User talk:Falcon Kirtaran/Archive03

Thanks
thanks for your comments on sail training...i'll definately try to tone it down a bit.

i just took a look at your user page and judging from your concern about npov i'm wondering if you could give a third party opinion on a page that i've flagged for npov. it's the director John Milius and i've been going through a bit of a edit revision war with another editor and would appreciate a neutral opinon to weigh in.

thanks - Seasee 28 June 2005 04:15 (UTC)


 * No problem. Thank you for your responsiveness... almost everyone else I've dealt with here would have ripped my face off.  Anyway, I'll be sure to have a look.  Good luck!  Falcon June 28, 2005 05:18 (UTC)


 * heh. i seem to recall on of the first things i learned on wikipedia is "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it." it says so down there in bold every time you edit something. btw, did you happen to look at the nice vandalism some editor did to that page after i tagged it npov? - Seasee 28 June 2005 06:19 (UTC)


 * the new edit looks good to me...if you don't mind, i'm editing our conversation from the past week. let me know if you have a problem with it and we can revert it. Seasee 30 June 2005 21:46 (UTC)

Project Punctuation
Apologies for not replying to your message earlier... Yes I was working through it, but got distracted by my internet connection packing up! Now that's fixed, I'm glad to come back and see that the punctuation dumps have all been done. Excellent work and sorry for leaving my flag on one of them. Clym 14:46, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes
it would be gordon lamb in Grade ten at Bishop Carrol. Whooops with the typo! I was bored at schol one day! sorry have not logged on in a while!

You editted Dark Throne, do you play?
If so, could you let me know on either my talk page, by adding yourself to the Category:Wikipedians who play Dark Throne category, or both? Thanks!

Lady Aleena 12:03, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Did I? No, I do not...  Falcon 17:53, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
On your user page you justify looking at a user's edit history, if the user has made a bad edit to one page, to see if other edits are equally bad. I do that too, quite a lot. Is that a questionable practice? Who is against it? I thought it was just being helpful. --Grace 02:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I was yelled at for it last summer, actually, while I was going through a long list of articles about sobe drinks comprising lists of ingredients. I think I was accused of it again with regards to some new spiritual movements, in relation to Vampire lifestyle.  I dunno... the purpose of my userpage is to preempt silly things like that, partially.  Falcon 02:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Georg von Speyer
Howdy. The reason that I did not put a stub category on the Georg von Speyer article was because I felt that what was there was the appropriate level of detail for an encyclopedia entry for the man. In other words, I still feel that the article is appropriately short, and that it covers the necessary ground. Since you stubbed it, what would you like to see added? Bejnar 01:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't seem to remember that article... perhaps I did it in error. Falcon 01:47, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Upon reading the article again, it seems to me that it was lacking in what he actually did, rather than simply his holding positions. Falcon 01:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

K-1ine etc.
Falcon! Yo, I read your article in K-1ine forever ago, and it was some motivation for me to do a slightly related article on Carrier Access Codes in Edmonton. Slightly related, but not really, since we were talking about different things. Either way, hello. :) --Othtim 18:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm. Hail.  I really wish I could make more progress on the stuff I was working on, but unfortunately we wound up switching carriers and I no longer have access to the right kind of line for it.  On the other hand, free long distance the legal way is always quite nice... Falcon 22:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

TFV 4eva
The above user has been blocked for one week for vandalism, as per your comments on WP:AIV.  (aeropagitica)   (talk)   19:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

League of Copyeditors roll call
Melon ‑ Bot  ( STOP! )  18:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Can you help?
I see you were listed as a participant in the League of Copy-Editors so it seems likely you can ... The thing is the Military history wikiproject urgently needs prose pros to help with our best articles. Milhist covers a broad range of interesting and varied subjects from film to biography, battles to weaponry, and Roman emperors to twentieth-century dictators. In Milhist, A-Class has become the last port of call before FAC and we are looking for people to help identify prose and MoS issues at A-Class A-Class Reviews and help fix them prior to featured article candidacy. We also have a copy-editing section in our Logistics Dept and that can always use experienced copy-editors. For most of our articles, you don't need to be a specialist in the subject matter, just good with words.

