User talk:Extraordinary Machine/Archive 3

Another issue concerning User:Mel Etitis
Mel Etitis seems to have a blatant number of reasons for his opinion being the correct one. Judging by some of his edits in Cool (song), he insists that songs with remixes are spelled out the following...


 * "Cool" (album version)
 * "Cool" (Phoetex remix)

...over the correct form:


 * "Cool (Album Version)"
 * "Cool (Phoetex Remix)"

His behaviour is not one to clash with, and unfortunately, I've met with this fate. I'd really appreciate it if you could give me some advice. Mel Etitis is pushing my buttons with inaccurate edits. I apologize for continuously hounding you. --Hollow Wilerding 21:00, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, um, thanks for the advice? --Hollow Wilerding 22:04, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

About Smallville Credits
hi, i wonder, why are you doing this to Smallville? it took me months to complete that article with big effort, every single day i just revived a lonely article and now you just want to delete an article because you just want to do it? before setting up a deletion mark, just be decent and add a reason ok? then why not try puttin that deletion mark everywhere on wikipedia as you wish

why not do that to the OC page for example? be fair c'mon there won't be any copyright issues, the WB just wants to promote their series and we are helping giving information to everyone, that's Wikipedia about passing the knowledge to everyone...

--Charlie144 07:08, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Comment
I actually think it would be better and more organize if we separate the articles by albums instead of years just look at Madonna's page it's very neat and about Ashlee Simpson it would be better if you separate film and music and the controversies.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotwiki (talk • contribs) 08:48, 23 November 2005

About your cover image for Cool (song)
By the file name it appears to originate from Amazon. There is no clear policy about this, but personally I would recommend scanning an image yourself because even with fair use it is a commercial third vendor which can technically claim copyright on the jpg. If you can rescan it (because I don't have the single) then you would make it easier. IIRC Amazon had once been asked about using their images but couldn't give a positive or negative reply. Even though the image may originate from Interscope, it is not always the case for commercial vendors and often they have to create the images themselves, so you cannot say that it is from Interscope. It could very well be produced by amazon. My recommendation is please scan it yourself and replace the image to prevent any problems. KittenKlub 16:21, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I've checked the user out, but he doesn't seem to be online that much, so I made the statement in the Talk Page. I am still curious about this case, because it seems like the vendor has commercial interests since it's part of their business. KittenKlub 17:31, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Well you'll have to also address this to the user who placed the images on Hollaback Girl (who I am assuming is the above?). --Hollow Wilerding 21:02, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I do see, thanks. Also, I'd recommend that you archive your talk page. It's growing rather... long, for lack of a better word. --Hollow Wilerding 21:16, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Unless I've yet to see it, could you add the source from where you located the quote by Stefani on Cool (song)? Much appreciated, oh, and congratulations on November! :) –Hollow Wilerding 23:37, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * It's okay, we all make silly errors; could you add the source since you were the one who discovered it? Much appreciated, as always. –Hollow Wilerding 20:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Image:Janet Jackson Nude Sunbathing.jpg
Why did you tag this as no copyright info? It was clearly labeled as a screenshot from a film, which is fair use. This photo illustrates the section in the Janet Jackson article that describes a surreptitious film of Jackson taken by paparazzi. Firebug 23:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * No one knows who the copyright holder on this video is. Mainstream media (see ) discussed this video. As per MSNBC: "The exact source of the video and when it was shot was unclear. Photos taken at the same time popped up online last year." Thus, it is essentially impossible to provide more detailed information. Why would fair use depend on who the copyright holder is? Firebug 23:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Fair use requires "Proper attribution of the source of the material, and attribution of the copyright holder (if it is different) where possible". In this case, it is not possible, since no one knows who the copyright holder of the film is. Furthermore, your statement that it is necessary to write an essay for each photo explaining why it is fair use does not match Wikipedia practice. The explanation is already covered by the template; before viewing the photos uploaded by you, I have not seen a single fair use screenshot that met the criteria you outline. Look at almost any article that includes film, computer, video, or game screenshots, and these will all use the template as their explanation of fair use. Firebug 23:49, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * As an example, see all of the following:
 * Image:Star wars dvd cover.jpg
 * Image:Indiana.jpeg
 * Image:Pac-man.png
 * Image:Super Mario Bros box.jpg
 * These are all fair use images on important, high traffic articles. None of them justify fair use beyond the template. Nor are these anomalies. This is the norm. Please provide evidence that this is not acceptable practice on Wikipedia. Remember, policy is not set in stone; it is set by practice and consensus. Firebug 23:53, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Classic Rock
Hello. I was wondering if you would like to participate in my classic rock survey. I'm trying to find the most like classic rock song. There is more information on my user page. Hope you participate! 00:46, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Sources for Cool (song)
Good work there. Jkelly 18:03, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Check out Featured article candidates/The Waterboys for some irony; I wound up getting feedback of concern for using material from the American Academy of Poets and World Music: The Rough Guide. The comments were completely understandable, but I found it a little amusing in the context of disputes over what counts as a reliable source for Cool (song) and Hollaback Girl.  Jkelly 18:16, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

