User talk:EvoSwatch

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Equipment of the Indonesian Air Force
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Indonesian Air Force
Hello. Stop spamming reflinks to "Indomiliter.com", it isn't a reliable source per Wikipedia's rules, and can not be used as reference. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 09:55, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Tom. If wikipedia deemed Indomiliter as unreliable, i disagree in fact i think they are one of the most reliable sources that is open to the public, as they actually have cooperation with Military officials and defense industries, they also have reporters, interviews, and videos. But, Okay i give up its Wikipedia, its their rule. I Yield. But i do hope there is an Indonesian admin to manage Indonesian pages on Wikipedia, that way its easier to communicate between Indonesians. --EvoSwatch (talk) 12:41, 14 July 2019 (UTC)-
 * "Indomiliter.com" seems to a large extent to be a user generated site, and thus not reliable per Wikipedia's rules. And it definitely does not trump "World Air Forces" from Flight International, which is what we use for all air forces here. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 12:34, 14 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Well… the more you know. --EvoSwatch (talk) 12:39, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

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August 2019
Hello, I'm Samf4u. I noticed that you made a change to an article, North American P-51 Mustang, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Samf4u (talk) 12:57, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Samf4u forgive me for my lack of skill here in Wikipedia, i have added a source to the page, sorry for not adding it on the first place. EvoSwatch (talk) 15:26, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

User:EvoSwatch/sandbox


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Problems citing sources?
Re: this, can you tell me what the problem was? I'd like to help you and collaborate on West Papua articles. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:13, 18 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for helping me, it must be my internet. It has been fixed now. Thank you for reaching out to me, sorry for the late reply. -EvoSwatch (talk) 05:21, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of List of Indonesian national songs


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 * The page should not be deleted because it doesn't copy the page from https://brainly.co.id/tugas/7571206. This page is a translation of the Indonesian page https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daftar_lagu_nasional_Indonesia. The page from brainly was created on 27, September 2016. While the Indonesian page was created on 22, March 2007. If you look at the page on 14, September 2016 the page already looked like the brainly one, but it took almost two weeks after it for the brainly one to be created. I think it would be fair to assume its the Brainly one that copied the Wikipedia, not the other way around. EvoSwatch (talk) 04:21, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

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 * Hey Diannaa i'm sorry for not doing it, i forgot about it. I have to admit the page it self was a half-copy of the original however i've edited some parts and added new parts on my own on some. History and Ships of Class are copied but the infobox, and first paragraph are not exact copy. But thank you for reminding me. Sorry for the inconvenience. --EvoSwatch (talk) 14:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Ways to improve List of Indonesian national songs
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Edits on Raymond Westerling
Hi EvoSwatch, I was looking up the Raymond Westerling article and I notice some edits you made last fall are just copy and pasted from the source article (at the bottom of the Accusation of War crimes section). I think this is a good source to add but you should definitely summarize them in your own words when doing so, not just copy and paste two paragraphs.--Dan Carkner (talk) 14:56, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah my bad, i was being lazy about it. I'll see what i can do, thanks for notifying me. --EvoSwatch (talk) 00:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem.Dan Carkner (talk) 03:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Stop vandalising the page with unsourced numbers, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitesin21 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Whitesin21. You can't just delete my comment on your talk page only for you to make one in a different topic! That is not how this works. That being said i did use sourced numbers as i have explained over and over again but it was you and another individual that insisted in using the incorrect data from an incorrect filter. All i did is corrected the numbers as the filter says. YOU and the other person is the one Vandalising the page. NOT me. EvoSwatch (talk) 10:59, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok first of all, stop being so hostile, like I said, you are free to change it if you have the right numbers and sources, no one is stopping you, I do not know why you are so aggressive, and I am pretty sure you were vandalising it from the beginning because I saw other users fixing it. but like I said if you have the correct numbers then go ahead and change it, but do not attack me for vandalising because I am completely sure about my sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitesin21 (talk • contribs) 16:06, 17 October 2021 (UTC)


