User talk:FT2/ATA

The following are a list of arguments that can commonly be seen in deletion debates at templates for deletion, images and media for deletion, categories for discussion, stub types for deletion, redirects for discussion and especially articles for deletion which should generally be avoided, or at least, supplemented with some more arguments. The reason they should be avoided is because they are not based upon the issues listed at Deletion policy, but are rather arguments based from side issues that are not relevant to the issue of whether or not a page on Wikipedia should be deleted. When taking part in deletion debates, then, it's best to base arguments on the policies of Neutral point of view, no original research, verifiability and what Wikipedia is not.

As this essay tries to stimulate people to use sound arguments in deletion discussions, it is important to realize that countering the keep or delete arguments of other people by simply referring them to this essay is not encouraged (see also the section Just a policy or guideline below). Furthermore, remember that a reason which arguably could be classified as an "argument to avoid", can still have some valid points in it. For example, if a person argues for why an article is WP:INTERESTING, and the arguments for "interesting" are also reasonable arguments for "encyclopedic", it is wrong to summarily dismiss that argument just because WP:INTERESTING is a section in this essay.

Just a vote
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Example: Keep --VoteyMcVoteson 01:01, 1 January 2001 (UTC)

Just a policy or guideline
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Example: Delete violates WP:NOR --Policylover 01:01, 1 January 2001 (UTC)

Per nominator
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Example: Delete per nom. Trustfull 04:04, 4 April 2004 (UTC)

It is unencyclopedic
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Example: Delete as unencyclopedic. --Cyclops 06:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Just not notable
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 * Example: Delete as non-notable. --NotableGuru 16:25, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Example: Keep it's clearly notable. --NNotabilityDiviner 01:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't lose the information
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Example: Keep because we would lose the information otherwise. --Redundant Redundant 13:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Badly written article
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Example: Delete, the article is rubbish. --Rubbish McTrashtalker 13:13, 08 June 2007 (UTC)

I like it
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Example: Keep The Flailing Hairnets are the best rock band in the world right now. --Superbestfan 02:02, 2 February 2002 (UTC)

I don't like it
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Example: Delete as cruft. --Cruftbane 03:03, 3 March 2003 (UTC)

I don't care
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Example: Delete, who cares about this stuff anyway? --Indifferent 17:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

This number is big
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Example: Keep, an Internet forum with 3,000 members / a magazine with 37,000 subscribers / a micronation with a population of 9,400 is notable. --Countvonnotable 04:56, 7 August 2006

It's funny
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Example: Keep This article is hilarious. --ComedyExpert 12:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I've never heard of it
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Example: Delete. Well I've never heard of it so it must be a hoax. --Iknownothing 00:07, 1 April 2004 (UTC) Example: Delete. Who outside of (name locality) has ever even heard of this person/place/thing? --Notknownhere 14:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Better here than there
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Example: Keep - If this article is not kept then people will just keep putting it back into another article. --BHTT 06:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

People put a lot of work into it
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Example: Keep - Lots of people have worked on this. -- TheyWorked

Nobody's working on it
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Example: Delete - Article has been here for 2 years and is still a stub! --TheyDidntWork

It's only a guideline/essay
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Examples:
 * Keep WP:EXAMPLE is an essay, not policy. User:DissentingView 18:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:XYZ is only a guideline. User:RulesLawyer 18:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

It's useful
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Example: Keep: useful. --Usefulisgood 05:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

It's interesting
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Example: Keep: interesting. --Fascinated 05:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

What about article x?
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Examples:

Keep there's an article on x, and that's just as famous as this. --KingPrecedent 04:04, 4 April 2004 (UTC)

Delete we don't have an article on y, so we shouldn't have an article on this --KingPrecedent 04:04, 4 April 2004 (UTC)

Notability is inherited
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Example: Keep. It's a radio program on a notable radio station therefore the program is automatically notable. Wheredoesitend 15:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't do any harm
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Example: Keep why delete this, it isn't harming anyone. --Donoharm 05:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

It should be about everything
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Examples: Keep I thought Wikipedia's purpose was to provide information on everything. User:AllInclusive 12:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC) Keep, you're trying to remove true information! User:Alltruthful 15:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC) Keep, this thing exists, so it should be included. User:AllExisting 01:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

All or nothing
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Examples: Keep If you delete this you'll have to delete everything in Category:Wikipedia articles. --User:AllOrNothing 12:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC) Delete. We've deleted other articles in Category:Wikipedia articles, so this needs to go too. User:NothingOrAll 03:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Fame in x
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Examples: Keep John is the tallest person in my home town so should have an article about him --Smalltownboy 05:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC) Delete. People in my city haven't heard of her, so she can't be notable. -Anthropocentric 15:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Google test
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Examples:

Keep It has 345,400 Google hits, so it is clearly of interest. --GoogleBoy 04:04, 4 April 2004 (UTC)

Delete Only 10 Google hits, non-notable. --GoogleGirl 04:04, 4 April 2004 (UTC)

Repeated nominations
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Examples:


 * Keep - Didn't we argue all this just last week? --User:User 13:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep Article survived previous AFD and should not have to be subjected to this rubbish again. --User:User 13:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

It was only created for...
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Examples:


 * Delete - it was only created as a promotion page / as an attack page. --User:User 13:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)