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Attack against Mehmed Ali Pasha
The wording I used throughout the article was established during the DYK review, so please don't introduce another wording. After all, it is irrational to introduce a name that wasn't used by the organization (it reminds me of your League of Peja views) in any way and wasn't even common or official in that era. That being said, I did inform you of the review and also per WP:BRD you shouldn't try to introduce that wording again.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 21:39, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Unacceptable editing
You have been here long enough top know that this personal attack on a new and inexperienced editor is unacceptable. You also know that removing another editor's talk apge comments, as you did here is unacceptable. You even had the nerve to complain about both personal attacks and removing talk page comments at AIV, when you must have been aware that you had recently done precisely those two thing. Any continuation of such disruptive editing may lead to an immediate block. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:27, 8 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your message on my talk page about this, in which you make it clear that your edit was not intended as a personal attack, as I thought. I have given a more detailed reply on my talk page. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:58, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Nat. agenda
I need your fine editing here and here. Please, add all of the great neutral things you added in the other article. Some editors will obviously never edit in a normal way, and i cannot stand national vandalism anymore. Just look at this. Is that the most important thing about that subject? I cannot answer to that amount of pov push anymore. -- WhiteWriterspeaks 00:16, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The POV from Bobrayner is getting worse and worse. Some months ago I really believed this was a neutral editor. Be that as it may, facts are simple to prove. From FRY period there were separate Serbian-Montenegrin police divisions but a central army. So if citing police it is fine to say Serbian as the so-called 'sources' acknowledge this themselves (eg. they'll say Serbian police/Yugoslav forces on same line). What a crazy thing to argue about, it seems nobody is disputing the content but simply trying to drag one nation's name in the dirt and they will do this at the expense of facts. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 01:02, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. That was, all this time, as it looks like, his only idea. I thought that i am only one who sees that. -- WhiteWriterspeaks 10:15, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, the sources seem to be quite definite on term use, however, Evlekis and WW you can report bobrayner to AE if he's so disruptive. Personally, I still don't know why don't want the term "Serb", which is used predominantly by the sources to be used.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 19:36, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I have nothing against Bobnrayner. If you cannot distinguish between accurate and inaccurate sources, then I can't help you I'm afraid. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 20:50, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
WhiteWriterspeaks 20:55, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hehe, i actually never send you an e-mail, so i dont have an address. :) -- WhiteWriterspeaks 21:30, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation
Hello, Evlekis. Thanks for your report at Sockpuppet investigations/Sinbad Barron. I have looked at it, as you requested, and I have blocked the sockpuppet account, and requested a checkuser in case of more sockpuppets. You didn't open the sockpuppet investigation case properly. I have corrected it now, but, in case you ever wish to open a sockpuppet investigation case again, I thought it best to let you know. It is not good enough to just edit the existing SPI page, for various reasons, most importantly because doing so does not list the case at Sockpuppet investigations, so nobody is likely to know that the case is there, and nobody will deal with it. Since you told me about it, I came and looked at it, but I might not have been available. Also, when I had done that, if I hadn't also realised your mistake and corrected it, then it would now not be listed at Sockpuppet investigations for a checkuser, so no checkuser would deal with it. For future reference, the way to open an SPI case is to go to Sockpuppet investigations, scroll down the section headed "To open a case:" and follow the instructions. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:17, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Persecution of Serbs and other non-Albanians in Kosovo
Hello Evlekis. First I want to tell you that I have a lot of respect from you and I very appreciate your work on Wikipedia etc. I understand what you want to say to me and I am usually agree with your proposal, better, I must be agree with you, although i am not really happy with this bro. I thought, better I think, if we do not mentioned all this events, all the pressure on the Serbs etc. who happened continously especially since 1999, I things it could not be really represent the situation if we delete some or such things. This what happen there is unique in Europe, an this in modern times. Organized attacks on children, destroyed graves, pressure in all systems in day life, drive-by-shooting, car bombs, destroyed churches, rocket attacks, etc. I thing to delete all this is not really OK, and I see in other examples that such things are mentioned on Wikipedia. Why is not allow to mentioned this there on WP? This things happen and is a slowly progrom. There are probably more than 1,000 victims of such systematic persecution since 1999, also daily assaults or repression on different ways. A lot of things who are not mentioned on this page, and who I should to know if is in your opinion right or wrong? I still do not understand how the text would have to be written about the returnees who wher murdered. The goverment condemned it sharply, the International media have written about this etc. and this not because it was a normal murder with criminal backgrounds. Yes its true, that over the years it has become like a shopping list with new cases added every time it is reported that a non-Albanian has been a victim of crime, but we must be honest, this things happen there, an this within Europe, and you and i know that this not happen because of crime reason. This all ar enot normal or usually criminal events. I know that in the real world there is a criminal fraternity everywhere among every ethnicity and horrible things happen, thats true and sad. I know also that all have two sides or even more, and this page showed only the other side of the war ect. I think Non-Albanians have also the right for a voice and opinion like the Albanians. So, what should we do?Thank you--Nado158 (talk) 18:51, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Mhhh, It makes sense to me Evlekis.--Nado158 (talk) 19:30, 14 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I restored the discussion of your proposal to the main AfD page as I believe it forms part of the discussion and should be obvious to the closing admin rather than having no mention of it on the main page and them having to stumble across it. There is no way for them to know it is there, I also object to having my comments refactored or moved without my agreement. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 07:03, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I believed I was doing the correct thing in moving it to talk. If you think it is better on the main page then fine. Regarding your contributions, I don't cater for single individuals and if I consider it appropriate to make bold moves then I refuse to leave bits of it behind to suit the odd person. So, concerning your objections with me, I suggest you take the matter to admins. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 09:20, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

