User talk:Fanzoleeds

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Fane family
I am reverting your multiple edits to articles where you have added "He was a member of the Fane family." for several reasons: -- PBS (talk) 11:32, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The link is to a disambiguation page (something we do not do)
 * The additions are not sourced.
 * There is no formal definition of extended family in English so any such addition is OR.

Thomas Fane
I reverted you edit to Thomas Fane please see Naming conventions (royalty and nobility) for knt. and bart. -- PBS (talk) 11:59, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Fane (surname)
Please read WP:DABSTYLE there should only be one link per entry on a disambiguation page. -- PBS (talk) 23:54, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Vere Bonamy Fane
Greetings. Please be careful about copying and pasting material from other websites into Wikipedia pages. This is most often a copyright violation. I removed the offending material from the article in question. Regards, P. D. Cook  Talk to me! 14:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Sources required
Please do not add or change content without citing verifiable and reliable sources, as you did to Fane (surname). Before making any potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you.

Unless you can provide a source for the history of the name, it will be reverted to the basic text that existed prior to your additions. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 16:23, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * No, seriously, you need to provide your sources or I will remove the background history. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 23:17, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Fane (surname) is a disambiguation page (please read the page at the end of the link). There is no evidence that all the Fanes in the world belong to the family you have placed here. Further please see WP:NOT and WP:PROVIT I am going to remove the additional information that you have put onto the page. If you want to create a Fane Family everything on it should be backed up with reliable sources for all the information you provide. To date you have not done that.


 * See these examples:
 * Fleetwood (noble family)
 * Percy family
 * House of Neville
 * Earls of Westmorland
 * -- PBS (talk) 11:57, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Another family article that might suit you needs as a template is Verney family -- PBS (talk) 23:09, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought I had made it clear the extra information that you added to the dab page Fane (surname) does not belong there. I have moved the information in to such a page for you see Fane family. -- PBS (talk) 06:17, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


 * See also Category:Fane family -- PBS (talk) 06:27, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Look down here for your helpinfo Fanzoleeds
I am trying to find sources to confirm the fane family relationship but I am concerned about copywrite. I am nw to this and not wanting to make mistakes however the Fane family are a single family according to debretts and peerage.com what should I do? Thanks you for the assistance.


 * In the future, please place new posts at the bottom of the existing talk-page (wherever that is, even if it's not your own). Otherwise, keeping posts in order is difficult if everything is all jumbled-up.  And remember to sign all your posts with four of these things (called tildes) ~  ... so folks will know who is doing the 'talking'.
 * Shearonink (talk) 19:58, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * In my opinion (and my opinion only) I think your concerns and research might be better-served by a genealogy-research forum or website where the experts there can more readily address your research questions. That being said, perhaps the following WIkipedia resources will be of some help:


 * Copyright
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 * If you cite your sources & give credit to wherever you found the information and don't cut and paste too high a percentage of the actual text in the source materials, that usually will take care of possible copyright issues.
 * Shearonink (talk) 19:58, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

DNB
There is an extreamly useful resource called Dictionary of National Biography it is copyright expired, so you are free to copy its content providing you attribute the source. (see also DNB DNB Cite)

You can search a online version of the index to this multi volume dictionary:
 * The Internet Archive: Lee, Sidney (1903), Dictionary of National Biography Index and Epitome, p. 418 (also main DNB xviii 179)

BUT it is easier to use our own online version and help the project. The place to start is WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/DNB Epitome From there you can check if a British person has an entry. The number is the volume number. Lets take the example of Ralph Vane also known as Ralph Fane:
 * Ralph Vane WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/DNB Epitome 58 (Footnote 133): See Ralph Fane
 * Ralph Fane WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/DNB Epitome 18 (Footnote 303): "(d. 1552), alleged conspirator; knighted before Boulogne, 1644: fought at Muaselburgh, 1547; knight-banneret, 1547; charged with conspiring to murder Northumberland, 1561; executed."

So having found our subject in the DNB, we can find the article in two ways. At the www.archive.org they have a full set of the dictionary online, you will find them listed in the Wikipedia article on the Dictionary of  National Biography in the section Public domain sources for the DNB

BUT you can help the project by looking at the Wikisource version. The first stop is the DNB entries which can be found at Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900, Vol 18 Esdaile - Finan -- No entry for any Fane (sigh!), so this is what you do to help the WikiProject DNB, you go this page Wikisource:Page:Dictionary of National Biography volume 18.djvu/185 which is where the unprocessed source is kept (the page numbers on the text and the source pages do not match exactly hece 185 not 179) and you can edit the page (as I did for this entry for Sir Francis Fane (dramatist)).

As you will see with the edit I made to the source page, On Wikisource, we are trying to replicate the DNB as accurately as possible, so as few changes as possible should be made to the source. Once you have finished cleaning the source let me know and I can proof read it (you could do the same for the Fane pages I have cleaned) and then we can publish it/them on Wikisource. Also one a page is clean, like I did for the article on Francis Fane (dramatist), you can copy the text onto Wikipedia and reformat it in a more modern style and add additional information to it.

BTW There is also an online version of the more modern ODNB which contains the DNB biographies updated and also many newer ones as well as people who have become historically significant due to historical research since the DNB was written eg William Eyre (leveller) you can check for an entry here)

-- PBS (talk) 23:39, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh yes one other thing the image on Wikisource is often of poor quality and so it often better to look at the version on www.archive.org eg http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionarynatio23stepgoog#page/n191/mode/1up when cleaning the Wikisource version -- PBS (talk) 23:47, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

August 2010
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user:Childers1981
Is Childers1981 another account that you use? If it is and because the account has been used to edit some of the same articles as you have been using, you need to declare that it is (See WP:SOCK). See Userboxes/Wikipedia/Related accounts and my home page for how you can easily do this by placing on your home page. -- PBS (talk) 00:15, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Sock-puppet master
This master account is only blocked for 12 hours. This gives me time to block the other accounts, but it is no longer as you may not have been aware that you could not use multiple accounts to edit the same articles in the way that you did to edit just a few articles multiple times. If you used any other accounts please declare them here on the talk page. If in the future you start to use other, accounts then declare them on the user pages of this and those accounts so that they are not mistaken as sockpuppet accounts. --PBS (talk) 17:43, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

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