User talk:Fantastickkay

Newspapers cited for album release dates
I see you have been citing newspaper articles for album release dates.

The first problem with that is if the newspaper conflicts with another source, how do we reconcile the conflict? Blondie's Eat to the Beat is an example, and the Carpenters' Now & Then. Both of those have release dates listed at the AllMusic website, but your newspapers gave you other dates. We would usually search around for confirmation in more sources, to see whether one version is more prominent or more substantial.

The second problem is that you are putting most of the cites into your edit summaries. They should be placed within the article, which you did at the Lettermen. (Thanks for that.)

The third problem is that the newspaper sources are not easily read by other people who do not have a subscription to newspapers.com. There is a way for subscribers to make a clipping for non-subscribers to see. One such reference that I put into the Jacki Sorensen biography is the following:

....which appears this way in the reference section:

It would be a tremendous help if you could prepare such clippings and use them as references in the articles. Binksternet (talk) 21:48, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, apologies I'm new to this and not entirely sure how to respond to you another way.
 * Thank you for the feedback. Unfortunately, I plowed through the 7 day trial of newspapers.com to find this information and it's now expired.
 * Most of my edits are in the summary of the album, not really an article which is why I wasn't adding the linked citations but I can certainly do that.
 * I'll see what I can do about providing the actual clippings, likely I won't have time to do that immediately. Fantastickkay (talk) 12:09, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I kept my own newspapers.com subscription going for a year but I finally let it lapse a few months ago. Otherwise, I could chase down your references and create clippings.
 * A fourth problem with release dates is how and what the newspaper chooses to report. They might say an album hit retail on a certain date, but it could have hit airplay earlier. Or they could report a local release date without saying that it was released earlier elsewhere. Binksternet (talk) 13:37, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, there is frequent confusion between the first appearance on a chart and the music release date. Very often, a song or album is released earlier than the reported first chart entry. Binksternet (talk) 13:39, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, just for clarification, I looked up many albums that were missing release dates and only submitted changes for albums I found in newspapers that explicitly said "brand new" or something along those lines. Or a few that said "coming out next Tuesday" then did the 'math' to find what that would have been. 209.23.132.130 (talk) 15:27, 16 June 2021 (UTC) Fantastickkay (talk) 15:27, 16 June 2021 (UTC)