User talk:Faizan/Archive 3

Nomination for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Muhammad Shafi Malik is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Muhammad Shafi Malik until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Darkness Shines (talk) 02:00, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Notifications box replacement prototypes released
Hey Faizan Al-Badri; Kaldari has finished scripting a set of potential replacements available to test and give feedback on. Please go to this thread for more detail on how to enable them. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 14:52, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Arctic  Kangaroo  08:38, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Verbatim corporation
Assalam o Alaikum brother!

Verbatim is original Japan corporation, not US. You can see it on Verbatim Corporation page. And I make right change, but you revert it to wrong.

Mikeev (talk) 08:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * As it was a disambiguation page, I have replaced it again, thanks!  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   08:44, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

New alteration
Thanks! Buddy! I have been here since 2007 but I left this work in late 2008. Since then I have seen many topics on our country, which need to be revise, as many of them have not much valid information. So lets work together and made some difference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shamie362 (talk • contribs) 09:27, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, see the topics and read the rules and regulations of Wikipedia properly before regular editing. I wish you best of luck. But remember to have a look on WP:FIVEPILLARS  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   09:38, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Advice from an old man
Dear Faisan, it looks like an IR violation. We must monitor ourselves more strictly than those who disagree with us often do. Never allow emotions or pride or truth to get in the way of meticulous adherence to policy: really invaluable editors learn that, and if they are notified of a slip, no matter by whom, they do well to display the correct attitude and revert. It's pointless to worry Arbcom, or argue on these matters there when a simple admission of a slipup can mend the error. True, this often means that rubbish is restored, but you should have some confidence, esp. in the present case, that other editors will ensure that it is eliminated in a very short time. Regards, and best wishes for your exams. Nishidani (talk) 11:16, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This student will stick to your advice, Sir! You need not to worry, I am sorry if my citing of your note in support to my revert, caused any problem for you, anyway forget that. Cheers.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   12:34, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry to interrupt, but I believe Nishidani meant you ought to self-revert your last edit to the Palestinian people, so you won't get blocket for 1RR violation. I would support his advice, the article will eventually end up having a map that complies with consensus and for your own benefit you shouldn't risk being blocked over this. IRR is draconically enforced, it doesn't matter whether you are factual right or wrong when you violate it. (It may look like Greenberg is in violation of IRR and may risk being blocked as well). Regards, Iselilja (talk) 13:12, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have reverted my edits, and restored to the previous revision by Greenberg, Thanks for your advice.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   15:29, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Fine. Hope your exams go well. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 15:46, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * I had a cool breakfast today, Thanking you!  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   05:55, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Deletion sorting/Academics and educators
I removed two entries you added to WikiProject Deletion sorting/Academics and educators. That deletion sorting list is about *people* who are academics or educators, not academic books or institutions. It would have been more appropriate to list those entries on WikiProject Deletion sorting/Science or WikiProject Deletion sorting/Schools. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

No Worries on reverting. Understand.
Hi Faizan, thanks for suggesting to talk. No worries, I understand why it needs to revert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lionelloh (talk • contribs)
 * Good job!  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   11:14, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for the tea...   Strike   Σagle    01:21, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sweet and Delicious!   Faizan   -  Let's talk!   11:18, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations from STiki!

 * Good job! :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛  Talk Email 10:36, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Vibhi!   Faizan   -  Let's talk!   11:22, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Yintan
Fully retired? Look carefully... Arctic  Kangaroo  13:49, 10 May 2013 (U TC)
 * He reverts others' messages! Nothing to do with retirement.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   14:10, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Arctic  Kangaroo  14:15, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Haha..... Lol, why was I so mad to ignore it?  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   14:19, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Many vandal fighters still use Huggle, probably you didn't notice it. Even me, sometimes I will use Huggle as well. Some others also use STiki. Cheers. Arctic   Kangaroo  14:40, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah.. even I use it, but not with the pace with which Yintan used to!  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   14:57, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * When I use Huggle, about 40-50% of the time I beat other users, while the other 50-70%, I'm beaten by other Hugglers and ClueBot NG. But I'm not sure, that may change in some time.  Arctic   Kangaroo  15:00, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Frederik Andersen at Worlds 2013
Hi,