FAC/Marilyn Manson
Thanks for your input last month at Peer review/Marilyn Manson/archive1. The article benefited greatly from all of those comments, and it's now a Featured Article candidate. I would definitely appreciate your vote! -- keep sleep ing   say what  20:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I've addressed your objection. Thanks for voting. -- keep sleep ing   say what  23:00, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Some curious questions
Seeing as you were interested in contributing to Cool (song)'s featured article status, I was curious to know if you could quickly scan another Gwen Stefani single Hollaback Girl. Its nomination at FAC failed, and unfortunately, I myself can't seem to pick out any other edits that have to be made to the article. It would be appreciated on all levels.

Also, you seem to have yourself categorized as a "Wikipedian teenager". Are you really a teenager? Your behaviour and personality (from what I've gathered) could classify you as an adult in my book of life. &mdash;Hollow Wilerding 01:18, 3 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the web-link, and I suppose it is very cool to have teenagers editing on Wikipedia! :D &mdash;Hollow Wilerding 13:42, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Kelly Clarkson
Hi, thanks for your message to me about the edits made to Kelly Clarkson's page. I'm thinking of complaining to the powers that be of Wikipedia, because it is ungrammatical in English to write a title with only the first letter of the initial word and nouns in capitals, leaving the rest in lower-case letters, and titles of things such as books, songs, programmes etc. are supposed to use single quotation marks (' ') when italics are not available (i.e. in handwriting), but it is available on WIkipedia, and should be used.

I don't think the rules here have been really thought through very well, and seem to me to be in quite a mess.

Leon.

Mariah Carey references
Sure thing. I've got a bit of free time this afternoon, so I'll work on it and get back to you. Do you have any specific requests in mind? Like specific albums that should be reviewed, etc., or should I just try for a random assortment? Also, any preference for magazines like Entertainment Weekly over news print sources? --Spangineeres (háblame)  19:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * All done. Check the talk page, and let me know if you need anything else. --Spangineeres  (háblame)  21:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Mariah Carey "Striptease"
Thank you for your concerns over the passage. In fact, what I described is what happened. She merely took off her sweater, and had a top and hot pants undernearth. For some bizarre reason, people subsequently described this as a "striptease," when it was anything but. I addressed this by describing what precisely did happen, but at the same time, mentioning how those who reported it described it. In so doing, I addressed the fact that they reported it inaccurately, while still mentioning what they said. This did not involve any original research, since the sources I utilized were the actual broadcast and the descriptions people (like news outlets or commentators) gave on it. If you have any other questions about it, feel free to ask. :-) Thanks. Nightscream 17:53, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Curiosity again
I must be vexing you out of your spirits by now (and sorry if I am), however because of your participation in bringing "Cool" to featured article status (among others), I was wondering if you would like to edit Stefani's What You Waiting For? for featured status? It'd sort of be like a collaboration, and User:DrippingInk will be participating (despite his mirror past). I'll be awaiting your reply! &mdash;Hollow Wilerding 14:16, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Of course I do not take this personally. Your contributions on Wikipedia are excellent, regardless of the article you edit, so thank you nonetheless. Perhaps we could collaborate some other time. &mdash;Hollow Wilerding 16:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Administrators' rollback et al
Orane (do you mind if I call you that?), I just noticed this revert of yours on Mariah Carey, and I thought I'd tell you about something to do with the administrators' rollback feature. Per Revert, "Rollbacks should be used with caution and restraint. Reverting a good-faith edit may send the message that "I think your edit was no better than vandalism and doesn't deserve even the courtesy of an explanatory edit summary." It is a slap in the face to a good-faith editor; do not abuse it. If you insist on using the rollback feature for non-vandalism edits, be sure to explain on the talk page of the user whose edit(s) you reverted." I didn't think the edits were that great either, but just a simple edit summary explaining the revert goes very far; additionally, it means that Special:Recentchanges patrollers won't mistake the editor being reverted for a vandal. On an unrelated note, I read yesterday that somebody whom we both like received eight Grammy nominations, which is cool. :) Anyway, see you! Extraordinary Machine 21:54, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late reply, and no, I dont mind, please call me Orane (that's my name). As for the rollback, I apologise, I should have explained my reasons on that talk page (its just that I was rushing as I was late for work. Also, that rollback button causes one to become quite lazy :-). Anyway, I digress. I didnt mean to send the message that "your edit wasn't good enough", but I thought that the additions slightly disrupted the flow of the intro, especially the additions at the end of it. Wont happen again without a discussion first.


