of Kyustendil describes itself as Macedonian, and the town has no greater historical connection to the Republic of Macedonia than any other town in western Bulgaria as far as I know.
 * 2) I have good knowledge of the writing and transliteration systems of Macedonian, and "Ќустендил" is not your own (i.e. distinct) name, but simply the way the name is transcribed in the Macedonian Cyrillic orthography.
 * 3) Kyustendil is not even part of the wider Macedonian region, not that it would be a reason to add "Macedonian names" to Bulgarian towns in the region. Just like you don't see the Bulgarian variant in the Skopje (Скопие) or Bitola (Битоля) articles. But it would be fully OK if you added "Ќустендил" to the Names of European cities in different languages article.

These are my reasons. As for the "rv vandalism" explanation, I was referring to the edit made by User:88.80.110.20 which replaced "Bulgarian" with "Serbian". You've got me wrong, but it's my fault because I didn't say specifically what is the actual vandalism while I reverted you too with a single edit.

You seem to know quite a lot about transliteration systems. There has been a debate at the Macedonian Wikipedians' notice board over what transliteration to use as a standard (currently the names of Macedonia-related articles are a total mess). You should probably join the discussion and make some suggestions! Todor→Bozhinov 15:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about the tone, it was absolutely OK — given the situation, you were right to ask for an explanation. And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't actually mind having the name in Macedonian Cyrillic on the page, but I simply don't think it's that important to have it there. Indeed, Kyustendil is quite close to Gyueshevo-Deve Bair, but mean proximity is generally not enough. Anyway, we seem to have settled it :) By the way, don't hesitate to ask if you need any assistance, help, or you don't understand a particular action of mine. I'm always willing to help or explain! Todor→Bozhinov 20:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Thunder and Lightning
Thanks for the edits you did on the Thunder and Lightning page - keep up the good work! Bretonbanquet 18:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The edits you made are fine - I never noticed the Wharton thing! It was a bit confusing at the time if I recall, since his picture wasn't on the sleeve.  Wharton was quite upset about that at the time.  Bretonbanquet 00:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Croatia and Hungary
Pazi, Hrvatska je pre 800 godina ušla u politički savez sa Ugarskom, tako što su Hrvati Ugarskog kralja izabrali za ktalja Hrvatske. Od tada, pa sve do 1918, Hrvatska je postojala kao politička teritorija i Ugarska je upravo preko te Hrvatske imala izlaz na more. Dakle, pogrešno je reći da je to sada Hrvatska a da pre nije bila. PANONIAN  (talk)  13:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * A što se tiče Dalmatinske obale, Dalmacija nije pripadala Ugarskom već Austrijskom delu Monarhije, tako da je jedini izlaz Ugarske na more bio taj preko Hrvatske. PANONIAN   (talk)  13:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Yugoslavia
Hi, when adding "Yugoslavia" to birth place of a person, please be speciffic. There are 5 Yugoslavias: Just to evade confusion... Thanks! --Dijxtra 14:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Kingdom of Yugoslavia (1918 - 1941)
 * 2) Democratic Federal Yugoslavia (1943 - 1946)
 * 3) Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia (1946 - 1963)
 * 4) Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (1963 - 1992)
 * 5) Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (1992 - 2003)


 * Good point! So, from 1918 till 1929 is Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, and from 1929 to 1941 it is Kingdom of Yugoslavia. --Dijxtra 16:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Osogovo
It's really a minor thing, but it's spelt with a capital П in Macedonian and a small п in Bulgarian, so we have to reflect that. I think it's OK as it is now, but I wouldn't mind changing it ;) Todor→Bozhinov 11:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Kyustendil was a bit of a different case IMO: here we have a mountain that's on both sides of the border, so we should have both names.
 * I can imagine how funny Bulgarian possibly sounds to Macedonians, because Macedonian sounds really funny to me :) Very much like Shop. Todor→Bozhinov 16:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Country of Birth
You misunderstood me a bit....I was talking about the modern era of Yugoslavia, aka Yugo after 1945, when the borders were drawn up to today's present borders....yeah, I agree, it helps to know the time period which they were born in, but to me it is very misleading.....especially since Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore, just like the Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore, yet go to pages of Russians who were born in the Soviet Union, ie Irina Slutskaya, Ilia Kulik, Maria Butyrskaya, Sergei Voronov, all their countries of birth is listed only as Russian, I see no Soviet Union there. And even Wales, which is part of the United Kingdom/Great Britain today has people listed with their country of birth as Wales....people like Catherine Zeta Jones, Rhys Ifans, Michael Sheen. If it absolutely needs to be added, on the Croatian, Bosnian and Herzegovinian, Slovenian, Serbian, etc pages should not list something like Sarajevo, Yugoslavia, it should be something like Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina (then Yugoslavia). Because Bosnia still existed then, but under Yugoslavia, and it exists now. I think that sounds best. --128.195.70.96 02:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Marco Polo
Thanks for your contribution to Marco Polo discussion.

Take Care Evergreen Montenegro1 03:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Where?
Even now, the user will occasionally visit certain cafés in London which entertain people from the Balkans; and to these same venues, musical acts from the former Yugoslav republics will perform every so often. :) - Francis Tyers · 17:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. I think I may have inadvertently gone to the Greek place in Bayswater before. But I didn't know they did ex-YU nights. - Francis Tyers · 17:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Krashovani
No problem. And, btw: thanks for being such a careful and neutral editor. Wikipedia needs more editors such as yourself. Dahn 13:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Mulţumesc! I'm far from perfect I accept; I have let myself go a few times over silly issues!! Evlekis 13:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

KYTV
Hi again. Just thought you might be interested to see this: Articles for Deletion - Big Fight Special Your comments would be appreciated... Thanks! JamminBen 04:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yasou Evlekis
I am not an admin, any simple user can welcome. However, even if I were, I am not sure I could follow this content dispute, since I can't read the source cited. I am more than willing to help, but I don't know how. I could introduce you to several admins if you wish (not that it would make any difference), but I am sure they'd have the same problem. I suggest you find some English source so that everybody can follow, and from then on, you'll have full support. You may also wish to translate parts of the included source in the articles talk page, so as to back up your claim. Please let me know. NikoSilver 12:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ummm, not sure I understand what you thought. I assume you thought that the article was appearing in some Slavic language in my screen, but that's not the case. I was talking about the articles' source down in the bottom. See this external link which appears in Seka Aleksić. That's the one I can't understand! As for admins, believe me, I wouldn't involve anybody, as this is a content dispute (not a behavior issue -at least yet). Normal editors (like me) can help you as well, provided that they understand that your edit is WP:CITEd by a reliable source. If you insist, try a Serbian very WP:NPOV admin that I happen to know. His name is Duja. NikoSilver 16:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Seka Aleksić
Haha tačno brate, DJ Bungi nema pojma... Odakle si? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nexm0d (talk • contribs).

Regarding the RFCU
I'm sorry that I dragged you in to that ugly issue; guess I had better kept my mouth shut. I noticed that scope of your edits, your interests, and your apparent location in London to an extent correlate with Celtmist's and Ragusan's (which were obviously not vandals, but they had an odd overlap because they allegedly used the same computer). I was just curious whether you might have to do something with that, but, since I hold a fairly high opinion of your edits, it would have been wiser to keep my (speculative, anyway) observations for myself; I certainly don't want you blocked.

Since none of checkuser admins bothered to respond to the issue or to Pax's and my requests for clarification, and Ragusan/Celtmist didn't protest the block, the case apparently rests for good. Once again, I apologize for any inconvenience that might arise. (You can e-mail me if something ugly happens).

Btw, I recommend that you "enable e-mail" in your preferences, instead of leaving the e-mail address publicly — spam scanners etc. Duja ► 08:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Your userpage
Hi, about the Albanian translation of your name, it's my experience that most names ending in "-is" in Greek end in "-i" in Albanian, so I think it would sound more natural to change it to Evlëki, Evlëqi, Evleki or Evleqi. -i is a common name ending in Albanian because it is the definite article. Also, if you're interested, in Japanese, it would be エフレキス ef u rekis u  (the crossed out u's [ u ] are written but not fully pronounced). Unfortunately, Japanese have no "v" or "l" making them render our names correctly difficult ;-) Regards, //Dirak 22:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Cyrillic
evlekis you are wrong, I understand it since you never have lived in Kosovo, but say what you have heard from Serbian nationalists. In front of me I have a "isvod" issued in Kosovo in 1982, and I can not see any cyrrillic in it. The headline "Nga libri amzë i të lindurve(albanian)- Iz maticne knjige rodenih (serbian)".

More facts: ICG in 1998 : Beginning in 1991, Kosovars faced massive linguistic discrimination. Here is how Kosovar journalist Behlull Beqaj describes this process:

"The law on the official use of the language and names (27 July 1991) practically cancels the use of language, although the Albanians in Kosovo account for 90 percent of the population. Resolutions concerning names of streets, boulevards, schools and other social and cultural institutions have the same intent. Based upon these resolutions, the former names were changed and the new names from the history, culture and mythology of the Serbs were introduced. All the names of the streets, boulevards, cultural institutions, health institutions, schools and other institutions are officially written in the Serb language and the Cyrillic alphabet."

Wikipedia: Whilst Serbo-Croat was widely accepted (before the Yugoslav Wars), the Cyrillic alphabet was used predominantly in central Serbia and in Montenegro (until the late 1990s).

Therefore Serbian Cyrillic should not be used on Albanian names.


 * I am not saying that Serbian was not official in Kosovo, but I am saying that the cyrillic letters were not used officially in Kosovo, maybe because Albanians could not read cyrillic. Besides Merry Christmas, even though you celebrate Christmas in January. --Noah30 17:36, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Re:Croats of Slovenia
Well, there's no short answer to that. As far as I know, a good deal of these Croats fled further inland during the Ottoman invasions and kept their identity (which wasn't very difficult, since there was no organized Slovenia, thus there would have been little encouragement to assimilate). Now, as to the idea about ethnic locals, it's possible, but unlikely as far as I can tell. While I've read of studies that say about a third of Slovenes may be originally Croats, I have never really felt like there's been a great deal of support for their "Croatian-ness" as a whole. I believe Starcević referred to them as Alpine Croats at some point, but other than writings I'm not aware of any great desire to realistically incorporate today's Slovenia into Croatia (compared to other regions).

Another problem is that both Yugoslavia's brought changes in population. For example, native Croats may have fled Slovenia (after World War II?), while Croats from other republics may have migrated there for work. All this is rather speculative though, as I don't know very much on the subject. Good luck with your search :P --Thewanderer 16:26, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Mig11
Hi Evlekis, I read your comments on Mig11's talk page. I am thinking on filing a request for comment on this user's behaviour. It is certainly disruptive, most of her edits are just about removing spellings or diacritics. REgards, Asterion talk 13:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Yakoruda
Oh well, I was actually planning to write the article myself somewhen :) Thanks for starting it &mdash; you can count on me on expansion, template addition, categories, etc.

By the way, I noticed you had moved Iskar to Iskăr and I moved it back &mdash; indeed, using diacritics is the only way to correctly transliterate Bulgarian (because of the "ъ" and its lack in standard Latin), but the official system we use here uses "a" for both "а" and "ъ". I know it can be confusing and misleading, but that's what we've got, and we have to stick to it :) Personally, I like the diacritic system (ž, š, č, ǎ) most, but I only use it when it's important to have the correct pronunciation marked in English. Todor→Bozhinov 19:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I added some data to Gradina, you can always use the Bulgarian Wikipedia when you need statistical info about any place in the country, because it has automatically generated stubs on every village :) Todor→Bozhinov 11:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:MoS
See, the nationality has to be in there per Wiki guidelines, which makes sense since it would be very confusing for uninformed readers. He definitely considered himself Turkish Armenian, on a side note :) Cheers! Baristarim 17:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank You
Yeah, I noticed I was getting close to breaking that rule, and plus I have to go to sleep soon for work tomorrow. Still, you'd think I'd get a faster response from admins when it's such an obvious case of sockpuppetry from User:Hahahihihoho. Thanks again! &mdash; King Ivan  12:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Muslims in Greece
Γεια σου Ευλεκή, what are you doing, your edit comment made no sense? All I did was change the transliterations, you had transliterated μειονότη"τα" as meionóti"ka" and you used the Bulgarian "ă" with "y" while that is not proper (you either use "ă" and "j" or "a" and "y", see ). The reason I am insisting on using lower case letters in some words is that is how they are officially written by the Greek government, read relevant the external links. You also deleted an unrelated external link I added. I hope this is a misunderstanding. User:LieutenantBoom


 * Hi again, I know transliterations can be a mess. More so in Greek because you cannot de-transliterate a text if you don't know the language. Furthermore, Greek has no official transliteration system, for example you'll see (in an official context) the letter χ randomly transliterated as "h" or "ch" (sometimes even "kh"). Bulgarian has an official system which has the defect of not distinguishing between а and ъ (both are transliterated as "a", see the link above). User:LieutenantBoom


 * Ја не знам бугарски језик али разумем мало а пробам да учим српски јер подносим традиционално српско-грчко другарство. User:LieutenantBoom


 * Ποια είναι η άποψή σου για την ανεξαρτησία του Μαυροβουνίου και του Κοσόβου; Διορθώνεις παρακαλώ και τα λάθη μου στα σερβικά, κάνω πολλά! User:LieutenantBoom


 * I was asking for your opinion on independence for Montenegro (accomplished) and Kosovo (application pending) together with a request that you point out any errors I make in Serbian. Tell me as well, what do you consider yourself, an ethnic Macedonian, Serb, Englishman, Briton or something else? User:LieutenantBoom


 * Also, when you are addressing people with Greek names ending in -s, you drop the -s (e.g. Evlekis > Evleki [like in my first message in this section] or Ilias > Ilia), there are a few exceptions to this (which change it to -e or don't change it at all) but they are not many. Consider it like the gospodin > gospodine of Serbian. User:LieutenantBoom

Please use the + tab when starting a new conversation on talk pages. Thanks.

 * [[Image:Plus Tab Sample.PNG|Please use this tab to start new talk page conversations.]]

As you may know, when you add new sections to talk pages like you did to create User talk:LieutenantBoom, it would help if you used the + tab rather than simply editing the last conversation. When I saw you posted in User talk:LieutenantBoom, I thought you were replying to me.

