User talk:Fartherred

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A fund-raising appeal that no one will read
I do not contribute every year. Bunching my contributions up and sending them in one year saves on postage and my contributions are small enough that that makes a difference. I do not have e-mail. I do not trust using my credit card over the internet. You can take that risk if you like, but I send a check by mail. I heard from my bank that Wikimedia cashed the check. I turned off the fund-raising banners. Everyone else should do their part too. Charitable organizations might contribute most of the funds, but contributions from users are right and just. You know what you can reasonably contribute. You know how much Wikipedia benefits you, and it is a noble cause. Do the right thing. Fartherred (talk) 05:47, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Reorganization of Meteoroid proposed
Hi Fatherred, I believe that the meteoroid article is currently poorly structured. I have proposed a re-organization at Talk:Meteoroid. Perhaps you could look over my proposal at User:HopsonRoad/sandbox and make a recommendation. Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 02:02, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Check reference in Brown dwarf
Do not forget. - Fartherred (talk) 02:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I replied on my talk page. Cheers, –  SJ  +  04:13, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Your edit at Dyson sphere
While I agree in principle with removing the Halo entry, please be aware that it is about a novel based on the VG series, and not the same thing. I've moved it to the Popular culture article. Also you characterizing the entry as "some nonsense" is rude at best. Please be more civil.-- Auric    talk  20:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Handling requests for removal of classified information
In case anyone wants to know, I edited Talk:Legal and Community Advocacy/Statement on France at 05:05 hours on the 14th of June 2013 and again at 05:47 hours and at 14:43 on the 23rd of June and again at 14:51 hours on the 24th of June and again at 20:49 hours on the 29th of June 2013  - Fartherred (talk) 20:57, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of the Back contamination article
Hi Farthered, as we've talked in the past and you've been sympathetic, just to mention that my attempt to edit the back-contamination article has also been reverted and the admin Robert McLenon doesn't show much sympathy for me, has just written on my talk page:

"Stop whining about having been topic-banned. It is getting tiresome.

Your edits were too long, and that may be one reason why they were reverted rather than changed or cut."

WP now proposes deletion of the article.

I feel the way I have been treated throughout this affair was outrageous, by WP, BI, and also Robert McLenon here - he seems to have taken a grudge against me because of a mistake I made during my help desk session with him and never forgiven me for it. VQuakr also hasn't treated me too well either.

I'm wondering where to go next. One idea I had was to post an incident on the administrator's incident board. Another idea was to re-open the original AfD which was improperly conducted in many ways and I think merits a deletion review.

I'm not too keen on the idea to just give up and leave wikipedia with only WPs highly biased edit on the MSR mission page for backward contamination issues. I don't understand why there has been so much opposition to notable material with every sentence often backed up by numerous citations, with no discussion of the sources at all.

It might be that the "human colonization of the Mars surface" lobby in the US has been so effective the majority of those interested in spaceflight there believe them. That's about the only thing I can think of to explain it. If so it might be hard to get this dealt with in an admin incident report.

Anyway am discussing what to do with anyone I can find who might help, and if you have any thoughts do say. I will "watch this page" so you can answer here if you prefer. Robert Walker (talk) 06:23, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, Robert, I have not been giving much time to this issue because I have off-Wiki concerns that are pressing. If it seems to you that the only reason for editing Wikipedia is to promote the importance of contamination issues related to manned missions to Mars, particularly in a way that is in disagreement with most other editors, then your account may be regarded as an SPA.  I can understand people not looking favorably on your concerns.  Once you have been topic banned, you have the choice to edit only other topics until the ban expires, or to stop editing articles.  This is not your website.  You are a guest here.  If you make yourself an unwelcome guest, all editing privileges can be withdrawn.  Wikipedia is not the most important thing in the world.  You can do other things or start your own blog.  If you want to edit Wikipedia, you must get along.  - Fartherred (talk) 19:46, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * That's okay, Farthered, of course, and thanks for your perspective. Oh I contribute to wikipedia in many ways. On project Mars I also contributed material on surface habitats for life, though that was also deleted, also small edits just correcting details of facts in articles e.g. recently highest temperature recorded by the Viking orbiter. I also contribute on maths, rhythms, music and other topics.


 * I haven't been topic banned, it is just that all my contributions on contamination issues were removed from wikipedia, by Warren Platts, and he will revert if I attempt to add them in again. It is because the contamination issues topics are the ones removed that I may seem to have an obsession with them, but it is really he who has the obsession focusing on just those topics amongst my contributions to wikipedia, and also due to the edit warring they are the only things I've focused on for the last month or two. Normally they are just one of many things I write on.


 * He is now removing most of the material on planetary contamination issues throughout wikipedia. That doesn't seem right to me. But probably there is nothing I can do about it. Thanks for your help. Robert Walker (talk) 20:07, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * One thing though at least I've got all the drafts in my user space, and they can be re-used under CC By. So if it comes to it and I can't use them here I can contribute them elsewhere, e.g. my science20 blog or start a new wikie on contamination issues or some such. Robert Walker (talk) 01:02, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Good for you that you have your own blog. My mistake in suggesting that you might be considered an SPA was just carelessness because I was not taking the time to consider details.  I think that WarrenPlatts' efforts result in  an unbalanced POV, but I cannot support your work in Manned mission to Mars that he removed.  It had faults.  My limited ability will not set things right for some time, if ever, but I am not in a big hurry.  I apologize for all of the rudeness that you have been subjected to, but it is outside of my proper scope to take any corrective action.  It seems likely to me that you will be unable to improve things in the Mars project.  A posting on Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents would be likely to get you into more trouble.  I hope that you can accept limitations and be satisfied with doing good elsewhere.  Informing me of problems that I might be able to help remedy is more helpful if communications are less frequent, somewhat corresponding to my ability to address them.  - Fartherred (talk) 16:37, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's great, yes I came to the same conclusion. Actually got as far as drafting out an incident report in my sandbox, slept on it, and realised it would just cause much more trouble.