 * How am i the hostile and aggressive one? For months now i have been telling it nicely, even in details. When that didn't work i tried to start a talk e.g. in your page but you know what you did? You removed my comment and start commenting on my talk page that isn't even related to the topic. Somehow i'm the bad one? I'm not vandalising the page whatsoever, all i did is input the correct data using again as i said many times before by now use the filter. Your sources are indeed correct but its how you use it that isn't correct. All you have to do just assign the regions and set the date and you are set its really not that difficult. I have been trying to tell you and the other person this for months. You can't just pull a "gotcha card" on me and accused me of the one vandalising. That being said i respect you took time and effort to actually initiate talk with me and for that i have to say Thank You and i hoped for more and better communication in the future. EvoSwatch (talk) 02:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

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Army specific uniform
According to perpang no.11/2019, branch specific uniform for the army is "PDL NKRI", unofficially known as "loreng NKRI" (basically a pixelated DPM camo). Please note that as subordinate of commander of armed forces, Army high command cannot issue a regulation that override regulation from higher authority.

But recently Army issue new camo pattern that was called "loreng angkatan darat" (basically a multicam camo with more green hue), and there's no change on perpang no.11/2019. So how the Army get away with this? simple actually... Army can just discontinue the old loreng NKRI and said that the name of new camo is "loreng NKRI" or "PDL NKRI" as stated on the following source 1 2. So, by doing so the Army didn't override commander of armed forces regulation since there is "no changes" in the eye of regulation. Hence, I suggest to revert your edit again since there is "no changes".

Also, the term of "loreng malvinas" is unofficially used (I am fully aware the history of this term), better to remove this as well. I hope you can understand my rationale to revert your edit. Ckfasdf (talk) 23:49, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, understandable but i still thinks its not named as NKRI camo. I'll wait for more information on this. I will revert the changes, Thanks. EvoSwatch (talk) 01:20, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

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List of flags of Indonesia
Hi EvoSwatch,

You have recently undone my edit to the page List of flags of Indonesia. I changed the status of the South Moluccas flag from (Historical) to (Ongoing), just as it is under the Papua flag. The free Maluku movement is still very much ongoing and so is it's Flag. Calling it historical sounds very demeaning and supressive. One visit to Ambon on April 25th will show you just how ongoing it is. Also, the flag should not be under ..terrorist groups. Like come on, seriously? At least make another row of flags where you include flags of movements which aren't terrorist like the free Maluku movement and the free Papua movement for example. Putting them under terrorist delivers the wrong message to the world, who'll believe everything they read on the most reliable online encyclopedia.

Have a nice day and ofcourse,

Mena Muria! Ada910 (talk) 20:45, 17 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi,
 * To my knowledge, that specific flag is indeed Historical as they have a newer flag since 2010-ish. As for the movement also to my knowledge the government in exile is no longer considering independence as a priority and 'fine' with Moluccas under Indonesian rule as long as natives Moluccas holds the office position. As for independence movement in the South Maluku itself is really very much historical with some exception such as the FKM but even that has been pretty much mostly dormant for almost 2 decades now. The other notable events is the 3 people waving RMS flags in 2020 but its so miniscule that It hardly counts imho, the signing of the Malino II Accord pretty much ends the whole separatist movement in South Maluku officially, similar to the Helsinki MoU ends the GAM in Aceh. Sure in 2022 we still get one or two image/video of individuals declaring 'Free Aceh' and 'No Indonesia' on the internet and went viral but it doesn't mean the actual movement is ongoing. In the Netherlands its also significantly less eventful compared to the Cold War era. I will not change the status, however I did add "in exile" note. Thanks for notifying me.
 * - EvoSwatch (talk) 04:59, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for changing it. As for the newer flag that you mention, i don't think it is very official. The government in exile still officially uses the vertical blue white green red flag. In the south moluccas they still wave that one as well as in the Netherlands. 99% of South Moluccan people will still tell you that the wish for independence is very much alive, but ofcourse people don't see it 'happening' because there are no violent events happening like in the late 90's. I can tell you that the movement is ongoing, as the government in exile is not doing nothing (for example talks with the dutch government), but i would say that the movement is more happening in the Netherlands instead of the South Moluccas itself. And about the malino II accord, it frankly is not holy. People of the south moluccas are still being exploited which has led to protests and campaigns in the Netherlands. In my opinion a seperatist movement is a movement where a party thats part of a bigger party wants to leave this party and start their own independed one. This idea is still out there for the South Moluccan people and still being strived for. I think that a seperatist movement of such, is ongoing. Even if there only were like 10 people that were taking small action. Ada910 (talk) 14:42, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

