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German defence budget
hello just want to update german defence budget for 2007 $37.5 billion but it is protected. http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=2392117&C=europe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.161.50.111 (talk) 11:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info I have updated the article with a newer link, (and more recent USD/EUR rate). FFMG (talk) 11:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

i just found the figures for 2008 http://www.wdif.net/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=249 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.161.50.111 (talk) 11:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure about http://www.wdif.net/, never heard of them. Let me look around first to make sure that they are reliable. They seem to have a lot of adverts on their site. FFMG (talk) 11:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Napoleon talk page
If you don't mind some friendly personal advice, I think it's time to let the discussion drop, or at least cool off for a couple of days. Both you and Pistolpierre are spending more time attacking each other than discussing the subject; and I'm going to leave a note on his talk page saying the same thing. --Russ (talk) 18:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry
I am sorry if I made you upset. I am not a troll. If you want to classify Bonaparte as a Roman Catholic go ahead. It is not really worth arguing about. As far as Bush goes, I could care less how you perceive him. Pistolpierre (talk) 03:11, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

thanks for your support ;)
I'm simply tired to see English speaking medias shoot in the back France (making huge biaise), and French speaking medias doing the same on USA-England just to sell more "papers". I strongly hope that wikipedia will be strong enough to don't contribute to this mess. Regards, Yug (talk)  12:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Pay attention
I included a ref with the 419 section, so it is very important that you pay attention. The ref discusses 419 in Johannesburg at the very end. I posted this on your talk page because this is very important for you to remember.

If you go to the end of http://www.saps.gov.za/crime_prevention/commercial_crime/419_scams/about_419.htm you will find the text "It has come to the attention of the South African Police Service that a scheme is active in the Johannesburg area, whereby any person can open an anonymous bank account in a European country."

And I will add more to prove my point. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I added citations of various kidnapping and murder cases in South Africa in the 1990s and 2000s to supplement the section. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I know how to read references.
 * Please do no use my talk page to be condescending. Your section has no place in many articles you have added it to today, please try to understand that point.FFMG (talk) 20:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

You missed one
(WARNING: Not too serious a comment....) But you absolutely got the better one of the two edits though. Eltron *does* indeed have problems. :) Now I know why rollback is such a fabulous idea.  Is it too early to wish you a good weekend?!  Kit Berg (talk) 19:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks I can't believe I missed that one :). We were scheduled to have some load shedding to I had to rush the edit.
 * It is never too early to have a good weekend, enjoy yours. FFMG (talk) 05:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Why would a discussion allow unofficial material?
In France's article, you reverted User:WikiWitch's edits, in which she said that you must only use official sources, and said there was a discussion to include those sources. What kind of discussion allows that? Isn't that damaging to the article? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 20:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * This is not my decision to have this in the intro either. If you look at the discussion page the consensus was to leave it as is.


 * I also don't see what you mean by 'official', is the ft not a good enough reference? FFMG (talk) 20:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know what the "ft" is. I merely read her summary, and I thought it strange when reading yours that a discussion would allow sources another user identified as "unofficial". Wilhelmina Will (talk) 20:06, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The ft is the Financial Times.
 * As per the talk page, some users consider the wikipidia economics page to be up to date. Others disagree.
 * As the Financial Time is a well respected publication some think that it is a better reference than the wiki page.
 * It is in the talk page, some valid points are raised about what data is 'better' FFMG (talk) 20:15, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe the other user feels you need to use a website as a source, not offline material? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 20:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If you look at the section that was reverted, there is a link from FT.com, (ref 6 I think). FFMG (talk) 20:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Military articles POV
You may want to check this article. It seems there is British POV in many war related articles, not just the List of countries by military expenditure. I think we've just discovered the tip of the iceberg. Keizuko (talk) 15:07, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