If you think you can help, please do! Thanks for your time, -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 04:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Copy editing progress
Hey thanks for updating the template. I've been trying to make it automated, but I have not been able to find a bot that can do summations of articles across different categories (erwin85bot can only count the articles in a single category). Do you happen to know of any? :) - Samuel  Tan  04:24, 3 August 2008 (UTC) --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 04:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I suspect that given enough time and some decent C libraries, or perhaps read access to the database and some decent database libraries, I could write one. In fact, it would be a smaller project to write it than it would be to write the code which would submit it.  I would be open to working on this as a collaborative project, too.  Also, erwin85bot could probably be adapted.  Here is the method I used to update the page, added to for computing purposes:
 * Detect changes to the subcategories in Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit
 * Screen for categories with no articles and report them for deletion
 * Update the date in the title bar
 * Update the BarData section
 * Remove unneeded entries from PlotData
 * Add new entries to PlotData with placeholder values
 * Start the first month bar in PlotData at from:0
 * Set its end at till:
 * Begin a loop:
 * Set the start of each subsequent bar at one more than the previous bar's till: value (to prevent overlap; this is not a one-off error)
 * Set the end of each subsequent bar at the previous bar's till: value plus 
 * End the loop
 * Update the number of articles in each month's label
 * Update the total bar's label and till: value
 * Update the Period= till: value to 1500 more than the total, rounded to the nearest multiple of 500 but never less than (1200 more than the total)
 * Yup I roughly know how the template works (I used to update it once in a while), but from the way it's been created, it looks like it can't be automated unless we can get a bot to count multiple categories. Erwin85 once mentioned (quite a while ago) that he may be able to adapt his bot to do that. So maybe we can persuade him to *grin* - Samuel  Tan  05:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Did he release his code? If so, we could just call the category-counting multiple times.  Failing this, it would be entirely trivial to write a C program that scanned for the line that tells you how many pages are in each category from the HTML.  Also, as a note, my reason for documenting the method is similar to the reason pseudocode is written ^^  --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 05:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: I intend to create an account on the toolserver and write code to generate the table, so that a bot can run my query and update the table. --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 06:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * grin* Did you just say it's trivial to write a program? Man, I have trouble even with HTML. Anyway if you could make the table auto-generate it would be a great help! And we might even have the very first cleanup category with an automated progress chart! Heh. - Samuel  Tan  12:05, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

IAR AFD Closure
I just thought it made sense to tag it for speedy even if it didn't fit any other speedy criteria. The article used to have more text in it so initially it didn't meet A3. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 11:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Maxwell Baumann
No idea on that one. It's not really a speedy, and there might be a chance of someone cleaning it up. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 12:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Copyedit progress
This is just a note to let you know I responded to your question on my talk page. -kotra (talk) 18:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

XX Teens related AfD
I marked Speedy deletion because based on the information given at the time of AfD, it does not establish notability and thus, A7. That said, however, romo current revision of XX Teens, I would have keep two of them. SYSS Mouse (talk) 00:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Re. Silesian Offensives AfD
I think you sent this message to the wrong person. I didn't nominate the article for AfD, I merely commented on the confusion the nomination had caused me. Leonard(Bloom) 05:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops. You're right.  --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 05:40, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Foolish? Maybe, but I'm sure I can compete. I misread the one word nom as "WP:CWORK", and I searched for corresponding policies (and didn't find any >.< ). Heh. Leonard(Bloom) 05:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * We all do it. The good thing is it can be easily undone.  ^^ --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 05:44, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

