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Your GA nomination of CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder
The article CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Peacemaker67 -- Peacemaker67 (talk) 16:40, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

HAL Tejas issues
Hi Faizan. I don't know if the bot will come by and let you know, but I reviewed the article here. Unfortunately I had to fail it about mid-way through because I found serious close paraphrasing and plagiarism problems. I don't think this comes from any specific individual (or at least I don't know yet if it does) but the result is that the article has to be completely re-written. As it stands I'd say close to 30-50% of the body text is suspect (assuming that the sections I didn't review had the same problems) and I don't think I could stub the article down myself without protecting it (which I won't do). Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. If you're willing to re-write the article I can continue looking for plagiarized sections but I'd almost recommend that each section be re-written defensively anyway. Protonk (talk) 22:53, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder
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A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks TG! Yeah.... am trying my best. Fai  zan  12:43, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Well, why asking a question through a barnstar? I don't think that it is possible because of the licensing issues. ISPR does not specify the license they use, and thus non-free images cannot be uploaded here. Fai  zan  16:33, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Aren't government images supposed to be in public domain in Pakistan? It's true for US, so should check for this case too. -- lTopGunl (talk) 16:37, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * the barn star is for you...im not sure where i can check...can you help out plzz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saadkhan12345 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. But as per WP:STAR, you ought to explain why it was given. I am unsure about the government images in Pakistan. Fai  zan  16:42, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You will need to check (a customized google search maybe) for copyright laws in Pakistan concerning images taken by government or government personnel on tour of duty. -- lTopGunl (talk) 16:45, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * From Copyright law of Pakistan, "Certain acts are said not to constitute an infringement of copyright (s. 57). These include inter alia the reproduction or publication of certain Government works (unless prohibited; cl. q)". Fai  zan  16:54, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No detail is given, and I am uncertain regarding the use of ISPR images. Fai  zan  17:08, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Meaning of motive
I don't see anything wrong in motive: Operation Zarb-e-Azb against militants. The operation is the cause for which Jundullah did attack. It is totally ridiculous asking in the way you asked. Please see this and you'll come to know it may be only YOU who did not know the meaning.  SAMI  talk 9:50 pm, Today (UTC+5)


 * You actually have problem with the usage of the word "Islamic terrorism", as you did here. Fai  zan  16:52, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It is in fact you who has problem. Their cause/motive is Zarb-e-Azb operation against them and the Islamic terrorism is not the motive but the act. You are getting biased with the word Islamic terrorism, repeating it again and again all the way. Instead see this  SAMI  talk 16:57, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This 2014 Wagah Border attack could simply be redirected to your article. Why did you speedy it? Fai  zan  17:01, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This was not intentional. Had the article I started been the duplicate, I would have placed speedy deletion tag on it.  SAMI  talk 17:05, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * An IP from India did elucidate it here, and I was doing the same. Their motive was not "itself Operation Zarb-e-Azb" but in fact was "response to the operation". And that response was in the form of terrorism. Fai  zan  17:17, 2 November 2014 (UTC)


 * And see this comment by too.  Fai  zan  12:27, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Operation Zarb-e-Azb
Regarding this, is there a source or you just assumed that the operation involves Afghan militants? Please source such a claim.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 18:25, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I added it on August 14, 2014. The sources are present in the Timeline already, Anyway I have added them to the infox too here. Fai  zan  12:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * But the Pakistani news reports you cited do not even mention "Afghan militants".  I haven't heard of any Afghan militant group fighting against Pakistan.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 14:02, 3 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I think Krzyhorse22 has a point...theres no mention of afghan militias ...as haqqanis are pakistani and tehrek taliban splinter groups are also pakistani.Saadkhan12345 (talk) 15:02, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Saadkhan12345 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I think there's a point. Further discussion to take place at the article's talk. Fai  zan  14:34, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup 2014: The results
The 2014 WikiCup champion is, who flew the flag of the Smithsonian Institution. This was Godot13's first WikiCup competition and, over the 10 months of the competition, he has produced (among other contributions) two featured lists and an incredible 292 featured pictures, including architectural photographs and scans of historical documents. , 2012 and 2013 WikiCup champion, came in second, having written a large number of biology-related articles. , WikiCup finalist every year since 2010, finished in third.