2008
I reverted your edits to the article. You say a killing of a teenager in a american school which gain notable media coverage a domestic news event that shouldn't be included but if you look at the article there is a section called Events where many domestic events lies that does not nesserary neeed to be in there. I ask you to leave the event as it is. Pathfinder2006 (talk) 18:45, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure why you are using my talk page to raise your point.
 * Please use the relevant 2008 talk page.
 * For the record, You don't need to ask me to do anything, we will all discuss the mater and a a consensus will be reached, that's kind of the the way wikipidia works. FFMG (talk) 05:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I used your talk page to discuss it with you about it which by the way you hadn't even thought about going to the 2008 discussion page when you kept reverting another editor's edit's about the subject. As you said " we will all discuss the mater and a consensus will be reached,that's kind of the the way wikipidia works" i think you should do that aswell.Pathfinder2006 (talk) 11:45, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I am not sure what you are referring to. Originally I reverted the edit and gave a reason. Others disagreed/agreed and a discussion was started, go there if you want to discuss it further.
 * You came here and instructed me not to revert anymore with some rather dubious reasoning.
 * School murders are all too common in many countries, not sure why that particular murder is any different. FFMG (talk) 12:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

why do u keep editing out our valuable info?
what is the reason u keep editing out our listing and contact info about tours in south africa everyone has the right to know about our companny and the tours on offer for tourists and south africans alike —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.240.16.108 (talk) 10:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It is not my policy, but wikipedias, you cannot use wikipedia to promote your site. FFMG (talk) 10:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems as if there are many other commercial sites with links on this page - why the dual standard? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.240.12.131 (talk) 11:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Really? Where? Do you have any examples?
 * I'll have a look and remove site that promote their products without adding any value. FFMG (talk) 11:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * examples (a few only) are netcare, all the cell phone companies, all the banks, computicket to name just a few
 * far as im concerned our site gives a lot of info that the current page does not with regards what is on offer for tourists in south africa :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.240.12.131 (talk) 11:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry you lost me here, are we talking about the article South Africa? Or are you talking about other articles like Vodacom, MTN, Nedbank and so on?
 * The section you tried to add to South Africa was nothing more than an advert for your site/services.


 * I suggest you take a few minutes to familiarise yourself with the way wikipedia works. It is an encyclopedia, not an advertising board. Other companies like Nedbank, Vodacom have articles, not to promote themselves but to inform the reader. FFMG (talk) 11:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * i can see u r lost, the vodacom and mtn sites open not to an article but to the respective homepages - what is the difference —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.240.12.131 (talk) 12:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The difference is the south africa article is not about your site or services but the country itself therefore if you add your website to that article then you are advertising it whereas the companies you talked about which are notable enough to be on wikipedia should have links to their websites. Pathfinder2006 (talk) 12:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not against linking to 'outside' websites, if linking helps as a reference for example. If an article is about Vodacom, (for example), then it makes sense to have a link to their site.
 * Vodacom or MTN do not have links from the South Africa article because it has nothing to do with the article. FFMG (talk) 12:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * i am afraid that its only your opinion as to what level "notable" can be. In my opinion our website is actually very informative as to what is available to tourists and locals alike in south africa. I think our site is relevent in that category and provides the person who might look at it just as much "value" and information as any of the other numerous obvious commercial links.
 * i suppose that an artical about tourism, supposedly 10%of the gdp, deserves the few lines youve given it and preventing relevent toursim sites from listing to give the users a better idea of whats on offer is not logical —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.240.92.178 (talk) 08:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No, it is not my opinion. Please don't try to see it as 'my opinion vs your opinion', this is the way wikipedia has been doing things for a long time.
 * You can create any article you want, but if there is a conflict of interest the article is usually deleted. I know it is hard to believe but the article on Nedbank were not written by Nedbank employees, (well I don't think so anyway), it was written by people who have some sort of interest in the South African banking system.
 * Another example is the Nationwide Airlines article, clearly it was not written by a Nationwide employee and this is why it does not promote any of their products.
 * If your site/company is truly notable then someone will come along and write an article about it. This is why only a handful of websites have articles, (Twitter.com, Facebook.com, Myspace for example).


