User talk:Extraordinary Machine/Archive 6

Merging two articles about the same song
You've had some success with this, if I remember. We seem to have American Pie (song) and American Pie (Madonna song). Jkelly 01:46, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Jkelly 17:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey... why are some articles in Category:Hilary Duff singles needlessly disambiguated? Like, Fly (Hilary Duff song) and Wake Up (Hilary Duff song)?  Jkelly 00:41, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Bruce Johnson
I've posted this response at Featured article candidates/Bruce Johnson to the concern about photos: "The press office of the Ohio Department of Development, of which Johnson is director, informs me by e-mail 'We do not have copyright on the photos.'"  PedanticallySpeaking 14:41, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
I just wanted to say thank you for your kind words about the Kylie Minogue article. It's gratifying to know that you like it. Yes, User:Plek and I substantially wrote it, and got it to featured article status after 3 previous unsuccessful nominations. Persistence pays. Anyway, thank you and I'll have at look at Mariah. Rossrs 09:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

ps. I have most of Mariah Carey's albums. Please let me know if you'd like any sound samples, and if so, which songs. Rossrs 09:45, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I think the songs you suggested are appropriate and I like that you are thinking of ways of making them relevant choices rather than just picking a handful of hit singles. I saw "Vanishing" and wondered why you'd choose that, but your reasoning is really good. I like the idea of spanning a range not only of time, but of styles and I can see that's how you are thinking too. I would also suggest something from MTV as the article discusses her aim of proving she wasn't just a studio creation. I don't know how many is too many? Certainly in FA you'll get 10 different people giving you 10 different personal opinions of the correct number ;-)  That's something to look forward to, isn't it?   I'll keep you informed of my progress as it may take a little while to do but I enjoy doing stuff like this, and I'm glad you took me up on my offer. cheers Rossrs 09:24, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello again, I've uploaded the songs you suggested but unfortunately I don't have the David Morales mix of "Fantasy" so I've used "My All" - I hope that is ok. I've put them in this box but you'll need to delete this off your talk page once they're added to the article. The box is a variation of one that's being used which I adapted for the Kylie Minogue article. I kind of like it, because you only have to change the word "left" or "right" to move it if you need to, same as images. Someone suggesting grouping them within the Kylie article - that may work here also. (My captions are really bad, but just so you can see how it would look. Rewrite them..... Please!)  Cheers. Rossrs 14:27, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * no problem :-) Rossrs 10:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Mariah Carey
I think your policing of the Mariah Carey site is wrong. Those comments about Ms. Carey are inappropriate for the lead of the article because their placement in the lead tends to suggest they have greater importance than they really do in the grand scheme of things. Sure her voice is the subject of criticism but there are lot of things that she is more well known for that are not included in that lead. She is far more well known for having massive hits and being one of the biggest selling artists than she is known for having a damaged voice. Most people think of her as having a great voice and though she has been criticized recently, I think those issues are better explored later on in the article. I don't think you are right about the paragraph lengths. What gives you the right to decide how long they should be?

I think you should worry about things other than objectivity. You don't just stick just anything in the lead of an encyclopedia article just for objectivity's sake. I think the discussion of the problems she has had in her career is fair game and provides objectivity because she is well known for suffering a major decline in her career but the voice issues do not belong there.

Mariah Carey does have a sexy image. What is your problem. I did not say she was sexy, but the image she has is a sexy one. That's an appropriate statement and it was another way of saying discussing her image because though she has had criticism of her image there was been praise for how great her body is, why isn't that in the lead of the article? Because it does not belong there. That's why. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Get2nomey (talk • contribs) 22:40, 14 March 2006