dual/dueling AfDs
That was a weird one all right. I have closed the second one and nominated it for a speedy delete, your remarks are welcome at Articles for deletion/Terren Peizer Beeblbrox (talk) 17:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * One step ahead of you. I'm opening a sockpuppet report too.  --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 17:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Appreciate your efforts
I just wanted to say that I appreciate the way you explained things so well on the Deletion discussion of the Giant Space Shark article. Some of the other replies were quick and confusing, and the hoax accusations certainly didn't seem to be answering any questions. So I just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to make things more clear and spell it out better so it was easy to understand. =)--Duder99 (talk) 06:15, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Cheers for help
Thanx. — Realist  2  02:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem at all. I hope nobody minds me being bold and closing the discussion on AfD as well.  --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 02:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I was going to suggest it on the AfD but we edit conflicted as you closed it. :-) — Realist  2  02:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Fcode
Experienced non admins can (and are encouraged to) close uncontroversial AfDs. I'd say this one was maybe one more delete comment away from being clearly uncontroversial. Cheers.-- Kubigula (talk) 05:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It occurs to me that I should also mention that you generally shouldn't close AfDs if you have already commented in them.-- Kubigula (talk) 05:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm - I wasn't really focusing on the point that this was a AfD resulting in deletion - guess it's time for me to go to bed. WP:DPR does state that non-admins shouldn't close delete AfDs, though I have seen it done with the closer getting the actual deletion done by nudging a handy online admin. Sorry for steering you wrong.-- Kubigula (talk) 05:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Your closure of Articles for deletion/Pirani Ameena Begum (2nd nomination)
Dear Falcon Kirtaran, you performed a non-admin closure of the above mentioned AfD, despite the fact that I had requested that it be re-listed to generate more debate. As it was. the debate consists of the assertion by two editors (Jerry and D. Trebbien) whose argument boils down to "article is very encyclopedic" and detailed arguments from two other editors (Malcolm Schosha and myself) on why this person is not notable. If AfD would be a simple vote, this is indeed a clear "no consensus". However, it is my understanding that AfD is not a vote. I would therefore greatly appreciate if you could give me your opinion on the arguments presented in this AfD debate as well as your reason for closing it despite the paucity of participants in the discussion. Thanks and sorry for imposing on your doubtlessly sparse time! --Crusio (talk) 10:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I closed it as no consensus because it looked to me as though the discussion had reached an impasse; your understanding that this is not a vote is absolutely correct. However, as you evidently feel that this is not the case, I would be delighted to relist it.  However, bear in mind that AfD has been extremely busy lately, and I think that as a consequence most debates are not getting the attention the process requires.  --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 23:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, that's most considerate! --Crusio (talk) 08:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

On relisting
Hey. When you relist debate, make sure you remove or strike it out from the previous day. The scripts that show the oldest debates still show it in the old day otherwise, and what ends up happening is they're closed 3 hours later anyway. So if you're moving something from the 5th to the 12th, remove it from the 5th. Thanks, Wizardman  01:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been deleting them from the list at WP:OAFD; I didn't know another page still existed for them. Thanks.  --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 03:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Louis Cheskin...
Have copyedited this article as much as I can: it contains too much unverified information and practically NO biographical information. Suggest it be split into two or more articles: one (a stub) about Cheskin himself, and a second about his marketing innovations and methods. (Copied from Louis Cheskin talk page.) Cheers, Shir-El   too  22:27, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I cannot access the NY Times obit; the only other biographical information I have dug up are (1) he worked for the WPA at one time, (2) he donated two statues to the Smithsonian in 1977 done by a famous WPA artist, and (3) (relevance unconfirmed) there was another WPA artist named David B. Chaskin. I've contacted his company twice for bios and got no reply. For someone so supposedly influential, he's almost a ghost.
 * I'll reply to this in the article's talkpage. Thanks for the note.  --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 09:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

As to titles, how about "Sensation transference" for the main article, related to marketing? Good Luck, Shir-El   too  13:55, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Rice Burner
Sorry, I shall discuss this on this talk page. Transcendence (talk) 16:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 05:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)