Technically, you provided no section header at all. I added "Looks like a seperate conversation after here" for you. Before I did that, my post simply ran into yours. That made both hard to read. If in the future you use the + tab, everyone will thank you. Will (Talk - contribs) 23:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Lake Ladoga
Hi, the transliteration "Ladozhskoye Ozero" is correct because the Russian "e" is translitarated as "ye" after vowels, and "e" after consonants (according to the policy adopted in Wikipedia; in fact, other conventions exist as well). For further details, you may have a look at WP:RUS. Thanks, Goudzovski 10:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

Tidying up
Hello Evlekis, thanks for the effort of tidying up at the Milan Lukić article. Unfortunately the article itself is substantially wrong in its present form - Lukic hasn't been sentenced, he's only been indicted. I was going to make a fairly large-scale change which I'd given advance warning of on the Discussion page and planned to implement on 20 January, except I've been too busy. I hope to return to it over the weekend. perhaps if you've got any comments on the new content you'd like to add them, so that I can incorporate any changes you think would be useful. --Opbeith 13:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Milan Lukić
Evlekis, I've made the changes to the Milan Lukic article, plus information extracted from the ICTY, Amnesty International and articles by Ed Vulliamy and Nerma Jelacic. I was pretty tired when I did it, so I'm sure there's plenty that can be improved if you feel like it. I see that you're a diacritic mechanic, I've left lots of scope for intervention there.

Sorry, I tried to put this on your User page by mistake, not awake this morning either. So if it looks as if someone's been messing around there that's why. --Opbeith 09:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Big disagreement about the User page - it's not a "load of junk", it's a lot more interesting than most! And you had the energy to do it, which is more than me.


 * My knowledge of Lukic is (fortunately) all indirect. I got involved with the article when HanzoHattori quoted the "sentenced" text somewhere else (can't remember where, may have been Visegrad Massacre, I've had a bad month, can't even remember where I put my cup of tea).  I knew he'd done a bunk to Latin America and only recently been brought back to the Hague, so hadn't been tried, let alone sentenced.  I tried to put together some more extensive source-based info but hopefully someone with more direct knowledge of Lukic's activities will turn up and provide a better informed reworking of the text.


 * I'm aware of the importance of diacritics in Roman character B/C/S but I haven't got any instinctive feel for them and in any case can't handle the typing - I just cut and paste a character or word, which is a pain. Any remediation work you can manage I'd be grateful.  --Opbeith 14:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and do what you like, that's what Wikipedia is about. The material is taken from the ICTY, Amnesty, Guardian etc. This is about Milan Lukic and his actions. I'm sure you can fill in all the reasons why a family man and pillar of the community behaved as he did. --Opbeith 08:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Your comments on Talk:Racak
As a matter of fact I have been to northern Kosovo and talked to Serbs. Have you? I have also talked to many ex-UCK, although I must admit I have never slapped any of them in the face. Have you? My knowledge comes mostly from first hand experience, which I gain by living in Kosova - I then use WP:RELIABLE SOURCES to back up my changes to this encyclopedia. You can whine all you want about media bias, but as far as wikipedia and its rules are concerned, unless you can back up your claims with supporting evidence, we don't have to listen to you. And no, not all sources are equal. As for the so-called 'massacre' at Klecka, I'm happy to discuss it if you can bring any evidence, but if you'll read my posts in the Racak article, I think you'll see that your ridiculous theories have already been pretty conclusively debunked. However if you've got something new, please let us all know. Anything we can do to make the truth known is worthwhile, just be aware that unsupported nonsense will not be regarded with equal weight as verifiable proof. Davu.leon 20:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Не мора да значи, има и доста западњака који тако мисле и говоре, па говоре и "Косова" Србима у инат :) Nikola 10:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

You never answered my question. Have you ever been to Kosova? As for your special secret knowledge which is sure to be 'checkmate', bring it on. If you've got something that can change my mind I want to hear it. Oh, and Nikola, I'm afraid I don't speak Serbian. Pa govorye i Kosova Serbima u inat means nothing to me. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to offer a translation? Davu.leon 12:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Nice try but no cigar. I'm Irish. And I'm not a peacekeeper, I'm a filmmaker. Davu.leon 19:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

And by the way, what are your 3 reasons? Davu.leon 19:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Cyrillic II
You are wrong about Cyrillic in Kosovo. Cyrillic is not used in Kosovo and was not used until 1995, when Milosevic made Cyrillic a part of his nationalistic agenda. Give me an email address and I will try to send to you parts of my "isvod" issued before 1990 and you will understand what I am saying. Besides I googled her and no Serbian website mentioned her anywhere. --Noah30 08:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Communists supressed Cyrillic in entire Yugoslavia, and izvods issued even in Belgrade would be in Latin too. Prior to that however, Cyrillis was used in Kosovo. By the way, in some places at one point of time Cyrillic was used to write Albanian. Nikola 10:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I am happy with your solution so far. Have a nice week and I am glad we found a solution --Noah30 20:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Bulgarians
Hi! If you're talking about the Croats infobox, I see only links to countries there. The Croats template has links like Croats of Slovenia and Croats of Slovakia, but we also have Bulgarians with similar links (however not red ones &mdash; when I write a new relevant article, I would add it to the template).

Perhaps you mean writing a short summary section about the Bulgarians abroad in the Bulgarians article? That would be quite useful, although "Population" currently serves that function too, at least to some extent. Anyway, I wouldn't object to anything you do with the article, just be bold and don't hesitate to improve the article as much as you can! :) Todor→Bozhinov 21:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and by the way, you can feel totally assured that your nickname is written Евлекис in Bulgarian too :) Also, not sure but perhaps in Polish it would be Ewlekis? Todor→Bozhinov 21:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, it seems like a good idea to have some more info about Bulgarians in each country, if not a separate article about the more prominent Bulgarian communities. The links I was talking about are these in Bulgarians: Western Outlands, Banat Bulgarians, Bessarbian Bulgarians, Bulgarian Americans and Bulgarians in Hungary; these are all articles of that kind that we have for the time being. Todor→Bozhinov 08:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

From Austria-Hungary to the first Yugoslav Kingdom
So much text to read... :-) I got no idea how to classify place of birth, in book on People's Hero of Yugoslavia they only named existing republics without reference to country to which it belonged at the time. I guess history is written by winners so A-H ended in 1918, Versailles was only technicality since new borders were mostly drawn by then, NDH was never recognized outside Axis bloc etc. --Ivan Bajlo 14:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Translation
Hello again. The tanslation was from the following page:. I think the gist of it is: Nephew of the late Berisha confirmed to "Vijesti" that his uncle was supposed to witness against Haradinaj. Kujtim never complained because of the Hague. The young man confirmed to Vijesti that his uncle was a witness in the case of Haradinaj, but he also stated that Berisha never complained that he had any problems because of that. They were hit with "Mercedes 190" driven by Aleksandar Ristovic (26) who is charged by the Police for serious endangering of security in traffic. Ristovic will remain under custody for 30 days as determined by Judge Dujovic from Podgorica Court of Appeals. A source from Police told us that during the investigation, it has been confirmed that at the moment of accident Ristovic was drunk – driving at a very high speed. Ristovic tried to defend himself by saying that he lost control over the vehicle as a result of lights from the other direction that blinded him. However it would be good to have an independent translation, just in the interest of fairness. Davu.leon 16:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

"Latinic"
What is your objection to the redirect? Is it merely procedural? If you want to discuss this, let's discuss it. Why do you object?--Methodius 20:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem. :) --Methodius 09:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think anyone else minds. I'll change it back now...--Methodius 19:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Eurovision
Faddy is of Scotish origin —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CrnaGora (talk • contribs) 19:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC).


 * The man was born in Kotor in Montenegro and was raised in Montenegro. It says it on that external link I gave you. --CG 19:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Scotsman
I got the info from CrnaGora, who says it's from his own website. --PaxEquilibrium 19:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Rusinski (Rysin language)
Odakle ti podatak da se rusinski jezik u Vojvodini piše i latinicom? Koliko ja znam, oni pišu isključivo ćirilicom. PANONIAN  (talk)  17:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Piši na kom jeziku želiš, a pošto ja mnogo brže sastavljam rečenice na srpskom nego na engleskom (a nemam baš preterano vremena na bacanje), ja ću pisati kao i dosad. Što se tiče transliteracije rusinskog na latinicu, ja nikad nisam video rusinski tekst na latinici. Da li si ti siguran da rusinska transliteracija postoji, i ako postoji, da li si ti u članku koristio slova baš iz te rusinske transliteracije ili iz srpske latinice?  PANONIAN   (talk)  22:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Dado Pršo
nema problema brate, ti samo uživaj. Balkantropolis 05:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Što da radim! Kasno je bilo sinoć i odlazio sam. Izvini! Balkantropolis 10:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I wonder if there is a coincidence that you mentioned a specific range of IP addresses, and this. Exactly same change, but note the address begins with 195.29.*.*.  Fun, huh?  Anyway, I've got it watchlisted also.  That is possibly the best I think you can ask for, that other people watch also.  Shenme 22:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Reply concerning Yu
I understand. I am not offended if it states Yugoslavia, however, it may cause confusion. By placing (i.e. "Bosanska Dubica, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Yugoslavia), one might think that Yugoslavia still exists. That is why I think it needs to be "then Yugoslavia but now is Bosnia", etc. (or something similar). Might I say, I have nothing against Yugo. It is only for technical purposes that I say I from BiH. Most people, at least in the US, have no clue what Yugoslavia was. Thank you, Vseferović 16:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I have defended Tito many times and even been attacked by "facists" claiming he was steered our contury in the wrong direction. I'll put it this way: I support Yugoslavia (SFRJ) and will never be against it. I also do support BiH since one has to have a "homeland". I do not know if you have seen this video, but it was made by Slovenia. Kind of hard to find true Slovens roaming around supporting Tito, although they did like Yugoslavia for the most part. They had a nice economy selling throughout Yugo such as Gorenje, etc. Going on tangent, see this video/documentary: Tito. My good friend Denis from www.yugomix.com was able to get it from the author and she allowed him to put it on Youtube. Vseferović 21:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Z + y
In fact, the name of the elected French president would be Sárközy in Hungarian.

Zy is not a combination in Hungarian. Sár means "mud", "köz" means something inbetween, thus Sárköz may be the name of a region which used to have mud on it. Y is a variation of i, a suffix that means someone comes from a certain city, town, country or region, like "er" in "New Yorker." It doesn't affect the preceding sound (of course, it may be part of another grapheme, like ny, ty, gy, but it's a different thing), it's just independent. This is the reason pronunciation guides don't mention it.

"Medgyessy" as a name comes from the city of Medgyes, today Mediaş, Romania. The "s" is doubled for some reason (this name also exists in the form Medgyesi, though) and "y" means that his ancestors originally may have come from this city.

There are lots of similar historical names, like Rákóczi (from Rákóc, today Rakovec), Thököly (from Tököl), Hunyadi (from Hunyad, today Hunedoara County), Bocskay (from Bocska) etc. At least three members of the current Hungarian government have a similar name, József Petrétei, Miklós Persányi and György Szilvásy (cf. Petréte, Persány, Szilvás). Adam78 14:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * in Hungarian do you still pronounce the final 'y' as an 'i' or can you ignore it as in Sárköz?

We never ignore it, as far as I know. (What we often ignore is the letter "h" in several proper names, eg. "Thököly" is pronounced like [tököli], "Vargha" is [varga] etc.) You might be interested in the list of archaic letter combinations in Hungarian.


 * And if the preceding letter does happen to be l, g, n or t, is it simply something which one has to learn, or do they automaticly assimilate?

No, they don't assimilate. "Y" is rare as a separate letter in Hungarian but when it occurs, it behaves like an "i" or sometimes a "j". One has to learn which name is to be pronounced which, but the most common ones are used in street names throughout the country so it's not the pronunciation that causes problems, but the written form.
 * LY: Thököly is a good example for [li] (see above), while e.g. Kodály is pronounced [kodáj]. It's not widely known that the names of Jékely, Moholy-Nagy and Konkoly-Thege are also pronounced with [li] at the end because it's not too common.
 * TY and GY: If a name ends in [ti] in pronounciation, it's either written as -ti or thy – I can't recall any ty pronounced like [ti]. The case is similar for [gi]: it's usually written either as gi or ghy, so the silent "h" may separate the letters.
 * NY: [ni] is normally written ni and [nyi] as [nyi], but ny sometimes refers to [nyi], such as in the absolutely exceptional name of Batthyány's, being pronounced [battyányi].

It's equally difficult to predict how the "y" is pronounced if it's followed by a vowel (like Fáy, Bay, Vay, Pray): whether [i] (as a separate syllable) or [j] (along with the preceding syllable) or sometimes even [ji]... Adam78 19:52, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, I didn't mean to imply that the name of President Sarkozy should be pronounced in the traditional Hungarian way. In Hungary, the rule is that everyone's name should be pronounced as their family traditionally pronounces it (just like Roosevelt can be pronounced in two ways, depending on which person you mean). So I'm not sure anyone should correct it to the original Hungarian one but the basis should be how he pronounces it himself.

And thanks for your offer for help. :) Adam78 20:20, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: SPS
Well, Nationalism isn't quite a political ideology for the template - and in the end, the party at some cases only used nationalism (and not by itself ideologically, like in SRS's case). Cheers! --PaxEquilibrium 20:08, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll try to keep an eye.


