User talk:FanofMusic/Archive 2

Couple things
Pages are not protected preemptively. Our protection policy might be worth a read. Second, what's up with the timestamp in your signature? Why is it always in the future? --Neil N  talk to me 21:16, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for linking that for me. I will definitely read up on it. The reason for my time stamp being in the future is that Wikipedia is ahead so many hours of certain time zones. Under my contributions page, my edits are always hours ahead, so I use the Wiki time. ilovechristianmusic   (Tell Me Something!) 6:51, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Whatever you're doing is messing up the timestamps in your posts, confusing our bots. If you want to see timestamps in your local time, set your time offset (Preferences, Appearance tab) and then turn on the "Change UTC-based times and dates, such as those used in signatures, to be relative to local time." gadget (Preferences, Gadget tab). --Neil N  talk to me 23:19, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip. I've got it all fixed now. I have a question for you regarding an editing problem. Would you rather me ask it here, or ask it on your talk page? ilovechristianmusic   (Tell Me Something!) 20:13, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually now you're behind by four hours :-) You can ask me a question at either place. If you do respond here, ping me by writing and I'll get a notification. --Neil N  talk to me 00:19, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Is there a certain "Wikipedia standard" for editing tracklisting headlines? I started out editing them in the Standard edition, etc. style, but another editor reverted it and told me it was not Wikipedia standard, and said that the  was the Wikipedia standard. I've looked for it on different "MOS" articles, and can't find anything relating to it. So is there a "set standard", or is it fine either way?  ilovechristianmusic   (Tell Me Something!) 20:26, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Erm. A MOS question. There's probably more than a hundred different MOS guides covering different topics but perhaps you're looking for WP:MOSALBUM? If not, I would ask the other editor to point you towards where the standard is documented. --Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 00:32, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thank you for all of your help! ilovechristianmusic  <sup style="font-family: Aaargh;color:teal"> (Tell Me Something!) 20:34, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

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Happy New Year Ilovechristianmusic!
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Happy New Year! Ilovechristianmusic, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. IPadPerson (talk) 21:43, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year 2016}} to user talk pages. Thank you very much! I hope you had a happy holiday this year and have a Happy New Year. ilovechristianmusic <sup style="font-family: STHeiti;color:teal">(Tell Me Something!)  23:48, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Upcoming Meghan articles
Would you like to help me expand Thank You (Meghan Trainor album) and No (Meghan Trainor song)?--MaranoFan (talk) 18:48, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I've been a little busy lately, but I'd definitely love to help! ilovechristianmusic  <sup style="font-family: STHeiti;color:teal">(Tell Me Something!)  17:05, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Could I interview you?
I've been thinking of writing a piece for The Signpost about Christian music on Wikipedia. Could I interview you at a future date and include that in the piece?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 15:07, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure! ilovechristianmusic  <sup style="font-family: STHeiti;color:teal">(Tell Me Something!)  16:16, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll keep you posted.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 18:03, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Re: Interview questions
Okay, I'm working on that Signpost piece. Below are the interview questions. I can respond with more detailed questions if there's an area you want me to get deeper into.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 04:10, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You can see a draft of the article portion, onto which I will append the interview, here. Please feel free to give me feedback on it.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 04:10, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

What prompted you to become a Wikipedia editor?

The amount of incorrect information on Wikipedia. One day I pulled up Wiki to look up some information on a song, and the information supplied was unreliable, so I thought I would create an account to help better music articles.

''What motivated you to become a member of WikiProject Christian music? What kind of Christian music-related articles do you like to work on?''

I saw the lack of detail and coverage under so many Christian music articles. I enjoy working on the WOW series, and popular artists at the moment such as TobyMac, Francesca Battistelli, UNITED, etc.

Do you contribute to any other subject areas on Wikipedia?

I primarily work on Pop music articles, along with Christian music articles, and I sometimes venture into editing the Just Dance series.

''What would you say are your favorite contributions as an editor? [Your answer doesn’t have to be limited to the Christian music project]''

Adding missing information to articles, like release dates, changing out templates, track listings, and researching for information to add to articles.

''Does your WikiProject collaborate with any other WikiProjects? What are some of the intersections of Christian music with other subject areas?''

Not to my knowledge. Christian music doesn't really affect any other music articles, unless it's a cross–over situation like with Carrie Underwood.

Has your project formed any special workgroups or task forces?

I haven't joined any at the moment, but I would like to someday.

What are WikiProject Christian music's most pressing needs?

Expansion, whether it's under an artist's article or a musical article. For an artist, there isn't much information available on them such as birthdates, birth places, or background. For musical articles, things like critical reception and background are especially lacking.

What would you say are some of the most pressing issues for Wikipedia as a whole?

More experienced editors helping and welcoming newcomers, rather than biting them, and showing them pages to build their editing skills instead of assuming that they are disrupting/vandalizing on purpose. This especially on Pop music articles.

How can a new contributor help the WikiProject today?

By trying and doing their best at editing at Wikipedia.

Any other final comments?