 * And, at the end of the day, you were blatantly trying to promote your products in the South Africa article. If MTN added a new section on cell phones and telling us what great deals they have this summer then we would also remove it. FFMG (talk) 08:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, just randomly came across this little exchange and can't stop laughing. FFMG, you should write a book of tolerance and patience. You lasted a lot longer than many people would have. Well done and thanks for the laugh! What was the edit about? Funny funny. And that unsigned nutcase thought they were right. Brilliant. GetDownAdam (talk) 13:51, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Your reverts at List of national anthems
Hello,

At List of national anthems of national anthems I have added Saint-Barthelemy (which has its own anthem) and fixed the alphabetizing on St. Kitts and Nevis. However you have reverted this twice. I have set out my reasons for the additions at Talk:List of national anthems. Could we discuss this? - Thanks, Hoshie 23:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I replies on the talk page.
 * Please lets reach the consensus first. There does not seem to be any references making the song the official anthem of Saint Bart. FFMG (talk) 06:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Six Nations
Yes they were test edits.You are very clever.

There's a way to request protection for te Six nations page? Snowdog (talk) 10:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I've made a request for protection anyway. --Snowdog (talk) 10:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

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Quick question
I see you're a native french speaker. A number of people are trying to translate the french featured article Félix_Houphouët-Boigny into English, the translation is now mostly complete, but we are still revising the whole thing. Anyway, could you tell me the meaning of resserer in the paragraph bellow? I've looked it up, but the meanings I've found on dictionaries where not what I was expecting by judging from the context. Is it being used to mean restrict, define, strengthen? (or something else?). Very big thanks! 189.104.82.159 (talk) 23:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

''Ambitieux, le leader ivoirien conçoit de plus grands desseins pour l'espace francophone d’Afrique ; il prétend le regrouper au sein d’une grande organisation dont le but serait de se soutenir mutuellement[90]. Le projet se concrétise le 7 septembre 1961, lors de la signature de la charte donnant naissance à l’Union africaine et malgache (UAM)[91], regroupant douze pays francophones dont le Sénégal de Senghor[91]. Des accords sont signés et resserrent la solidarité des Ėtats francophones, notamment dans les domaines économique, militaire, et des postes et télécommunications[91]. Mais en mai 1963, la création de l’Organisation de l’unité africaine (OUA) vient perturber ses plans : les tenants du panafricanisme exigent la dissolution de tous les regroupements régionaux dont l’UAM[92] ; le président ivoirien cède à contrecœur, et transforme, en mars 1964, l’UAM en Organisation africaine et malgache de coopération économique et culturelle[93].''


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 * In other words, accords are signed and bring together the solidarity of francophone sates or something to that effect.


 * Thank you very much! I'll adjust the text accordingly. Cheers! 189.104.5.18 (talk) 15:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Tim Russert
Hi there, do you mind explaining this edit declaring Tim Russert to be non-notable? He was one of the most distinguished American journalists of our time, and his death was included in our In the News section. Glass  Cobra  13:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * There was a small consensus on the 2008 talk page that death needed to be notable. To 'decide' what was notable or not it was agreed that a personality with 9 or more articles translated would be 'notable'. FFMG (talk) 13:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Russian military budget and accusation of vandalism
User [| 68.58.143.216] changed numbers in military budgets of Russia(from $41bn to $45bn) and U.S.(from $583bn to $141bn). Lars T reverted one of his edits and I did the same with the second one. How's that a vandalism? Well, statement on how big is "real" russian defence spending is probably shouldn't be there, but that's not vandalism neither(I took it from here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_the_Russian_Federation#Budget, and I added additional reference).

