User talk:Fallyisback

October 2019
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My edits have no intention on being disruptive. I’ d first like to explain the edit I made on “Native Americans in the United States.” I replaced the phrase “Native American and Alaska Native” with “ “Native American and Alaska Native” because according to the U.S census, ”Alaska Natives” and “American Indians” are both Native Americans. The said phrase “Native American and Alaska Native” was also in reference to the U.S census of 2010, which racial identity category states “ American Indian or Alaska Native.” Furthermore, my other edits also deal with the same issue. Native American refers to both American Indians and Alaska Natives. My edits changing “Native American” to “American Indian” and sometimes “Indian” (depending on context) are because the article is only referring or discussing American Indians and not “Alaska Natives” Now I understand that American Indian and “ Native American” is sometimes used interchangeably, but in the United States it is factually incorrect. I hope I was able to clear up a few things. I will also be more descriptive when explaining my edits, as I understand they can be a bit lacking. Anyway, Thank You for the feedback and am hoping that you understand my motive: which isn’t to harm/disrupt anyone or anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fallyisback (talk • contribs) 02:37, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

November 2019
Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to Native Americans in the United States, did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. ''Please discontinue changing Native American to American Indian or Indian. '' Indigenous girl (talk) 01:34, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

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Fallyisback, please see this archived discussion at the Indigenous Wikiproject. Do not change names without consensus unless there is a Very Good Reason to do so. We align naming with the sources, and with the names used by Tribes, Nations and Bands themselves. Preferred terminology varies. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 01:44, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello. Some of your recent genre changes, such as the one you made to Kiowa, have conflicted with our neutral point of view and/or verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you seek consensus for certain edits by discussing the matter on the article's talk page. Please discontinue changing Native American to American Indian or Indian Indigenous girl (talk) 01:45, 20 November 2019 (UTC) I used the wrong template, apologies! Indigenous girl (talk) 01:51, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Race and ethnicity in the United States. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted. Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 01:46, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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My edits have no intention on being disruptive. I’ d first like to explain the edit I made on “Native Americans in the United States.” I replaced the phrase “Native American and Alaska Native” with “ “Native American and Alaska Native” because according to the U.S census, ”Alaska Natives” and “American Indians” are both Native Americans. The said phrase “Native American and Alaska Native” was also in reference to the U.S census of 2010, which racial identity category states “ American Indian or Alaska Native.” Furthermore, my other edits also deal with the same issue. Native American refers to both American Indians and Alaska Natives. My edits changing “Native American” to “American Indian” and sometimes “Indian” (depending on context) are because the article is only referring or discussing American Indians and not “Alaska Natives” Now I understand that American Indian and “ Native American” is sometimes used interchangeably, but in the United States it is factually incorrect. I hope I was able to clear up a few things. I will also be more descriptive when explaining my edits, as I understand they can be a bit lacking. Anyway, Thank You for the feedback and am hoping that you understand my motive: which isn’t to harm/disrupt anyone or anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fallyisback (talk • contribs) 02:16, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. ''I see now this has been a recurring pattern for you, that you were warned about in October, and you never responded, but returned to the same behaviour without engaging or explaining. '' - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 02:34, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Follyisback. Thank you for your explanation. Perhaps this can be helpful regarding terminology https://web.archive.org/web/20181116050310/https://www.naja.com/reporter-s-indigenous-terminology-guide/ The term Native American does not include all indigenous peoples of Alaska. Indigenous girl (talk) 02:36, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Read the links and policies. Whether or not you intended to disrupt, it was disruptive, and you had been told this already. If you continue to change these things against consensus you will be blocked. The US Census does not override the sources in the articles or the names the groups use for themselves. Your explanation does not justify the changes you were making. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 02:42, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

It does, these links have to do with opinion. A prime example is the source “Indigenous Girl” provided .It largely deals with ones belief on the matter. My explanation is based of facts and reliable, Unbiased, government sources. I have a sneaking suspicion however that your argument has to do with your personal opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fallyisback (talk • contribs) 02:52, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Journalistic guidelines aren't opinions they are suggestion. I see no valid reason to have changed Native American to Indian on the Kiowa page, the Kiowa certainly fall under Native American using the census as a guide. My argument has nothing to do with personal opinion. Even the government is inconsistent, an example is the American Indian Religious Freedom Act. It applies to all indigenous peoples of the United States. Indigenous girl (talk) 03:35, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

It was the largest group affected by the change. Since about 1960 it has been American Indian on the census. I’m really not asking for much. I made a little edit that made an article clearer and more concise. I’m not harming anyone, causing any damage, I’m simply editing an article to make it more factual and realistic. I don’t why I can’t edit in peace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fallyisback (talk • contribs) 21:44, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I understand wanting to be able to edit in peace. I think that's what most editors would like. You are stating it was one little edit to a single article but that is not true, it was at least a dozen articles that you made changes in to longstanding terminology that was arrived at by consensus. Indigenous girl (talk) 21:59, 20 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Four editors have told you your unsourced, WP:OR, changes, against consensus, are disruptive, Fallyisback. You refused to even respond until it was taken to ANI. You've had a final warning, yet reverted the cleanup to redo this edit. By consensus in the discussions at MOS and the wikiproject, we stick with the sources and, when in doubt, go with contemporary terminology preferred by the Nations themselves. The only source cited for the part you changed says "Native Americans", and "Indians"; It includes no usage of "American Indians". I'm not seeing any signs of your wanting to follow policy or consensus here. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 23:45, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Once Again, the piñon nuts are only available in the United States to the Indigenous American Indians. Native American as defined by the US census as American Indians and Alaska Natives. The nut isn’t inclusive/ wasn’t available to Alaska Natives. What policy am I supposed to follow? The one you’ve dictated to me ? My edits are constructive and with good reason. It seems that you two, a minority of people even care. I’ve also noticed from your pages that you’ve been in contact in the past, suggesting your issue can be attributed to shared beliefs. Please just leave me alone as my edits don’t violate any code of conduct. If you wish to revert the edits I make, do it at your will; it would be a waste of time, but what ever keeps your boat afloat.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/2010_census/cb11-cn125.html Is my source. If you’re using the U.S census as a form of citation, it’s best to do properly. The Census provides Race demographics in the Unites States, which “Native Americans In the United States” is the country in reference — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fallyisback (talk • contribs) 00:07, 21 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Read the links that have been provided if you want to retain editing privileges. A 2011 census page has absolutely nothing to do with these articles. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 00:35, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Native American name controversy. Doug Weller talk 06:06, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Also, be aware that edits count per user, not per account, and that editing logged-out, if intended to avoid consequences, is considered a form of sockpuppetry. See WP:LOUTSOCK. Just so you know. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:35, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

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