User talk:Fatal!ty/Archive 1

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Templates
I have reverted all your edits, as this is not how you make a template. If you want to do it, you should make a single version at Template:Aliyah and then put this on pages using Aliyah. However, as an Aliyah template already exists, there is no need. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  23:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have reverted all your edits again. That is not how you add a template to pages. If you want to add a template, just add the text at the top of the article. Try doing this and hit show preview instead of save. Please do not add the entire template code to an article again. If you still don't understand, please ask me to explain more before trying again. Thanks,  пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  17:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Smile


Candlewicke (Talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Please do not edit other people's user pages
I have reverted your edits to my user page and will revert those you made to those of User:Abu ali. It is not wise to edit other people's user pages to your liking without informing them. Please never do that kind of thing again. Thanks.  T i a m u t talk 13:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you.
Hi,

Thank you for the warm welcome to the Wiki community. I have benefitted so much from Wikipedia, the least I can do to give back to the Wikommunity is to do some minor editing wherever I can. I will surely try to take up some of the suggested tasks. Thanks much. --Shanks1962 (talk) 10:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Security of Israel
Hi Fatality! Thanks for the warm words. About the issue, I don't see any reason to create an article entitled Security of Israel. The Hebrew article is mediocre at best, and lacks focus. It's pretty much all over the place, while not really talking about anything - in other words, exactly what Wikipedia should not have. Much of the current info there could be put into History of the Israel Defense Forces and History of Israel. The last section is equivalent to the Israeli security forces article. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 16:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion
The Rowlatt satyagraha, I thought was an important mark in Indian freedom struggle. But unfortunately my English mightn't be beautiful. Thanks for telling me itself. asdofindia (talk) 11:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Flawless Execution
I have to disagree with you on your request for speedy deletion of the Flawless Execution article. While the article is not well sourced, I don't think it represents patent nonsense. It describes a valid business model that, at least according to the author, is gaining some foothold in the business community. If he can cite some sources of this business practice, it would make the article more reliable, but, again, I disagree with the "patent nonsense" label.WikiDan61 (talk) 12:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Rather than mark for speedy deletion, why not mark for "Cleanup needed" or some such. (I've been trying to find the necessary template for that.)WikiDan61 (talk) 12:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Please be aware of the use of the db-nonsense tag
Hello Fatal!ty, I too love tagging articles for speedy deletion like you. However, several articles which you have tagged as db-nonsense are not nonsense but advertisements, poorly sourced articles, articles about unimportant people etc. Wikipedia has separate tags for each of these. Do try to learn about the various tags so that you will know what to use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/Deletion Andvd (talk) 12:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)Andvd

Please: Read the style manual
Your move of Markov spectrum to Markov Spectrum, with a capital initial "S", violates the norms of Manual of Style and makes it necessary for others to undo it and then attend to fixing links to the article. Similarly with another article you moved. Michael Hardy (talk) 03:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Did You Know problem
Hi. I've reviewed your DYK submission for the article Abergil Crime Family, and made a comment on it at the submissions page. Please feel free to reply or comment there. Cheers, Art LaPella (talk) 03:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Crime in Israel
Regarding this edit, the article is supposed to give a balanced view. Crime in Israel is not committed by Jews only, similarly crime in Israel is not committed by Palestinians only. But the see also section contains link to Palestinian political violence. To maintain NPOV, the negative sides of both Jews and Palestinians should be included.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 08:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Please provide reference to MOS
Hello Fatal!ty, you moved the article Franz Breit (1817-1868) to Franz Breit (Obstetrician), (which another user then moved to Franz Breit (obstetrician)) on the reason that: "Must include his profession in the title, not his birth/death dates". Could you provide a reference-link in MOS that supports this "must". I have created quite a number of articles with years in the title, and you are the first one to raise this issue. Some of my pages are crosslinked from Commons and wiki projects in other languages, and while redirects allow moves without broken links it's still a mess. I have so far used years in the title to ensure unambiguous and easy identification. Franz Breit is not such an unusual name, there might even be a living "Franz Breit (obstetrician)" but "Franz Breit (1817-1868)" is in all likelihood unique and clearly identifies him as a historic person. Power.corrupts (talk) 12:52, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't usually watch this page, but please see Naming conventions (people). Art LaPella (talk) 23:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You are absolutely right, thanks. Power.corrupts (talk) 12:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Tooth Interior Fatigue Fracture
How is this 'patent nonsense'?  naerii  08:47, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, the template you are looking for in such a case is . Being uncategorised, having no internal links, etc, is not a reason for deletion. The article does need cleaning up, and needs sources, but that is not patent nonsense. Patent nonsense is for random gibberish and suchlike; "cheese is green la la al i like the moon", for example, is patent nonsense. The article in question makes sense, if the topic is a bit esoteric. Just a note so that you are aware in the future. Cheers,  naerii  11:34, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Processor book
Hi Just a reminder, be very thorough what you tag for speedy deletion, especially as a G1 or A1. Try to at least hit the What links here link to put it into perspective. In particular, Processor book is not patent nonsense. If there's any doubt, PROD it or bring it to AfD. Thanks & Cheers, Amalthea Talk 11:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Irrational edit
This edit is completely irrational. The tag you put there says:
 * This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as an article or other page which is unsalvageably incoherent with no meaningful content or history;
 * This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as an article or other page which is unsalvageably incoherent with no meaningful content or history;