 * Yep, M.C has eight Grammy nods. Call me skeptical or mean, but I believe that Im just being realistic when I say she wont win any (or will receive two at most). She has never been a favourite of the Grammy voters (with good reasons). Hope you dont mind the long list, but here are my predictions for the wins in her categories (in bold):


 * Record Of The Year
 * We Belong Together (Mariah Carey)
 * Feel Good Inc. (Gorillaz)
 * Boulevard Of Broken Dreams (Green Day)
 * Hollaback Girl (Gwen Stefani)
 * Gold Digger (Kanye West)


 * Album Of The Year
 * The Emancipation Of Mimi (Mariah Carey)
 * Chaos And Creation In The Backyard (Paul McCartney)
 * Love. Angel. Music. Baby. (Gwen Stefani)
 * How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb (U2)
 * Late Registration (Kanye West)


 * Song Of The Year
 * Bless The Broken Road (Rascal Flatts)
 * Devils & Dust (Bruce Springsteen)
 * Ordinary People (John Legend)
 * Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own (U2)
 * We Belong Together (Mariah Carey)


 * Best Female Pop Vocal Performance
 * It's Like That (Mariah Carey)
 * Since U Been Gone (Kelly Clarkson)
 * Good Is Good (Sheryl Crow)
 * I Will Not Be Broken (Bonnie Raitt)
 * Hollaback Girl (Gwen Stefani)


 * Best Female R&B Vocal Performance
 * 1 Thing (Amerie)
 * Wishing On A Star (Beyoncé)
 * We Belong Together (Mariah Carey)
 * Free Yourself (Fantasia)
 * Unbreakable (Alicia Keys)


 * Best Traditional R&B Vocal Performance
 * Mine Again (Mariah Carey)
 * Summertime (Fantasia)
 * A House Is Not A Home (Aretha Franklin)
 * If I Was Your Woman (Alicia Keys)
 * Stay With You (John Legend)


 * Best R&B Song
 * Cater 2 U (Destiny's Child)
 * Free Yourself (Fantasia)
 * Ordinary People (John Legend)
 * Unbreakable (Alicia Keys)
 * We Belong Together (Mariah Carey)


 * Best Contemporary R&B Album
 * Touch (Amerie)
 * The Emancipation Of Mimi (Mariah Carey)
 * Destiny Fulfilled (Destiny's Child)
 * Turning Point (Mario)
 * O (Omarion)

