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Global F.C. WP:GAN
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Peer review request for Global F.C.
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Football in the Philippines
For the first paragraph, there's too much info with regards to the war! There's also no proper segue from war when the Americans arrived to all of a sudden football being introduced by the English! Too much info about Americans arriving and introducing basketball creates POV issues as you're making seem like it's definitive that Americans introducing basketball is the direct result of football's demise when it's not, unless you can provide several clear sources which say so but I highly doubt you could.

As for your note in the national team performance section, no need for a note! In fact that section needs to be re-written! Adding that note makes it seem like it's a statistics section when in fact it's a sub-section of a sub-section titled "Revival". Honestly I don't know how this page got GA when this article's content seems to be all over the place! Banana Fingers (talk) 11:22, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Good morning, . I was the GA reviewer for the article, and wanted to address a few of your aforementioned points. First, the first paragraph on the war was added at my request. Previously the article simply mentioned that there was a war and Americans came in, with no explanation of how. While I will stipulate that perhaps the paragraph is too long, and will copyedit as such, it does not inhibit the article from achieving a neutral point of view, except perhaps for the line "even though they had no evidence that the Spaniards bombed the warship", which I have removed. Chronologically, the first two paragraphs now make sense. I would certainly not characterize the article's content as "all over the place". Moreover, the text does not, in my opinion, explicitly assess blame for the initial demise of football on the Americans so as to violate NPOV. In fact, it more blames the demise of football initially on the fact that there was a war in general, which, though I do not have access to some of the offline sources to verify, will assume good faith that FairyTailRocks could verify upon request, if you are concerned. If your objection is to the final paragraph of that section, I just read the article to which the information is cited, and at least the latter half of the sentence ("Americans founded basketball in the Philippines in 1910 as part of the physical education curriculum in Philippine schools") is supported. It appears to me the cited surveys show cause and effect, which I think the article appropriately indicates.
 * In regards to your concern on the revival section, I was ambivalent when I saw you make the huge cut, and do not have specific expertise in the content area to adequately assess the relative importance of each international competition. However, I am also ambivalent on the note that FairyTailRocks included. Either way, it does not impede the article from meeting the GA criteria. If you have any specific GA criteria that you would like me to re-review in the event that I missed something, which is entirely possible, please feel free to let me know, though I will warn you in advance that I am incredibly busy this week, and may or may not be able to address your concern before the weekend. Thank you for sharing your concerns; they directly led to the improvement of a section of the article, and that is to be commended. Best,  Go  Phightins  !  12:36, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Fine I will remove the note, but are you sure that the whole article is "all over the place"? It was copyedited from a member of GOCE. It is supported from reliable sources. And per, the war which led to the introduction of basketball in the Philippines resulted a demise from the Americans. Because of it, football decreased its popularity which the survey given in the article speaks for itself. FairyTailRocks (talk) 11:52, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe not the entire page but most of it is, even if it is copyedited. Take a look at the "national team performance" section.  This article is about football in the Philippines, meaning football in general in the country, yet that section only refers to the men's national team from a competition to competition basis.  It definitely doesn't fit into the bigger picture which is the "history" section.  And again POV issues!  As I've already stated, you make it seem like it's definitive that the introduction of basketball by the Americans is a direct result of football's demise.  You use surveys from 100 years after basketball was introduced to back up those claims.  How do you know football didn't stay prominent while basketball was gaining popularity?  How do you know there aren't any other factors involved that led to football waning away? Banana Fingers (talk) 07:24, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Originally that section is "national team success" which only features the historic achievements the Philippines had. But asked on why only focuse on their successes? What happened during the 99-year full? So I added some data on their competitions and that is why it was later renamed "national team performance". To your POV issues, you may not notice but there is an another source no. 16. It states "However, all of that'd change in the 1900s. The entry of the Americans into the Philippine archipelago marked the birth of basketball in the Philippines. Filipinos easily embraced basketball due to its competitive and action-packed nature." "It was also during the time of American colonisation when the firstever Philippine national basketball team was formed. The team competed in the firstever (1913) Far Eastern Championship Games which was incidentally held in Manila, the capital city of the Philippines." "The Philippines dominated basketball tournaments of the Far Eastern Championship Games, finishing with a gold medal in all but one edition of the Games. Bowing only against China in 1921 and settling for a silver medal finish." "The Philippines also participated in the firstever Olympic basketball tournament, finishing fifth with a 4-1 win-loss record. The Philippine team won against Italy, Estonia, Mexico and Uruguay but failed to upset the eventual champion Team USA."