So, FFMG, I think you should revert your own edit... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.19.169.5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.19.169.5 (talk) 11:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * As I said to you on the other page, no, I wont, if you want to change something add a reference to it, (wikipedia itself is not a source). Otherwise you might as well leave it the way it was. Adding a statement is POV and has no place here.
 * In future please sign your comments so I know who I am replying to, or even better create an account, I don't like talking to IP addresses. FFMG (talk) 04:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Dash Size
The sizes are - and —, the second looks lot cleaner and it is found in many places 2009, 2010, etc. The sizes are mixed in places so we need to use only one size. I had spent hours changing the size to — but you undid and you did not happen to see about March using the — and rest converted to - by undoing. Can you please collaborate and maybe even help me. Thanks. Orion11M87 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:23, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You cannot just change something like that without first reaching a consensus, that dash size is not standard on all computers, and I am afraid I won't be the only one reverting your changes, (for 2009 and 2010 as well).
 * Rather use the 2008 talk page to ask people what they think about such a change, if many agree then maybe it will be done. FFMG (talk) 19:31, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I acknowledge, but still you are saying to use two different sizes. I did not introduce a new size but rather two different sizes were already there on a single article. Please help me. Orion11M87 (talk) 19:36, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Help you to do what?
 * If you see 2 kind of dashes, (for example), then ask the one you should use rather than making an arbitrary choice yourself and changing articles all over the place. FFMG (talk) 19:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Please help me with what size should be used. I don't know how to settle with what size on the 2008 discussion page, so can you please start or help on how to reach a settlement across Wikipedia (2009, 2010, 2011, and so on need be on the same standard) or is there standard already there? Orion11M87 (talk) 19:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You can go to the 2008 talk page and start a section just like you started one on my page.
 * Personally I think that the short dash should be used, because it is common to all computers, the longer dash is, (I think), only used on Microsoft computers, (from MS Word).
 * It is nice to have a standard, but for that kind of things you need to talk with many other editors and come to an agreement as to what is best. Use the 2008 talk page as it is the 'busiest' one. FFMG (talk) 19:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

OK Thanks Orion11M87 (talk) 20:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

List of countries by military expenditures-NATO flag
I've been watching this page for quite a while now and their seems to be some conflict over whether the entry in the table for NATO should have the NATO flag next to it. Could you tell me why this is? It seems strange to me that this be the only entry without an identifying symbol.Rossheth | Talk to me 10:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * According to Image:Flag_of_NATO.svg the image can only be used "To illustrate the subject in question", the articles that use the image have a rational for using it, the article on military expenditure does not have such rational. FFMG (talk) 11:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah I see. I wrongly assumed that there was some sort of ideological basis for the conflict. Instead it's perfectly uncontroversial image licensing.Rossheth | Talk to me 12:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

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Durban
Hi, I think you're being much too quick to delete. A United Nations report is hardly a 'dubious' source. And the reports cited ALL do make reference to events in Durban. If you take the time to read them through you'll see.

Cheers

Zenboy 10:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Please see page 28 of this report by an international human rights organisation in geneva:
 * http://lib.ohchr.org/HRBodies/UPR/Documents/Session1/ZA/COHRE_ZAF_UPR_S1_2008_CentreonHousingRightsandEvictions_uprsubmission.pdf 11:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Rlogan2 and 2008 Obama mention