That is absurd. Michael Hardy (talk) 13:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * To be fair, the article at this point was an exact copy of Grzegorz Rasiak, and Fatal!ty changed the db-tag to an underconstruction-tag as soon as the originial author started transforming it into an actual article about Bartosz Kupper. Still not a G1, but also not completely irrational. Cheers, Amalthea Talk 14:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This is what the article was the article looked like when I placed a a CSD tag on it. The new article was simply copied and pasted from this article, and it seemed to me as the user was just fooling around. I also based this inference on the fact that this was the user's first Contribution, and the action may have simply been infamiliarity with Wikipedia policy. Cheers --Fatal!ty (T☠LK) 01:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, but it still isn't patent nonsense or gibberish. In some cases duplication of content at an unrelated topic can count as a test page, but in this case the topics were related. If in doubt, just PROD it.
 * Oh, and one other thing: I noticed this edit. Generally speaking, *every* site on the internet is copyrighted, I see no reason why geocities content should't be (although it might genereally not be pursued, but that isn't the point). In particular, that site even has a "© 2003 Rowman Web design. All rights reserved" at the bottom.
 * Cheers, Amalthea Talk 10:24, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Yonty Solomon
A tag has been placed on Yonty Solomon requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.

If the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must include on the external site the statement "I, (name), am the author of this article, (article name), and I release its content under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 and later." You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 02:43, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

August 2008
Please do not add copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. ''You seem to have a very big misunderstanding of copyrights. Yes, all Geocities websites are copyrighted unless there is a specific notice releasing its contents to the public domain or under GFDL. Ditto MySpace and any other website. Anything someone writes on a website is copyrighted automatically unless they have specifically released that copyright. Additionally, on the Yonty Solomon article, you claimd the "Geocities sites are typically uncopyrighted" despite the fact that the website you infringed on had a very clear copyright notice on it. Wikipedia takes people's copyrights very seriously. Please refrain from continuing to copy/paste contents from other websites in such a manner.'' -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 02:51, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Sandbox
Just a quickie - is there any particular reason for this edit and for nominating the Sandbox for deletion? Is Twinkle running amok with you? GbT/c 12:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the inconvenience. Just testing Twinkle out. . .Hope theres no problem. Cheers --Fatal!ty (T☠LK) 12:42, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Was this also a test? D.M.N. (talk) 12:44, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ye, I'm testing out the deletion tabs with twinkle. . .and what better place to do it than on the Sandbox? Cheers --Fatal!ty (T☠LK) 12:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well ... stop, please. The Sandbox is for edit tests. Twinkle will always affect a number of other pages besides the sandbox. Look at your contributions to see what else you edited via Twinkle. -- Amalthea Talk 12:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * kk, point taken, however I must ask, where else can I test out Twinkle? --Fatal!ty (T☠LK) 12:48, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I can't really say, I don't think you can. Of course, you pretty much already tried every function except arv already. Other than that, I can only recommend to read the documentation. Cheers, Amalthea Talk 12:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact, I myself am still wondering what that unlink link would do. The description sounded dangerous, I haven't tried clicking it yet. ;) -- Amalthea Talk 13:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe its to delink an article (i.e. James Joyce --> James Joyce).  Syn  ergy 13:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Make a subpage in your userspace for tests. Although I laughed bloody hard when I saw the sandbox up for infinite cascading protection. :D Just make sure that next time it's an accident... · AndonicO  Engage. 14:23, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Dark They Were, And Golden Eyed (bookshop)
I've added a large amount to this article in the last 24 hours, with references; and have found numerous pages on Wikipedia itself which reference the shop - for example, Forbidden Planet Bookshop and Fortean Times. There are also various threads off Wikipedia which link in to the article, mainly on Science Fiction and Comic boards. Are we happy to keep this page up now, as I'm confident that the shop is notable and we have the basis of a good article? WorthyDan (talk) 09:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