 * Do you need any help with the Mariah Carey article? I see that there's clearly an edit war occurring right now. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 23:14, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * In addition, after editing We Belong Together for so long, I believe The Emancipation of Mimi is Carey's ninth and not tenth studio album? I'm not quite sure which article is accurate, however. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 23:19, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll give the article a quick read-through. I am not going to be taking sides considering I have a limited interest in Carey and am merely here to provide elucidation, but only if it is required. Anyway, you're welcome regarding the screenshot. By the way, Journalist would like to know if you want him to semi-protect the page? &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 23:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey E.M, do you want me to semi protect it, or block it until the edit-war is over? Oran   e    (t)   (c)   (e)  23:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

re: Mariah Carey copyedit
I'll give it a going through once the protection is lifted. Thanks. &mdash;Wayward Talk 07:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Single infoboxes
The templates you've put on Lady Marmalade (2001 song) and Check on It articles are for albums, not for singles, like this. 200.138.194.254 18:54, 18 March 2006


 * But there are loads and loads of articles about singles whose template is like this. Do you intend to change all of them?

200.138.194.254 19:06, 18 March 2006

Marey Carey
Yes you can delete it. I forget where I got it the Emancipation of Mimi promo from. User: Charmed36

Pussycat Dolls
Can you stop the user from changing the article "Don't Cha" from first single to second, "Stickwitu" as second single to third, "Beep (song) from third single to fourth. Sway the Pussycat Dolls song is not the first single.  User: Charmed36

Re: A Thousand Miles
"Without crediting the users who worked on the original material" &mdash; unfortunately, this line confuses me. Also, there are several other articles on Wikipedia presented with limited information. The principle reason for creating the article was that the image of the CD single wasn't deleted without warning. I haven't read the Music/Song guidelines, so I'm unaware of the notes within. I know that you will be writing and expanding "A Thousand Miles" eventually but I took the initiative of creating the article and, unless I'm wrong or haven't read a specific policy, anyone is allowed to create an article. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 00:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are right, I should have asked, and therefore, I apologize. Please do not take this as insulting toward you or I purposely ignored you, it had been that I was merely in a rush to avoid the image being deleted. I will stray from your sandbox unless I am interested in a topic you are writing. Please excuse my rudeness and do not let this effect you personally. Again, my sincere apologies. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 22:24, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Could you do me a favour and help me with the situation currently being handled, or, well, not being handled, but barely dealed with at Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. I've been banned for reasons that are not supported by any claims and a ridiculous claim of being Hollow Wilerding, a user who I had once been acquainted with (and dealt with). Please do not let this effect our Wikipedian relationship, where we are working on similar articles, even if you feel the need to agree with the situation. Thanks. By the way, We Belong Together failed again based on trivial edits, so Journalist and I are going to be cleaning it up a bit more. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 23:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll make sure to credit you properly next time. And just to let you know, the Hollow Wilerding accusation was dropped, thankfully. If you need anything, just leave me a message! :) &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 20:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Reference
Wow, you don't waste any time in catching people out. I was just adding a reference after it having realised Id forgotten to but the article has been reverted back. Anyway I think I'm officially fed up of editing this article, it is just an accumulation of people debating over complete rubbish and everyone refuses to see anyone else's point of view, including me I guess. So I give up, I'd rather just enjoy Carey's music than bother to write an article on her that is largely uninformative and uninteresting and hardly anyone will read. At least it's one less hassle for you to deal with. Nice working with you. Ultimate Star Wars Freak 19:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

A couple new userboxes for you!
Hey, I whipped these up, I think they would enhance your user page for readers.

Did you know?
The article for "A Thousand Miles" is currently visible on the did you know template. Perhaps you should take a look! &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 13:58, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Page move
Done as requested.--Fil e  Éireann 19:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Gone
Just to let you know, I'm taking an extended Wikibreak. I can no longer participate fully. Not Anymore. Take care of "We Belong Together" for me. If you have any issues, you can email me. Also, good luck with Mariah Carey &mdash;it really deserves to be featured. Peace. Oran  e    (t)   (c)   (e)  02:27, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Mariah Carey and children at Camp Mariah.jpg
In the Mariah Carey article, I was wondering if you could identify what year the image was taken, that is if you can? Thank you. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 13:27, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, and thanks for catching this. :) &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 13:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

