User talk:Fabiovalves

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Leonard carter
Hello ,

It seems to me that an article you worked on, Leonard carter, may be copied from http://www.charlestonjudoclub.com/our-instructors-sensei-leonard-carter/. It's entirely possible that I made a mistake, but I wanted to let you know because Wikipedia is strict about copying from other sites.

It's important that you edit the article and rewrite it in your own words, unless you're absolutely certain nothing in it is copied. If you're not sure how to fix the problem or have any questions, there are people at the help desk who are happy to assist you.

Thank you for helping build a free encyclopedia! MadmanBot (talk) 11:17, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Leonard carter


A tag has been placed on Leonard carter, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an acceptable page. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item G11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this page is not blatant advertising,. Clicking that button will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit |the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. You are welcome to edit the page to fix this problem, but please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. As well as removing promotional phrasing, it helps to add factual encyclopaedic information to the page, and add citations from independent reliable sources to ensure that the page will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Mean as custard (talk) 11:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Hye Yunshui, do you have access to my sandbox? If yes, I've been working on the article for a little bit and I'd like to publish so other people can help me with the editing and adding moe content. Can you check it out for me?

Fabiovalves (talk) 14:47, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Your deleted article
Hi Fabiovalves. First off, I apologise - I meant to leave you a note after deleting the Leonard carter page, but real life intervened and by the time I got back to my computer I'd forgotten what I was doing. Had I left you a note, it would have said something like this:

There were a number of problems with this article. I deleted it due to its promotional tone (phrases like "one of the most influential members", "an impressive Rokudan", "the highest skilled judokas", "his proven training plan" and so on have no place in an encyclopedia), but there were other problems as well. Primarily, it seems to have been an almost verbatim copy of the Charleston Judo Club's profile of him, which makes it a copyright violation - due to the way Wikipedia is licensed, we cannot host material copied from elsewhere. There is also an issue with Mr Carter's notability - the passing mention in Black Belt is not sufficient to pass the basic inclusion requirements.

If you want to resubmit the article, I suggest you do the following. Firstly, start by creating it in a user sandbox, rather than in mainspace - you'll be given more leeway there, although copied text can and will still be deleted by other editors. A suitable sandbox would be User:Fabiovalves/Leonard Carter; just click on the red link there to start the page.

Secondly, don't copy any text from Charleston Judo Club, or anywhere else. Write about Mr Carter in your own words. Avoid using any language that might sound appropriate on his CV or website; Words to watch is a good guide for what to avoid. Try and keep to a neutral, encyclopedic tone. Don't add links to other websites within the text.

Thirdly, supply references. As a bare minimum, you need to provide two or more references that have significant coverage of Mr Carter (i.e. not passing mentions or listings), are independent of him (i.e. nothing written by him or his club) and meet the criteria for reliability.

I'm going offline now, though I may be back on later tonight. If you have any questions or need help, please leave me a note here and I'll respond as soon as I can. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Please check my Sandbox
Hye Yunshui, do you have access to my sandbox? If yes, I've been working on the article for a little bit and I'd like to publish so other people can help me with the editing and adding moe content. Can you check it out for me? Fabiovalves (talk) 14:59, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a substantial improvement, well done. In perfect honesty I would say it needs a bit more work before being put into mainspace - I'm happy to give you a hand with it but only have a few minutes wiki-time at present and won't be able to give it proper attention until Monday. If you can wait until then, I'll make it a priority once I have the time to look it over properly. Alternatively, I see you have an invite to the Teahouse below, the hosts there are extremely helpful (I should know, I am one!) and would no doubt be glad to help you out. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 17:22, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello Yunshui, My main concern is that I need the help of the other guys to add content to the article and I can't see how to do it without releasing it to the mainstream. Unless there's a way for them to access and edit my sandbox that I'm not aware of it. Thank you very much Fabiovalves (talk) 17:34, 19 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Fabivalves. I've gone into your sandbox and made some edits to it (it can be accessed and edited by anyone just like any other Wikipedia page; the difference is that it doesn't show up in searches so one has to know the exact location of the page in order to find it). Mostly I've done some slight sentence restructuring, and fixed the references from bare URLs. I have also deleted a few statements that seemed excessively hyperbolic or unverifiable (for example, "Carter had the chance to practice with the best in the art of Judo and he brought a lot of knowleadge with him" - this isn't stated in any source, and constitutes original research). I've removed the honorific "sensei"; partly because the manual of style frowns on honorifics and partly because he's only a sensei to those who study under him, not to Wikipedia's general readership. I've added tags in instances where the text is not confirmed by the sources and needs to be (there are quite a few of these). I've deleted the "Media mentions" section, as media should be used in the article as sources - I moved one source, and deleted the other (a passing mention of Carter's name in an article about Mr Cates (which claimed judo came from Tibetean monks - gotta love Sixties martial arts writing!)). If you want to revert these changes wholesale, you can do so by going to this version of the page, selecting the Edit tab, and then saving without making any changes (ignore the warning box).
 * Overall, the sources are currently too weak to support an article, I'm afraid. You have one source from a local paper (the Hendrix article) that actually talks about Carter in sufficient detail; the rest are passing mentions of him, his club or his son, and one (the Birmingham article) doesn't mention Carter or his club at all. You would need at least one more source of equivalent or better coverage than the Hendrix one to warrant inclusion of the page. You also need sources to verify all of the text that has been tagged with ; per Wikipedia's verifiability policy, all content must be derived from reliable sources. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 07:27, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey Yunshui, Thank you very much for your help. I'll be searching for more sources and adding then here. I'll let you know when I think it's ready. Fabiovalves (talk) 13:00, 24 October 2012 (UTC)