I deleated Frederik Andersen from the list because he is not included on the Danish 2013 IIHF World Championships roster due to club commitment. Of course he would be on the roster if his NHL team had not qualified for play-offs, but because the list reflects the Danish WC roster for 2013 he should not be there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.49.187.207 (talk) 13:50, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * What's this "club commitment"? Please do provide a brief edit summary while editing and only do such changes in presence of reliable sources as per WP:RS.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   14:16, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Elections..
So all set?...Can we expect an Indian-friendly government atleast this time???......Hows the public pulse..are there any chances for Imran Khan to win it? Cheers,   Strike   Σagle    16:47, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Obviously, No hate with India is there in Pakistani people, and there would be a split-mandate, or a coalition government! We are hoping for the best, and Imran Khan, if he wins, has promised a "New Pakistan". Really, I don't know why these countries fought four wars, peace is now the public pulse of both countries, and that's it.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   16:53, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, it's not the people to blame at all...but the government...Pakistani govts dictators have always been unfriendly and started wars uselessly.... I don't think that would stop if Nawaz Sharif comes into power again...I remember the Kargil War...I hope Imran Khan could come to power...All the Best,   Strike   Σagle    01:28, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, the Pakistani dictators were not alone in this brutality with the people of the subcontinent, obviously they were not so mad to start a war without a context! But anyway, The people here are hoping for the best, may they succeed! And Thanks for your inquisition on the topic! Cheers.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   05:18, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I edited the Pakistani general election page, as far as the citation for the date is concerned, simply because if one takes a look at other election pages on Wikipedia, one does not see citations on the date, within the infobox. Also, since you seem to be very active on Wikipedia, I would urge you to ensure that the election page remains politically neutral and the serious instances of incorrect grammar are corrected. Un.autre.monde (talk) 02:24, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * @Un.Autre A reference at the infobox will not be a new thing, Secondly you removed that link from the lead too, I thought that there may be a problem with that link. And as far as WP:NPOV is concerned, it will be ensured, no doubt. Thanking you for your reply! Wish you the best!  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   05:18, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey,you from Pakistan!I from India:).Did you like my edit?117.199.161.65 (talk) 10:05, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes! Welcome to WIkipedia!  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   10:06, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Pakistani people are far to retarded too vote for change they will stick with that son of a ***** Sharif or Zardari. Mr Khan has no chance of winning this R.I.P Pakistan. 81.157.192.66 (talk) 16:40, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Vote for change? Haha, recent Malaysian general elections, the Opposition (Pakatan Rakyat) and its supporters keep asking for and shouting for Ubah! (change in Bahasa Melayu) Arctic   Kangaroo  16:55, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * 81.157.192.66 is an IP sock of Nangparbat. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:03, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah... If you don't have strong candidates, then this simple word of "change" is not enough!  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   04:59, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The Punjabis have made Mr. Nawāz the next prime minister... Congrats Faizan, your tiger won! I supported Mr. Khan but I regret people did not vote for him. I do not think this is a change. But there is another change... These elections were that change and our people need a bit of training to familiarise themselves with this democratic process and to choose the right leaders. Let us hope for the best. But now, as the Muslim League is victorious, I hope they bring about the change which THEY promised... Should I hope to have metro bus in Karachi by next year as promised by Mr. Shehbāz?—S yɛd  Шαм iq  Aнм ɛd  Hαsнм i  (тα l к) 19:12, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Pakistan Muslim League (N) was supported from all over the country, not only from Punjab, but from the other provinces too. Mian Nawaz Sharif is likely to be the next Premier of Pakistan.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   04:59, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * O.K. O.K. do not feel bad of my comment. —S yɛd  Шαм iq  Aнм ɛd  Hαsнм i  (тα l к) 07:33, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Eh... nothing to do with that!  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   08:20, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Mughal Empire
Can you explain why you are reverting my edits to Mughal Empire wholesale without proper justification, branding them "unconstructive"? Srkris (talk) 09:54, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Your edits were without a summary! Please read WP:ES. You are constantly adding Non-Neutral content there without reliable sources. Please refrain from such edits prior to discussion at talk.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   10:20, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Further dscussion at Talk:Mughal Empire.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   10:20, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

 * Lol don't mention it! No thanks deserved for this.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   13:08, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe this is of interest to you  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.110.236.89 (talk) 09:29, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have subscribed, thanks!  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   09:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Good luck on your exams!
That is all. ( of User talk:Yintan). DMacks (talk) 04:06, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Eh... Thanks; almost dead due to them.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   05:58, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