There's a new user who devastated the page and the work of all users.--Nado158 (talk) 11:13, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Mark my words Nado, that's not a new user, it's somebody's friend among the denialists. Think about it, if you want an article deleted it cannot be because you think a small part of it really belongs on the page otherwise you contradict your own viewpoint. So what is the best option? Trim away slice by slice and provide a summary why this is no good, that is no good. What are you left with? An empty article! What does that mean? It should be deleted! And of course, you would never do this from your own precious account would you! So you either log in as someone else or you actually deploy another person to do the dirty deed. You should have cancelled his contributions in one fell swoop. Not to worry, I can't see that account lasting long. It has been taken to AN/I by one of his own kith and kin. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 14:17, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You are right. Thank you very much!--Nado158 (talk) 16:48, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I can not understand why you removed the part about Vetëvendosje!??? Of course they are against Serbs ect., and because of this you removed? I can understand? Besides this, not every demonstrant was also a member of them.--Nado158 (talk) 17:16, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Because I never looked at the source I took it that this was Vetëvendosje! and ethnic Serbs. Generally these are Albanians that feel discriminated by the Kosovan regime. If you replace it, I don't mind. Sorry to have acted boldly. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 23:39, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Should I now reset this after your opinion? I think that it might be important? Thank you--Nado158 (talk) 09:38, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course, I don't object. Sorry I'd forgotten, I thought you already replaced it. Thanks Nado. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 19:12, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!--Nado158 (talk) 20:39, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Evlekis. I know about this incident. I've thought about this incident and I think it should be added because this event has occured. I am very sure that I can finde good sources among them from Germany, Austria and Switzerland. I may do well to remember that I have read it in German, and it was described similar. What sources should I try to get in your opinion? or describe what exactly? I'm sure there are enough sources describe enough. I can look and see what we can use it? What do you say? If you agree? Besides this, I have to tell you that unfortunately I will likely be blocked . I can not understand, but there it is. Until then, i will worke in frame of wikipedia rules. Thanks!--Nado158 (talk) 21:28, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll need time to check that. The source has a date of publication but none for incidents. The other thing is that it lists more than one case. I'll get onto it as soon as I can. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 22:00, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