If that is the case, then do not worry. It was merely my curiosity. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 01:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Buckowensjapan.jpg
When you have a moment... am I incorrect in questioning the fair use of this image? The three potential problems I see: 1) Its resolution may be too high; 2) The accompanying text, while mentioning his contract with Capitol, does not mention this album specifically; and, 3) There is no explanation for choosing "Album Cover" as a rationale for its use (the uploader believes simply choosing the option is sufficient). Thanks for your time. Radio  Kirk   talk to me  17:46, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Rossrs has said pretty much what I was thinking. :) Extraordinary Machine 21:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 'preciate it, thanku :) Radio  Kirk   talk to me  22:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Talk:I'm With You
While I was checking the, I noticed that I'm with You had been replaced with a capital "W" due to specific claims on the talk page. However, I noticed that you returned the title to a small "w". Which is technically correct? Although Avril Lavigne's website clearly states that the spelling should be with a capital "W", should this be ignored and be abided by Wikipedia policy and the MOS? &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 20:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. If appears as though thorough references were provided, but as I said, if it is stated by the naming conventions, it will remain in proper English. Thank you. On a different note, and excuse me if I'm acting too fishy, but are you perhaps located in Europe? &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 20:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Call it a hunch. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 22:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in (I stumbled across this as I was replying above), but I have to agree with Eternal Equinox on this one. While certain conventions are meant to demand adherence, I find song titles exempt, for the most part. We don't correct spelling mistakes, intentional or otherwise, unless the artist or label issues a correction. Personally, I don't end at song titles, either; I am Sam should be in all lower case, nevermind the fact that WikiURLs make that impossible... ;) Radio  Kirk   talk to me  22:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Partial retraction (sort of) in this post. Radio  Kirk   talk to me  23:00, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Replied to yours :) Radio  Kirk   talk to me  19:10, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Never did thank you for your warm welcome to the project. I must admit it seemed like a greeting-bot to me at first... Anyway, thanks for taking the time to do it. Ksenon 21:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Mariah Carey
Could you please point out some of the references that discuss the different number of weeks Mariah Carey spent at the top of the U.S. Billboard 200? Also, I'm hoping for you to nominate the article here very soon. :) &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 01:10, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Curious
I saw your edits at Cool (song) while I was browsing, and have been wondering to know what role the Pop 100 Airplay supplies that does not make it notable on Wikipedia? I ask this simply based on curiosity, and not on replacing it in the article, which, to be honest, I really don't care much for. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 15:13, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I will not restore the length "Cool" spent at number one on MuchMusic; I will not restore the album wikilink (although I still believe it should be there); I will have attempted to compromise your edits with mine in the "chart performance" section; and I think that some of the positions it reached should be included, while less important ones be labelled as "top [whatever]". Is this better? &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 21:41, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

The return of "The Editor"
I've semi-returned, sort of. My anger is now gone. My mood is lifted because I got accepted to York University and Ryerson University, with offers for scholarships if I maintain my 90% avg (The pressure's on). I'll be semi-active though. See u around. Oran  e    (t)   (c)   (e)  03:10, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

filmogs, discogs, bibliogs oldest first
see Manual of Style (lists of works) or Filmographies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzzzz (talk • contribs)

You may want to see this objection. Gflor e sTalk 03:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * In short, my objection is that Zzzzz changed both linked pages to suit his position and, clearly, is using them as an authoritative source. Neither page shows consensus, but since both pages are inactive and neither are adopted into the MOS indicates a clear lack of support by even the creators of the pages to keep the discussion active. Cburnett 04:20, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * And, as if that wasn't enough (and, sorry to burden you with this), I've taken User:Niz to WP:AN for starting a revert war and then decrying it, chiding others for their "childishness". In my experience (brief though it may be), it's quite common to revert a page to its appearance prior to the issue raised. Bye bye, WP:EQ and WP:AGF... Radio  Kirk   talk to me  15:28, 6 April 2006 (UTC) It appears the user was trying to do too much, too fast, never mind. :)  Radio  Kirk   talk to me  20:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Song titles
Personally I think that writing song titles like Come On Over Baby (All I Want Is You) is better than "Come on over Baby (All I Want is You)". Have you ever seen Christina Aguilera back cover? It is written Come On Over (All I Want Is You), not Come on over (All I Want is You). 200.138.194.254 21:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I understand. But I really believe that songs titles should be capitalised, although it'd be really painful to capitalise every single article title about a song.