 * I removed the bit about Obama due to the discussions we had and i think due to me, you and another guy agree that Obama becoming a democrat nominee shouldnt be included in the 2008 article. But after i have remove the Obama bit Rlogan2 otherwise known as Emperorofblackpeopleeverywhere (or something like that) has reverted me, i would remove the Obama bit again but then the editor would just revert again. Any ideas? Pro66 (talk) 23:00, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Update, i reverted him again saying that 3 people inclu. me and you disagree with him only for him to revert again and for him to say "three people doesnt constitue right from wrong..and i could care less". Pro66 (talk) 00:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * K well if he reverts one more time then we have no choice but to report him, the number of editors that has disagree with him is now at 4 inclu. me and you. There is a list of admins that we can check to contact if the editor in question decides to act again. For the cookie no problemo ;) Pro66 (talk) 09:37, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Just seen that the editor has ignored us and the discussion on the talk page, i think it is time to report him as his behaviour is unacceptable on wikipedia. Pro66 (talk) 15:00, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well usually when someone breaks 3RR another tends to reports it and tell them about their 3RR report however i think you right that we should warn him firsthand when he reverts again (i think he done so about 4 times already) but he if he ignores that warning then a report would be definatly be nessecary for the editor. Pro66 (talk) 15:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello again i have yet again manage to come across the same user on a another article, the user keeps adding irrelevent trivia to the The Deposition episode of The office, a person has removed it twice only for Rlogan2 as usual to revert again, i have revert him saying that the trivia is irrelevant and that but yet again he chose to break the 3RR with a edit summary of "it is useful to many fans..your poor attitude is not". i have done my final edit for the artilce for now with an edit summary warn that we will report him IF he reverts one more time. Pro66 (talk) 01:55, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Russsian military spending
why delete the russian military spending for 2009 the figures is almost $95 billion http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7620972.stm  why not make the link work insteed of delete it,          —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.161.51.140 (talk) 09:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem is not with the Russian figures, it is with the other changes you are making on the page. Just change the Russian values, move _all_ the numbers down by one and leave everything else alone. FFMG (talk) 10:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok thanks       but i dont know how to do that      i am not aware of the problem  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.88.130.214 (talk) 13:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey FFMG    i think there is a confusion in the west about the russian military spending  because the figures for the national defence in 2009 is 1.278 billion rubles around $50 billion,   but the Russian defence budget is split in two,  there is also the national security budget, that budget is 1.085 billion rubles around $41 billion,  the  national security budget is the budget that takes care of the Russian military salaries and pensions.

so the Russian Defence budget is 2.363 billion rubles, thats $91.400.300 billion and that is almost the same figures that Vladimir Putin was saying in Sep 16 'Nearly 2.4 trillion rubles ($94.23 billion) will be allocated for the needs of national defence and security,' Putin said. 'This is an increase of 27 percent.' http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e1a125b4-83f9-11dd-bf00-000077b07658.html.

you can see the figures on this page, it is in Russian but you can translate. http://www.aif.ru/article/print/article_id/21343.

what do you think? shall it not be mentioned that the Russian defence budget is $91.400.300 billion in 2009, and not only $50 billion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.161.51.66 (talk) 20:09, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Xenophobia in South Africa
Have a look? Since our discussion I've beefed up the pre-2008 section considerably. However, I think I've pretty much exhausted the online resources, so if you disagree with the title based on the current state we'd better discuss it. Also, I've reworked the intro to fit the broader article better, but I have to admit it is not necessarily an improvement. The original intro was well and independently sourced; the new one is an unsourced synthesis of the rest of the article.

The next step is compressing the May 2008 section with more abstraction and less blow-by-blow. But I'm uncomfortable doing that before the name debate is settled. 9Nak (talk) 16:32, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

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On Reversions
I don't know how should we explain to this user, it has kept adding the entry and has written the same analogy (or ideology) as before, which is still in non-notable. — Orion11M87 (talk) 07:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we should revert his changes one more time, (if need be), and then give him a warning. If he continues we can then report him.
 * In any case the reference he is giving is not even related to the entry he is trying to add. FFMG (talk) 07:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, one more warning, and then report. — Orion11M87 (talk) 07:30, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The report of revert war is overdue by three times. What should we do, no one else comes up and helps on this user's problem (or misunderstanding). This user happens to be affected by the shooting due to the locality of it. I think it is the time to do something, we or someone else should give warning of reversion war. — Orion11M87 (talk) 21:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That user is trying to recruit more people to help argument on NIU notability, here User_talk:IvoShandor, User_talk:HuskyHuskie, and User_talk:Derek.cashman. — Orion11M87 (talk) 04:58, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, so lets hold on, if s/he comes back alone or with-someone, we will discuss more. If still s/he keeps restoring, one of us will give warning over revert war. Then if still continued, we will report to a administrator. — Orion11M87 (talk) 20:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

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