User talk:ExitControl

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Japanese Pali Canon
It was actually not me, but User:FWBOarticle who provided the information about translations of the Pali Canon. I asked about it, but I have no particular source of info on the subject. - Nat Krause 11:43, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I see. So I'll put the Canon on my wishlist so far.

Please do not make edits quickly on controversial, difficult subjects
privet, I saw that you are willing to contribute to all the cult/nrm related articles. That is fine and it is your right but I would like to ask you to slow down a bit and try to provide references for what you write. I mean, I really wrote some stupid things about these difficult subjects when I was new here. Pleas do not do the same because it can give other contributors a lot of work. Thanks. Andries 21:23, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

To many suspicious changes in cult
I reverted your edits because I think that the end result was worse than the old version. I suggest you start editing the following article user:Andries/drafts/cult Andries 19:08, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * It is a pity you reverted my edits. Anyway, thanks for the link. I will try to rewrite the article from scratch, then post to my own 'drafts' and invite you for critical analisys.

Please ExitControl
Please read what I wrote at Talk%3ACult and try to give a good rebuttal. Your edits show ignorance about the subject. Andries 18:15, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Well, I responded to your comments in talks. Currently the article looks like an anti-cult propaganda leaflet, while it pretends to offer various viewpoints. Adding such links in 'see also' is not helpful at all and contrary to NPOV. Sorry, Andries


 * Please do add alternative viewpoints but try not to remove contents. I do not think that I will have problems with that. Now you only remove good contents, in my view. Andries 18:49, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Actually I removed only about 10 links in "see also" and nothing more. But I will not edit the article for some time and then will post a draft first, as I said and invite criticism. But you could move those removed links elsewhere, of course. I suggest "new religious movements" and "anti-cult movement".

"See Also" links in "Cult Suicide"
I really don't see why you felt it was necessary to add derogatory epithets such as "Dirty Jew", "Dago" and "Communist Whacko" as links in the "See Also" list on the Cult suicide article. In future, I would avoid such vandalism if I were you. BigHaz 04:20, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * This is not vandalism. I believe other derogatory epithets are very relevant to "suicide cult" (also a derogatory epitheth). Actually I managed to complete only a "dirty jew" article, it later merged to anti-semitism.


 * And they are relevant how? "Suicide Cult" may not be the single greatest way of describing some/all of those groups, but there's a world of difference between that term and racial-based slurs. The fact that an article on "Dirty Jew" got merged with anti-semitism might suggest that. If you want to create a list of derogatory epithets and add "Suicide Cult" to it - go right ahead. In fact, I think there may well be such a list somewhere already, which will save you some work.

BigHaz 22:57, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * I think it depends on your viewpoint. "Suicide cult" is not a term, merely a combination of words. As "dirty jew" now redirects to anti-semitism, suicide cult should be redirected to "anti-cultism" or someting like that. You are probably right that adding extreme examples of derogatory words is unnecessary, but I will add a link to other derogatory epithets (a list, if it exists). (ExitControl)
 * I oppose merging and re-directing. As if the anti-cult movement invented suicides in cults. It is the other way round. One of the reasons why the anti-cult movement grew in influence was because of mass suicides. Andries 19:47, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Andries, sorry, but it seems that you are referring to redirect made by someone else. This is just my arguing and I will not make substantial modifications (if at all). BigHaz was referring to links I added. Anyway, whether we want it or not, mass suicide as a phenomena in religious movements is one thing and wide usage of snarl words is another and I merely object against the latter. (ExitControl)


 * So the point you're making is that "Suicide Cult" is just as derogatory a term as "Dirty Jew" or "Communist Whacko"? BigHaz 00:39, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes, probably less derogatory than "dirty jew", but nevertheless. While it is being correcly used in relation to religions that advocate suicides, it became a sticky label and is also used this way. I suggest to change the article name somewhat, to "suicide in cults".

I cut 1,000 triply-redundant words from new religious movement, cult and destructive cult and turned them into a new cult checklist article. --Uncle Ed (El Dunce) 18:12, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Your edits are of bad quality
ExitControl, I have seen quite a lot of your edits in cult related articles and I think they are generally of bad quality and unscholarly (excl. Aum Shinrikyo). I often understand the reason behind your edits but you try to insert your point of view in such an awkward way that you make the articles worse. By the way, I agree with your point of view to some extent. If you do not have the time to study books about the subject or do not have the writing skills then please confine yourself to the talk pages. Or ask Ed Poor to write for you. He shares many of your opinions on cults. I do not have the time and the patience to correct all your edits. Thanks Andries 21:31, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes, I pretty much agree with your assessment of my input to these articles, so I decided not to edit them further, since I realize now that I must either invest significant efforts into research before I make changes to the text or my edits will most likely make the article less informative than it was before (as already happened a number of times). The criticisms are deserved (ExitControl)

Unreferenced BLPs
Hello ExitControl! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 1 of the articles that you created  is tagged as an Unreferenced Biography of a Living Person. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. If you were to bring this article up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current Category:All_unreferenced_BLPs article backlog. Once the article is adequately referenced, please remove the unreferencedBLP tag. Here is the article:

Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 07:16, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Tomomitsu Niimi -