 * Cheers! --PaxEquilibrium 10:56, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:Just a question
I believe he is Scottish only from his father's side, though I haven't found out any proof of that. --CrnaGora 19:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Answer
Ja nisam administrator, ali User:Duja jeste, pa se obrati njemu ako imaš neki problem. PANONIAN 10:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

A team's squad
Hi, I have a question and I thought you could help. I have a problem with editing a team's squad (the one that appears at the end of a player's wikipage. For example, if you go see Ognjen Koroman and you scroll down completely, you see a box with a red titlebar intitled FK Crvena Zvezda - Current squad, but that box does not have the same players as in the Red Star Belgrade wikipage. I have tried to edit that but I was unable to. There are some players in that box that left the club and some new ones joined, it needs a refreshment. Please help. Thanks. boris4c 20:48, 21 July 2007 (CET)

Rugova details
Hey Evlekis. I'm guessing you've noted the place of death as S&M because that was the name of the country at the time of his death? Makes sense, if so. Just checking. DSuser 09:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

поздрав -Γεια σου
Thank you for your reply. The country is geographically defined by the ISO 3166 (alpha-2) and the FIPS 10-4 codes, mentioned in the Mk (disambiguation) as "the ISO 3166 or for the FIPS PUB 10-4 territory code Republic of Macedonia". See also,. As for Marija Šerifović, I would rather say that the quote has as much to do with herself as with the Eurovision contest itself but I'm not really bothered. I really liked her performance and song. We vote for it from our part of the woods (BTW I liked the Makedonska entry too and this is not a cheap attempt to flattery). For the whole FYROM/ROM name convention thing, there is a quite nice 'Manual of Style' guideline here WP:MOSMAC. Regards, Pozdrav 16:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

History of Croatia
Thanks for your comment. I like frankness, especially in Wikipedia, which so often promotes hypocrisy. Please don't take my edits personally. I wasn't attacking you, but a train of thought that I consider harmful. Justifications of murder are revolting, especially when they have no encyclopedic relevance; it reminds me of another case: in the Stepinac article, someone (a Croat, by the way) wrote that the people "spontaneously murdered" Catholic priests in 1945. Awful stuff. And there were so many disputes about those numbers (Bleiburg, Jasenovac etc.) that I get pretty jumpy when I see them looming on the horizon of yet another article. I believe my edits were justified, but I admit my edit summaries were a bit aggressive. No hard feelings? --Zmaj 21:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Regarding the "so-called" issue, you saw right. I've noticed that many people don't realize that so-called and takozvani, its Croatian and Serbian counterpart, are actually false pairs. Wanting to say takozvani ("someone calls it so"), they say so-called ("doubtful or suspect") and then complain when someone changes it. Anyway, I'm glad I've met a reasonable man. Keep up the good work! --Zmaj 08:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * One more thing: you copied a part about Yugoslavs from the respective article to Demographics of Croatia. When I noticed that, I removed it from both articles. In fact, it's just a conjecture i.e. original research. Obviously, Yugoslavs could have been (and were) any nation from Yugoslavia. There are a dozen possible reasons why the number of Serbs dropped in 1991, IMHO the most plausible being that they left for Serbia because they didn't want to live in an independent Croatia (I personally know of such cases). And, to add a political opinion, I believe that the deleted paragraph was intended to falsely inflate the percentage of Serbs in Croatia to give more legitimacy to their claims in the 1990s. I wouldn't be going political with you if I didn't read your user page. It was funny: I started reading your example and thought "OK, A's are Albanians and B's are Serbs... no, wait, it's not right... A's are Serbs and B's are Croats... no, it doesn't fit... Macedonians... Bosniaks... Aaargh!!!" --Zmaj 08:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, when I arrived to the ink thing, I finally realized I was on the wrong track. Your Albanian example really shows how things can turn around in the Balkans. Still, I think we've seen the end of the "action". Now it's time for historians to sort it all out. As for Wikipedia, I'll try to use more references in the future. It's the only way to avoid edit wars. --Zmaj 14:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Slavic peoples
Thank you very much (fala, hvala) for your long answer to my post on the talk page of Slavic peoples. It's obvious you're well educated and know this area very well, it was a pleasure to read through your post. JdeJ 12:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Turkey, Ottoman Empire
Never mind. Write that Karađorđe was born in Turkey, Turkish Empire, Ottoman Empire, Osman Empire, whatever. Also apply that to Theodoros Kolokotronis, and others. Write also that Karađorđe was Turkish politician. He spent whole his life... having whose citizenship? Kubura 12:17, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, you did it. Fair. Kubura 12:35, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Opposing
To be correct, I was not "against the joining to the EU" from the beginning of Croatian independence. But as the time went, I saw that all criterias that EEC/EU had have fallen down (first keeping too exclusivist, and suddenly they let everybody in), and that theirs policy towards "new possible members" is ... segregationist toward new member coutries. Colonialism "in gloves". Too much involving in the policies of "new" countries, in the meaning - too awful trade and market conditions in legal forms. Small poor countries had to keep on life the overgrown industries of "old" members, and to "willingly" give up on their industries. Nobody asks where 'll they get the money. Even with the old members - when Portugal crossed budget deficit limit, he payed big fees. But, when it was case with France... nothing? So, why should we give our sovereignty to such union? Things are worse, when I saw their non-reacting to revisionism and pro-fascism of Italian highest governing bodies. Instead of condemning, serious punishments... the ministers said nothing?? In fact, good old Margaret Thatcher said few things nicely about EU in her book. At last, I don't want my country to be somebody's backyard for keeping garbage, nor somebodies social service to keep unwanted citizens and refugees. I'd rather be poor class member, with regular everyday meal (made of soup and loaf of bread) and his own home (no matter how uncompleted and not modebewusst), with regular (however small) salary, but safe job and to live peacefully, than to be with 20.000 euros salary, unsafe job, latest fascion decorated home (home, that's not mine, because I have to pay off bubble-sized rent or loan), with hyperhigh equipped car that's not mine etc.(loan...), and living in permanent pressure of loans that I have to pay off to have those hyper-resources, and at last, with foreigners ruling every possible resource of my country, with foreigners that can kick me out of my job anytime (job, because they own the company they bought after political pressures from EU countries for much smaller money than these companies' market value is, and after these companies were sanated with our taxpayers money), house and everything my ancestors left to me (also same story with my family, friends, neighbours). In short - rather free and safe and poor man on his own with peaceful life, than "richman" (with hectic life) that is in fact somebody elses ownership. Kubura 14:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Link on userpage
Hi Evlekis. Apropos of nothing, but someone complained about your user page on WP:AN/I. There doesn't seem to be anything seriously wrong with it, but I'd appreciate it if you remove the pipe link European Union. Wikipedia is not a soapbox for offensive views, no matter how you feel about the EU. Many thanks. Neil  ム  13:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And the "Brussels Comminity of Retards" one. Thanks again. Neil   ム  16:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That's great, Evlekis, thank you very much. And Shi'ite has always made me giggle.  Neil   ム  09:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Serbs living in pre-war Croatia
Oh, I think I need to explain in a less convoluted set of sentences:


 * Complete population of Croatia in 1991
 * 12.2% of the complete population -> Serbs of Croatia
 * 29% of the Croatian Serb population -> Serbs of Krajina
 * (at the same time, 0.122*0.29 = 3.5% of the complete population)

Do you understand now? Please propose a better way to phrase that if you can :) --Joy &#91;shallot] 22:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Gospić massacre
There is difference of opinions if I am croatian nationalist which promote Croatia or I only defend articles which speak about my country from serbian wartime propaganda. I do not know very much about Gospić massacre but in article is clear writen that there have been "the list was actually used to target Serb community leaders in a systematic mass killing". This is clear Serbian propaganda because in the end of article it is writen that only 24 of 50 persons killed has been Serbs ?? You will agree that first comment which speaks about killings of Serbs must be changed ? --Rjecina 15:23, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This is writen in article :)) Part which speak about that is Prosecutions and convictions and words are: "The charges alleged crimes against humanity, war crimes against the civilian population and violations of international law. 50 victims were cited, of whom 24 were identified as Serbs."--Rjecina 20:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It is OK --Rjecina 20:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Last little problem in article are words : "the unit rounded up local Serbs in Gospić and the nearby towns.." This need to be changed so that it is clear that there have been many others rounded and killed and not only Serbs. --Rjecina 21:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Hej
Nej, han är inte så smart den killen! Paulcicero 09:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Vad har du för källa till den här ändringen? Paulcicero 15:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

"Event of the day"
(also posted on the talk page of Saborsko massacre) Evlekis, it's not nice to name war crimes with introductions like "the event of the day was considered as war crime". Think. It sounds too relativizing. Ask someone else for opinion, if you find me "too incited about the matter". We don't need to loose our precious editing time. At last, Wikipedia should be place for fun (but serious), not a war place. Greetings, Kubura 14:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll stay away from editing that article for a few days, to cool off. Regarding Paul's, I give him right to give complaint (regarding "mostly consisted"), but he cannot say "stop making stuff". JNA from 1991 wasn't the one from 1975 (especially when last big generations of Croatian soldiers ended their military obligation in September '91; Slovenians were rare already in 1991). Regarding his "displaced" - that's not wrong, but not complete. Can you find the word, that encompasses both displacing and killing. I've used the word "eliminated". Do you know better word?Kubura 13:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Burma/Myanmar
The choice of title in the Burma/Myanmar article has been thoroughly discussed, and I think consensus was to have it at Burma, hence the title it is at now. Furthermore, you should never move pages by copy-paste since it disrupts the page history. If you desire a move back to Myanmar, that needs to be discussed on the talk-page, but since the issue was decided just a few days ago, it is unlikely that you will get support for such a move at this point. Sjakkalle (Check!)  11:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * At present, it is not possible to move the article with history to Myanmar without administrator intervention (and I am not one.) I find it highly unlikely that a decision to put it at Burma will be overturned by any admin just days after the decision. Right now, I think you will just need to accept the title of "Burma", and wait a few months before reopening the discussion. Sjakkalle (Check!)  11:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Details are found at Help:Moving a page. To summarize it: to move pages along with the history you need to use the "move" tab, which will move the page and history and automatically leave a redirect at the old title. You can only move pages to titles which are empty (have no content or history), or which only contain a redirect to the old title and no other history. In this case, the Myanmar page has a non-trivial history, so moving anything there is not possible without an admin to delete the history at Myanmar. Sjakkalle (Check!)  12:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Improper cut and paste move
Don't be making improper cut and paste moves. Use the move button.

And especially, do not make moves which are contrary to a prior Requested moves determination, as you did here in moving Amer Delic to Amer Delić contrary to the decision recorded on Talk:Amer Delic.

Have you done any others like that? Gene Nygaard 18:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. Gene Nygaard 17:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

national or subnational entities etc
regarding UK or England, SR Macedonia or SFRY issue: thank you very much for your kind proposal, but im afraid I will have to leave the pleasure of adding UK to every English, Scotish, Welsh and Northern Ireland-related article to you. Hopefully soon the notable UK citizens and British passport holders such as Robbie Williams or Paul McCartney or Mick Jagger or David Bowie or Brian Ferry or Robert Plant or Bruce Dickinson and the other couple of thousands will finally and rightfully have the UK sign in their articles along the Union Jack instead of the sub-national Flag of England. Your sacrifice in the name of the objectivity will be highly appreciated. Until then, I will modestly follow the examples coming from the "higher" and more influential English culture and its exponents on Wikipedia by adding sub-national flags. By the way, speaking of historical states, SR Macedonia is one of them too. Thank you very much. Efharisto Parapoli.Zorla 10:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI the guideline on the matter is here: Manual of Style (flags). It says sovereign states flags are preferred. ForeignerFromTheEast 17:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Ibrahim Rugova
By the way, he's of Serbian (distant) origin if you didn't know. :) --PaxEquilibrium 15:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * "Rugova" is one of the brotherhoods of the Serb clan Klimenti. While all are Christians, that single branch of the Rugovas is completely Muslim, with their forefather adopting Islam during late Ottoman rule. They were colonized in Kosovo during the age of islamization and mostly inhabited Kosovo and are somewhat few in numbers today. --PaxEquilibrium 11:39, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

A question
Hello

My name is ברוקולי and I am fro He.Wikipedia. I translated the article Avtopat to Hebrew. Recently, someone asked in the talkpage if the name Avtopat is just a word equal to motorway, or is it the name of the motorway network in the Republic of Macedonia?

I would appreciate if you could answer me on my talk page here at En.wikipedia.

best regards,

תחי מדינת ישראל (talk) 10:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: 1998-present persecution of Serbs and other non-Albanians in Kosovo
1. well I don't think all of the crimes were done by KLA alone. Today, it exists no more. Also, I believe many of the crimes were perpetrated by ad hoc armed Albanians not aligned with KLA after the war.

2. "But the KLA have employed Serbs and non-Albanians; this means that as an organisation, they are not totally hostile to the nationality itself. Serbs would be able to live and contribute to an Albanian-run Kosovo"... The KLA is an organisation, its victims are simply people opposed to the goals of the organisation. Well how do you then see the massacre of two children and other attacks. Civilians were attacked, just for being Serb and not because of being hostile to the KLA agenda.

Those are the two issues that (for now) have to be addressed. -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 13:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've never heard for Serb employees in the UCK. So two boys killed while swimming were killed not because of being Serb.. Maybe they were storing weapons on the bottom of the lake for the Car Lazar Guard?...please explain your claims.. -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 14:27, 24 January 2008 (UTC) Can the blowing up of 12 civilians also be justified? -- TheFE ARgod  (Ч) 14:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * of course I don't like it (when it is said that Serbs killed people just for being Muslim or Albanian) but I certainly cannot rule out that it happened on some occasions. If I think that, I can only be sure that such things happened on the Albanian and Muslim side (and with a bloodier history too). The thing you said regarding the isolated incidents only supports my previous point regarding ad hoc Albanian militiamen: hatred-incited attacks by non-KLA armed Albanians on civilians. As for the Podujevo bus bombing, my belief is that such an order came from the high (probably UCPMB) as such an attack was very well planned and prepared. -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 18:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Paintings
No worries Evlekis, I realised straight away it was a good faith edit, and to be honest it was someting that confused me too at one point. I was going to drop you a note but unfortunately got distracted. Ceoil (talk) 12:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Dialect continuum
You left a note on my user page asking for clarification about my request for a citation on the dialect continuum page. The text in question reads "However, the two languages [Istro-Romanian and Dalmation] are only distantly related, and it doesn't appear that a single dialect continuum existed." I know nothing about the languages in question, but it seems that the statement here asserts a truth without providing any evidence, and thus has the potential to be challenged (which is the criterion for requiring a citation). I think a citation could strengthen this portion of the article. Thanks for your work! Jpo (talk) 03:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

A question II
Hi, do you have any clue what is this? 