Wow, sorry for the long list; It must be wasting your user page. Feel free to wipe everything out after reading, I wont mind. Oran  e    (t)   (c)   (e-mail)  15:53, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, Im sure that it will be very useful. I really want to sit and work on the article, but I have an Economics test on Wednesday, so I gotta go study. TTYL. Oran   e    (t)   (c)   (e-mail)  17:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Translated articles
I've seen that before on some Wikipedias - out of curiosity what is the point if only part of the article is translated and the content changes later on anyway? I always thought the message was to be written only when doing an entire translation. I'll add the template, but just curious. Mithridates 17:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Check the bottom of the page now. That's the same one I've seen the Interlingua Wikipedia use when doing the same thing. I assume that would be acceptable? Mithridates 17:25, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

KaDee Strickland
Congrats on mainpage! I remember voting for this article, which you had nominated for FAC, and was impressed by the amount written on such a little-known celebrity. Congrats to you, again! - Mys  e  kurity ( have you seen this? ) 04:28, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Agreed, congrats on it Extraordinary Machine. Of course, I'm not that much interested in all that entertainment and whatnot, but hot diggity damn boy, you've got some talent for writing articles about the industry. I hope you get paid big bucks at some sleuthy mag. 70.48.111.198 09:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Congrats again on Main Page. There is quite a stir among Wikipedians about it. I enjoyed reading the article and she is nice eye candy!!! (very attractive)--Adam 19:13, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

re Talk:Main Page
copied from User talk:Doops: Sorry about removing your comment. I performed a revert on the vandalism that occurred before you posted your message, and was in the process of restoring your message when an edit conflict occurred between myself and a vandal. Sorry! Extraordinary Machine 17:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I understand. I was reverting the vandal the slow way (i.e. by "editing this version" on the last good revision and then pasting in my text at the bottom before saving) and you beat me to it. Doops | talk 17:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Question on Strickland article
What you're saying, then, is that no person or organization in the field of public relations, or in any way associated with Ms. Strickland, had anything to do with the creation of this article, or with its ascension to featured article status, in any way, shape, or form? BYT 18:41, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Strickland quotes remain unsourced
I have left a query for you on this at Talk:KaDee Strickland. BYT 13:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Celine Dion
This is probably a bother, but could you please take another look at the Céline Dion article. Ive taken the comments at the last FA and have tried to address them: Ive found many print sources, about 5 Books, more authoritative reviews:New york Times, Billboard.com, Los Angeles Times etc. Ive addressed her music, changes in sounds/genres, motivation etc. at the end of each sub-section, and Ive also added a "Image and Celebrity status" section at the bottom. You can reply at the peer review. Thanks. Oran  e    (t)   (c)   (e-mail)  01:19, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * By the way, do you know how to upload audio samples (or where I could get them). I have never done that. Oran   e    (t)   (c)   (e-mail)  01:27, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

You're a good editor, Extraordinary Machine
You obviously have what it takes to write a featured article. Why don't you focus on subjects that are more deserving of your talents? --malber 13:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

What
No I didn't. Somebody else must of. You can take away the dvd covers, but leave the album covers because they need to be there. It's wasn't supposed to be a decoration, but the dvd covers were. User:Tcatron565

New Message
To see your new message see What. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tcatron565 (talk • contribs) 00:28, 17 December 2005

Tcatron 565
'''DON'T CORRECT EVERY THING I DO WRONG!!!!!! IT GETS ON MY NERVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!''' Fine I'll put everything from the CD page to the other page. And what is different from the two different album things? Wikipedia is supposed to be fun! But it's not! It has so many rules!!! 9876 to be exact!I never want to talk to u again. Just mail me a letter if I ask you a question! OKAY! BY ! User:Tcatron565

