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Thank you for creating Flora Kaai Hayes.

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DYK for Herman Schiller
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DYK for Movimiento Judío por los Derechos Humanos
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Reference suggestion
Hello Ezlev I see that you are editing and making a lot of important pages. I am just suggesting a good citation format for you to use. When using a Newspapers.com clipping you can use the first reference while you can use the second reference for any other source. Citations for books are completely different of course. Jon698 (talk) 01:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you for creating Michelle Groskopf.

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DYK for Gihan Ibrahim
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A barnstar for you!
@ I second this barnstar. Keep up the good work. Celestina007 (talk) 23:42, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Matthew Blaise moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Matthew Blaise, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Celestina007 (talk) 22:03, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm kinda curious how you think the current sources - including this this and this are insufficient? Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 22:09, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @, Although a case of “meeting basic” can be made, I do not see WP:INDEPTH or WP:SIGCOV significantly met. I was hoping they submit it via AFC where a fresh pair of eyes can access the article. Celestina007 (talk) 22:17, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ah, fair. I'm just a bit hesitant to send stuff to AfC given the long backlog there. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 22:20, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @, yes indeed, that’s a valid reason, the article did not meet any criteria for deletion and also wasn’t mainspace ready(my opinion which could be flawed) so I chose an ATD, but the backlog point you raise is indeed valid. Celestina007 (talk) 22:25, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ,, thanks to both of you. I figured this would be a borderline case when I published it, and it looks like I was right. Oh well. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 22:29, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If you don’t agree with the draftify move i made, you know you could move it back to mainspace right? Although publishing via afc is usually good practice, you could always disagree with the move, of which I would leave to another reviewer to handle. Celestina007 (talk) 22:34, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I really appreciate you saying that, . I knew I could do that in theory, but not in practice. I think I will in this case, especially since I've added a bit to the article to make INDEPTH and SIGCOV more clear. No hard feelings on my end, though – I should've made those additions to begin with, and I think draftification was a reasonable move on your part based on the sparseness of the prose in the article. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 23:16, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

I think the problem is reconciling “notability” which is flexible and could be changed at any time with “encyclopedic value” which is, or, what we should be about, we at new page reviewing sometimes(like I did today) review articles like robots other than humans, all encyclopedic articles (of value) are not necessary “notable” and all “notable” articles are not necessarily of encyclopedic value. This article is definitely of encyclopedic value and a big thank you to for reminding of this great philosophy, if an article is of encyclopedic value(like this), not promotional, nor possesses any harm to the integrity of the collaborative project, I see no reason to act like a machine. Keep up the good work. Your topic areas are of immense value. Celestina007 (talk) 23:54, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

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suggestions - project schoolflight
Ezlev,

thanks for your review of Project schoolflight- I've taken your comment to heart and revised it and reduced wording by about 18% and took out elaborations so that becomes more encyclopedia read instead of an essay read. I think I really fixed it and appreciate your thoughts- trying to do it right, I am and learning too

RDBACE1 (talk) 20:06, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * , I'm glad to hear that! You might want to take a look at these tips for encyclopedic style, and look at some similar articles like EAA AirVenture Oshkosh as examples of style and formatting. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 20:21, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Ways to improve Palestine Legal
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Flora Hayes
You beat me by a few moments uploading a fair-use image! Since you've put much work into the article I'll let you decide whether or File:Flora Hayes 1965.png or File:Flora Kaai Hayes.jpg should be remain. It's possible that some historic images of Hayes have fallen into public domain due to failure to renew copyright, but I haven't investigated closely. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 22:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * , of those two choices I'm partial to the contrast of File:Flora Hayes 1965.png. I've put an F5 CSD tag on File:Flora Kaai Hayes.jpg. Sorry for the redundant upload, and thanks so much for working on the article! ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 22:25, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Moʻolelo
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DYK for Mariela Muñoz
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Fergus O'Farrell and Interference.
Hello Ezlev

I'm struggling to understand what appears to be a very determined effort from wikipedia and its admins and editors to prevent any resolution to having a wikipedia page for Fergus O'Farrell and or his band interference, I am all but at the point of giving up completely. I am four months unsuccesfully trying to prove I wrote the original interference page which was copied and pasted multiple times into several other webpages reflecting rock music and artists, I've sent the original file with metadata date stamp from the original computer I used on 19th february 2003, a computer which had to be taken out of storage for this purpose, I've followed advice, edited, answered emails, all to no avail. I am the band archivist and it seems that because I have a personal connection to the band in this regard, you folk at wikipedia have determined I cannot be the author of an article connected to either the band or fergus O'Farrell himself. You say I do not cite sources etc, I fail to see how national newspapers, Television companies and film distribution companies are not considered 'reliabe sources'. I'm the administrator of the Facebook accounts relating to the band, along with Spotify, YouTube, The Band WEbpage and Instagram and Twitter, who better to admin their wikipedia page ? I cannot use photographs I took myself, or have full and absolute permission to use everywhere else, I've been accused of plagerising my own words, I'm repeatedly told I can't do this and I can't do that without any alternative been offered, the communication from wikipedias side is both incredibly slow in response and almost impossible to understand. I'm prepared to take any advice offered but find it offensive when entire editorial is just removed and I'm told you cant have that on your page because its been previously published...yes by me. Perhaps you could actually suggest sources or suggest rewrites of the editorial instead of just saying its wrong. I cannot begin to tell you how many newspaper articles I've had to correct regarding O'Farrell and his band, the articles which don't need correcting are written by journalists who have bothered coming to me to confirm their information before publishing. I'm doing this for 30 years, I do have a considerable knowledge of the subject.