 * That's okay you have always been considerate and never rude yourself, and have give me valuable advice. It was a natural misunderstanding to suppose I was a SPA. You are not responsible for the rudeness of the others. Hope that we will be able to work together agai in the future.


 * I agree the section I did for Manned mission to Mars had many faults, and you couldn't be expected to support it in its most recent form. Wish I had had the time to rewrite it, I would write it differently if I wrote it now.


 * I've posted one of my user drafts as a new post on "Mars Sample Receiving Facility and sample containment" to my science20.com blog, under CC By SA of course, where it is getting hundreds of views right now (always most when first released). Wavelength on the Environmental Project suggested I try again a year from now. So I might do that, things might well have changed in many ways. A year is a long time. May well work with you again then, and appreciate your help so far. There is no urgency about replies, other editors may rush about and do lots in a single day (including myself sometimes) but is no need for others to get caught up in the rush, a slower pace of replies is all to the good :). Thanks! Robert Walker (talk) 19:02, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

One more thing Robert, you seem to get flustered and make mistakes when someone makes derogatory statements about you. This quality makes it likely that you would do poorly in contributing to a WP:ANI. So, if it should happen that your name is mentioned in such a proceeding, the best thing for you to do would be to decline to comment and if particularly asked for comment, write: "I prefer not to comment. I will let the record speak for itself.  I will accept whatever decision is made here." I wish you well. - Fartherred (talk) 07:56, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes Farthered, you are right I do get flustered and make mistakes in those situations. Good advice. Thanks! Robert Walker (talk) 09:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Was your advice on Robert Walker's talk page to Robert Walker? I agree that he should leave the evidence as it is and not reply to the replies.  I intend to leave the evidence as it is.  You are right that Requests for Arbitration are long and tedious, but I don't see this as a case that can be handled effectively at AN or at ANI.    Robert McClenon (talk) 20:26, 14 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes it was for me, I'm sure. Fartherred has give me excellent advice in the past, and glad to hear you agree with his advice. That is exactly what I'll do. Thanks. Robert Walker (talk) 20:52, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Did Eddington really notice a discrepancy in solar mass?
I added your comment and my (not too helpful) reply on the article talk page because I think we may need specialist help. Thanks for your input, Timpo (talk) 08:11, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for you quick response. talk-back template removed - Fartherred (talk) 17:48, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

An error of mine
User:The Herald reverted an edit I made to US 708. I would not have even known the damage that I did to the article if I had not come back to check on it. I noticed that The Herald had to take the trouble to revert my edit. I had lost trak of what I was doing half way through doing it and you can see the result. If I start to do things like that often, I will need to stop editing. - Fartherred (talk) 14:48, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Uncivil behavior
Hello, I'm N2e. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil, so I have responded to it on the Talk page where you left it.

Wikipedia needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page.

I have placed a response to your comments in the Talk:Space_habitat Talk page section.

I do think that civil behavior on your part would further your aims better than your currently chosen course of action.

I would recommend that the best course of action might be for you to go back and clean up your comments in any articles where that line has been crossed (I have neither the time nor inclination to go look for other articles where you may have done the same thing) and remove the uncivil comments. I think that would get us on the best path for returning to work on the encyclopedia, and would be taken by me as an explicit act of good faith. Cheers. N2e (talk) 11:49, 20 April 2015 (UTC) N2e (talk) 11:49, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Uncivil behavior is more apropriately a topic for a user page than an article talk page. This is from: Civility "(another behavior) ... or to treat constructive criticism as an attack, are in themselves potentially disruptive,...".  I think your complaints are based on misconceptions about civil behavior, as I have explained at the "Space habitat" talk page.  However, if you wish to limit your contribution to talk subjects that I have contributed to, to complaints about imagined incivility, that is your choice.  - Fartherred (talk) 21:50, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

July 2015
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February 2016
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Revert
I have no idea how your talk page entry got reverted, with my name as the reverter, as I have never followed that article and know nothing about it. My apologies, even though I had nothing to do with it. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/ talk to me!  19:58, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your timely apology. If the reverting at Talk:Main sequence was caused by someone hacking your account or hacking a Wikipedia server or just a disinterested software bug, at least we were able to set the record straight.  - Fartherred (talk) 22:14, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Gary Brooks Faulkner
Thanks for the heads up - I've now put in two "speedy deletion" requests. My first ones, so very exciting! Snori (talk) 03:11, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Note
See Mekhitarists, Bill Bryson and My Life and Hard Times, Decline and Fall, author Evelyn Waugh, neutron stars , A MEETING WITH THE UNIVERSE, by NASA with image from Solar Maximum Mission satellite in 1980. Don't pass it by. Find on page: "Subsurface Ocean" in ((Life on Titan)). 10370 Hylonome. - Fartherred (talk) 09:08, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Reverted edit to Geroge Pell
Hi Fartherred,

I have reverted your most recent edits to George Pell as they do not appear to be in NPOV language and the appeal is already mentioned, please discuss on the article talk page and obtain consensus for these changes. Aeonx (talk) 10:28, 10 June 2019 (UTC)