List of equipment of the Indonesian Air Force
Do not remove properly sourced information without giving a reason for doing so. Without a valid reason, your edits will be reverted, and if you continue to make these changes you will be blocked from editing the page. SurferSquall (talk) 15:03, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey @SurferSquall, thanks for reaching out to me. But I think this discussion should be continued in Talk:List of equipment of the Indonesian Air Force. EvoSwatch (talk) 15:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

World Air Forces registry
I understand your point about WAF not being the “end all be all”, but it is also the newest source cited on the page, and that carries heavy weight. If you have a better source that is newer than the WAF 2023 page, please do add it. SurferSquall (talk) 00:11, 28 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Evo, sorry to jump into discussion. IMO, WAF is just another reference, it's quality is not better or less than any other reference, also it is not infallible. There are some instance that we agree to not use WAF such as 1, 2 and 3. Ckfasdf (talk) 10:21, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No, please. Feel free to jump in anytime, anyone is welcomed. And yes I agree with you, while I generally use WAF too from time to time, to rely on a single source of a annually updated surface level registry, mistakes will happen sooner or later. EvoSwatch (talk) 12:02, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * My issue is with the dates of reference. If WAF is newer than other provided references, its information is more up to date than those sources. SurferSquall (talk) 18:46, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The issues on WAF is that sometime they don't really update their inventory. I suggest you to look up previous version of WAF and see the difference. Ckfasdf (talk) 23:44, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * They don't update it, because nothing has changed. SurferSquall (talk) 00:48, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Or they make mistakes. Afterall, WAF editors are human too. Ckfasdf (talk) 04:32, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, if WAF has a mistake, you need to put in the article a source that supports the correct number. SurferSquall (talk) 17:30, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Stop
 PLEASE STOP  removing reliably sourced content as you have done on List of equipment of the Indonesian Air Force. Do not continue to edit disruptively as you may be permanently blocked from editing the page. SurferSquall (talk) 03:22, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Please stop spamming new sections in my talk page unnecessarily, the talkpage previously provided and aforementioned is suffice. Thanks. --EvoSwatch (talk) 05:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Last I checked, warns belong in new sections. SurferSquall (talk) 00:24, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, last I checked I'm not the one "editing disruptively" or "vandalizing" if anything I'm the one keeping the status-quo. Last I checked, the "warnings" are baseless and downright incorrect. Last I checked you have neither the authority nor the proper reasons to "block" me from editing in the first place. Last I checked attempting to gaslight or threaten other editors is wrong, and yet here we are. Last I checked everything in the wikipage was already sourced and cited, and last I checked I have gave you additional sources and citations telling you are wrong and here is how you are wrong. Thank you for reaching out though, have a good day.
 * Sincerely - EvoSwatch (talk) 06:40, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The four sources you gave me do not disprove the F-15 or KF-21 orders at all yet you continue to claim they do. Show me a source that says on clear wording that neither the F-15 or the KF-21 are on order. I’ll wait. SurferSquall (talk) 16:14, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You are trolling, you have to be trolling at this point.
 * "Then we also hope that in the near future we can also complete the acquisition contract for the F-15 for our air force"
 *  'Under the conditions of the joint KF-21 development project, PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI, Indonesian-aircraft Industries) was to receive one prototype of the aircraft for testing and research.
 * There is no other reason, either that or you don't even bother to read the given citations. EvoSwatch (talk) 04:02, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Notability on 3rd and 6th Air Wing
Hi.. I notice that you recently create 3rd Air Wing (TNI AU) and 6th Air Wing (TNI AU). While, i am supporting new article on Indonesian military topics, it's just on those page may have notability issue per WP:SIGCOV. Afterall, most of (if not all) the references on those article rely on primary source. even as Indonesian myself, it's quite difficult to find references to those units. Ckfasdf (talk) 14:34, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, I understand. I would try to find and add other citations. EvoSwatch (talk) 15:49, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Commander of Army Strategic Reserves Command
If it is appropriate (I don't know the topic), you may wish to move Commander of Army Strategic Reserves Command to Commander of Army Strategic Reserve Command, and edit its text correspondingly, to match Army Strategic Reserve Command. Certes (talk) 15:54, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Noted. Wildo. Thanks for letting me know. - EvoSwatch (talk) 16:02, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Request for comment
Hi.. Do you mind to put your comment in Talk:Army Strategic Reserve Command. Thank you. Ckfasdf (talk) 03:57, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