 * And ref no. 15. States, "The American colonial government first introduced basketball in the Philippines in 1910, making it part of the physical education curriculum in schools." "The Philippines National Basketball team has consistently qualified and competed internationally since 1936, and for many years was considered one of the best basketball teams in the world up to the 1960s."


 * I assume good faith that these sources are reliable. Because of basketball's early success in the Philippines even in other countries, and thanks for the Americans which are really wants us to embrace the sport. I conclude that basketball small/largely contributed the decrease of popularity for soccer. Also, GMA News wrote about the football's revival in 2011, because it was the year Philippines advances in the second round for the first time in the qualifying stages to the World Cup. This may sound child's play to you but it was historic., . FairyTailRocks (talk) 08:36, 8 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Still doesn't achieve anything! People can embrace something new (in this case basketball) and can still maintain interest in another.  These sources don't give anything definitive that football waning away during this time was solely because of the introduction of basketball.  The only thing you've proven is that basketball became prominent, period!  How do you know it wasn't only after World War II (or even sometime after) that football started to decrease in popularity?  Sure, basketball played a role in football's demise to whatever extent, but it isn't the sole reason.  And the way it's put in the article, it's leaning towards that mentality and that's a clear POV issue! Banana Fingers (talk) 13:30, 8 March 2014 (UTC)


 * This is not an official policy, in fact it states "it is above any policy". You are not using your WP:COMMONSENSE, it is said "Being too wrapped up in rules can cause loss of perspective, so there are times when it is better to ignore a rule. Even if a contribution "violates" the precise wording of a rule, it might still be a good contribution. Similarly, just because something is not forbidden in a written document, or is even explicitly permitted, doesn't mean it's a good idea in the given situation." I have already explained it earlier, the effect shows that basketball became prominent while the cause shows football decrease in popularity. And on what Go Phightins! said "it more blames the demise of football initially on the fact that there was a war in general" Analyze carefully on the diagram in common sense. FairyTailRocks (talk) 14:27, 8 March 2014 (UTC)


 * An "early years" section with info about something in 1910 to surveys from 2012.... I think you should use your common sense? Banana Fingers (talk) 19:34, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

The purpose of the survey is the effect on how basketball was so popular against football after hundreds of years. Then fine I will rename it as "introduction". FairyTailRocks (talk) 10:01, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

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This is in regards of you reverting my "Kit History" edit in the Global FC page. What do you mean by "no refs given"? Do I need to reference every kit design because when looking at other kit history of other wiki pages the kit designs don't necessarily have references like in the Philippine and Japan national football team pages. I would really want to have that section to archive the kits of Global. Thanks and hope you reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OriginalName12 (talk • contribs) 05:48, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey ! Thank you for your concerns about the article, I would like to remind you that it is currently nominated for a good article promotion which states in the criteria that a good article "provides in-line citations from reliable sources for direct quotations, statistics. [and] published opinion ... it also contains no original research" In short, yes you need some references or sources for the "Kit History" section to avoid original research.


 * For the articles you gave, it doesn't mean they don't have any references we will immediately follow it, I assume good faith that those are true but it is better to have sources for the readers to verify. FairyTailRocks 09:52, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response, I search around the Global FC website and found these articles:
 * http://www.globalfc.ph/feature/lgr-gfc-winning-pair http://www.globalfc.ph/news/global-fc-honor-typhoon-victims-new-kit http://www.globalfc.ph/feature/global-fc-inks-deal-atleta-sportswear-official-outfitter
 * Would these articles be adequate references to the kits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OriginalName12 (talk • contribs) 01:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * @, first of all, sign your posts or messages in talk pages of other users especially mine. For those links, the first one only focuses the sponsorship deal from AtletA aportswear, plus the picture shows many kits in which it will be confusing to the readers. The second one is just a zoom picture of the club's logo. The third one looks good but it needs a date to be verified. The "Kits Section" is just optional in football club articles and here in Wikipedia it is better to not mentioning it than having original research. See WP:WHYCITE for more. FairyTailRocks 23:24, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

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