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DYK nomination of Monument to Women Memorial Garden
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Review my DYK nomination
Any chance you could review my DYK nomination: Template:Did you know nominations/Paul Dibb? &mdash; አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 10:40, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

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Bold markup consensus
How does it neeed consensus? It doesn't change the look. Under WP:BADHEAD it states it's not good to use as a "header". And also it is not good for screenreader users. --Jennica ✿ / talk 20:32, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why a semicolon is used, but I think it's best to have consistency in these pages to avoid confusing new users. Changing a couple page's formatting won't stop new pages from having the old formatting. Getting a talk page consensus will help resolve potential edit wars. FallingGravity 21:32, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Where would I get consensus? At the "Current events" talk page? --Jennica ✿ / talk 21:34, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, probably on the Portal talk:Current events page. Combing through the archives, I see it's been discussed before, but there was no real discussion or proposal. You might even want to start a WP:RfC to get more opinions. FallingGravity 22:30, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

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DYK for Charles Ellis Johnson
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DYK nomination of Monument to Women Memorial Garden
Hello! Your submission of Monument to Women Memorial Garden at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! ~ Rob 13 Talk 11:58, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Milo Yiannopoulos
Re your recent reversion... First it violates 1RR which proscribes re-adding any material that is challenged by reversion w/o talk page consensus. Secondly while some sources may be using that descriptor, the vast majority are not. I am not going to join this rather early edit war but I would gently encourage you to self-revert and take this to the article talk page. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:02, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Is Disrupt J20 "anti-fascist"?
I added this category because it says on its website: "We support the right of all attendees to feel safe and empowered while expressing their opposition to the Trump regime and the fascism it represents." Thus, I thought Category:Anti-fascism in the United States would be appropriate. The article also says they're allied with the DC Antifascist Coalition. FallingGravity 06:49, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying, . I have no horse in the race. If the category exists as a place for all organizations that are self-described using this moniker, then it seems fine. The only issue that others might raise is a BLP/NPOV issue, that as the J20 group existed, at least to start, with the singular purpose of resisting one individual, it is hard escape the contention that labeling itself anti-f is to equate the person/target they are resisting with the f label—so that our unfiltered reporting of their self-ascription then becomes WP's joining in their equating target with label. But if this is how it is done—if we simply categorize groups based on their self-ascriptions—then I can see how there might be emotional objections, but not prevailing, policy-based objections. As for the substance of the matter, there has been editorializing in decent places like the Times and Washpo that argue for the careful use of the term f—that if everyone with whom we disagree is a f, then the word loses its meaning. I am sympathetic to this argument, having had family flee from actual national socialist and fascist (as well as communist) regimes in the past. And, for that matter, I have had family fight on the sides of causes that while they might not be f, they were certainly authoritarian. All this is too say that words have meanings, and it is important to promote their deeper understanding and proper use. With regard, Le Prof 73.210.155.96 (talk) 21:48, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Would also encourage you, with your thoughtfulness, to consider contributing to the substance of the article. In particular, as I noted in an expand section tag, the article is particularly weak on (i) what they actually did/accomplished on the 20th, and (ii) what they have done since, and intend as their future course. I will look in, especially to add news from major venues regarding the outcome of any trials or investigations, but my time, and expertise/interest on this is limited. Just trying to add what I can, to the things I read. Cheers. Le Prof 73.210.155.96 (talk) 21:52, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * And 1,7-octadiene? mdr, you do indeed have broad interests as well. Will probably have a look there. Cheers. Le Prof 73.210.155.96 (talk) 21:56, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Based on what I'm reading above, I don't think the category can remain. We need independent reliable sources using this descriptor. What we have at the moment is a self description that is describing President Trump as representing fascism. That's not enough for us. And we need to be very careful about potentially implying that Trump as a fascist in wiki-voice without RS sources. There may in fact be RS sources that are using that descriptor for this group, but until they are found I'm not comfortable with it. I suggest it be removed for now. I also want to be clear that there is no question here of bad faith editing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:07, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * As I said,  no understanding of the policies and guidelines that apply, and so no opinion. Please, you and FG sort this, and one of you make the edit, of need be. Meanwhile, category is invisible to the reader, so no negative impact. Thanks. Le Prof 73.210.155.96 (talk) 22:36, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * This is not a super huge issue. I was asked for my opinion and I have given it. If FG disagrees and someone wants to make an issue of it we can open a discussion on the talk page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:38, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

