User talk:FamilyTrik

Trik bio
Hello, thank you for your recent edits to the Victor Trikojus article. It seems like you're a relation of Trikojus, and if so, I'm wondering if you have any photos you can upload to Wikimedia Commons and use in the article? Sgroey (talk) 01:33, 29 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, we are immediate descendants of Victor and Lisuscha.
 * You seem to be the major contributor to the page – what is your connection to Trik?Thank you also for your ongoing additions and corrections.
 * I'm consulting other members of the family about a photograph. FamilyTrik (talk) 02:42, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Amazing! Any photos would be incredible. There's nothing out there in the public domain. There are some photos on the Melb Uni website but they aren't in the public domain so I can't use them on wikipedia. Uploading to Wikimedia Commons and then inserting the images into the article is very simple, so I hope you're able to do it at some point in future.
 * I don't have any connection to Trik, but I studied biochemistry at Melb Uni and I remember having many lectures in the Trikojus Theatre before the old building got demolished. I also somehow ended up with Trik's copy of the 1940 Merck index around this time, it was probably left outside the building before its demolition, along with lots of other old stuff destined for landfill. I rediscovered it recently which led me to his 1 line entry in Wikipedia - not nearly enough for such an important figure! It has been very enjoyable writing the article, so thank you for your kind words. I still plan to add an infobox and subheadings in future. Sgroey (talk) 00:21, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wonderful, thanks so much for all this background.
 * I'm not sure why we were unaware of the Wikipedia entry, or even the need for one – a bit slack on our part, I suppose, but there was a lot of biographical information available on other websites that covered a lot of his life and works.
 * The family volunteered all of Trik's papers – personal and university – to MU Archives in 1985, and it was almost immediately misused in a Quantum episode on ABV TV. Then you would be aware of the disgraceful 'exposé' articles in The Age and SMH in August 1999. MU Archives gave open access to two journalists posing as researchers; they also gave a series of photographs to SBS designed to prove a false narrative, including a particularly grim image that wasn't even Trik. (We have a complete archive of the Age/SMH articles, and a copy of the SBS News report that was broadcast on 16Aug99.)
 * During discussions with MU Archives about a parcel of papers covering the war years that was recently discovered, it seemed that at least some staff still don't realise the damage that resulted from those breaches.
 * Thereafter they were required to pass on to the family all access requests for approval. From the above you may understand why the family is very concerned about anything written about Trik, and since the MU Archive will soon move to the public domain we have had to become vigilant again.
 * We apologise for the heavy editing in some sections of the article – in particular around the event of January 1941 and subsequent disruption to his life, which has always triggered a raw nerve in the family.
 * We think we have copyright on all photographs in the archive – when we agree on one I will confirm that it is suitable for uploading to Wikimedia Commons.
 * Again, many thanks for your interest and considerable work. I will be in touch again.
 * ... for the family. FamilyTrik (talk) 03:07, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi
 * I'm sure we have sufficient ownership for this file:
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Victor_Trikojus.jpg
 * Please let me know if there were any errors in the posting process. FamilyTrik (talk) 10:28, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Something went wrong and the file will apparently be deleted in a week.
 * I've tried, but life's too short for me to learn the intricacies of Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons! FamilyTrik (talk) 05:07, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Biography
Hello again FamilyTrik! Sorry for my absence. Thank you for trying to upload a picture of him to commons.

It looks like the image was deleted due to not having a licence. Of course you have the "licence" to share the image, but licensing on wikimedia commons is just about choosing a license, and it doesn't matter which one you choose. You have to choose a license on the page you see after the upload completes. If you try again, look out for this. Aside from that the interface is clunky and ugly but it isn't too bad once you get the hang of it.

Thanks also for your added comments on the article. Please be aware that wikipedia is not intended for independent research, so all info *should* have a citation.

Speaking of citing work, I just laid my hands on a copy of his biography by Humphreys. I'll be reading it over the next little while and I'll use it as a source to fill in more info. There's still lots to write about!

I was sad to read about the misrepresentation of Trik's papers to making him out like a nazi sympathiser. I couldn't find a trace of those TV programs online, though, and just a few mentions of the whole affair on the web.

