User talk:Expla

People's Park (Berkeley) edits and neutral point of view
Hello, I'm Artwhitemaster. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to People's Park (Berkeley) seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Please review WP:PROMOTION, which clarifies that Wikipedia is not a place for advocacy. Artwhitemaster (talk) 19:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, the information that has been posted on Wikipedia regarding Peoples Park was already very biased in favor of UC. I am trying to add less biased facts. Expla (talk) 20:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please review WP:YESPOV - articles should "avoid nonjudgmental language" and "present opinions and conflicting findings in a disinterested tone." Describing the protesters' struggle to keep the park as it as "a fight to save the park" is not neutral language: what does save mean? For example, supporters of the university could say that they are trying to "save" the park as well by building housing on it.
 * To describe the park as being "taken back by the community" is vague because it does not describe who or what "the community is", nor does it describe what "taking back" the park means; furthermore, it alludes to the idea that people in Berkeley, as a whole, unanimously opposed the university's plan to build housing on the plot of land in 1969 and unequivocally supported the establishment of a park on the site.
 * Wikipedia is not a place for advocacy and is a place to describe debates, not engage in them. Describing the park as being "taken back" and "saved" by one faction is participating in the debate rather than describing it. Please feel free to reply to this message. Artwhitemaster (talk) 20:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I appreciate the feedback and will try to do better. The "community" I spoke of are the people living in District 7, south Berkeley.
 * Out of curiousity, why is there no mention of the Police brutality that took place on January 3rd and 4th, 2024? Much of what is published seems biased to me. Expla (talk) 21:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The residents of District 7 are not a monolith; it is important to not generalize their opinions. Likewise, I'm sure there were many outside of that community that participated in resisting construction efforts.
 * The reason why there is no mention of the events that took place on those two days is because generally, articles try to avoid going into "too much detail" (WP:TMI) because of Wikipedia's notability guideline. Wikipedia is not a newspaper and does not aim to document a blow-by-blow of everything that happens at People's Park; rather, the article looks to cover the enduring notable events that shape People's Park. (WP:NOTNEWS)
 * For example, while something like Bloody Thursday is notable, as it had lasting effects (WP:LASTING) on the park, the protests on January 3rd and 4th did not have lasting effects on the park, nor did it "receive coverage beyond a short news cycle" (WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE).
 * Another point to mention is that the article is far from perfect. The Talk page of the article is where editors can discuss possible changes/problems with the article; I encourage you to raise your concerns there. Talk:People's Park (Berkeley)
 * Thank you for taking my comments in good faith. Please feel free to reply to this message. Artwhitemaster (talk) 22:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)