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DYK for Monument to Women Memorial Garden
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DYK for Lavender (BadBadNotGood song)
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Princess Bride
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 * Lol, thanks. FallingGravity 07:20, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of 2017 Berkeley protests for deletion
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WP:LEAD at Murder of Seth Rich
Thank you for your contributions at Murder of Seth Rich.

But please read WP:LEAD.

Please note this is inappropriate.

Stuff in lede MUST be in body text first.

Please read the edit-notice at Murder of Seth Rich.

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Wat
seems like you didn't read the page well enough? Lil Johnny (talk) (contribs) 00:31, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Talk:MormonLeaks/GA1
I've copyedited and updated the article, the logo was changed, and all issues addressed. Do you think maybe possibly you could have another look at Talk:MormonLeaks/GA1, since that was the only issue? Sagecandor (talk) 00:10, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * My reply is in Talk:MormonLeaks. FallingGravity 01:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
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DYK for Dream Mine
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Killing of Nabra Hassanen
Hi FallingGravity - thanks for your great edit on Killing of Nabra Hassanen. I see you marked it as minor, if that was intentional you might want to have a look at WP:MINOR. Cheers AntiVan (talk) 23:22, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Apparently the script I sometimes use marks some of my edits as minor. I'll watch out next time. FallingGravity 22:44, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

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Your opinion/s would be welcome here
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 * If you seriously think an opinion article in the New York Post is a reliable source for a WP:BLP, then I have some news for you. FallingGravity 20:23, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

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Jewish studies scholars
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Weinstein effect
Dear FallingGravity: Re: Weinstein effect: Contary to a popular misconception in Wikipedia, I would argue that material sourced with a primary source does not always need a secondary source. The rule in Wikipedia is that articles should be based mainly on secondary sources. However, the use of primary sourcing is allowed for specific points in an article -- regardless of the presence or lack of a secondary source.

The preference for secondary source is due to the need to avoid prohibited original research (for example, taking statement A from Primary Source A and Statement B from Primary Source B and writing Conclusion C -- a conclusion not found in Sources A and B).

I would argue that the mere use of a primary source is not normally objectionable. Famspear (talk) 21:30, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

PS: Here is the actual rule (bolding added):


 * Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources. Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and to avoid novel interpretations of primary sources. All analyses and interpretive or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary or tertiary source, and must not be an original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors.

The mere use of a primary source, in and of itself, is not an "analysis" or "interpretive or synthetic claim" about the primary source. The use of a primary source that does not constitute an "analysis" or "interpretive or synthetic claim" does not need to be "referenced to a secondary or tertiary source." Famspear (talk) 21:36, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I realize primary sources are acceptable in some cases. However, the text of the bill doesn't mention the Weinstein effect or #MeToo, so adding this to one of these articles seems like original research. However, it isn't that hard to find secondary sources that make this connection: FallingGravity 00:36, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

New Years new page backlog drive
Hello, thank you for your efforts reviewing new pages!

Announcing the NPP New Year Backlog Drive!

We have done amazing work so far in December to reduce the New Pages Feed backlog by over 3000 articles! Now is the time to capitalise on our momentum and help eliminate the backlog!

The backlog drive will begin on January 1st and run until January 29th. Prize tiers and other info can be found HERE.

Awards will be given in tiers in two categories:


 * The total number of reviews completed for the month.
 * The minimum weekly total maintained for all four weeks of the backlog drive.

NOTE: It is extremely important that we focus on quality reviewing. Despite our goal of reducing the backlog as much as possible, please do not rush while reviewing.

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