Please do try to upload the picture again :) Sgroey (talk) 05:21, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your patience – I will have another go at uploading the photo.
 * Meanwhile, I wonder if I'm allowed to post a link (for you only) to an external page, such as:
 * https://mega.nz/file/bqpU2AAa#N4eopKHqUwF1YBsFd-dmwaTeIpgDTbuoDMmgxx2ot9Q FamilyTrik (talk) 02:10, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * SMH & Age articles FYI
 * https://mega.nz/file/j7R1jT4A#e5kPA4C-WWswoPoh-9L5SsrVnYxDA1-vbU-gAYqce-A FamilyTrik (talk) 02:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, they worked very well, thank you!
 * Utterly ridiculous reporting. I see what you mean now (even about the sour-faced man who has been wrongly identified as Trik!)
 * What did you mean when you said "the MU Archive will soon move to the public domain"?
 * Sorry for my late reply, as I don't check this page very often. Sgroey (talk) 12:15, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I have made another attempt to upload a photo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Victor_Trikojus.jpg If it gets rejected I will ask a more knowledgeable friend to do it properly!
 * Access to the Trikojus archive at Melbourne University Archives was subject to their rules and also, from 2010, consultation with the Trikojus family. MU Archives will be moving to Victorian Public Records and will lose many of its former protections. FamilyTrik (talk) 23:26, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, thanks for the photo! I will add it to the article. Thanks also for your explanation. There is nothing about that on the unimelb archives page. Sgroey (talk) 00:08, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The future change to the status of the archives was mentioned in passing while referring to the family's partial right of access refusal. I have asked for updates without a response to date.
 * I assume it would only involve an administrative change, and the physical archive would still be at Melb Uni.
 * Cheers. FamilyTrik (talk) 04:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have now reviewed the latest changes – the quick facts box looks great. Again, thanks very much for all your work – it is much appreciated by the family.
 * I did make a couple of changes: one was merely a typo, but there is a problem with the comment about the donation of Trik's papers as it perpetuates a myth that they were 'found by MU Archives in a garden shed'. You will note from a telex sent by the family to ABC Television on 8/10/1986 that the donation of the papers to Melbourne University could, at that stage, have been aborted – the majority of his papers were in extensive bookshelves, two large filing cabinets and his desk in the study at his Kew home.
 * https://mega.nz/file/iqokgZqK#fZ4XZJdo-eW4v29cSbeg5trdRAe98tJeX6_CNwzT9tE
 * The program was edited to remove that comment before being re-broadcast the following week. FamilyTrik (talk) 22:27, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi FT,
 * I'm glad the family are pleased! I've started reading the Ross biography of Trik, a very interesting little book as I'm sure you'd agree. I plan to make further updates to the article using the biography as a source. I've also started adding to the wiki pages of Trik's colleagues and students, and I've even written brand new artlcles on Frank Hird and Bruce Stone. I've got some of Bruce Stone's old books (his office at La Trobe was cleared out while I was a graduate student there and everyone in the building was invited to take whatever books they could find) so I was even able to add his signature to his infobox! I'll do more once my studies are over, very soon. If you have any sources on them or any of Trik's colleagues, I'd love to know.
 * Yes I saw your edit, thank you for sharing that telex. You've certainly kept your receipts haven't you! Pretty galling how unimelb has kept the garden shed nonsense on the webpage!
 * I also saw that your 2nd attempt at uploading a photo has also been deleted. I think I know why. If you try uploading it again, select "I took this picture" (or words to that effect) on the first screen that appears after upload. (I know that's a little white lie but that will allow wikimedia to apply the correct licence). Try that, if you can be bothered.
 * Best wishes,
 * Sgroey (talk) 03:27, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry for long delay. I hope this third attempt works:
 * File:Victor_Trikojus.jpg
 * OR:
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Victor_Trikojus.jpg FamilyTrik (talk) 13:01, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think I've given up unless I can find an expert. Really annoyed that they can block the use of a family photo just because the photographer and date cannot be specified - who can after 50+ years? What nonsense. FamilyTrik (talk) 12:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)