Thanks, -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 20:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * maybe some clues here: http://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Sanxhaku_Tregu_i_Ri -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 13:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Katie Melua
Could you, please, read my comments here:. If you want to add that it was then part of USSR, that's definitively fine. But putting Georgian SSR is the problem. Please, note the parallels I drew. I'm not asking you to follow any precedents. Just think logically for this case: Georgia existed before Georgian SSR, during, and after. The change in political system, also even independence/dependence, does not change the country in which a person is born. :Dc76\talk 16:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Kosovo
Please use informative edit summaries. I said the other day I'd block people who didn't. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see Talk:Kosovo. Unfortunately that section seems in the meantime to have been buried under so much new talk people no longer see it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd still prefer it if every edit had a summary, and an informative one, one that doesn't just mention some accompanying thought but actually describes what you're doing, so that people get an idea what the edit is about even without looking at the actual diff. The editing on that article is so fast-paced I'm certainly not the only person who finds it difficult to follow. Having to look at every single diff to find out what other editors have been up to is a strain. BTW, I notice you have a rather low edit summary usage on other pages too, might be something you might consider to improve the overall cooperative impression of your editing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
Hi, thanks for your message. I removed the section because it appeared to be original research. Your rewrite seems useful and quite informative, but some references are needed, a google book search may be useful. And you have removed some unsourced information, it is good. Can you please provide some name of books in the article particularly on the topic. Thanks.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 11:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Hashim Thaçi reverts
Hey, that's cool that you're into the whole linguistic propriety thing, but in the future instead of reverting a series of unconnected edits on the basis of one objection, how about instead you justify each revert separately. It's a bit more constructive, which should be the point, after all. Ossicle (talk) 01:49, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

"chauvanism"
With the "croato-serb" comment I was actually kinda' joking about the nineteenth century dispute over what to call the language, after they finally agreed to call it one thing instead of two, kinda' to point out the irony in insisting so vociferously in a "Serbo-croat" ANYTHING. Yes, I am familiar with the turgid history of the Balkans, and with the generalized interaction between political powers and the languages of the people over whom power is exercised - e.g. one wins and the other loses. But: First, I'm unsure why you think history (as opposed to, say, utility) ought to have some overriding value in determining the content of WP: the point is to reach consensus, not to be "right." My concern as editor is to find that version of the text closest to "reliable sources" which also is the most stable over time, not that which is the most "factually correct." The entire premise (as reflected in the structure) of WP is that former ought determine the latter, and eventually, inevitably will. Second, I'm kinda' concerned that you don't see the chauvinism in insisting that nations (people, etc. - in this case Kosovars) use the language (naming conventions) of those people (e.g. Serbs) against whom they struggle to become free. (And, yes, given we are talking about Kosovo, I say "free" with an appropriate amount of cynicism.) Just as something to think about... Ossicle (talk) 08:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

...Been meaning to get back to you about the friggin' novel you left over at my talk page. In short...yeah:

I'm somewhat American, and frankly to me entire Balkan region is just an incredibly noisy collection of postage stamp-sized countries whose citizens seem much too eager to reduce one another to mincemeat. But I take some small amount of pride in bothering to know whereof I speak: I do have an appropriate amount of cynicism about the various politics of nationality, I have a fair understanding of the interplay between "great powers" and Balkan powers, and I have a far better command of Balkan history than 'most any other 'murican hayseed. In any case, I certainly know very well the ability of brute force, intelligently applied to alter things like custom, language, and "nationality:" these are all tragically fragile and malleable. And Balkan history is a farcical, though entirely banal, demonstration of the terrifying things people will do in their service. The "Croato-serb" comment wouldn't have made any sense had I not already been familiar with pan-Slavism. That's the entire irony: possessed of an almost comical motivation to find common ground - that putative deeply shared Slav national/racial heritage - the Serb and Croat intellectuals couldn't even agree on a NAME. ...and then they justified killing one another on and off for the better part of a century.

Anyway, I realized slightly after I made the comment that the term "chauvinism" probably carries far more serious connotations (e.g. less formal) other places in the world than it does in post-1960's-identity-politics America - the word here is applied in the somewhat reduced contexts of feminism and gay rights, not in terms of actual, you know, genocide or nationalistic wars.

By the way, I stand by the "chauvinism" comment, but only because of TONE. I mean, really, you declare "the matter is closed" in the same breath as you say "These individuals' parents consciously chose to give birth to these people in a country where one language was official, and where they raised them in the same country, and where even in cases where one is a separatist, he gambled living out his entire life in a country where the status would not change." You have essentially just justified the fact that the "oppressors'" language has to be used on the "oppressed" (yes, scare quotes serve a damn good purpose some times) on some putative decision their parents made and they uh... accepted by not giving up everything they had ever known? Wait...really? You (really) think people chose which children to have, where, and what language they should speak? Further, that those children ought to be accountable to their parents decisions? It just seems, um, a bit extreme. I'm sure that's an unfair characterization, but it's nonetheless the one suggested by your TONE. No, before you write another novella on my talk page, I don't actually think you are a "chauvinist," but you do sound "chauvinistic." Right-o?

BTW, just as a guide to what level of audience to direct your replies to: I have a MA in Philosophy from the University of Chicago. My main areas of study have been great books (my BA), contemporary pragmatism, legal formalism, and human rights. And, yes, if those seem conspicuously disjunctive, well...welcome to my nightmare.Ossicle (talk) 08:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

help a brother out?
Hey, you and I might disagree with regard to tone, but we seem to share a concern for historical accuracy. Would you mind contributing a line to the discussion in the Thaçi discussion about what to call his birthplace? Either way, thanks, Ossicle (talk) 08:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I was talking about the section on the talk page called "Validity, Standardization, Reliability." The dispute is essentially whether to call Thaçi's birthplace "Srbica, Kosovo (formerly an autonomous province of Yugoslavia)" or to leave it the way it is: "Srbica, Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija, Socialist Republic of Serbia, Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia." I've made my points over there, but I think accuracy and neutrality are both affected by the change. Ossicle (talk) 21:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Nikola Žigić
With regards to the naming of the Nikola Žigić article: see the WP:UE: "Use the most commonly used English version of the name of the subject as the title of the article, as you would find it in verifiable reliable sources ..." But what ever is agreed moving pages should be only be done with the move tab. Now that you have moved the page using cut and past you can only move it by placing a request at WP:RM. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 12:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

On that same note, please do not move articles by copying and pasting them because it splits the article's history, which is needed for attribution and is helpful in many other ways. If there is an article that you cannot move yourself using the move link at the top of the page, please follow the instructions at Requested moves. Also, if there are any other articles that you copied and pasted, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Cut and paste move repair holding pen. — Keep in mind that such potentially controvertial renames should be discussed and agreed upon in advance. Best regards, Ev (talk) 19:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * i agree with Ev, please discuss moving articles with other editors next time, thank you. Nemanja Vidic page now doesn't have old history because of your copy/paste. Also, i had to fix one redirect because you didn't check all redirects properly. What's done is done, i suggest leaving it now as it is, it would take some effort to undo copy/paste, requesting proper moving of the article and so on....Please take this in notice before moving more articles ending with č or ć. Cheers...--MitsuFreak (talk) 19:44, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

The use of diacritics
Hello Evlekis. Since your comment was about the use of diacritics in general, and not about Priština in particular, I'm replying here.

On the use of diacritics there is no agreement yet among Wikipedia editors, and thus no clearly established policy or guidelines, with the issue being decided on a case by case basis.


 * Some editors think that diacritics should never be used, because what some see as a "standard English alphabet" doesn't have them, and because they cause some technical difficulties when doing web searches.
 * Others see diacritics as just another case where the core criterion of common English usage applies: diacritics should be used only if they constitute the usual, standard spelling in English-language publications. — It's the principle of least astonishment.
 * And yet others (like me) think that, given the technical limitations of a so-called "standard English alphabet" that doesn't have them, the use of diacritics by a minority of higher quality English-language publications is enough to justify it's use in Wikipedia as "a more perfectionist and educative way to display the name" (just as Britannica and the National Geographic Magazine do in the case of Priština).
 * Others prefer to use diacritics always, irrespective of English usage; with some people appearing to go as far as claiming that the forms with diacritics represent the "true names" of persons and places :-)

As you can see, the issue is not clear-cut, and there's often more than one good editorial choice. In balance, from what I have seen so far, the continued existence of diacritics on the English-language Wikipedia appears to be very much assured :-) They are not used in all cases, but tend to be adopted quite often. - Best regards, Ev (talk) 19:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * again i agree, see my message above (Nikola Zigic paragraph)-MitsuFreak (talk) 19:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi again Evlekis. Thank you for the kind words; and yes, of course I have seen you around here :-) In fact, when checking article histories, I often use your latest versions for making comparisons with the current ones.

On the issue of diacritics I understand your points, and agree with most of them. The so-called "diacritic-less standard English alphabet" is actually the basic Latin alphabet, for which diacritics were created. The use or not of diacritics in English-language publications depends more on technical issues, expediency, convenience and interest or care for such details than on a supposed "diacritic-less nature of the English alphabet". The situation is the same in my native Spanish :-)

However, because for X reasons some household names & words are commonly printed without diacritics, even in higher quality publications, those "simplified" diacritic-less forms become the norm and the mental image a reader is expecting to find in a text. Therefore, reflecting this English usage and following the principle of least astonishment, I think that it's the form without diacritics the one that the English Wikipedia should use in such cases. — After all, we aim at merely being like other high quality English-language publications. Our objective is most definitely not to promote or advocate for the adoption of diacritics in those cases in which even high quality English-language publications don't use them.

Although I usually argue for the use of diacritics, there are some cases in which I prefer to stick to the "simplified" forms. For me, the decisive factor is the form used by high quality English-language publications from the UK, Ireland, the US, Canada, Australia & NZ.

As far as I know, there's currently no centralized discussion on this issue. I will inform you if I ever come across one :-) For what it's worth, there are older discussions at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (use English)/Archive 3 (April 2005 - November 2005) and at Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics) and its talk page (January 2006 to April 2007).

On the other hand, you may want to check the current discussion at Talk:International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence‎ and keep an eye on the the public watchlist of the Kosovo WikiProject, to be aware of future similar cases. - Best regards, Ev (talk) 21:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Following your request, I bring to your attention the current discussion on the use of diacritics taking place at Requested moves/Tennis (permanent link). Have a nice start of the week :-) Best regards, Ev (talk) 12:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Diacritics
Evlekis, I've seen some of your comments regarding use of diacritics in Latin-based names. I fully support your position, and find this business of stripping diacritics very upsetting. This is going to be a creeping process unless WP:UE is changed. If there is a discussion or a debate on this, would you please drop me a note? GregorB (talk) 14:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * As for our first subject: there's User:Iricigor/UE, a draft proposal for WP:UE, with some comments of mine on the talk page - all rather unofficial for the time being. But sooner or later it's going to become official, so I guess one should prepare...


 * As for our second subject... :) You have a sharp eye, and I guess so do I, as I noticed your edit to Bruno Orešar...


 * My last edit was merely attempting to preempt edit warring caused by fellow Croatian editors who see red when they read "Yugoslavia". (No need to explain further, I'm sure you've had your share of experiences with them...) This is somewhat tricky, because "Croatia" has three meanings: 1) purely geographical, roughly corresponding to today's RoC, 2) SR Croatia - now historical, and 3) RoC, of course. So, when one writes "now Croatia" it indeed seems to imply - without knowing to which Croatia one is referring to - as if this "Croatia" did not exist at the time, as you noted. Generally, infoboxes are easy: I also think that the best thing to do is list the country at the time of birth, and then note the present country. (For e.g. currently or recently active sportspeople, vice versa could also be good - I can't really say.)


 * The trickiest part is the intro. For Bruno Orešar, I considered "Croatian tennis player who competed for Yugoslavia". However, I imagined a slightly less knowledgeable reader asking himself: "Why's that, did he emigrate from Croatia to Yugoslavia?". What's perhaps worse, this would also imply that he competed for Yugoslavia only, and I was not sure about that; he retired in 1991, so he could have competed under the Croatian flag too, but I couldn't find a reference one way or the other. I considered "Yugoslav tennis player...", but then I couldn't finish the sentence. So I confined myself to putting in the categories (no dilemma there) and hoping that Wikipedia will ultimately provide a better solution. Which it did, actually... Still, "Croat descent" somehow sounds to me as if Orešar was an ethnic minority, like an ethnic Croat born in e.g. Italy or Serbia. It's very difficult to write it so that it's neither ambiguous nor unwieldy. GregorB (talk) 12:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Well: I'm dumb, it's official... :) Yes, the Croatian Tennis Association was formed in 1990, but Orešar could not have played for Croatia because Croatia wasn't internationally recognized before January 1992. And there you have it; if anything, this should make it simpler. I think I'd go for "Croatian businessman and former tennis player who competed for Yugoslavia", or something like that - suggestions welcome.

The rest of your writeup made me think... Funny coincidence: in a recent exchange about our new Wikipedia diacritics controversy I said that stripping diacritics was essentially a manifestation of parochialism, the very thing editors from the Balkans are often accused for. And I fully understand why: this unbearable parochialism is precisely the reason why I stay away from Croatian Wikipedia. These "liberators" that you speak of are perhaps the majority there; at the very least, there's hardly anyone to keep them in check. Everything is dragged down. But here the situation is quite different; here they are playing a losing game. And I'm liking it... GregorB (talk) 18:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Another diacritics proposal...
...is at Use diacritics. GregorB (talk) 17:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * "ωĥö ṝẽâłłγ ṣṭřúģģļèš ťó ŕéáđ ţħïš" - I really like this example... You could write a thousand words and not say it better. Obviously, diacritics can be very expressive! :-) GregorB (talk) 13:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, what can I say... I dislike the policy even more than its its outcome, and the discussion is somewhat disappointing, because everything seems to end with "but this is not English!". Maybe I'm biased here, maybe I'm unduly influenced by the way things are in the Croatian usage: there, either it is Croatized (sometimes rather idiomatically, as "Wien" → "Beč", so Beč is in a sense a Croatian word), or it is not Croatian language at all and is thus rendered as in original. I probably could not pronounce nor spell an Icelandic name if my life depended on it, but somehow I feel that's my problem, not Wikipedia's. OK, I know: English is not Croatian, nor it needs to be.

But this really bothers me: I'm really not much of a prescriptivist, but the guideline that says "do what others do" is not a guideline at all. I must say I'm a bit resigned now, but we'll see. Well, more in the main discussion... GregorB (talk) 18:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Autobrush and his vandalism on Kosovo
The user Autobrush has responded quite negativly to your comment and refuses to acknowledge me you and the wikipedia community that has contributed on the Kosovo article; here is his commrnt to your respones :

"Elvekis, you are a Serb nationalist so someone should block you. Firstly mate, your precious territories which are "internationally unrecognized" are just that - ROGUE STATES. Kosovo is NO rogue state because it IS recognized by America, by Britain and by all DEMOCRATIC countries, the rest of them like Northern Cyprus are not. How the hell can a country which declares independence, is recognized by America and democratic countries NOT be independent??? Do we have to wait for Saddam Hussein to rise from the dead to say he recognizes it??????? Autobush (talk) 14:35, 30 June 2008 (UTC)"

Do you know how to get an admin to blocked him? Pro66 (talk) 14:52, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Your Behavior
You are anti-social and display anti-albanian characteristic behavior...I noticed in Racakyou kept talking about "media bias" and the 'massacre' of Klecka which YOU had NO evidence and now you are trying to prove a point by pointing me to some blog. If you are here to make "negative" edits and give us history lessons based on cherry-picked sources please save them.