200.138.194.254 18:43, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Mariah Carey FAC
I'm glad that you finally decided to nominate the article. You can finally get this. There is just one more nomination process to go (you know what I mean). I'm still waiting, so...anytime you're ready. I should warn you about FAC, however (though you already know): it can be brutal. Also, beware "The Savage". If you have a comma out of place, fix it now!! Believe me, if you don't, it will be spotted, then he'll come to the FAC a day before it's to be promoted and write, "object" followed by an incomprehensible 750-word essay. (I know its not nice to say this, but its true) Oran   e    (t)   (c)   (e)  21:39, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent work with the article. It is even better than Kylie Minogue, in my opinion. You deserve a barn star, which I'll hand over to you following the FAC, whether it passes or not. Sorry if you consider this snooping, but since Orane and I were also conducting a conversation at the time, I also believe Tsavage has constructive objections, though sometimes frightening. If he objects, I'll try to help and correct them. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 21:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, see you EM. I can't believe you're leaving though, if even for a while. I don't know. It seems like many people are simply...outgrowing Wikipedia? Yep, I understood what you meant (the circle thing). Don't worry, Mariah Carey will be featured. It's that good, and you should be extremely proud of yourself. Give me a sec while a try to decide which barnstar would be most appropriate to give you. Oran   e    (t)   (c)   (e)  22:03, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * In my opinion the guy is a ... His objections are sometimes "workable", but most of the time, they're just crap (take Bulbasaur FAC for example). And the long and confusing way he expresses them. Its just...I cant even find the words. I know he means well, but sometimes I think that he feels that he's God's gift to the FAC process, and it really bugs me. Long story short, I really don't like him. Oran   e    (t)   (c)   (e)  22:09, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, in a way. However, as long as he is here, we'll have to find a way to remedy his suggestions. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 22:18, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Really, don't worry about the samples. The idea came to me when I saw the dance remix of "My All"&mdash;in my opinion one of the most unusual songs ever&mdash;in the article. Anyway, I've seen that you may retire from Wikipedia (or conduct minimal edits) in the future. Is there a reason you've come to this decision? &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 18:35, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Good luck to whatever you choose to do! &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 19:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I suppose there really can be miracles, you should see the Mariah Carey article in early February 2005. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 19:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is quite interesting. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 23:31, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Good is Good
I am preparing the delete so you can do your merge.--Adam (talk) 22:32, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Nine Million Bicycles
I'd like to thank and congratulate your fantastic work on the Nine Million Bicycles page. It's a real improvement from the page I start two days ago.

I don't know if you're aware, but Template:Katie Melua, that I created to easily navigate through Katie Melua's music, has been put up for deletion. If you believe that it's useful and needed please vote to keep it. Thank you. Hera1187 06:37, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Naming
Please stop replacing Katie Melua's professional name with her real name, it's her professional name which counts. --62.255.232.20 01:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Image:Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston in March 1999.jpg
I posted this on Commons, but then thought, I should ask you here, in case you don't check your commons page.

This is a nice picture, but how can you know if the copyright ever belonged to mariahdaily.com? It seems they invite people to send in photos (as opposed to making them). To me, this photo looks like it would be owned by the makers of the show. Did the person who runs the site say he personally took the photo, or how he got it? --Rob 10:41, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Always Be My Baby
Thanks for adding the credits. Orane and I plan on working on the article eventually, perhaps you'd like to assit us every now and then? &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 21:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, thanks. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 23:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)