We've got the toaster
In reply to your message at my talk page, you said that I created the page. I did not in fact create the page first; I was merely userfying it and flagging it for deletion. Tohd8BohaithuGh1 (talk) 15:49, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Context
The first two sentences of Cheadle Coalfield contained four blue links any one of which was sufficient to establish the context. Please think before applying speedy tags. &mdash; RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 17:00, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Message
WilliamH (talk) 17:02, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Warning
Hello, Why are you giving me warnings for deleting warnings from my talk page? 81.96.131.189 (talk) 06:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Please familiarize yourself with WP:BLANKING before asking silly questions and going on vandalism sprees. Have a nice day --Fatal!ty (T☠LK) 06:21, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That page clearly states: "Policy does not prohibit users, including both registered and anonymous users, from removing comments from their own talk pages, although archiving is preferred. The removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user"

Therefore I am permitted to remove them?81.96.131.189 (talk) 06:24, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

You have received multiple warnings and you have been reported to the administrator vandalism board. Trying to simply 'erase' evidence of your vandalism won't stop you from being blocked. --Fatal!ty (T☠LK) 06:28, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Repeatedly replacing warnings does nothing but antagonize users, and can encourage further disruption;


 * I know that. It is all still there in the "history". No evidence is being deleted. Just trying to clean up talk page. If I am blocked, then I get blocked. Deleting warnings, obviously wont stop that.81.96.131.189 (talk) 06:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Yu-Gi-Oh! Trading Card Game

 * You ought to think twice about labeling good faith edits as vandalism, especially when the version you revert to is vandalized. JuJube (talk) 07:45, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * My mistake. Regarding this edit, I must say that I assumed it was vandalism after checking the diff of the user that I reverted and the edit prior to that one. In order to avoid accidental reverts in the future, i've inserted a hidden comment before the statement in question. Cheers! --Fatal!ty (T☠LK) 08:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Arabic translation of Jabel Mukaber
Hi there Fatal!ty. About your question: "Jabel" means mountain, while "Mukaber" is a bit harder to translate. It comes from the root word "Kabara" or "to make bigger". "Mukaber" can mean "amplifier" (for e.g. "megaphone" in Arabic is "Mukaber sawt" or "Sound amplifier"). The "Mukaber" is also the phrase "Allahu akbar" ("God is great"). So I guess Jabel Mukaber could be translated as either the "amplified mountain" or perhaps the "greatest mountain", but you may want to find some sources that provide you a translation for the town's name itself since this kind of literal translation, while accurate, may be leaning toward WP:OR.

Glad to know you are planning to work on the problems in the article that I detailed on the talk page. Happy editing!  T i a m u t talk 14:55, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:443-OE3-Gloster-Grouse-3-ES.jpg
An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:443-OE3-Gloster-Grouse-3-ES.jpg, has been listed at Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Nigel Ish (talk) 19:59, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Grouse.gif
An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Grouse.gif, has been listed at Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Nigel Ish (talk) 19:59, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * UK Copyright -as far as I know - expires 70 years after the death of the author - i.e. the person who took the photo. The chances are with this photo that the original photographer was still alive in 1938  - therefore copyright will still be in place. Anyway, the place to discuss this is the discussion page linked above.Nigel Ish (talk) 05:51, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Regarding plot sypnosis deletion in The Guard Post
Hi Fatal!ty, I would like to know why my plot sypnosis on The Guard Post wikipedia was deemed not constructive. It is a rather detailed sypnosis of the events in the movie and it is as long as the sypnosis found in R-Point, for example. However, I apologise as my edits may seem like vandalism, as I'm constantly finding error mistakes or things I have left out in the sypnosis. I would like to know if I could request on putting back up the plot if I'm allowed to. Weils (Talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 03:22, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