I replied here because I did not want to embarrass you in public. Ari d'Kosova (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Of course, your neutrality is flowing out of you. Your version of history is not that diverse as you think. Those articles are not well reported, just some NY Times reporter who felt on reporting one side, the Serb one (communist party = puppet party of Serbia). I lived in Kosova and not one time did anyone tell us to kill Serbs or to drive them off home. We were too busy trying to put food on the table. Believe what you want but it was not the Kosovar Albanians intention to run Serbs away (and we didnt)..we were fine with the autonomous status of a republic (1974) and we would have been okay with that if Slobodan "the butcher" didn't turn us into 2nd class citizens and today Kosova would be an integral part of Serbia if it weren't for this Serbian pride trying to turn Kosova into Serbia. Ari d'Kosova (talk) 20:34, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I am the "kid" but you yourself are here on WP showing pictures of yourself and showing off your chest? To sum up why Kosovars don't want status of 1974 is best summed up by a song from Red Hot Chilli Peppers, "once you know, you can never go back." I hate people such as yourself who think they are "neutral" because they have learned a little history and have this idea that "all sides are guilty" when in fact it was only ONE SIDE that caused all the trauma. It was the Serbs who broke up Yugoslavia by offending the Slovenes, attacking Croatia, attacking Bosnia, and attacking Kosova. It was the Serbian nationalism (pride) that lead to the breakup of Yugoslavia. In Kosova we have a saying, "if three people say you are drunk, than maybe you have been drinking." If all your neighboring nations are accusing you of crimes against humanity, than perhaps Serbia comitted these acts? Or maybe perhaps overnight Kosovars, Bosnians, Slovenians, Croatians, etc all decided to hate Serbs for absolutely no reason??? Ari d'Kosova (talk) 04:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Call me by nickname, Ari. I didn't feel like changing my account from Kosova2008 to Ari because I felt that required too much work. I must admit you know more than the average Joe when it comes to Balkan history, but, you don't know it all. Kosovars have always wanted to be equal in the "federation" (yugoslavia). It was tis strong drive of equalness that we received "province" but with all the powers and jurisdictions of a republic (police, borders, parliaments, etc). We were the first to go into demonstrations or protests and the last to break free from Yugoslavia even though we were considered as the niggers of Yugoslavia. Someone posted this great link which I read that talked in depth about KLA/Koha Ditore and Lidhja Demokratike e Kosoves (LDK party) and how they each caused indirectly to become more radical and nationalistic which lead to independence. Anyways, I do NOT know why you are stuck about riots of '81 which for me isn't as important as protests of 1989 of the mine workers. I am sure there was CRIME in Kosova but nothing of the nature in which you depict (Albanians making it hard for minorities). I don't think then the Republic of Kosova or any other Kosovar government sent out orders or people to get rid of minorities. I do believe that there was crime, but that's ordinary, there is crime now, there was yesterday, and there will be in the future. Like I said, I really think we should stop arguing because you have made up your mind on this issue and don't see any logical reasoning except your own wherease I lived in Kosova and I know first hand what happened; I can't say I know every little detail (e.x. did Ramush Haradinaj kill an innocent civilian?), but I'm sure I know more. As far as your link I said it was a BLOG because it is. Of course, I'm not a moron, the first thing I did is search those articles and they are legit. I honestly believe the road to independence had a lot to do with Albania's oil reserves and Kosova holding the 5th largest mines in the world..and of course Camp Bondsteel securing the Baltic Stream (oil). But anyways, later sir Evlekis (pronounce?). Ari d'Kosova (talk) 20:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Autobush
To be honest that too have come across my mind as well recently, it is something to be defintly be looked into one of us should bring it up on his sock puppetry case. Pro66 (talk) 20:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Take it Easy
Be nice to K2k8, there is nothing wrong with patriotism or national pride. He has been around that article for months upon months and although he may disagree with some things he has always abided by consensus. It's fine to lay out your argument or proof for your point of view, but try to be nicer. A little less snide commentary would be appreciated by me personally. Beam 20:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with your views, or forcing them upon someone. It's the manner in which you express your views that has me concerned. I'm happy that you will work on being less of a jerk ;) Beam (talk) 17:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

No need to be a jerk about it. Beam 17:52, 3 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beam (talk • contribs)

Thanks, great comment, I really enjoyed reading it. And I must thank Beam for a great comment as well. Ari d'Kosova (talk) 19:29, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Haradinaj
Hey, Evlekis. Not a criticism of you or your edits in any way, but I'd be interested in hearing your rationale re: insisting that Haradinaj's name be given in BCS. (Given that this is English Language Wikipedia and all, and that I cant seem to find a single English language source that spells it anything other than Ramush Haradinaj, and in fact have a difficult time finding a consensus on the Slavic spelling.)  Cheers Davu.leon (talk) 02:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Chakavian
- I fail to see how saying that "Chakavian is exclusively a Croatian dialect" is a political statement, and your replacement with geographically and ethnically more inclined wording is not. In dialectology, when you say "X dialect" you always mean geographical distribution. Emphasizing ethnicity is completely irrelevant, for certainly there are non-Croats who speak Chakavian, but that doesn't mean that Chakavian is suddenly a dialect of the country their speakers ethnically originate from. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 15:28, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I saw your change in Chakavian and read your discussion on Ivan's page. You're wrong. First it's impossible to classify Chakavian as dialect of Serbo-Croatian because Serbo-Croatian didn't exist in the ages when Chakavian was developing into what we know about it from the earliest days and also how it developed until nowadays, never based on any dialect of Serbian language. Linguists usually say that there was some hypothetical Slavic idiom spoken in southern Pannonia in 6th century, which means nothing but conglomeration of God knows how many different languages, dialects, accentations etc... in the western Balkans in the next few centuries, already multiethnical western Balkans (heterogenous "Illyrians" plus newcomers). It can be said that Serbian language developed from Old Church Slavonic (blessed by Cyrill and Method - Byzantine scholars), while Croatian dialects, especially Chakavian came from an idiom, in literature usually reffered to as Old-Croatian. A part of some proto-South Slavic, but definitely different than Old Church Slavonic. First Croatian inscriptions (where Croatian really means Croatian) were written in Chakavian in Glagolithic script.


 * Also I think your change in the article largely generalize term Chakavian and makes it more distant to what it really is/was. It's not my allusion on Croatian property! To be honest I've never really heard it spoken by any non-Croat in my life at all. I mean real Chakavian or all those native local dialects grouped under that name, not hybrids from Dalmatian or Istrian inland. In our modern times real Chakavian is preserved maybe only in the Dalmatian and Kvarner islands. Non Croat immigrants comming from the east in the Ottoman ages who were not assimilated into Croatian ethnical corpus, but rather saved more or less of their ancestral identity, never really became Chakavian speakers. Serbs in northern Dalmatian inland were speakers of Stokavian/Chakavian hybrids with mainly Stokavian based vocabulary and pronounciation.


 * You make mistake if you think that Croatian and Serbian are more similar than Slovenian and Croatian, just because of modern standardized Neo-Stokavian hybrids. That way you deny the genesis of each one, so existing of both languages too. I'm Dalmatian but half of me is Slovenian (my mother). It was always interesting to watch her shocked by the fact that my father's Central Dalmatian islander Chakavian share unbelievably many completely same words with her Kaikavian Slovenian! Speaking about Slavic root words of course. Which cannot be said for any Neo-Stokavian comparing to Slovenian. Connection between Chakavian Croatian and Kaikavian Slovenian is the best seen in Istria where they're mixing in some places and it's more about accents than words. What makes problem in communication for many Cha and Kai people are accentation and pronunciation, maybe more than Romance or German exonyms. So not vocabulary in the large part, but rather "concentration" to "hear" it! On the other hand, pronounciation and accentation are the main reason why Slovenes find easy to understand Chech language, although they have different vocabularies (Slo is South Slav, Check is Western Slav idiom). It's because both Slovenian and Chech saved a lot more of half-vocals from proto-Slavic idioms than Chakavian or Scakavian Ikavian Croatian where it's largely lost due to Romance (Latin) influence.


 * I had opportunity to hear a Serb singer of old Orthodox church songs full of archaic Slavic words. To my Cha tuned ear, it sounded very distant, like Medieval Byzant broke to my world. I wouldn't really compare it to Old Croatian, according to my knowledge concerning its earlier forms.


 * Official classification of South Slavic languages din't happen by chance. Slovenian and Bulgarian are not so distant. But also you simply cannot say that it's all one and the same language. Claim that distinguishing of Cro and Serb is result of politics is even more ridiciolous, since Cro and Serb just recently met each other due to Neo-Stokavian chemistries. It's wrong to seperate an existing idiom from its history, languages are "alive". You cannot say that I am only what I am in this moment, since me now is actually sum of all what I was in my past plus this moment. It's the same with languages. That's how it's properly treated in linguist science. It's not on us to create new definitions.


 * Term Serbo-Croatian should be more cautiously used than it generally is. Maybe it can be the easiest applied to the speakers in the regions where Cro and Serb really mix and mixed in the past, Bosnia before all.
 * Chakavian is certainly not a dialect of Serbo-Cro, it's solely Cro, no doubt about it. That's how it's classified. That's how it developed until now.


 * I believe your change in the article was in good faith, but you actually didn't avoid politization, you've just created it there! You wouldn't say that French doesn't belong to Frenchmen just because there is some Japanese in Paris speaking it (or breaks his tongue trying to speak it), would you? It's completely irrelevant. Zenanarh (talk) 00:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow! Your reply takes 1 square meter area, and 1 half of it is my pan-Croatism? Where do you see it? I don't feel like that. I can accuse you for blind pan-Slavism in the same manner. If there is my POV it's "respect". Respect for my own roots as well as other people roots. There is nothing wrong about differences between close or familiar ethnic groups. There is nothing sacred if you see only similarities, which I don't deny, but I simply don't have a need to prove something which is already known. If I respect you and you respect me, if we respect each other and all those differences between us, it can only join us together. Blind insisting on equality can only tear us apart. Just think about what happened in 19th century with South Slavs and pan-Slavism and how it ended in the end of 20th! Why everything must be so exaggerated in the Western Balkans? You cannot enter in my room and say that you have right to watch my TV just because you're my 1st neighbor and just because you think that all TV's in our street are properties of all of us living in the street. It's insane. But if you ask for it in civil manner maybe I'll give it to you, maybe you'll get bonus radio or my satellite navigation because there is respect between us. For me pan-Slavism is the best and the worst thing in the same time that happened here in the last 150 years. Because of all which came out of it, finally, I'm scared to death of it. And upcoming hungry globalization doesn't help too much. I don't want to lose what I am and I don't want you to lose what you are. If we lose Bosniaks, if we lose Mujo and Haso, who will create the best jokes in the area? Get it? These are the black secret halls of my dirty mind, you can call it however you want, but it's not nationalism, I don't feel like that, so don't generalize and don't attach that shit to my skin, please.
 * BTW I’m last to use term Serbo-Croatian and I’m not sure what to do with it, except making jokes, simply because I think that hybrid name is violence made on 2 beatiful historical and modern languages: Serbian and Croatian. And I do believe a Bosniak to have his Bosnian language if it’s important to him. I can’t see problem there.
 * If you want to investigate term Chakavian, 1st things you can connect it to will be Croats and Angular Glagolithic script. If you want to investigate Croats, 1st connection will be Chakavian and Ang Gla script. If you want to investigate Ang Gla... Croats, Chakavian. What is wrong about it? By accident or not, you cannot connect it to Macedonians, Montenigrins, Serbs, Slovenes,... But you can find the bridges. You can see beautiful waters running beneath. Or you can make another pan-Slav assault on my talk page with 1 square meter text. I invite you to take a walk with me over the bridges. IMHO pan-Slavism unfortunately brought a lot of ignorance to these areas, ignorance was followed by fear, fear was followed by war. I don't need another war in my life.
 * I don't want to be dragged into discussion with you who eat who and why. I know very well that pan-Slavism was started in Croatia and then spread to Slovenia, Serbia etc... After all that I know about South Slavic history I can understand that there was no real Renaissance in the regions populated by them. Picturesquely, there was some kind of very long Medieval thanks to Ottoman expansion. Almost all South Slavic people came out of it sick and frustrated, some more, some less. That's why such beautiful idea as pan-South-Slavism became infinite pan-hatred because of many "I want it all and I want it now" from all sides. But also I don't think that we must repair it now, using the same tool. It will happen naturally by time, only if anyone of us can be what he/she is and respect the others. Or it won't happen because it's not really important at all.
 * Back to Chakavian. What happened was that it was pushed to the islands mainly in last 400 years, thanks to all those refugees from Bosnia, Herzegovina, Serbia,... immigrants of multiple ethnicities. They were not only Serbs and Vlachs, there was a huge number of inland Croats and Bosnians too who were not Chakavian speakers. Finally it appeared that Chakavian was not preserved in the regions populated by non-Croats as well as there were not non-Croat Chakavian speakers recorded ever in the regions where it survived. Of course there were probably some individuals who moved to predominant Chakavian environment and were assimilated, but they were assimilated! And you're right they certainly brought some of their characteristics to their new homes. In my ancestral islander Chakavian there are traces of Ikavian Scakavian Croatian, brought by the 16th century immigrants from the western Bosnia. However you must realize that the most of these little Dalmatian city-communes were not really opened to newcomers and their habits. That's why differently speaking Serbs and Vlachs were not welcome in the coastal cities and islands so they were given the abandoned lands deep in the Dalmatian inland in the front of the Turkish noses. What's more they were given the lands near the inland waters and swamps where there was a lot of mosquitoes and disease. Dalmatian and Austrian authorities hoped to get rid of them that way. It's funny because they survived and after meliorations in the 19th century it appeared that Serbian villages occupied the best lands, while Croatian stayed on the rocks. You can imagine how it escalated into new hate in 20th century in Dalmatian inland.
 * So you're right people are making language, people who are speaking it. You are coming from the right point but achieving wrong result in this case, probably because you don't know history of Chakavian very well.
 * But on the other side, generalization that you make is never important and helpful. It's pure logic that newcomers in some area, especially if numerous, have an affect on the speech of the locals. But as long as they are assimilated it's perceived as assimilation, no matter if there was some contribution and then contribution is recorded, not denied (or it shouldn't be). But this is not a case here, that's the point. Not with multiple ethnicities and Chakavian. Chakavian is not some secret. A lot of literature was written in Chakavian and a lot about Chakavian.
 * Well it seems that Ottomans brought a lot of trouble, but then again a lot of language mixing occurred which brought us to Neo-Stokavian chemistry :) in 19th century. And Evlekis I don't have problem with it. For me, problem is sowing generalized theories due to a lack of the right information, just because "it's always the same everywhere", which I see here.
 * Also you're wrong when you say that Italian and Croatian were not interfering. I can write 10 pages more about it, but I'm tired now and the night life is calling me. One weird example: in one really small island in Zadar archipelago a seller in the shop pronounced number 145 this way: quatorze-cento-pet (French for 14 - Italian for 100 - Croatian for 5) !!! That's how a few tens of the remaining natives there pronounce numbers in their local hybrid Chakavian Croatian, Completely insane.
 * Well here you got my square meter. Hope you enjoyed. ;) Zenanarh (talk) 20:24, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply buddy, I feel better now. Chakavian was based on or even equalised to Old Croatian and it did interfere with other languages, but not Slavic ones. Actually Chakavian saved a lot of vocabulary of the Dalmatian language, original Romance idiom developed from the Vulgar Latin at the Croatian seaside in the Late Antiquity and Early Medieval. There were different dialects of Dalmatian, almost every local area had its own dialect. It was immidiately reflected in similar distribution of the different dialects of Chakavian Croatian, the main culprit for dissapearing of Dalmatian. I've found an excellent small article "West-Balkanic Romance tongues" in Metapedia (spam filter doesn't allow me to put a link here?!?). There are some semi-Romance-semi-Slavic hybrids listed which survived for some time along with the Chakavian Croatian. Zenanarh (talk) 20:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Standard Croatian has some Turkish origin words because of Neo-Stokavian standardization. So it appears that many modern Croats speak some of these words, although their ancestors never did. Maybe it's opposite to Greek situation. Dalmatian language is probably generalized name for a several Romance dialects or sub-idioms. Yes this language was definitely a link of the chain between Eastern and Western Romance, but just a link, not all chain. I think Dalmatian was always classified as Eastern Romance rather than Western, together with some languages of Central and Southern Italy. But recently in some sources and here in Wikipedia it's classified as Western and even "Italo-Dalmatian", which is fake in my opinion, from the Italian scolarship kitchen. Probably because of some Venetian influence at the end of the Medieval, when it was finally dissapearing. See comments in Talk:Dalmatian language. User:DaniloVilicic seem to be an expert for this matter. User:Ivan Štambuk could be also more familiar to agenda than I am. Maybe we should animate two of them to give a hand. Wikipedia is often spoiled by faked revisionist theories and this case seem to be one of such revisions. I was trying to find something about Dalmatian on the net a few times, but all that I've found were poor and short texts. Scholar sources were published, but not available on the net. Probably I could find it in the libraries but I'm short of time. Also at the moment I'm more concentrated on Zadar history which was completely demolished by Italian nationalists, a year ago, and then badly repaired by one another Croatian user. There's a lot of work to do and unfortunately it seems there's a new episode of the edit wars starting there. Zenanarh (talk) 12:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Evidence to Autobush being a sockpuppet
Hey its Pathfinder2006 changed me username recently, i was looking at the history of the Kosovo page and had noticed an edit by a User: Doctor Dispute who is believed to DW Celt in the sockpuppet case along with Autobush username. The Doctor Dispute had complety changed what had said in the intro about the disputed terriotry to what autobush had Exactly said and about 2-3mins later he seemed to logout and Autobush logged in and has corrected 'himself' by correcting a link. That was the last edit by the doctor dispute so proves me saying that he logged out and signed in as autobush. i believe you would agree with me that this is the strongest evidence we have that autobush is a sockpuppet. you will find that i have put up my evidence in his sockpuppet case. Pro66 (talk) 14:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC) (Formely Pathfinder2006)