I understand that Wiki is an encyclopedia not a forum for selling a product and welcome any advice on re-wording or de-personalising my wording, looking forward to your response kind regards Marc McDonald Marcmackdee (talk) 02:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello ! I want you to know that I’ve seen this and I’ll respond within the next couple of hours. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 02:44, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , I want to say first that I understand your frustration. Itʻs clear that there are multiple things going on, many of them complicated, and having experienced some of them during my time as a Wikipedia reader and later an editor, I think I can see where youʻre coming from. Iʻve tried to restate and address each point of your message below:
 * You've had difficulty because you've been editing articles you have a personal connection to. Wikipedia editors do tend to be specific of people who have a conflict of interest, and rightly so. We've even got a whole guideline about it. You're really not supposed to directly edit articles you have a conflict of interest about, and so you will absolutely be subject to extra scrutiny whenever you try to do so. The conflict of interest guideline may help you figure out better ways to improve these articles.
 * Youʻve been struggling to prove that you wrote the original version of a webpage about Interference (band), which was subsequently plagiarized, so that you can donate the text under an appropriate license for Wikipedia. This is similar to an issue I've run into while trying to help people upload images, and it's hard to deal with. I've had a look at this discussion from a while ago, and it sounds like you were going to contact OTRS, which is a good step. Based on your message above, it sounds like you haven't had luck with that. If you can tell me more about what happened with OTRS, I can try to offer advice or connect you with someone who can help, but right off the bat my advice would be for you to rewrite the content using new wording, and cite the original as a source, which could avoid the copyright issue entirely.
 * Similar to the previous point, you've had difficulty proving that you have the rights to images when you've tried to upload them to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. Again, this is tricky. It's also very much not my area of expertise, but if it's something you want to pursue further, feel free to tell me and I can connect you with another editor who might be able to help.
 * I declined the draft article you submitted (Draft:Fergus O'Farrell) because it "read like an advertisement". Unfortunately I can't look back at the draft because it looks like you've had it deleted, so all I can do is refer you to this guideline about reliable sources and this policy about neutral point of view. I know that probably isn't as helpful as you'd like, and I apologize for that.
 * Communication from Wikipedia has been slow and sometimes difficult to understand. Just about everyone here, including not only the editors but also the people running the OTRS email system, is a volunteer. We're doing this on our own time, unpaid, because for a wide variety of reasons we believe it's worth doing. I understand that this can sometimes lead to frustrating processes and outcomes, and again, I apologize for that.
 * I hope I haven't missed any major points from your message, and that this response is at least somewhat helpful. If you have any follow-up questions, feel free to leave them here – I'm not online all the time, but I promise I'll respond eventually, and one or two people who keep an eye on my talk page might jump in as well. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 04:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ezlev

thankyou for your prompt reply

I completely understand the points you make but again I feel there is something not right behind the scences with this situtation I find myself in as I try to create a page for fergus o'farrell and also his band interference.

I most certainly did not delete the fergus o'farrell page, not intentionally nor by accident, I edited it as requested and re-submitted it for further approval. The response from 'someone' was to delete the page completely and say I did so. That is simply not true. I have now requested it be re-instated, we will see what happens but my guess is I will be completely ignored.

in relation to submitting the original text for the interference page with full copyright declaration etc. I did that and recieved confirmation that the text had been accepted but it still has not been re-instated on the interference page... I copy here the full email interaction between yourselves and myself.

text for page interference (band) Inbox

interference  Attachments 30 Mar 2021, 01:16 to permissions-en, marcmackdee

To whom it may concern

the attached word document was created 19th february 2003 by marc mcdonald who is our archivist. it was created initially as a matter of record and was used on our website when it was created in 2007/2008 (www.interference.ie)

in 2009 it was placed on wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference_(band)) by Marc McDonald.(aka Marcmackdee) it has been on wikipedia ever since and was updated and edited beginning 1st march 2021 by Marc McDonald as it was felt the wikipedia page was completely out of date. Fergus O'Farrell died on 2nd february 2016, the text on wikipedia was written at a time when he was very much alive and well.

the newly edited text was removed completely by your administrator

Diannaa (talk) 01:02, 29 March 2021 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#Interference_%28band%29

The reason given is that the text appears in several previously published webpages by others. These other websites who have used this text copied and pasted Marc McDonald  s text either from our website or from wikipedia, without consent or communication with us in any way which has led to  Marc McDonald   being accused of plagiarism and copyright infringement of his own material. Please accept this attached document as proof that we have been in possession of this text since 2002 and that it is our copyright in its entirety. we completely allow it to be used on wikipedia in its current form or edited and updated to reflect the change in status of Fergus O'Farrell, now deceased.