 * Thank you very much for your comments, I appreciate it.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 21:23, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Signpost article
You can read the final version of the interview piece here.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 04:36, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Me Too
If it is eligible for DYK, you may want to go for one.--MaranoFan (talk) 06:33, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I created the DYK for it. Not quite sure what the whole process is for it, but I'm currently reading up on it. Glad you're back! ilovemusic  <sup style="font-family: STHeiti;color:teal">(Talk To Me!)  22:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Me Too (Meghan Trainor song)
Hello! Your submission of Me Too (Meghan Trainor song) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 07:54, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Dangerous Woman Japan
Can you give some options on ? I think that this file should not be deleted. U990467 (talk) 14:38, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure. ilovemusic  <sup style="font-family: STHeiti;color:teal">(Talk To Me!)  18:02, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Peer review

 * Peer review/Ariana Grande discography/archive1
 * Peer review/Avril Lavigne discography/archive1

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! I don't think you will have to create a new one. I moved Atlantis (Bridgit Mendler Song) to Atlantis (Bridgit Mendler song) due to Wikipedia's capitalization rules, then re-directed the new "Atlantis" page to Bridgit's main page because there isn't enough information on the song for it to warrant an article just yet, per WP:Notability (music). ilovemusic  <sup style="font-family: STHeiti;color:teal">(Talk To Me!)  15:45, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello
Hi~ Can you review Ariana Grande discography? This list is a current featured list candidate. I think it meets the criteria and should be a featured list. If you are willing to review the list, you can click here. Thank you. U990467 (talk) 17:12, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Side to Side
Both "Side to Side" and "Side To Side" are completely blocked for ONE YEAR and can't be edited now. I must say that the requester is an idiot. What should I do? U990467 (talk) 17:13, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * First off, I wouldn't call the requester an idiot as that is classified as a personal attack, although a year does seem extreme. The article can be edited, but only by an admin. You could propose the protection to be reduced, list what edits you would like to be made to the article, or start a draft page and request it to be moved to "Side to Side" once you have enough information for it to warrant it's own article. FanofMusic  <sup style="font-family: STHeiti;color:teal">(Talk to Me!)  19:50, 29 August 2016 (UTC)


 * OK, I got it. --U990467 (talk) 06:04, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

The Chainsmokers singles
Hi FanofMusic,

Per your edit summaries on why you reverted multiple edits regarding why "Inside Out" and "All We Know" are not singles, you haven't given a source saying that the two songs are NOT singles. Here's a few reasons why those two songs are actually singles:


 * As I stated before in my edit summary, both songs have been released worldwide through digital download on iTunes and Google Play. A song does NOT have to be released to commercial radio in order for a song to be designated a "single". Being released to iTunes as a single, as seen in the titles of the respective iTunes pages, is enough.
 * All We Know (feat. Phoebe Ryan) - Single: https://itunes.apple.com/album/all-we-know-feat.-phoebe-ryan/id1157626056
 * Inside Out (feat. Charlee) - Single: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/inside-out-feat.-charlee-single/id1096854727


 * As I'm sure you know, articles on Wikipedia relies on reliable sources to determine the validity of something. For example, "All We Know" has been mentioned by many sources as a single:
 * Billboard: http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/dance/7526386/the-chainsmokers-all-we-know-phoebe-ryan
 * Entertainment Weekly: http://www.ew.com/article/2016/09/29/chainsmokers-new-song-all-we-know-phoebe-ryan
 * Idolator: http://www.idolator.com/7647084/chainsmokers-phoebe-ryan-all-we-know-full-song
 * Radio.com: http://radio.com/2016/09/29/the-chainsmokers-all-we-know-phoebe-ryan/
 * ABC News Radio: http://abcnewsradioonline.com/music-news/2016/9/29/chainsmokers-release-new-single-all-we-know.html
 * Music Times: http://www.musictimes.com/articles/73683/20160929/the-chainsmokers-phoebe-ryan-all-we-know-review-closer.htm
 * The Nocturnal Times: http://www.thenocturnaltimes.com/chainsmokers-all-we-know-feat-phoebe-ryan-disruptor-records/
 * We Got This Covered: http://wegotthiscovered.com/music/listen-chainsmokers-new-song-know/
 * ...among others.

—SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 17:43, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Per your understanding, any song that iTunes releases that has the tag - Single, is a single. Not all digital releases are a single. It is just a tag that iTunes adds to stand-alone releases. Ex. "Activated", "Better When I'm Dancin'", "Mercy", etc. have been released to iTunes and many other digital retailers, but are not commercial singles, only buzz/promotional singles. And no, a song being released worldwide and having a single tag does not make it a single. I never said "All We Know" isn't a single. There is actually a good chance that it will be released as a commercial single due to it's digital chart performance. Read Promotional singles. Look at the very first description of what makes a song a single: Serviced to US radio with an official radio add date. There has not been a radio release date for either "Inside Out" or "All We Know" yet, according to FMQB or AllAccess. A publication noting a song's existence does not make it a single. However, the Music Times and The Nocturnal Times refs do state the "follow-up to 'Closer'", but they use future tenses about an actual single release. The first four refs you have supplied do not explicitly state that there is an official impact date as a single, only that a digital single has been released. Only one out of the last five refs you supplied is even reliable. Yes, I am aware of reliable sources, but again, a mention of a digital single being released does not imply that it is a single. FanofMusic <sup style="font-family: STHeiti;color:teal">(Talk to Me!)  22:54, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I was not aware of WP:PROMOSINGLE, and I will now be taking that essay into consideration. Thanks for clarifying your reverts; it would be nice if you cite WP:SINGLE? in your edit/revert summaries in future cases when dealing with whether a song is a single. —SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 03:28, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm glad the misunderstanding has been cleared. I will start citing WP:SINGLE? from now on, so thank you for your suggestion! FanofMusic  <sup style="font-family: STHeiti;color:teal">(Talk to Me!)  12:52, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Except WP:SINGLE? and WP:PROMOSINGLE are not policies, they are essays and therefore not something everybody has to follow, and they are not binding. Please stop citing it as if it's policy. Not every single has a US radio impact date—some songs aren't even released to radio, like artists who aren't pop or have styles that are not radio-friendly, so then do we consider their single releases promotional? No, we don't. Kiiara's other songs are singles and just because you haven't heard them on a radio yet does not make them promotional or give you free reign to blank half a section. "All We Know" is clearly a single; there are multiple publications SomeoneNamedDerek cited calling it so, but you just shot each of those sources down like somebody who doesn't want to listen to reason. This is ridiculous. The main criteria for a single release is not an American radio add date. If your argument is that every publication just assumes a new song by an artist is a single, I think you need to look at more articles on music websites because quite often they're pretty careful to not call a random song uploaded a single, and "All We Know" is not that.  Ss 112  13:41, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm aware that they are not policies. Did you read the above conversation? No need to get rude. I'm also aware that artists who aren't pop have singles that aren't on the radio. "Feels" was released as a single to iTunes, which I had actually thought twice about removing, due to her being a somewhat underground artist. "Hang Up Tha Phone" was actually the main single I was intending to remove due to it not even having a digital release. No, "All We Know" hasn't been a confirmed single yet. Yes, two of the citations SND supplied did state the "follow up to 'Closer'", but used future tense when saying that. The other refs were a mere statement that the song was released. Again, no need for a personal attack. Every single song TCS releases is not a single. "All We Know" will probably be released as a single due to its great chart performance digitally — it just hasn't been released as an official single yet. Are you familiar with Identifying reliable sources? Five of the refs above are reliable, per the reliable sources noticeboard. Four of which note the release of the song. Again, if you felt I was attacking SND, I wasn't. I was just explaining to him my removal of content. FanofMusic  <sup style="font-family: STHeiti;color:teal">(Talk to Me!)  14:19, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Exactly where I was rude or did I level a personal attack at you? Please stop with the accusations. Saying "no, we don't" do that and saying you "shot [something] down" is not being rude and nowhere near being a personal attack. I didn't insult you or call you anything. I believe "All We Know" is a single, the sources state so, but I'm not going to edit war with you over it because you're WP:DIDNTHEARTHAT at this point. The sources clearly label it a single. The Billboard and ABC Radio headlines literally say "New Single" and you're just ignoring that because...what? No radio add date?  Ss 112  14:26, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, to respond to your question, yes, I did read your messages, but if you're aware they are policies, then using them as rationales in edit summaries to explain why you did something really doesn't have a point, as essays are not binding and things users should be expected to follow. It's essentially one person's perspective with a shortcut.  Ss 112  14:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

EX. "just because you haven't heard them on a radio yet does not make them promotional or give you free reign to blank half a section", "but you just shot each of those sources down like somebody who doesn't want to listen to reason" – calling me someone who "doesn't want to listen to reason", or implying that I go around thinking I have "free reign to blank half a section". I'm not accusing you of anything. Merely stating that if you want to confront me with something, please use a neutral manner. Yes, the Billboard headline states "New Single", but read the article. It is just a mention of the song. I'm just going to drop this whole thing as it doesn't seem to be going anywhere. If you want to label it a single, fine. Go ahead. I was merely pointing to SND that only two sources actually were about an actual single release, while the others were mentions of the song. And in response to the DIDNTHEARTHAT, there hasn't even been a consensus reached? I put the article in my edit description after SND said it would be helpful, so I thought others might not be aware of that. FanofMusic <sup style="font-family: STHeiti;color:teal">(Talk to Me!)  14:38, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * My apologies if that came off as a personal attack, but it wasn't intended that way and I feel the connotations of "free reign" and "shot down" are partly responsible. My linking to WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT was about the sentiment—not what the actual page says about consensus having been reached but a hypothetical user ignoring it. Also, I read the Billboard article, but I just don't see what more they could say about its status as a single in the body.  Ss 112  14:47, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your explanation and apology. Another part of reasoning for me about "AWK" being a TBD single is that "Inside Out" was released in-between "DLMD" and "Closer", and was being called a single on music blogs, but never had an impact date. Also, "Closer" is considered a follow-up to "DLMD" although "IO" was released before "Closer". Again, thank you for your explanation. FanofMusic  <sup style="font-family: STHeiti;color:teal">(Talk to Me!)  15:00, 4 October 2016 (UTC)