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Revert of edit pertaining to role of IDAF in mass killings
I only just noticed that you'd reverted my edit saying that the IDAF was largely unimplicated in the Indonesian mass killings of 1965-1966. I inserted this based off of my reading of The Killing Season, and believe it is very much relevant to the page. The mass killings are an important (albeit underdiscussed) facet of Indonesian, and Indonesian military, history. Geoffrey Robinson is quite emphatic in his identification of Omar Dhani as a left-leaning force in the Indonesian state apparatus, and his leadership of the air force as informed by his left-wing sympathies. Air Force leadership (not just Dhani) embraced Sukarno's Fifth Force. Sukarno, Dhani, KPI Chair Aidit, and other anti-Suharto forces sought shelter at the Halim Perdanakusuma Air Base following G30S, etc. And here you go: "Air force units, because of their real or presumed leftist sympathies and purported involvement in the 30 September Movement, were kept out of the action and so played almost no role in the killings." (Robinson 133)

So, unless you fancy yourself a more well-read person on the Indonesian mass killings than Geoffrey Robinson, I see no reason for the revert. I will re-insert it, for the time being. Theodore Christopher (talk) 03:36, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Very well, but to clarify Dhani denied his involvement in the coup movement, and denied using Air Force grounds as base of operations for the movement.
 * Addendum: I think they being less involved in the Communist Purge is less to do with them being sympathizing, but more to do of them being an Air Force naturally have less members to do such operations, compared to Army and Navy (which has the Marine Corps). Not to mention that the Air Force was involved in operations against Communist militia both in Indonesia and abroad in Malaysia in the coming years after the coup movement. The Air Force also consistently denies having doubts of loyalty or siding with the movement, and insist to be loyal to the government.
 * "Indeed, during the screening of the film G 30 S/PKI, I received many complaints from Air Force seniors regarding this matter. I also pushed for the rectification of historical events at that time. However, this does not mean blaming something that actually happened. I am of the opinion that the AURI was not involved as a branch, but individual members of the AURI leadership at that time played a significant role (read the report "Commander of the Kohanud and Chief of Staff of the National Defense Command, Commodore Suyitno Sukirno").
 * EvoSwatch (talk) 04:56, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

JANGAN EDIT PINDAD SS2 LAGI
permisi, saya sudah melihat hasil suntingan anda terhadap artikel Pindad SS2 ini. namun saya akan mengkritik anda karena hasil suntingan yang anda paparkan membuat konteks menjadi berantakan. saya harap anda mengerti apa yang saya katakan kepada anda. mohon ditinjau kembali, terimakasih.

salam. 2001:448A:400A:49FF:9D73:5776:2878:AD4D (talk) 03:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Terlalu banyak foto. Antara digabungkan, atau dikurangi. Konteks apa yang menjadi berantakan? - EvoSwatch (talk) 03:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Dalam konteks penjelasan terhadap varian yang dipaparkan dalam artikel ini, apabila digabung maka dimungkinkan pembaca merasa kurang enak dalam membacanya. Apabila alasannya terlalu banyak foto, mungkin bisa dibuatkan satu kolom "Galeri" untuk meletakan gambar-gambar yang menurut anda terlalu banyak tersebut. Seperti artikel Pindad SS2 dalam Bahasa Indonesia, ada kolom tersendiri untuk gambar-gambar yang terkait.
 * Saya kira anda sudah mengerti maksud perkataan saya ini.
 * Salam. 2001:448A:4000:320E:956:660:B420:93CC (talk) 04:07, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Saya sudah melihat tampilan desktop maupun mobile dan tidak ada perubahan yang membuat konteks kurang enak dalam membaca, karena perubahan hanya dalam pengelompokkan foto-foto, dan tidak dengan kata-kata. - EvoSwatch (talk) 06:27, 22 December 2023 (UTC)