I am been suspended for one year. I would like to continue working with you, but I can not more.You are doing a very good job, go on with this. If I can help you with something, you can ever write me. Thank you for all. My respect and best wishes to you and yuur family.--Nado158 (talk) 20:46, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Edits at Arbitration Enforcement
Please remember that the result section is for administrators only (as the notice This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. notes at the beginning of the section) and that you need to post comments to "Comments by others about the request concerning Nado158". I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=539549266&oldid=539548879 moved your comment to the appropriate section]. Thank you, -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  23:14, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * DQ I thank you for the information and apologise for the error. Apart from not being wholly familiar with that project page and its directives, the section has become very long and it is painful for the eyes to have to read the entire novel from preface to appendix. I will know for next time, regards. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 23:19, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Double standards for names in Kosovo articles
How come Ivica Dacic can't have the name in Albanian also when born in Kosovo and Arta Dobroshi should have the name in Serbian also? Both were official languages in Kosovo at the time. I call double standards. You are making up these rules on the fly and there is nothing fair about them. --Arianit (talk) 23:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Alas Arianit, I only wish it were that simple. Believe me if I had it my way that is how it would have been. In the SFRY you had, as you know, six republics plus the two autonomous provinces. Within the two provinces there were a number of official languages, Albanian as you know for Kosovo and a handful for Vojvodina. Languages such as Albanian had pride of place in that there was broadcasting in that tongue, state literature published in it and education was also provided up to fifth or sixth academic year. However Albanian was not a compulsory language in Kosovo, not to the degree that Slovene was in Slovenia. To have been a citizen in that republic you will have had to have education in both Slovene and Serbo-Croat. I doubt any non-Albanian from the SFRY period would know how to speak Albanian apart from those in the process of becoming assimilated such as the Ashkali. I have never known of Albanian being a language of Dačić and we know he will never have had to learn it. Be that as it may, other editors besides me would remove it on this principle if you were to restore it. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 23:49, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Boge, Kosovo
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Open paragraph help
Hi, I noticed you commented on the Rita Ora talk page regarding WP:OPENPARA a while back. I would really appreciate it if you could please take the time to offer a third party opinion to help resolve a similar issue on this talk page so consensus could be reached, thanks. Tanbircdq (talk) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tanbircdq, I've made a contribution to the talk page and shall keep watch for developments. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 05:54, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Evlekis, thanks for your contributions on the talk page to help resolve the issues raised. Let me know if I can return the favour for you, take care. Tanbircdq (talk) 00:40, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Any time! Glad to have been of help even if limited. Likewise let me know if similar discussions are taking place. Regards. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 00:51, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism, and naming disputes.
Hi, this looks like a dispute over naming. Just another day in the Balkans; not vandalism. Please don't bite new editors by labelling good-faith edits as vandalism; you should know better. bobrayner (talk) 23:57, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The procedure I have hitherto used is correct, I don't know on what basis you derive the term WP:BITE because I only carried out two actions. First was the automatic revert of the user's contribution and second came the talk page message which was - contrary to your judgement - an automated L2 warning, not my own words. The message which followed was what the template did not include which is that it is improper to claim vandalism where it is not the case. I did not accuse the new user of vandalism and he has been issued with a soft warning. Now provided he does not go reverting editors with the claim of 'vandalism' in the summary I see no problems for the user. I hereby contend that there is no conventional method which would have better handled this scenario. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 00:13, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Btw if you keep reintroducing unsourced content in articles admin intervention will be asked.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 12:00, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Nothing new for you, you seem to like dramafest. Collate your evidence and off you go. In the meantime, since you're so fond of policy, I will remind you that you do not WP:OWN any article, not even the ones your started. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 18:21, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I don't WP:OWN any article. Btw yesterday I told you to not engage in edit-warring which you did against 3-4 different users, thus admin intervention has been asked-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 18:36, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Agnesa Vuthaj
Evlekis, Vuthaj is Miss Albania. Based on what wikipolicy, do you want the name for Miss Albania in the Serbian language? I'm really curious to know. Guzhinjeri (talk) 19:58, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Perons regardless of ethnicity to have been born in or to have spent a significant portion of their life in a country where their name is rendered differently have this name format as part of their biographical portfolio. It doesn't matter whether you are Vlach from Greece, Turkish from Bulgaria or German from Russia. At attempt to purge Albanian subjects of Slavic titles failed [Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Former Yugoslavia naming conventions here], please read it. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 20:11, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You are edit-warring. On top of that you are removing 9 references from Bajram Curri. I will report you if you don't revert yourself there. This is my warning. Guzhinjeri (talk) 20:29, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I will get straight onto Bajram Curri once I am finished with the other pieces. My last edit will contain the summary 'complete' and on that, all sources shall be restored. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 20:31, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * This is not how you edit. You removed the references and then you said there are no references. I am disappointed. Please revert yourself and leave the references, and then you can go back and make your edits. Guzhinjeri (talk) 20:36, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

✅. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 20:38, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

The name in notes
How would you feel about me cleaning the articles to present a page similar to Kazimir Malevich? If you look at the notes, you see a cluster of languages added for various reasons but all away from the LEDE. I'll see to it if you agree. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 21:45, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I find that reasonable and I'll agree to it. The name in Serbian for an Albanian individual makes the reader think the individual is of Serbian ethnicity. Your proposal has good care to make the hurried user not be misinformed, and also the more careful user to find full information. In good faith I requested that my report in ANI be removed.Guzhinjeri (talk) 21:49, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Guzhinjeri, I will get straight onto it. By the way, it was never my intention to make Hungarians look ethnic Serb, or Albanians to look Macedonian. I realise that this is how it can be interpreted when a translation is too close to the headword. Thanks also for the AN/I removal, much appreciated. I hope we can work well in future even if Balkan nature is such that we are likely to end up on opposing sides. In the meantime, thanks for the reasonable approach and I will now start fixing the pages in question. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 21:58, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Please remove the "ius sanguini" and "ius soli", those have nothing to do with our transliteration. We are not talking about the right of land here. Btw the right of land means that in that land will be always spoken in Serbian? That would be POV. See what I did with Bardhyl Çaushi and follow that example. Guzhinjeri (talk) 22:09, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

