User talk:Famousfieldy

July 2008
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Hi.....This page needs to be developed to explain that there is a difference between the trip hop band Portishead and the brass band Portishead Town Band. I'm working hard trying to understand all the rules, but I have not created this site to promote the band, just to explain the difference between the two entities. There are multiple references to the style of Brass Bands, the town called Portishead and its rehearsal location of GOrdano School - all of which are in wikipedia already. Your suggestions for improvmeents would be much appreciated. Thanks PaulFamousfieldy (talk) 00:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I would recommend you read WP:MUSIC. Once you have done that please explain how your band meets the clear criteria for inclusion set out there.  Sharing a name with another more famous band isn't one of them. --  role player 00:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I've added details to confirm the band's notability (in it's own right) per the WP:MUSIC page, including TV and radio performances and recognition by professional bodies.Famousfieldy (talk) 01:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Still failed to meet WP:MUSIC. (The other article you mentioned on my talk page has been deleted for the same reasons of non-notability.) -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  02:12, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Mike....which part? I appreciate you guys are busy, but Im shooting in the dark here. I see no difference with the Lanner and District Silver Band which is less detailed. Thanks. PaulFamousfieldy (talk)

A musician or ensemble is notable if it has had some sort of recognition by professional organizations, such as music charts.

The Band is recognised by having won it's way through to the highest level of competition that exists - the National Brass Band FInals of Great Britain, Britain being the home of the genre.... Notability is met if the musician has been the subject of a broadcast by a media network.

The band has been broadcast by none other than the BBC. This particular show appeared prime time in the UK

Hope that helps.Famousfieldy (talk) 02:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion on re-creating the page:
Start again, at the location User:Famousfieldy/Portishead town band

If you want a copy of the deleted article, ask an admin (e.g. the one who deleted it) to email you a copy, or else move it for you.

This is your user space, so it ought to be safe from admins who are too fond of speedy deletion, especially for new articles that are actively being worked on. Then get a good article written in this location. ask for advice as much as needed. Link from it as much as you like, but don't make the categories "live" yet and don't link to it, other than from your user page. Post notes about it on wikiproject:brass bands (if it exists), or else look for users or active traffic on similar band pages.

Read WP:NOTABLE and WP:VERIFY and act upon them, especially about adding external links.

When it's ready, move it from your user space into the main article space. Then the hungry admins will hopefully see it as a worthwhile article deserving of existence.

Then watch it get deleted all over again, because Wikipedia's "notability" rules for music are pathetic. Any crap on a major label is notable, anything related to live music, or at all niche, isn't. You can perform at Bayreuth or Glyndebourne and the WP:MUSIC rules still don't see this as "notable". Still, we can but try. Andy Dingley (talk) 03:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Andy - thanks for your help. I'm totally bemused by all this, especially seeing as I've read the WP:MUSIC in detail and have met what it says. I agree with you about the bias towards 'major labels'. I shall try again! Many thanks Famousfieldy (talk) 10:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I've created the new page User:Famousfieldy/Portishead Town Band (note the difference in capitalization) as Andy suggested. His advice, as usual, is sound, even if he and I disagree about some of the details of policy. I cleaned it up for you a bit, including a hatnote, proper section headers, etc. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  15:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)