Dalmatian
But I know a guy who made his academic doctorship on Dalmatian language. Information on his lecture Once he told me that some Dalmatian phrases were usually spoken by his parents!? Next time when we meet I'll ask him to contribute. Zenanarh (talk) 16:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Bleiburg
Yeah, there are a few of us around these parts who oppose Croatia's petty nationalism, but don't get me started on that. Down to business, the Second World War is a single conflict. One cannot call something the "largest massacre since WW2" if the war was still very much on. Furthermore, even though the Germans surrendered, the war was still on in Yugoslavia (see Battle of Poljana), so what is the significance of the date of their surrender? Finally, even if we accept, only for the sake of argument, that the "war was over" on the day of the German surrender, the massacre occurred only a few days later, and labeling it a "post-WW2 massacre" would be meaningless nitpicking. And remember, we cannot talk about technicalities, since technically the Second World War was faar from over. -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 22:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Woah woah woah, you misunderstood, I did not mean all nationalism was "petty", nor that only Croatian nationalism was "petty". I meant that I oppose those aspects of Croatian nationalism which are indeed "petty" (bad choice of words on my part, sorry). We all know that there's the "good nationalism" and the "bad nationalism". Perhaps I should have used the phrase "radical nationalism" or something, but I've grown to call it "petty nationalism", and not for no reason. For example, some Croatian linguists have officially determined that the word "strela" (arrow) is "uncroatian", even though all of Croatia uses it, and are trying to make us use the word "strjela". Why? to artificially make the Croatian language as different from Serbian as possible (and vice versa). This is just an example, its too late in the evening to list them all. This particular form of radical nationalism really is petty in my view...
 * As for the text, its ok, glad we could agree. -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 23:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually DIREKTOR, both strela and **strjela are illiterate - the proper spelling is strijela, as a regular reflex of Common Slavic *strěla. In Split area, where your userpage claims you live, you shouldn't have ever heard the Ekavianism strela, only strila, strilica etc. and standard Ijekavianism strijela via state media. But than again, you claim to be a native speaker of quasi-language "Serbo-Croatian", so everything is possible ;) strela in Croatian organic speeches can be heard only in Ekavian dialects of Štokavian/Kajkavian/Čakavian, which are spoken by a fraction of Croats, so your claim that "all of Croatia uses it" is a gross exaggeration. There are some Ekavianisms that are very much prevalent in organic speeches as the last remnants of "Serbo-Croatian" period, but have been more or less successfully neutralized (prekid pro prijekid, pregled pro prijegled, prevara pro prijevara, prevod pro prijevod etc.), but strela is not one of those.
 * There's one more thing worse IMHO than radical language nationalism - its radical anti-nationalist language ignorantism. Only a very small fraction of Standard Croatian codifiers nowadays care about Serbian or "Serbo-Croatian" language (and many of them are inactive since the 90s) - most look how to undo the massive damage done to Croatian during the unfortunate Yugoslavia period (reviving the forbidden "Ustasha words", coining mechanisms, fixing the brain-damaged orthography [show me another language in the world that writes diphtong with a trigraph in a wannabe-phonemic alphabet]) and deal with modern-day problems such teaching 95% of Croats how standard Croatian should actually be pronounced and purifiyng Anglicisms. It's the problem of Serbian side that they see everything in Serb-Centric view, as if the Croatian lexicographical tradition didn't exist before Vuk Karadžić compiled his "Serbian dictionary" by copying from Croatian dictionaries. Every time you use e.g. biblioteka instead of knjižnica (remember that one Evlekis? ^_^), you're giving up a little piece of your history - in this case a root morpheme with amazing history, used very productively in a direct calque of Latin bibliotheca, as the word was coined by Bartol Kašić almost 400 years ago when he translated the Bible into Croatian. For some insisting on knjižnica would be petty nationalism not in the "brotherhood and unity" spirit of "our people" who use biblioteka, for others the other way around would be forceful communist attempts to neutralize Croatian identity. It's all relative ;) --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 17:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Operation Storm
Sorry but Serbs in Krajina are rebels not only in Croatia eyes but in eyes of world. I can give you many sources about this but I will show only 2 wikipedia respected sources. In my thinking it will be best that you look "my" Timeline of Yugoslavian breakup because this article is having more of 78 sources about Yugoslavia end. For example in NYT article from 31 July 1991 Krajina is called "...insurgent Serb-populated region, known as Krajina...". After Operation Storm Time is writing "... The self-styled capital of Krajina, the stronghold of nearly 200,000 rebel Serbs who seceded from Croatia in 1991". Sorry but they are rebels and writing different is original research. I have not reverted so that you can rewrite article beginning.--Rjecina (talk) 18:16, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Željko Krajan
Normally I wouldn't mind this edit, but it changed the meaning. I meant to say that Krajan lives in Varaždin; the fact he was born there too is incidental. Apparently Dinara Safina also spent some time training in Varaždin. For Croatia, this is a fact of note: not everything revolves around Zagreb and Split (in tennis and otherwise). GregorB (talk) 18:24, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem - no harm done... Actually I had to take a look at a dictionary because I wasn't sure anymore about the precise meaning of "native". What I had in mind was indeed "b. One of the original inhabitants or lifelong residents of a place". Your edit was certainly not incorrect, as Krajan was born in Varaždin (dictionary meaning under "a"). Still, I think I'll change it back, to keep the emphasis on residence. GregorB (talk) 11:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Reply...
...to the last comment of yours in Operation storm.

The star is both joke and serious, please don't misinterpret it.

A lot is already written in Storm page, no need to turn it into exhausting discussion board about a few words, so I'll reply here. I can agree with a lot of what you wrote in your last comment. But not all. Your allusion Kosovo - Krajina doesn't stand. Krajina didn't exist in concious of the people in Croatia before '91. It was not some recognised "province with Serb majority". The biggest settlement in that territory was Knin, just a small city. Serbs made absolute majority only in a several villages. Population was mixed, it was like 10 villages, 4 settled by only Croats, 4 settled by only Serbs, 2 mixed, all that in the centre of Croatia, but only in some micro-regions. Noone ever recognised it as some Serbian land or anything similar, except hard core Serbian nationalists for whom the moon is also Serbian if Serbian foot steps on it. It was practically the central part of Croatia and nothing else. It was a little bit Lika, a little bit Kordun, a little bit northern Dalmatia and that's all. Kosovo is something completely different. After this war I can see that people have distorted picture in mind about "Krajina". Suddenly it becomes something that it never was before. Believe me it's very hard to reply on comments by people who see this "distorted picture" as the real one; coming from here and knowing the real situation but not being able to show it to the people outside, since there is information "crossroad" between. In the most cases it is recognised as Croatian nationalism, and not what it really is - fighting someone else's nationalism. For me, you come from the same group of people, although I don't think that you have negative intentions (in contrary, barnstar is there because I think that you are positive person with positive views). In short, I can't find words to describe how shameful Serbian nationalism concerning Krajina is. There is no enough space here. There are no arguments to support any connection of that territory to adjective Serbian. It would be the same to Vojvodina called Croatian land (Kosovo is wrong example). Actually this is not good example either, since historically Vojvodina belongs to Serbs nothing more than to Croats. However something similar happened to population of Vojvodina. Serbian settling of it was encouraged after WWII.

The most people don't know that after WWII Yugoslav authorities encouraged Serbian settling of "Krajina", by people from Požarevac, Šabac, Ruma etc... That's how Serbs made and increased their majority there until 90's. It's not 400 years old situation. That's how Croatian anger in the region rised - nationalised private lands were given to the foreign people from the east. Tensions between 2 ethnicities were escalating gradually. By the time earlier settled Serbs who were completely loyal to Croats (as N. Tesla used to say: I'm a Croat of Serbian ancestry) became partially or fully indoctrinated thanks to the newcomers. Post-WWII persecutions of Croats, rising of an atmosphere of unhappiness in Croatia for being a part of Yugoslavia (innability to introduce democratic political system and more fiscal autonomy in 70's, new persecutions as a result of it, which meant pushing cca 80% of Croatian intelectual scene to disidency) and nationalistic theatre in 80's in Serbia made things a lot more worse.

Because of my proffession I was in situation to speak with Serbs in "Krajina" region after the war, as well as to the Croats that live there. The most of those "older" Serbs are sad about what happened, many feel guilty to be so naive and let "missionaries" manipulate with them. One oldman & his wife told me that, as they were refugees from Croatia (after Storm), they realized what happened to them when they were in Serbia. Not earlier. In years before the war they were bombarded by some local and some imported "preachermen" with informations such as "your language is Serbian not Croatian, your religion is Orthodox, Croats are Ustaše,..." But when they finally got there, in Serbia, they realized that their language was nothing similar to that spoken in Serbia, while completely equal to that spoken by the Croats in "Krajina", they realized that their habits are completely opposite and different to those of people in Serbia, while completely equal to those of Croats in Krajina (except those related to religion), etc... They realized that they belong to Croatia and then they returned. Croats from Krajina told me that the most zeal Serbian rebel creators in "Krajina" were "new settled" Serbs. Those who had properties and families in Serbia, so it was easy for them - if anything was supposed to go wrong, they had opportunity to leave Croatia without some problem, if "Krajina" mission was supposed to work, they were automatically in Greater Serbia.

