User talk:FFN Leeflang/sandbox

New page by a new user
I would like to create this page, but I want to make sure I'm doing it right. Please let me know how I can improve this page.

Things I might still need - A COI? - Links to sources? Most likely external sources, or would the organisation's website suffice?

Thanks, FFN Leeflang (talk) 11:49, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, FFN Leeflang! Yes, you will need both of those things. I'm not sure what your relationship to FFN is, but if you are employed/paid by them, you should read WP:PAID for information about mandatory disclosures of your paid-editor status. Even if not, you should check out WP:PSCOI for guidance, including information on how to disclose your connected-contributor status.
 * Now, as for the article itself, the most important thing is finding reliable sources for this topic. The goal of Wikipedia is not to cover every possible subject under the sun; rather, the goal is to only cover topics that are deemed notable. The rough definition of notability for Wikipedia purposes is expressed in the general notability guideline: A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.
 * The reason for this is Wikipedia's core policy of verifiability, which is to say that all content in Wikipedia should be able to be verified by a reference to a reliable source. If there aren't enough reliable sources that discuss a topic, we can't write anything verifiably about it, so we can't have an article. So, your article will need to cite multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject itself and cover the subject in some depth, and stick to that covered material. The organization's website of course won't be sufficient for this purpose, since it's not independent.
 * One more thing I'd note is to be sure to steer away from any language that reads overly promotional. Wikipedia is supposed to cover topics neutrally, and language that comes from connected contributors is often not the most neutral. Phrases like to support and celebrate young, dedicated wildlife conservationists across the world read more like the contents of a press release than a neutral Wikipedia article, and should be avoided.
 * Thanks, and welcome to Wikipedia! I know that's a lot of information to throw at you, so please feel free to ask any followup questions. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 14:36, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Writ Keeper, thank you for your answer! I will read the paid-link and will go through the text to make sure the language is neutral. I used Whitley Awards (UK) as a base reference which did include some similar wording, but I will make sure to edit our text.
 * I will add reliable sources to the page as well! FFN Leeflang (talk) 09:13, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Writ Keeper
 * I have hopefully improved on the notability and verifiability of my content, would you be able to check my page again or should I ask for help from another user?
 * I have read through the pages you provided and included a COI on my user page and will be adding some additional information about myself as well this week.
 * Thank again! FFN Leeflang (talk) 07:52, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Help me!
Please help me with... I am working on improving the sandbox draft on my user page. Note: I am connected to the Future For Nature Foundation.

I have worked on this informative page and tried to make it as objective as possible. I have compared it to similar organisations, such as the :FFN LeeflangWhitley Awards. I included the input from a fellow Wikipedian about the objectivity and need for references.

Would anybody be so kind as to help me improve my sandbox draft for publication? FFN Leeflang (talk) 07:06, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The help me template should not be used to solicit help with content. Content improvement is what nearly every article or draft needs.
 * In the case of this draft, I see that you have used as sources various announcements of the prizes being awarded - some of these may be independent reporting but most, at first glance, seem to be press releases or other publicity generated by the organization.
 * In order to meet the notability criteria that apply to organizations, you will need to find sources that are specifically about the organization, independent (no press releases), and with significant coverage (no brief mentions). There is also a matter of deciding if a source is "routine" or not when looking at a draft for an organization. These criteria are (on purpose) fairly hard to meet. I won't get into discussing whether other, existing articles have met these criteria.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 07:33, 3 May 2023 (UTC)