✅. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 22:11, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

March 2013
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for your disruption caused by edit warring and violation of the three-revert rule&#32;at Bardhyl Çaushi. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text below this notice, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 21:03, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I will let another administrator make the final decision on this unblock request, but would like to ask you some questions:


 * If you are unblocked on the basis of the above promise, will you accept the consequences (including longer blocks) of breaking said promise?
 * Would you be willing to restrict yourself to a 1RR editing restriction? ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 21:47, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I have a question for ItsZippy. Given the interaction analyzer results is it possible to treat reverts Evlekis as some kind of 3RR exemptions?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:59, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes to both points by Zippy. I'll be pleased. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 21:59, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Antidiskriminator, thanks for the vote of confidence. I don't assume ownership of articles for simply having made more contributions and those are new editors. Also it was only Arianit with whom I had the major dispute. With Guzhinjere it was minor plus it was resolved via consensus with the current revision (on that topic) as he last left it. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 22:23, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Right on. Evlekis is logging on from a different computer! Still, as long as you are blocked you are out of harm's way. Serves you right pushing your nationalism. Keithstanton (talk) 10:09, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, despite the fact that Evlekis and I usually have significant differences of opinion on Balkans-related articles, I have generally found him to be fairly measured and at least willing to examine his own conduct to some extent. I would support early lifting of the block IF he agrees to the 6 month 1RR restriction. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 13:03, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Peacemaker, I'm only human but I will indeed try my best. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 14:17, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Eshref Ademaj
The article has gone through the DYK review, thus it has been determined by a neutral editor that it has been written per the policies. That being said, you can't change "Serb" to Yugoslav just because you don't like it. If you read Kostovicova "Acceptance of Serbian terms for education was a precondition for Albanians to access education facilities...Uniformity of national action was inspired not only by defiance to the Serbian policy" i.e nothing about Yugoslavia, Yugoslav policy etc. As for the name if it doesn't appear on sources it's made up. In fact, the idea you have that names of people holding Yugoslav citizenship were publicly written during that era in Yugoslav naming forms is dead wrong for lack of a stronger term. As a quite known mathematician throughout Yugoslavia, Ademaj used to be an editor of an academic journal called "Glasnik Matematicki" and his name on all the issues appears as "Eshref Ademaj". They're all uploaded on google books if you want to check the name.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 06:21, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * In a word, the comment above from top to bottom is bullshit. The settlement name is Žur whether you like it or not. All persons born in Serbia during Yugoslavia possessed documentation with their names rendered in Serbo-Croat/Serbian and this in turn never rendered Albanian /sh/ the same way, least of all in Cyrillic. Serbia in the 1990s was part of FR Yugoslavia whether you like it or not and given that unilateral measures conducted by any Serbian authority were sanctioned from the very top and implemented for the purpose of state security, your qualms concern the FRY. You need to stop promoting the falsehood that Serbia and Montenegro were independent of each other and the post-1996 split in internal relations rendered all domestic and international activity as "Serb", because that is super WP:OR. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 17:36, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * If that is your reasoning against sources then I'll have to ask for some admin intervention.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 19:12, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Magistri matematike 1969/1970. godine--Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:09, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * With Albanian not being a language of mine beyond some basics, I'm not generally up to scratch with the tongue. I see from the list that all names are presented in Serbo-Croat Latinic. The one I am most sure of is in the 1982/83 list: Zejnulahu Abdulah. I believe that to be an ethnic Albanian, he could have originated from anywhere: west Macedonia, Kosovo, Preševo valley or areas of Montenegro. Now if I am not mistaken, the correct Albanian spelling would be Zejnullahu as the /ll/ most closely resembles the /l/ of most languages, while the single Albanian /l/ is like the Serbo-Croat /lj/ or Italian /gl/, someone I know called Ilas told me this, his name pronounced Iljas. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 23:08, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello!
I am back! My god, a lot happened in the mean time. I dont know what happened, i was not near computer then! I changed my password, obviously someone entered! I really dont know what happened, i never saw this on wikipedia before! my god, very bad! -- WhiteWriterspeaks 11:40, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I knew it was out of character for you! I believe you every word and sometimes we have to give people the benefit of the doubt. Welcome back anyhow! Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 14:30, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

VJ/MUP/Serb/Yugoslav
Hey Evlekis,

Thanks for the message! I've been on the trot recently so to speak and I'd love to contribute any way that I can. Hope you're well. Epeos (talk) 16:34, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

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