Yes, you can act like a referee with whistle in your mouth waiting for a "new" ethno-political unit's border to be drawn in a map and say: this unit never had this territory before (since this particular unit/office never existed before). But it's not Olympic games. It doesn't work like that. We people on the Earth share many massive halucinations. One of them is thinking of an individual that he/she belongs to some entity. At the moment 100% of modern Europeans share that haluciantion, and it seems that this disease is spread wide all over the world. I envy those unknown distant jungle people in Amazona who equalize themselves to the trees, river, animals and nature rather than to ethnical groups (they don't know that something like that exists, they don't share our halucination). As long as your entity is not nomadic one, you recognise your entity tied to specific geografical area. In general this kind of halucination can last 20 or 1.000 or 2.000 years depending on many things. Cro halucination works for roughly 1.300 years at this moment. This last Cro need of having their own indenpendent state was not 20 years old, but rather 200. It's not something that can be noted by a referee with a whistle. When 1st man stepped on the moon surface it was not because he had decided to do so 5 seconds earlier. It was because 1.000 people had decided it and had worked on it for 10 years. 1st human step on the moon was action 10 years long, not 5 seconds. If you understand what I want to say. Ethnology and politics doesn't always go together. And politics can do a lot of harm to the natural ethnological environments. In Krajina case politics completely destroyed and distorted one specific ethnological environment, by giving it unexisting adjectives. So now we even talk about Krajina as about something that has Serbian characteristic, and we forget that in the same time it has Croatian characteristic ten times more, and I don't mean it like in Medieval. Zenanarh (talk) 12:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oooh around half and you already R.I.P.ed me. I don't hate people, I hate politics. This Storm was 2nd time I broke my own decision not to edit 20th century in Wikipedia. I'm leaving it too for time being. Back in time. I'll reply when I come to Antiquety and read another half. Zenanarh (talk) 15:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Quick reply
Thanks Evlekis, your message makes me feel much better now, for the same reason you've described about yourself. Actually I did write my reply to your huge text (mine was 2 times bigger... Jesus), then I read it and concluded not to copy it here. It doesn't make sense. You see, I was a warrior in that hell and writting about that makes me feel awful. Anyone who has such experience would understand what I mean. Some very bad memories. Usually I remember only humour of that time, there was a lot of it, my brain has hidden those bad things somewhere, but writting about it made it come out again and I don't need it. I respect life and all people on the Earth. Deep in my heart I'm an artist, never a politician or warrior. In en.wiki I'm interested in history. That's all. We can play tennis with messages but this is disgusting agenda and it can only spoil our karmas. You are nice guy Evlekis, see you. Zenanarh (talk) 14:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Lots of text
Hi, Evlekis. I still haven't managed to read your first "lots of text" (case of Istra). I'm trying to concentrate properly on your message, which means that I'll have to sacrifice one morning or afternoon (no chance for the evening, on the night only light topics go). Kubura (talk) 13:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Srebrenica Massacre
Evlekis, Please accept my apologies for not getting back to you sooner. Well, I find this Wikipedia article on the Srebrenica Massacre - which without a doubt took place - so appalling, because it is full of comments and opinions by self-righteous people who assume they 'know' the 'truth'. It seems to me that war crimes have taken place in and around Srebrinca by the Serbian irregular troops which are inexcusable. Many Muslim families have lost loved ones, because the Serbian irregular troops did not take hostages during the months of battle that take took place. A war crime. But then, this one fellow argues that Srebrenica constitutes the biggest massacre or even genocide in Europe since WW II.; give me a break, shortly before and after may 1945 the Russian troops forced the German population of Eastern Europe to leave their settlements.Today this is called 'Ethnic Cleansing'. It is estimated that during those tracks altogether 12 Million Germans 'disappeared' due to exhaustion, starvation, murder, shelling etc.. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not into the game of number count of dead bodies and I am really sorry for those few thousand male Muslims from the Srebrenica area that died in battle or were executed, but in the larger picture of what has happened in Europe to Russians, Jews, Gypsies, Poles. etc. the Srebrenica massacre is only a footnote in the book of a crual history. I understand the grief of their families since my family still mourns a son who was killed by the SS, but the instrumentalisation of this massacre is out of proportion. The 21st century already mourns 3 million mostly civilian casualties of warfare. Now, that is shameful as a beginning for a new and better future. Man, the hypocrisy ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hohage (talk • contribs) 03:29, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * ) Jfarrell4 (talk) 14:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Re.Iceland/EU
I think that the sentence you formulated on the talk page put it quite clearly. I don't think that there are any explicit rules stating that a country cannot belong to EFTA and the EU at the same time, but it would not be workable for a country to be a member of both, so it is de facto right to say that a country cannot belong to both at the same time. Regards, Hús  ö  nd  19:26, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Trafalgar Square
Oh, I'm aware, I was just attempting to revert it to pre-ip edit nonsense state! --Ender The Xenocide | ( Talk | Contribs) 20:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Alternative names
Hi, Evlekis. I replied & commented at WikiProject Football. - Best, Ev (talk) 16:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I have just edited the article on Hashim Thaçi (diff.), moving the alternative names to a footnote, as suggested at WikiProject Football. Is that ok with you ? - Please, reply here. :-) Best, Ev (talk) 17:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's an excellent idea and I support your proposal 100%. I can see what you're doing with the translations such as with Dinaric Alps; you've reduced a heavy load from the opening and disperced the same details farther down for easier/more interesting reading. The footnotes section is also good thinking. I can't say I mind either way how some names are presented so long as they are presented. We now have the discussion playing card on our side over this one, and as long as you and I can keep many of the same articles on our watchlists, we can peacefully restore this pieces of information without risking a block or edit warning; besides, it won't be an established user who is likely to contest this usage, it will be some anon with nothing better to do. Thanks for your effort. Evlekis (talk) 15:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, it was you who first mentioned the possibility at that discussion. :-) I have just done the same in the article on Armend Dallku (diff.). Feel free to use plain if you prefer.


 * As fas as I can see, the main problem with such alternative names (and flags, coat of arms & templates of every kind... especially those of WikiProjects) is that many people perceive them not as simple information or editing aids, but as some sort of "sovereignty claim". So, they tend to be equally added where they are not necessary and removed where their presence actually makes sense.


 * I really hope that these unobtrusive footnotes can simultaneously reduce the burden of reading the first paragraph, avoid detection by those scanning for "sovereignty claims" and provide information to a more careful reader actually interested in the topic. - Best, Ev (talk) 20:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Re:Information
Hey there. I actually do have the Franjo Wölfl (and other pages on which the IP has been active) on my watchlist. But in general I adopt a passive editting style. It's usually not worth trying to reason with a "faceless" IP whose activity centres around one repeated pattern of editting. The IP will most likely tire themselves out in a few weeks. Like you said, there's the option of involving admins. But that requires not only getting the attention of an admin, but convincing them that you are right and the IP is wrong (again, no guarantee).

When the IP's activity dies down, I'll make sure to do a nice sweep of restoring the nation links.--Thewanderer (talk) 14:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Hakan
Thanks for the info, I think it's good now, Turkish version of his name should be kept in the article. - Darwinek (talk) 19:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Footnote's format tweaked as requested (diff.). Best, Ev (talk) 15:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Curri, Sejdiu, Thaçi etc.
Thank you for the clarification, Evlekis :-) I do not have those articles in my own watchlist, but they are incorporated in the public watchlist of the WikiProject Kosovo, which I maintain. In this specific case, I noticed your revert before I had checked all edits done during the weekend. I did wonder what that odd word (which I took for a standard suffix) would mean: a simple diminutive, or a more nuanced pejorative ? *sigh* I still keep hoping for more delicate, imaginative & even polite forms of vandalism... Best, Ev (talk) 16:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Names
Hi, sorry for calling you Ev at talk Kosovo... a (first time)mistake on my part. I saw Ev somewhere on my watchlist, his signature is right above this section... I didn't think twice about it. You both make rational and convincing arguments whenever you comment. So keep up the good work, Evlekis :)  Balkan Fever  14:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Evlekis the Magnanimous
Pleased you liked my contribution, I feel there definitely is room for an 'Evlekis in popular culture' section. Brutaldeluxe (talk) 00:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe someone should extend the hatnote at the top and add: Not to be confused with Ev :D  Balkan Fever  02:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That might look a bit serious. I'd rather put something like: Do not confuse with Ante Gotovina, for humour's sake!

Reporting repeated disruptions
You might like to know that I have reported 3 users (Lontech, Sulmues, Spanishboy2006) who are violating Wikipedia consensus on Kosovo to the ArbCom probation enforcement page. Feel free to leave any comments, if you'd like. All the best, -- Cin é ma C 02:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement, I really needed it and sincerely appreciate it. When I came to Wikipedia, all I wanted to do is to create a couple of articles that didn't exist before and maybe fix a few mistakes here and there if I notice them. I didn't want to get involved too much with the Kosovo article, but my very first edit there was removing biased Noel Malcolm rants. I was surprised these kinds of things passed as 'historical literature', his account is marred by his sympathies for the Albanians and his illusions about the Balkans. I've known his work from before, his book "Bosnia: A Short History" championed restoring Bosnia's unity and reintegrating its Muslims, Serbs, and Croats, who had been separated by war and ethnic cleansing. However, in the case of Kosovo, Malcolm suddenly supports Albanian demands for independence. To be consistent, he would have to demand the reintegration of autonomous Kosovo into Serbia and the resolution of the Albanian-Serbian conflict through Albanian participation in Serbia's political life - giving the same prescription for Kosovo that he gave for Bosnia. There is simply something illogical about all this and it's simply impossible to consider a 'historian' such as Noel Malcolm neutral. -- Cin é ma C 20:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Prekmurian dialect → Prekmurian language
Zdravo! Ja sam Slovenac u Mađarskoj i učim slavistiko. Imam članak Prekmurian dialect, a voljem, da bo language, jer prekmurski jezik ima standard. Jedan slovenski suradnik User:Viator slovenicus pravio, da je to staro. Da, je stari prekmurski književni jezik, a također novi standard. Sad jedan jezikoslovac i pisac Vilko Novak je pisao riječnik staroga prekmurskoga jezika i zasad još nijema riječnika novoga prekmurskoga jezika. Ja doma pripremim napomeno odavde: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Novine_i_Kalendar.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Marijin_list_(1920).JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hodi_k_oltarskomi_svesti.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dusevni_list_(1933).JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Molitvena_kniga_(1914).JPG jer tu je novi standard. Prekmurščina je slovenački regionalski jezik (pokrajinski jezik), ovo je pisao također Vilko Novak i drugi jezikoslovci. Ti podupiraš, da bude language/jezik članak? Doncseczznánje 18:08, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Brief reply
My answer in your msg is in my talk page. --Factuarius (talk) 18:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I transferred our discussion to the article's talk page in order to give the access to other editors to participate in it.

Kosovo episode
The problem with your proposal is that it would be inaccurate to make the Kosovo article look like the article about any other self-declared Republic on Wikipedia, as this is not an article about the self-declared republic of Kosovo (although a part of the article does concern that), but rather about the territory of Kosovo which is claimed by both Pristina and Belgrade. Instead of comparing Kosovo with Abkhazia / South Ossetia, it is much more accurate to compare Kosovo with Ossetia (a region whose North is a part of Russia, the rest claimed by both Tskhinvali and Tbilisi). If they are determined to have that infobox on top, I might support the creation of a Republic of Kosovo article (and the Province of Kosovo in that case as well) and each side would edit articles that reflect Pristina government activities and Belgrade government / UN administration activities in Kosovo, but never making it look like either territorial claims are widely accepted. I understand the other side's arguments, but if you look at the Serbia article, Kosovo is a lighter color than the rest of Serbia, while Georgia doesn't have these shades as the territories of Abkhazia and South Ossetia are already covered in that article. This is not the case with Kosovo, as almost all of Serbia's statistics and information don't include Kosovo. Therefore, it may seem like the Kosovo article is comparable to the Abkhazia and South Ossetia articles (and I know their arguments would be along the lines of "Well, why add Republic of when Abkhazia and South Ossetia don't have that"), but that's simply not how Kosovo is covered on Wikipedia and it would be incredibly one sided to put that infobox on top. Provided that we have an understanding that this is an article about the territory of Kosovo, and not the self-declared republic of Kosovo, it would also open up the discussion about why the other infobox isn't on top considering that the majority of the world's countries do not recognize Kosovo. Yes, Abkhazia and S. Ossetia have much less recognitions, but once again, it's not the same type of article. -- Cin é ma C 17:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Nexhmije Pagarusha
Would it be more constructive to talk about that on the discussion page? Talk:Nexhmije Pagarusha —Anna Comnena (talk) 15:46, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I gave you a response on my page. Is that OK with you? —Anna Comnena (talk) 17:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

WP:BLP?
Always? How did we wind up with such an artificial convention?--Louiedog (talk) 16:16, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

your feud with Zsero
Evlekis, seriously, you need to gear down a little here. Edits like these,     just make you look bad. Zsero is editing in good faith, and you need to try and see the point he is trying to make. If you disagree, you should sit down and try to come up with a compromise solution. If you cannot compromise, you need third opinions. I see here you are beginning to compromise, which is a good thing. You cannot always get your precise revision of choice on Wikipedia, so you need to begin making a list of things in order of importance, and avoid wasting time with WP:LAME edit wars over little points of phrasing. --dab (𒁳) 08:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