firss off my edit was correct
the fact that 10 and highers only require 2 tribs is correct it is also correct that most have special summoning conditions. please do not change my edites on yugioh in the future as i am a upper deck judge for yugioh and i know the correct rules —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firl21 (talk • contribs) 04:08, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: The Guard Post
Hi Fatal1ty, thanks very much for putting back my plot sypnosis. It was partly my fault for not using the sandbox to test or check for errors in the first place. I'll try to get in the habit of doing that before adding the information into the real wiki topic page, so as to prevent further misunderstanding. Thanks again! --Weils (Talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 05:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Rollback
My policy is "ask and it is done", as I really don't see it as a big deal, so, ✅! The standard disclaimer: Don't use it for anything other than reverting completely obvious vandalism - not POV edits, not trivia, not edits you just don't agree with, etc etc. In return you can do me a favour and take that "practical joke" message bar off your talk page - they are REALLY annoying! Best, Neıl   ☄   08:26, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Blocked
Blocked: 1 week, and I am removing your approval for the rollback tool. You are responsible for at least one series of IP vandal edits (which you rolled back) and you are responsbile for the vandal account and the silly buggers account. Constructive edits and vandalism patrolling are appreciated but breaching experiments and good hand/bad hand editing are not. Thatcher 11:18, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Checkuser. Thatcher 11:31, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Checkuser results can show where two accounts are only possibly connected, or that the connection is unlikely. It can even give results that show a probable connection, but are not 100% sure. Obviously, it can also confirm when the same IP has been used by multiple accounts. In the absence of behavioral evidence, we usually don't block in those cases. But turn it around here; Checkuser showed that an IP used for vandalism and two sockpuppet accounts was connected to yours in some fashion (not being a checkuser, I can't review the report), and then you happen to rollback a series of that IP's vandalism? There are coincidences, and there are coincidences, and this one is hard to explain. I have to trust Thatcher on this one. UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 12:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well within the margin of error, actually. If it was one incident I would have warned you quietly.  Having found 2 more, you get a public block. Thatcher 13:57, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

About Jabel Mukaber
Hi there. After seeing that you've been blocked, I decided to get proactive and start making the changes required to get Jabel Mukaber to be more WP:NPOV. I hope you don't mind. I'm trying to salvage it as a DYK if possible since you won't be able to make the changes yourself in time. Blocks can happen to the best of us and I hope that whatever happened, you can come back with a fresh perspective on things without getting too discouraged. Cheers.  T i a m u t talk 14:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Blocked
Blocked: Indefinitely, for continuing to make vandal accounts during your block above. as noted here. Thatcher 15:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The original accounts WP Is C!! and Thewikiqediarollbacker, as well as the issue of IP vandalism, are either you personally, or someone sitting at your computer typing while your back is turned, and the strategem of using Firefox for your regular editing and Internet Explorer for vandal editing is not as clever as you apparently think.  These    are all the same person, and it is someone who uses your network in your geographic area. Final determination would have to be made on the basis of behavior, but the technical evidence is highly consistent with this being you as well.  I will summarize my confidential findings and forward them to other checkusers for an independent confirmation.  If they agree with me, your next appeal would be to arbcom by email.  I should note, however, that you have dug yourself quite a hole.  The technical evidence for WP Is C!! and Thewikiqediarollbacker is unmistakable.  You could perhaps claim that someone else was sharing the IP (although there is no technical evidence for that) but that does not explain how, entirely by chance, of all the vandal edits reverted every hour, you would just happen to revert edits made from your own IP address.  Having denied the obvious, the denials of the other accounts are not convincing, and now if you admit that your previous denials were false, your continued denials of the other accounts will be even less convincing. Thatcher 14:35, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Contesting the Deletion for nirmik
Hi there,

You placed a deletion tag on my contribution nirmik on wikipedia, I am still a novice on Wikipedia and am not sure if I have broken any rules, I have just put in some information that I have on the Non Profit Organization that I am a part of on Wikipedia. Can you please let me know if there is a major error there and please also provide suggestions to improve this.

Many Thanks, ~Malcolm 09:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)Mloclam :)

what's up 50 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.59.140 (talk) 00:25, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Unblock request
I have left a comment for Thatcher. Daniel Case (talk) 13:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

He said OK, as long as you behave yourself. Any further socking will result in the indefinite block being restored with much less chance of it being lifted. Daniel Case (talk) 18:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Your rollback request
Hi! I regret that I must inform you that your request for the rollback permission has been denied. You can discover why by checking the archives at Requests for permissions/Denied/November 2008. SoxBot X (talk) 14:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Blocks, socks and adminship
Thanks for answering the question I asked in your RfA. Transparency is best in these matters, I think. Regards, the skomorokh  14:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I prepared to be completely upfront regarding this issue. I only hope the wiki community sees my actions in the same light. --Fatal!ty (T☠LK) 14:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Jclemen's RfA
I have removed your !vote from Jclemen's RfA. Before we vote, we need to A) wait for Jclemens to accept the nom and B) wait for him to transclude it. Voting before the RfA goes live is considered bad form. I do, however, appreciate your enthusiasm and look forward to your support when it is live.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 15:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Your RfA
Based on your nom, I think you expected this, but I went ahead and withdrew your RfA per WP:NOTNOW you haven't been around long enough and despite your best wishes, the block does weigh on people's minds. I encourage you to go out and and establish yourself, and if you wish to run again in 3-6 months, people will give you a fair shot then. Anyways, thanks for your contributions to the project.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 15:49, 21 November 2008 (UTC)