Extraordinary Machine, I believe Tcatron did cite the chart changes to the Avril Lavigne article this time around. Could you please double-check on this instance? Thanks. --Yamla 00:31, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for responding to my message. After further investigation, it seems that Tcatron cited the U.S. chart positions but not those of other nations.  I followed up on Tcatron565's discussion page.  Frustrating.  Two thirds of the time, the user ignores comments and requests.  But the other third, I see the user making significant step forwards.  For example here, no citation of international chart positions, but the user did cite the U.S. chart positions.  --Yamla 03:47, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Hallo EM
I'm not a brand new user. Count my vote or don't count my vote- it's the comments that matter and I said my piece. It annoys me that the right of editors to not register is challenged on wiki, despite the fact that refusing to countenance anonymity is against the rules, and in my opinion, anti wiki. This is obviously a charged issue at the moment. Once again, I don't mean to denigrate you personally, as I feel the problem here stems from deficiencies in the system itself, not just the quality of your efforts. I look forward to hearing your response to my comments on the Strickland FARC page- particularly your view as to whether the article breached the guidelines for an FA in the first place in hindsight. I personally feel that this point at least is manifest. Once again though, I am not attacking you- to my knowledge, you did (and pretty much continue to be doing) everything in the correct way. Signed (reluctantly)86.139.28.9 21:35, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi EM- Well, my opinion of the article is stated clearly elsewhere and I stand by that, but as a rule of thumb- don't worry about criticism. If nothing else, some important points about the FA process specifically and wikipedia in general have been made in the debate, which counts as a service by you (albeit indirectly!) to the project. To my mind, it wasn't your error, if an error was committed at all (and I have to say, in this case I think there was one). It's a shame you are absorbing such a lot of heat, I know it can't be too nice and of course it will soon die away. Don't worry too much about it and chin up! Cheers, 86.139.28.9 01:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for screwing up the numbering
I'll see if I can get up to speed on this before adding more material. Thanks for the links. BYT 13:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Piped links
I thank you for informing me of this, but could you please explain how you knew about my edits to the Hero (Mariah Carey song) article? &mdash;Hollow Wilerding. . . (talk) 21:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


 * ...If you do insist. &mdash;Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 21:59, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Batxx (talk)
This person's link spamming continues—seven total, and counting, as I write this RadioKirk 00:22, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Nine, now... RadioKirk 00:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Will do RadioKirk 00:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Looks like he got the point, it stopped at nine. RadioKirk 21:07, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Janet Jackson references
I guess because I didn't like the way it look, I don't know. I was sure someone would post links and/or references to the Janet page. I guess I need to know what I'm doing before I erased such stuff, I guess. LOL -- Posted by BrothaTimothy, 21 September 2005, 24:10 PM (UTC)

Radio Maryja
Please help me with this article. People are biased, because it is about religion mixed with racism and politics (the radio openly supports the ruling party PiS in Poland), and I cannot get through the editorial war with some users who keep reverting me.

Here is an article about this racist issue, that I cannot decribe in English due to vandalism against any new : http://www.or.org.pl/artykuly/acala-rm.html The article was prepared by the anti-racist movement in Polanmd and comes from their website. However, even link to this article was erased, as well as other my comments on it being a "hate radio". Please, help. Moa anbessa 12:01, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Tables for charts
Tell me what you think of the album pages proposal. --FuriousFreddy 17:05, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Mariah Carey
Please see the above wikilink. &mdash;Hollow Wilerding. . . (talk) 14:00, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Responded. Please see the talk page once again. Thanks. &mdash;Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 18:43, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:User windows
Good call on the fair use image... surprising no one caught it before! &#126;MDD4696 06:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Image at Benji Madden
As I assume you also have, I've been watching Benji Madden recently and noticed that people have been removing images from the article. Another editor said on Talk:Benji Madden that the image at Benji Madden was actually of Joel, not Benji. Could you please confirm or deny this on that talk page? --Idont Havaname 05:41, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Leaving?
I hope that doesn't mean you are leaving. I made a couple edits to KaDee Strickland, and I'm not 100% sure about them. Anyway, great work on it and the other articles - pop culture articles especially :).

Thanks, and hope you have a nice holiday :) WhiteNight T 19:30, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Bulbasaur
I have added Fair Use rationale to all of the Fair Use images on the Bulbasaur article: I feel your concern has been addressed. Thank you. --Cel e stianpower háblame 12:41, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Nice Work
Nice work on your pop culture-related articles. Wikipedia thanks you for your services. --  Mac Davis  &#xE0D;&#x19B;. 13:24, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow, I didn't look at your user page, there are a lot of Barnstars!! -- [[Image:Flag_of_the_United_States.svg|17px]]  Mac Davis