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 * wins the prize for first place and the FP prize for 181 featured pictures in the final round.
 * wins the prize for second place and the DYK prize for 65 did you knows in the final round.
 * wins the prize for third place and the FA prize for four featured articles in the final round.
 * wins the prize for fourth place
 * wins a final 8 prize.
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 * wins the GA prize for 27 good articles in round 2 and the review prize for 28 good article reviews in round 1.
 * wins the FL prize for three featured lists in round 2.
 * wins the FPo prize his work on featured portals.
 * wins the topic prize for a nine-article featured topic in round 3.
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Zarb-e-Azb
according to you the forces which are stationed for the Operation Zarb-e-Azb are attacked by Afghan terrorists, the counter attack simply makes it a part of the Operation...thn the terrorist which are based in north waziristan are attacked by CIA drone strike, thn it simply makes it a part of the operation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saadkhan12345 (talk • contribs) 16:26, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, the Americans have a different agenda than Pakistan. That's the core reason of the varying relationship between the two countries. If the operating forces are attacked, counter attacks are a part of the operation. CIA drone strikes are a whole other story (which Pakistan officially opposes). Unless explicitly stated that it is an under hand deal to align the drone strikes with the operation, it can not be said that the drone strikes are supporting the operation. Often these drone strikes have resulted in counter productive results and created more conflict between the two countries. America is a third party now unlike in 2001 when things were more aligned. Just an outside opinion to your question. Faizan might think differently though. Also, please remember to sign your comment by using four tildes ( ~ ). -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 16:34, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * And CIA drone strikes are not a whole other story...(which pakistan does not oppose http://m.aljazeera.com/story/20131127145212604294 )..... DRONE STRIKES ARE SUPPORTING THE OPERATION>>>>And so do yu think the militants from afghanistan are under a deal with the opposition in waziristan? I see what you are trying to say is that if border militants from afghanistan attack forces involved in operation zarb-e-azb...its make em part of the Operation and so it is so for the drone strikes... Saadkhan12345 (talk) 06:44, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * It's another story. Have you got any reliable source declaring drone strikes as pat of the Operation? Agreed with TopGun, counterattacks by the forces stationed for Zarb-e-Azb make it a part of the offensive. Fai  zan  11:04, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 16:40, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

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Requested dispute resolution
Hi there. DR/N can be used to file a request at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. - a process for resolving a dispute over article content between two or more editors. It is unable to address disputes primarily concerning user conduct - they should be discussed with the users involved first, and failing that directed here.

This process can: This process cannot:
 * In brief: dispute resolution should be used when you:
 * Have a dispute with another editor and need help resolving it
 * Are willing to discuss the issues in a calm and civil manner
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Islamic State
I think we should remove Islamic state from belligerent...read here BTW I dont know why your quiet on the DR/N but please fill out the summary of the dispute by Faizan. Also please rename this file. Saadkhan12345 (talk) 14:01, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have moved the file, and have started an RfC at the concerned article's talk. Fai  zan  12:49, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

DR/N
look Faizan...your currently engaged in a conflict on Operation zarb-e-azb and it would be appreciated if you filled out the Summary of dispute by Faizan''' in the DR/N. If you willing to ignore this and not solve this through consensus thn plz stay away from reverting etc on the article.''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saadkhan12345 (talk • contribs)
 * I could not participate at the DRN, I am busy and on a wikibreak. An SPI and threads at ANI cannot go on simultaneously with a DRN, and we suspect the other user of socking. Fai  zan  12:51, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What do you mean SPI and ANI thread cannot go on simultaneously. Krzyhorse did. Saadkhan12345 (talk) 14:21, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Autopatrolled
Hi Faizan, I just wanted to let you know that I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3A added] the autopatrolled right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 15:08, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about WikiProject Deletion sorting/Nevada
Hello, Faizan,

I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether it should be deleted. Your comments are welcome.

If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CE9A:860:5CC9:FA2F:BEE7:E722 (talk) 19:12, 27 November 2014 (UTC)