FkpCascais
Hi, we don´t know each other, I think..., I just wanted to thank you for explaining well the issues regarding Serbia to albanian users. Just wanted to remember you an valiable argument: Serbian Language is still official in Kosovo, so the changes that happend after Serbia lost the war against NATO (U.S.A. + Alb.mafia) doesn´t mean that everything is now written in Albanian. Regards FkpCascais (talk) 05:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Pozdrav Evlekis, bas mi drago sto si mi odgovorio. Samo odmah da ti kazem, ne razbiram ja Makedonski bas puno, mislim, razumem skoro sve ali ne umem bas da razbiram... To sam ja vise stavio zbog ovih anglosaxonskih vikipejaca, ipak dosta vise razbiram od onih koji ne razbiraju nista. Video sam i ja tvoje podatke, pa mislim da sam negde video da znas Srpski, pa ces me valjda razumeti. Jos se smejem o onoj ozbiljnoj situaciji koja se desava u West Pizda... Samo, gde si se setio President Caralho-a of Ebanje? Caralho je Portugalski, a to mi je drugi jezik, jer u Portugalu sam vec 20 godina. Nasao sam te jer su me malo napali ovi siptari, prvo neki kedadi mi menjao Prištinu na Pristinu, pa sam se sa njim malo zakacio, a onda me ta neka Anna Comnena opominje kako da pisem gradove na kosovu. Ja sam malo popizdeo jer, sta njih briga kako pisem mesto rodjenja Prištinu, kad pisem biografiju o Srpskom fudbaleru koji se rodio u Srbiji (Priština je tad, 1980-tih bar bila Srpska). Pa ne mesam se ja njima kad pisu biografije nekih siptarskih fudbalera... a kao sto sam video, oni pisu sve na siptarskom i ne pada im na pamet srpski. Cak pisu kako je recimo neka Kosovo Superliga (fudbal) postojala jos od 70-tih. Pa sta je onda istina? Da nisu mogli ni ulaziti na stadion u ono vreme, kako sam video da kukaju u nekoj tv emisiji koju sam ovde gledao, ili je Milošević gledao utakmice Kosovo Superlige 80-tih, kako oni tvrde da je postojala? Zezam se, ali njima istina, kako im odgovara... Tu sam odgovorio tom kedadiju i toj anni, pa sam video malo sta su sa tobom razbirali. Ali, prvo sam mislio da si neki grk, jel ti to Evlekis prezime? Da skratim, tu sam pa ce mo biti u vezi. Moramo i mi malo da se organizujemo. Sve najbolje. Filip FkpCascais (talk) 22:31, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hej, vidim da dodajes cirilicu u igrace. Super, samo da ti kazem da recimo u Nemanja Supić mislim da je vec bilo, pa ovde ima neki bosanac koji skida svu cirilicu sa Bosanskih igraca. I sa njim bi mogao da udjem u diskusiju, jer je Srpski i cirilica su isto zvanicni u Bosni, pa bar Bosansko/Srpskim igracima bi trebalo da stoji. Oni to shvataju kao napad, ali ja recimo kad preavim strane o Vojvodjansko/Madjarskim igracima, kao Zoltan Sabo ili Ištvan Dudaš stavim i kako se pise na Madjarskom, nemam kompleks oko toga. Ali izgleda siptari i bosnjaci imaju... Plase se cirilice... FkpCascais (talk) 00:04, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem Evlekis, we can continue in english, so others may not think da cemo da im jebemo majku... I´m really used to the present situation. We lost, they have the money and the power pa nas malo jebu u bulju. I was also born, like you, in a Yugoslav spirit. I think we almost all did. Serbs, Macedonians and Montenegrins (some Bosnjaks too) were allways Yugoslavs, but the others were allways rabotili za svoj kurac. And they keep on doing it. I have been in Kosovo, I have family in Bosnia and I used to go to hollydays to Croatia ( unfortunatelly, I never been to Macedonia, but I have few friends from there and I know that you are nice people). what else can I tell you. I love football, I never played professionally, but I´m quite fanatical about football history, statistics, clubs, national teams... So, the first thing I started doing here was the list of foreign players in Serbia and Yugoslavia (They are on my user page). I avoid going to historical and political pages because I think I´ll start rewritting everything... It´s allways the anti-Serbian point of view that wins, so it´s a bit lost battle. Maybe some day I´ll get the pacience to get involved more seriously, but until then, I hope to continue writting about our Yugoslav football peacefully. I also did a few Macedonian players biography´s as well! I do feel sorry we didn´t stay together. Not in a nationallistic way, so Serbia would be bigger, but because I beleve we could be stronger together. I wouldn´t even mind being Skopje the capital, at the end, it was while Skopje was the capital that Serbia had it´s most notable state! FkpCascais (talk) 00:34, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Evlekis, I may need your help (since I see you know the sources the alb editors are using) in Kingdom of Serbia article, see also talk page. It´s under heavy attack from same perpretators. In the Kosovo 20 century article, it talks as Kosovo was autonomous since 1945, wasn´t it only since 1974? FkpCascais (talk) 21:26, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much FkpCascais. Much appreciated! Evlekis (talk) 21:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi Evlekis, thanx for correcting Darko Šuškavčević page, I would have done it myself, but I don´t know how to writte diacritics in the move page, since there are not present the alphabets like in the "normal" editing pages. There are many more pages to correct, how can I do it? FkpCascais (talk) 22:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Copy/paste, right, dahhh, how damm I am... I touth maybe the letters are hidden somewhere in the page. Forget it, thanx. FkpCascais (talk) 04:35, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Evlekis, I´m thinking seriously to try to ban that user from editing Serbia related articles. Come on, he insults Serbs, and than asks what´s wrong (pravi se lud). I´m not going to Greater Albania and write insulting things there, like the bastards they were in the WWII or (allways as people told me) because that just wouldn´t be fare to other non-nationalistic Albanians. Come on, I even contribute to Albanian and Kosovo-Albanian football related articles... I hope (weel it´s throu, you don´t know me) you know that I´m not in any way some kind of blind Serbian nationalists, right the oposite, I HATE any blind nationalists, specially Serbs, or others from the region, that destroyed almost everything beautifull in the region. And by blind, I mean nationalists that hate more others than even love themselfs. And that is what I see in that editor charachter, he hates more Serbia than loves all the rest. I´m not in any way Serb Nationalist, I like Serbia as many as a Portuguese likes Portugal, but I wan´t allowed any other nations nationalists to vandalise serbian related articles. There was pretty much enough bad lies and exageration directed towards Yugoslavia and Serbia recently (weel, last 20 years...) so we really need mre trouth, and not more lies. I´m not saying all he writes are lies, but the problem resides that in any half-trouth he writes, there should be at least 2 unwritten trouths there. Without them, the texts just look as we were some kind of buthers, and despite Serbia having butchers, the reallity is very far from everybody being it. Sorry to involve you in this. :) FkpCascais (talk) 06:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I do understand the reason for your words :) . But I must correct you in some points. My contributions to Kosovo football articles go way beyond birthplace corrections, didn´t you chek? Nevermind, it was like at least one months from now, and a million edits earlier. Anyway, I´m not doing it as argument for this debates, but because I like football, and because many Kosovar players and club articles are very poorly edited. Other correction goes about his discussions, he just started doing it recently, when more editors intevened, chek the pages edit wars, and see the dates of his first discussions. Oh!, and this is serious, he does make edit wars, just not recently, cause he was worned. About him obeying the WP roles, I´m not sure about that... I think his editing definitely breaks many roles, I´ll further look. Ah, and about Mladifilozof being alone, hmmm... I don´t think so, they just didn´t intervened so far (he is doing their job so well). About Mladifilozor, don´t warry, you deserve the aword exactly because of that ;) . I am a pacifist, but I do react to anti-Serb blindness a litlle bit as Israelis do when somebody dares to say something against Israel, I recognise that. I just think that this days, when all the politics and propagandas are much beter known, somebody hating some nationality (or nation in general) must be "blind" and doesn´t really deserve my respect (mladifilozor says he´s got a Political Science degree, so he doesn´t have any excuse for being irresposable). But, lets face it, the user is not some kind of "innocent" media anti-Serb propaganda follower. He´s way more than that, I just don´t know until what point some foreign admin will really understand it. But his edits, in my point of view are comparable of Hitler´s writting of "Mein Kampf" because may lead to the creation of such hateriot. I´m not happy with the situation, because I don´t really want to loose time here, but leaving him edit freely could do much damage! NOT HAPPY! FkpCascais (talk) 20:18, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Don´t warry, I just had to say it. He reported me again, so I hope this does get some "investigation", so I need to be clear. P.S.:I´ve added you a sentence to previous comment. FkpCascais (talk) 22:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Listen Evlekis, I must confess you something :( This is serious stuff. I was the right hand of Stevan Stevanović in the terrible Prizren grandmothers massacre.Yes, it´s throu... Also, I disguised as crazy (it wasn´t hard) so I could infiltrate myself into the Makarska mental institution waiting room (oh God, the Baklavas was so good there...). Anyway, I think you deserve to know that those were some crazy nannies back there in Prizren!!! They throw to as their enormous stinky Victoria-secxret underware, we had to retreat!!! Almost lost! But, we didn´t, and: "Death to all crazy nannies, and long live the Greater Teen,Young&Youth Empire!!! Yeah!!! FkpCascais (talk) 04:22, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S.:Youthians are now demanding their language to be recognise as separate from Teenian and Youngian (???), so I´m not sure they´re with us no long. And the Prizren nannies receved an entire new collection of underware from Queen Victoria Secret. She made specially foor them size XXXXLL! (She´s unoficially supliying them, smmugling all kind of stinky stuff for them). So, hard times are ahead us. :p Hard→Victoria Secret... FkpCascais (talk) 04:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Yo, sorry, wasn´t here, weekend! Having told you this 4 words, I see you "read" my nanies exemple, and as good old wised person, you inmediatelly understood where have I been around here. I must confese that I find a great mistake my involvement in that particular discussion (I was feeling lonely, and needed to discuss with somebody... :) But, I did find out that WP is particularly weak in some points. This (languages) should be an "international" issue, with some world bodies having their touths in it, and I touth some other wiki admins, with languages knolledge will interfere and say how this normally works... But, I also beleved in Victoria secret and touth this was a perfect world... I really just get involved trying to find out if the language is officially recogn or not. Nothing special, but I sudently finded myself discussing with a Montenegrin and Croat who finded offensive that I have even asked those questions. So, as a throuly "primite" how in the esence I am, couldn´t stay cool, and refrained the converstaion, but instead I just adored discussing it as if I was some kind of greater Balkan languages linguist. Big error. But, nevermind, we all make mistakes from time to time. FkpCascais (talk) 07:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry Evlekis, I just can´t stop now. Have fun crashing my arguments :) . Ah, but please, don´t change my words there. I´m not Montenegrin enemy, right the oposite, I love Montenegro!!! FkpCascais (talk) 13:38, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Evleki, I hope you can answer me this question I have. I´t´s nothing polemic, don´t warry. It´s also about linguistics. Why the son of Ilija Najdoski is called Dino Najdovski? Najdoski → Najdovski? When the "V" is used, and when isn´t? Mitrski → Mitrevski... FkpCascais (talk) 07:25, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ≤≥:√...↑↑↑↑...₳♦₪₯♭...just training... Hey, what abou my question? ₳↑↑↑↑↑₳ FkpCascais (talk) 01:35, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanx. So, something like half of Macedonia has its surnames wrongly spelled? I touth there was some Macedonian secret formula, or, in case of invasion, to confuse the enemy with surnames, so they want know who is family, who isn´t. What a dissapointing world. FkpCascais (talk) 10:25, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Don´t warry, I didn´t said "wrong" like I´m gonna start a "Ski revolution" and try to fix it. Hey, my family name from my mother side also had misspellings in the past, and it isn´t "-vski/-ski". One letter was changed, and some continued it in that way, some demanded to be fixed, and did it. So, if I have two or more sources for a Macedonian player, one says Xoxoski, and other Xoxovski, I can´t really know wich one is right? (Until now I tried to follow, if possible, allways Macedonian sources, but even they have this two versions of same surname sometimes). FkpCascais (talk) 11:31, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Greater Serbia
Hello. I saw that you mass reverted my contributions to Greater Serbia article. This article was in realy bad condition and I tend to improve it. If you think that article is POV, just put the proper template.--Mladifilozof (talk) 22:51, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I've tried to clean a mess from the article, so I have removed some unsourced parts. Can you please tell me what important information was removed, because I am working on this article and I will put them back.--Mladifilozof (talk) 23:16, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I know this "minimum three reasons" sentence, but it looks like original research to me, so I put it out. I will put it back, but please, give some reference if you have. I will also take out some of the wartime atrocities. Lets continue on talk page. Greetings! --Mladifilozof (talk) 23:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I know you understant serbian, so please, can you help me with the translation, just this one quote for the article:

"A ja kažem: ako bi trebalo da se održi Velika Srbija zločinom, ja na to pristao ne bih nikada; neka nestane Velike Srbije, ali zločinom da se održava – ne. Ako bi bilo potrebno i nužno jedino da se održi Mala Srbija zločinom, ja i na to ne bih pristao. Neka nestane i Male Srbije ali zločinom da se održi – ne. I kad bi trebalo da se održi poslednji Srbin, ja da sam taj poslednji Srbin, a da se održi zločinom – ne pristajem, neka nas nestane ali da nestanemo kao ljudi, jer nećemo onda nestati, živi ćemo otići u ruke Boga Živoga."

- Patrijarh Pavle

This is my attempt of translation:


 * So I say: if a Greater Serbia should be held by crime, I would never accept it; let Greater Serbia disappear, but to hold it by crime - not. If it would be needed and necessary to held only the small Serbia by crime, I would not accept it. Let small Serbia disappear, but to hold it by crime - not. And if last Serb, and if I am the last Serb, should be held by crime - I am not accepting. Let us disappear, but to disappear as a humans, because we will then not disappear, we will go alive into the hands of the living God.

Thanx in advance. --Mladifilozof (talk) 14:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * my problem is not serbian, my problem is english:) so there is no grammar mistakes? ok, thanx.--Mladifilozof (talk) 14:47, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Evlekis thanx a lot, this is realy faithful translation. I can feel it while I read but I could not translate it by my self.--Mladifilozof (talk) 15:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello again. We have a funny situation. I have returned your "minimum three reasons" paragraph in the top of the article, but the other user put it out. I don't wont to provoke edit war, so maybe it is better to you get involved in conflict resolution.--Mladifilozof (talk) 17:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Language discussion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Geopolitical_ethnic_and_religious_conflicts#Montenegrin_language

Please participate in discussion. Rave92 (talk) 11:37, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Human Rights Believer
He is blocked for 12 hours. All his edits should be reverted. --Tadija (talk) 12:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. For that kind of WP:DE 12 hours is less then minimum. --Tadija (talk) 12:11, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Ha, ha! 24 hours! Blocking admin is a king! --Tadija (talk) 12:13, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * What? But that was false! I reverted twice? Dont worry! :) --Tadija (talk) 12:24, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * HAHAHAHAha! Kralju! -Tadija (talk) 12:27, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Indefinite block --Tadija (talk) 13:49, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Usually best to use rollback (if you have it) when you see vandalism.
Often, the little shits have been doing it for a while before anyone notices. Half Shadow  03:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * First you have to ask for it; you'll probably be given it if you're a trustworthy editor, so it's more of a formality. Rollback reverts every edit done by a specific IP (provided nobody else has edited since), so it can take out multiple bad edits by a single user. Just make sure you use it for vandalism only; using rollback for edits 'you don't like' or anything like that will get your permission revoked. Half  Shadow  03:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

WP:MNE
Sideshow Bob 12:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the thing is that the project itself became pretty inert, since many of its members, even the ones who started it (I am sure you remember CrnaGora and PaxExuilibrium) are now obviously inactive/retired. So I am basically trying to collect a few editors who are active on Montenegro-related articles, so we can make this a decent wikiproject and somehow organize our efforts towards expanding the information related to this country on wikipedia. I am absolutely open for suggestions and any help from your side will be appreciated. Cheers. Sideshow Bob 12:37, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Unite E Eu
http://www. petitiononline .com/uniteeeu/petition.html 99.236.221.124 (talk) 17:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Sock
Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring

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Sockpuppet investigation -
 * Thank you, Evlekis! You are quite a friend! It is good that vandal has been blocked quickly, so didn't vandalized a lot, but i am sure that we will see him even more in the future... At the end, he is not so smart, so it is easy to locate him! :) :) :)
 * Anyway, whenever you need help, advice, or wiki-friend, i am here! :)

Seve
She comes from a mixed marriage, in former Yugoslavia you had plenty of them. Her father's surname is Vuckovic, that's typical Serbian surname, but her name is Croatian. So she has both Croat and Serb origins. She also has a big sympathy towards Serbia, these days you can barely find a few Croats who like Serbia. She even said that she sang Serb song when she was a little girl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Verbatimdat (talk • contribs) 22:07, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Response on your talkpage. Евлекис 23:46, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Your request for rollback
Hi. After reviewing your request for rollback, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback: If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see New admin school/Rollback. I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing!  F ASTILY  (T ALK ) 00:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
 * Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
 * Rollback should never be used to edit war.
 * If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
 * Use common sense.

Re:Rollback
-  F ASTILY  (T ALK ) 01:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Congrats on rollback! Nice work! :) Tadija (talk) 23:18, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Tadija (talk) 23:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Ha, ha, i tried to revert IP on Breakup of Yugoslavia, when i received info that revert is impossible, as in the same second, User:Evlekis reverted same edit! Can you believe?! This is first time i saw this notification? :) :) --Tadija (talk) 22:51, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi
I'm not new to wikipedia, I've just made a new account. The section I removed was removed because to have an entry on imageboard it's been established you have to have some kind of third party source as proof that your site is notable. I referenced this in my edit summary, which you should probably read when somebody makes one, it'll help keep your reverts constructive. Thanks. Chewwy225 (talk) 22:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Country of birth?
There is a question regarding Wikipedia policy on listing the country of birth, so I guess you're likely to know the answer... :-) Please leave your comment at User_talk:GregorB. Thanks! GregorB (talk) 19:54, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment... Unfortunately, I'm not sure if my message to Fajberglass got across, so you might as well keep an eye on those articles. GregorB (talk) 08:05, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Tadijataking 09:43, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Neutraliza
Ha, ha, he is neutral again!! You where right! :) -- Tadijataking 21:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)