SPA?
So my account is a fucking SPA? I am surprised, I do not think you should edit the article to comment at AfD, even if that is the case I have few edits to the article.-sarvajna (talk) 12:11, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That template is for those, who have not edited the article before at all at AfD.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   12:19, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No it is not, it is for Single-purpose account or newly created accounts and IPs who do not normally contribute to the topic area. I have reverted your tagging of an account registered since Aug 28, 2007 Darkness Shines (talk) 12:29, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Faizan, do you even understand why AfDs are relisted, it is not done so that people edit the article, it done so that people discuss at AfD. There is no requirement that you need to edit an article to participate in AfD. -sarvajna (talk) 12:37, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I am an SPA? What the heck? Self-revert or else I will. Mr T  (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 12:39, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅. Mr T  (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 12:41, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I regret if I made any mistake, I did not intend to declare the users as "SPA" but just to demonstrate that they had not made substantial edits to the article, I added that tag. I am sorry if that template caused any disgust.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   08:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * got your point but people need not make edits to participate at AfD, why would I edit an article if I think it should be deleted? -sarvajna (talk) 09:19, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I have already regretted for it.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   09:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: Islam
Nobody's story of entering Islam is ever short. I sent Wamiq an email, so if you send him an off-Wiki email he could give you some information about how to find me. In short, I was a follower of New Atheism until I realized that claiming atheism requires as many dogmatic beliefs as does monotheism. From that point, I began asking questions and found many of my comrades were as upset by that as a stereotypical Sunday school nun. I converted after trying to prove Islam wrong and failed. Don't be impressed, though. Born Muslims have this weird idea that converts are better than them because we chose. That's wrong. We come from materialist societies where people have empty hearts and respect very little, even their own parents. We need to learn a lot from you born Muslims. MezzoMezzo (talk) 08:46, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That's great Mezzo! I will contact Wamiq. Well the reality is that the born Muslims do not care, they are given a religion, free of cost. And thus they don't care and fall short. I really appreciate your journey, there is still a lot to do for Muslims. I will wish you best of luck for your future too. Congrats for your new life! And a Miracle indeed it is.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   08:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
-- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 09:12, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

PMLN
Pakistan Muslim League - N's agenda is purely economic. It has Islamic conservative roots and Punjabi leanings but it is neither Punjabi nationalist nor Islamic conservative. References do not prove the points. --Ahmed 313-326 (talk) 17:28, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Replied on your talk.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   05:21, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi
Hi,

Sorry for not showing my reasoning for edit. How do I do that? I changed it as it was talking about electrocardiography in the echocardiography section, I moved it to the appropriate section and edited the formatting... but now I'm confused as to what to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.2.50 (talk) 08:46, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia! Read WP:ES for help on summary!  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   08:50, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello dear! Thanks for welcoming me in my talk page. Take care.Naved77 (talk) 05:29, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Jacob hansen revert
...what? Did you even look at the page? Why did you uw me? Dea db  eef  08:47, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Deadbeef! Actually I intended to revert the page creator who was removing the deletion tags.  Faizan   -  Let's talk!   08:50, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, got it. HG can be finnicky like that sometimes. No worries. Dea  db  eef  08:52, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Faizan  -  Let's talk!   08:53, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Is my signature ok now? Fai  zan  09:03, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL, I was looking for it for years, thanks for your message here! I love this sign! Fai  zan  09:03, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hah, go right ahead. Maybe I'll be a WP trendsetter.  Dea  db  eef  09:07, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You are already! :P  Fai  zan  09:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Why did you tag that page as G7 (user requests speedy deletion)? The page is a clear A7, and was tagged as such; but adding the G7 tag makes it a completely uncontroversial speedy deletion, which this wasn't (according to the page creator I mean). Fram (talk) 10:16, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah... I actually intended to revert the page creator, and after that Huggle automatically tagged the article under G7. I did not want G7 tag. Fai  zan  10:34, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation. They are nice, all these tools to help us, but they have unintended consequences sometimes... Fram (talk) 13:09, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, these tools really help us, but "To err are tools", and thanks Fram. Fai  zan  13:11, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
OrangesRyellow (talk) 09:30, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Mukti Bahini‎
Two things, one you should not be on ANI asking for MrT to be warned over his cussing when you do the same thing, MrT at least has an excuse for getting emotional over what he was editing, you however did not. The second is that it is common knowledge that 3 million killed is the upper bound estimate for those killed, if as your user page suggests had expanded this article you would obviously know this. Your user page also says you helped expand the liberation war article, yet you choose to remove information which is easily sourced. Try not to do that again. I am also still waiting on your sources for MB torture camps, whatever happened to those? Darkness Shines (talk) 12:27, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Three things, one that the "common knowledge" is not valid for putting such figures. You ought to give references for those figures. Second, as far as MrT is concerned, you also did the same once. I did not ask for him to be warned, that was a comment. Otherwise, many other titles were available in bold for replacement of my "Comment". Thirdly, the torture camps of Mukti Bahini existed, no doubt, and even Mukti Bahini had friendly bilateral relations with the Republic of India, I know you are waiting curiously for those references as far as Mukti is concerned, and just after my exams you will get them though. Fai  zan  12:35, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I swear quite often, but see no swearing in that diff. You have restored your previous edits RE War Crimes allegations again useing primary sources and one you point blank refused to discuss previously. I have started a section on the talk page, please head on over there to respond to my questions lest I have to revert you. Darkness Shines (talk) 12:41, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The sources may be the same, but the text is entirely different. You will have to wait more for getting info on "torture camps". Fai  zan  12:44, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You also just hit 4RR with this removal, please self revert. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not. That's entirely another section and no controversy was there. Fai  zan  13:02, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Thane formerly Guðsþegn (talk) 16:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion at Michael Moss
Hi Faizan. I've declined your speedy deletion request for this page. A person who has won a Pulitzer Prize is inherently notable, and is in no way a candidate for deletion under A7. It's easy to confirm, too; ten seconds on Google would have provided you with ample sources verifying the facts of the article. I have no idea why you'd think an A7 tag was appropriate. Please take more care when tagging articles for CSD in future. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  12:24, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Regrets with reply at the talk. Fai  zan  12:39, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Revizto page "speedy deletion"
Hello, Fazian!