The photograph/image used on the page is also 100% copyright of Marc McDonald, the original photograph of the dog 'winston' was taken by him in 1988/1989 and subsequently manipulated into its current appearance for use as a t-shirt. The original photograph of the dog can be supplied if required.

kind regards

Lydia O'Farrell Little

interference

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Permissions - English Wikipedia  2 Apr 2021, 10:33 to me, marcmackdee

Dear interference,

Wikipedia is a "free content" encyclopedia, which means that it is available under a copyright license that allows anyone to use the text for any reason, anywhere, including for commercial purposes, as long as they comply with the terms of the license. The only allowable restrictions are a requirement that the original source be attributed and that any modifications be released under the same terms.

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30/03/2021 00:17 - interference wrote:

> To whom it may concern > > the attached word document was created 19th february 2003 by marc mcdonald > who is our archivist. it was created initially as a matter of record and > was used on our website when it was created in 2007/2008 ( > www.interference.ie) > > in 2009 it was placed on wikipedia ( > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference_(band)) by Marc McDonald.(aka > Marcmackdee) it has been on wikipedia ever since and was updated and edited > beginning 1st march 2021 by Marc McDonald as it was felt the wikipedia page > was completely out of date. Fergus O'Farrell died on 2nd february 2016, > the text on wikipedia was written at a time when he was very much alive and > well. > > the newly edited text was removed completely by your administrator > > Diannaa  (talk) 01:02, 29 > March 2021 (UTC) > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#Interference_%28band%29 > > The reason given is that the text appears in several previously published > webpages by others. These other websites who have used this text copied and > pasted Marc McDonald  s text either from our website or from wikipedia, > without consent or communication with us in any way which has led to Marc > McDonald  being accused of plagiarism and copyright infringement of his > own material. Please accept this attached document as proof that we have > been in possession of this text since 2002 and that it is our copyright in > its entirety. we completely allow it to be used on wikipedia in its current > form or edited and updated to reflect the change in status of Fergus > O'Farrell, now deceased. > > The photograph/image used on the page is also 100% copyright of Marc > McDonald, the original photograph of the dog 'winston' was taken by him in > 1988/1989 and subsequently manipulated into its current appearance for use > as a t-shirt. The original photograph of the dog can be supplied if > required. > > kind regards > > Lydia O'Farrell Little > > > > >              interference >

interference  Attachments 21 May 2021, 00:02 to Permissions

I hereby affirm that I Marc McDonald am the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of the attached text as used here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference_(band), and have legal authority in my capacity to release the copyright of that work.

I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts).

I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.

I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites.

I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me.

I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.

Marc McDonald Author of interference a brief history 21/05/21

interference

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interference  21 May 2021, 00:04 to Permissions

Please reinstate all text removed by your admin on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference_(band)

thankyou

Lydia O'Farrell Little

interference

Permissions - English Wikipedia 8 Jun 2021, 06:05 (7 days ago) to me

Dear interference,

We have received the permission for the text and have made the necessary modifications to the talk page of the article.

The text may now be use for the article. Please take care of the formatting, and please especially consider that Wikipedia articles have to presented in a neutral language while promotional speech is discouraged.

Thank you for your assistance.

can you please advise Marc

Marcmackdee (talk) 22:36, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * , based on that last email it looks like they said the text could now be used in the article, not that it would be automatically added back. I think you'd need to do that yourself. You'd want to be mindful of avoiding promotional language, and like I mentioned earlier, you have a conflict of interest and should follow the COI guidelines. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 22:54, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Marcmackdee. The person who responded to your email said that there was a notation placed on the talk page of the article. But this was not actually ever done. Neither Draft talk:Fergus O'Farrell or Talk:Fergus O'Farrell exists and they have never existed. So it's unclear to me where they placed the details of the OTRS ticket giving permission. I am not an OTRS volunteer and do not have access to their email queue so I am unable to find out what went wrong. Regardless of the copyright issue, the band's own website is not a good source of information for a Wikipedia article, as it does nothing to establish notability, and it is not worded in an encyclopedic way. So it's of extremely limited use (or even no use) for the a Wikipedia article.— Diannaa (talk) 00:08, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think they're referring to Talk:Interference (band), which indeed has had an OTRS ticket placed on it confirming use is allowed. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 00:11, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Good, that's exactly what I was looking for. The revision deletion was reversed by a different admin on June 7. So that aspect is resolved. By the way the draft Draft:Fergus O'Farrell doesn't have any overlap with http://irishrockers.com/artistView.php?artist=Interference so the OTRS ticket is not needed on that page. — Diannaa (talk) 14:31, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Flora Kaai Hayes
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 * Thanks,, for that and the fix at Flora Kaai Hayes and its DYK earlier! I use TWL a lot, it's a great resource ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 18:30, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

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