You have marked our page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revizto with "speedy deletion" tag with reference to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#A7

This page is about innovative software product for architects that use Autodesk Revit and Trimble Sketchup. Our users can save hundreds of hours by using Revizto technology that converts architecural models into real-time interactive 3D environments, that can be shared with absolutely anyone.

Interactive 3D rendering technology with cloud features is cutting-edge technology, that will change architectural business.

I think that such software has great significance and deserves a page on wikipedia.

During next week we will be constantly improving this page, making it more neutral and more fact-oriented.

Please kindly remove the "speedy deletion" tag!

Thanks in advice.

Best Regards, Nikolay Matyukhin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matuhin86 (talk • contribs) 12:55, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late reply, I regret, but it fails WP:GNG, nevertheless it's safe now, but it needs improvement. And welcome to Wikipedia, please keep up your constructive contributions! Fai  zan  16:09, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

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King Ibn Saud's age at death is wrong
He was 77 when he died not 76. He was born on 15 January 1876 as stated in the article and died on 9 November 1953, nearly 11 months after his 77th birthday so you should correct his age. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.171.153.130 (talk) 08:37, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You had removed the age completely instead of correction, that's why you were reverted! Fai  zan  08:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Palestinian Territories
Thank you for your welcome message. Please excuse me if I am not following proper procedure. It seems my first edit, to the History section of the page, has proved controversial. Following Malik Shabazz's reversion of my edit, and your amendment to it, it now reads: The Arab countries declared war on the newly formed State of Israel heralding the start of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. They claimed their invasion to "restore law and order"[123]

I have two objections to this version. First, there is no document in existence declaring war on the State of Israel. The primary source is the one I cited, the Arab League cablegram to the UN. That this was, in effect, a declaration of war on Israel is an interpretation that could be argued, but this is not the right place to introduce such controversial interpretations. Second, the word 'claimed' is argumentative and not neutral. My suggested version is:

The Arab countries announced an intervention in Palestine to restore law and order[123], heralding the start of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

This is concise, factual and neutral, quoting the lead sentence of the primary source, without any further interpretation. It is all that is needed.

Walk Tall Hang Loose (talk) 14:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Where's that secondary source, Walk Tall Hang Loose? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:50, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello Walk Tall! Well, I welcome you again here. But I suggest you to do a little bit study before regular editing, and the Welcome message was meant for that actually. Being neutral is one of the pillars of Wikipedia, and you will have to abide by them. Don't treat this as an allegation but as per a primary Arab source, it is not possible to modify the statement. Your edis were not "controversial", rather I will term them as "immature", as you are a new editor. Don't worry, you will catch up, Just take your time. As far as the statement is concerned, I think that your suggestion is applicable with a few amendments, as a new separate line. And if references are not there for "Arab attack on Israel", then tag would be best!  Fai  zan  07:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Besides I have amended the statement, and have added the tag. Now better put it to bed! Cheers! Fai  zan  07:45, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

You haven't answered my objections to the original text, and have not clearly explained your objections to my version. Sorry to repeat myself, but:

'declare' means make a statement, to 'declare war' means to make a statement that a state of war exists between two countries. On May 15th 1948 the Arab League did not make a declaration that a state of war existed between themselves and the State of Israel. To say that they did is factually incorrect. To insert [citation needed] in the hope that such a declaration will mysteriously appear is futile.

A second objection to your latest version is this: it does not mention Palestine. A reader will likely conclude that all that was happening was an invasion of Israel by Arab forces. This is seriously misleading because the initial entry of the Arab forces was into Palestine, outside the declared borders of Israel, an area where Israeli forces were already operating, and the area where there was no law and order because there was no government.

My suggested version is:

The Arab countries announced 'an intervention in Palestine to restore law and order' [123], heralding the start of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

This is concise, factual and neutral, quoting the lead sentence of the primary source, without any interpretation. It points the reader to the article on the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. It is all that is needed.

What is your objection?

Walk Tall Hang Loose (talk) 17:50, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I am no one to object. If you find "reliable sources" in support of your suggested version, then no one can object. Better find good sources. It has nothing to do here at my talk. Please head on to the article's talk for more discussion, or find reliable source(s) for your modification. Did not you read Malik Shabazz's reply on this? Please go find a secondary source. Fai  zan  07:40, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

As promised...
... here are some diffs of content which I have deleted. Not much (by my reckoning). Cheers.OrangesRyellow (talk) 17:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Thanks! ~ I will try my best to provide references for them, keep an eye on other articles too. Half done already! Fai  zan  06:41, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ All done now, waiting for more! Fai  zan  08:41, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Its great to see some real improvements taking place!!! Will be posting more links later. I have some concerns about additions of unreliable sources on some other articles, but maybe it would be easier to sort out the issues on the articles themselves. I will delete those links giving the reason in the edit summary. Since you have reverted my edits on those articles, I suppose you have them on your watchlist. You need not try to find refs for everything that I delete. All info is not encyclopedic in the first place, and it may be impossible to find refs for lots of info, even if the info looks encyclopedic. If we cannot find proper, reliable refs for info, we can and should ignore to include it. If the info is unencyclopedic or impossible to reference properly, I think it is best to let it remain deleted.


 * I do delete unsourced/unreliably sourced stuff from non Pakistan articles too. I am concentrating on Pakistan related articles for now. Some months ago, there was a discussion at the village pump where several users had expressed serious concerns about the particularly poor state of most (but not all) Pakistan related articles (and I agree). So, until I am satisfied that the general Pakistan articles sphere is up to an acceptable standard of referencing, I am going to focus mainly on Pakistan related articles. Cheers.OrangesRyellow (talk) 09:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed, no problem at all. And remember that we should be not so harsh for the content which is at least encyclopedic. And Welcome again for your contributions on Pak-related articles! Fai  zan  11:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Although I am with you on most of what you say, and much appreciate your efforts, my view on the issue is that unverifiable info should have no place on WP, whether it looks encyclopedic or not is immaterial (as long as it is unverifiable). Here's one .OrangesRyellow (talk) 13:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

-OrangesRyellow (talk) 16:22, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

-OrangesRyellow (talk) 17:24, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

d'Toin le Kowalczyk no jast me of
Bronteh dere bunax justal bar buil vaseri val me in. .torinO&#39;Nihhrt (talk) 08:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * What? Is it Norwegian language? Welcome to Wikipedia! Fai  zan  08:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * .torinO&#39;Nihhrt was a sockpuppet and has been blocked! Fai  zan  15:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you Mr.Andrew! That tool is the best, and our contributions are only minor, which will continue. You deserve the real recognition for STiki. I will try my best in future too. Fai  zan  13:28, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposed move of Frere Hall
Hello Faizan. Regarding your request at WP:RM/TR. Per this reference, it seems that the *park* is known as Bagh-e-Jinnah but the building is still called (at least in this article) Frere Hall. It sounds as though Frere Hall Gardens was renamed but that the building may still keep its old name. Can you find any reference that states otherwise? If no reference can be found, you might consider withdrawing your proposal. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 15:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Johnston! I have withdrawn the request. Both the Building and the Gardens are notable, and they can have separate articles here. I will expand the article "Bagh-e-Jinnah, Karachi" with more references. Thanks for your help! Fai  zan  15:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
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User talk:Mifter
Hi Faizan .. I was just curiously seeing, who have recently crossed 1000 at Stiki leader-board. And I found that you have given Silver of Merit (10,000 contrb) to User talk:Mifter, but the table shows 1000+. Is it a mistake or I am missing something. -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 07:22, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing out. Regrets! Fai  zan  13:10, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Hamid Nasir Chattha
I've declined your proposed deletion here, based on the politician being a former speaker of the Punjab Assembly. No qualms if you'd like to take this to AfD, I haven't researched this enough to have a firm vote at AfD ... yet ... but I don't think you'll find the Speaker position will leave this an "uncontroversial" deletion in any case. Thanks. --j⚛e deckertalk 18:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Plushies
Plushies are most often used as play toys by children not by "furry's, or plushophiles". These cases of furry and pedophiles are rare cases and should not even be mentioned. It also leads people to believe that all plushies are animals which is also not true. It is also very vague to simply put "a stuffed toy". Stuffed with what? Most cases with polyester stuffing. Very disappointed to see my changes erased. I guess wikipedia is just a bunch of unreliable nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.51.196.0 (talk) 03:55, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * With replies at the talk. Fai  zan  07:36, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

BracketBot
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 * Fai zan  11:42, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Really?
You actually think I would not create soemthing of worth? Do not do that again. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:03, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Also your oppose here Terorist? WTF? Darkness Shines (talk) 17:09, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Replied at the talk. Fai  zan  17:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Babashnelp
Thank you for restoring the edit. I actually have an account, I need to find the password and username I forgot it because it's been long. Sorry for the harsh words earlier, I was very disgruntled that my edit was deleted. I don't do a lot of editing but when I do it is well thought out and researched (for example I looked up what the stuffing sold at most stores was called). Thanks again, and I'll go find my username and password, it's saved somewhere in my emails. Oh and I'll make sure to put a note/explanation next time I edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.51.196.0 (talk) 23:45, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

SUL
I am requesting a rename on All Wiki Projects. My current Commons name is "Faizan2". Fai zan  11:51, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ The username Faizan is now available for usurpation on fr:wikipedia. Best regards. Chaoborus (talk) 13:11, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Chaoborus! Fai  zan  13:13, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

WLM
Interested in helping here and here. Samar Talk 16:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Coming! But currently have an usurpation request at Commons. Will try my best. Thanks Samar! Fai  zan  13:24, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If possible can you take a look at the template? We will request a bot to post it on all talkpages of WP Pakistan members and Pakistani Wikipedians. Can you please look into that. Samar  Talk 17:40, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It would be a pleasure!  Fai  zan  14:49, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
-- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 02:37, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Another one. -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 22:25, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
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Talkback
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 * See again Samar  Talk 14:52, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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Mukti Bahini
Hi Faizan! Even though the article is not about the award, but its quite relevant to have a bit of mention about it there. -- Zayeem (talk) 13:55, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have no grudge on its mention there. But if all of the militants or Sepoys were given Bir Shresto, then a short mention should be made. Fai  zan  13:56, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

First Use of the term "101"?
Hi Faizan,

I stated the earliest use of the term 101 in the English language as used in America as I know it.

What do you know about this?

Best Wishes, Jay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.25.90.72 (talk) 05:52, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia Jay. Your edit did not seem to be intended for an encyclopedia. It was rather more personal commentary. That's why it was reverted. Don't make such comments in the article, you can cite your concerns on the talk page of the article. Now, if you have a reliable source in support of your argument, you can replace it in the article. Fai  zan  05:56, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks Faizan, But I did not save what you deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.25.90.72 (talk) 06:00, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome again Jay. Those edits were made from your IP address, but may be it is shared? Or it may a Static one. Fai  zan  06:02, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Whirlpool Corporation Controversy section
Multi-national companies face a number of lawsuits at any given time. Why does this particular case warrant mention on this information page? Especially considering this lawsuit has not even made it to trial and there is no guarantee of that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.105.164 (talk) 05:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The content is suitable for inclusion there, it's notable, and well-referenced. Fai  zan  06:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Eh.. Thanks Star! I will need another one soon after reaching 100,000 edits. Fai  zan  07:09, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries, and by the way you're going, that shall be some time soon! — Mel bourne Star  ☆ talk 07:21, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Only with your help and well-wishes. Thanks again! Fai  zan  07:23, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Stiki
Hi Faizan,

Thanks for the useful articles about Stiki.

Thanks, Mat  ty. 007 10:06, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome Matty! I hope you catch up a good position on the leaderboard! Fai  zan  10:16, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

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