User talk:FeanorStar7/Archive 1

Welcome
Hi FeanorStar! Welcome to Wikipedia. I hope you enjoy it here, and I hope you stay. It's a fantastic project and quite a lot of fun.

In addition, I'm always glad to see someone else interested in Baroque music.

By the way, as far as I know, the title of Felice Anerio's group was indeed "vertuosa Compagnia de i Musici di Roma" (not "dei"). If you don't feel like fixing it I will later. On the spelling of the Cavalieri composition "Rappresentatione di Anima et di Corpo" I was surprised to find both spellings used (Grove uses "et" and some others use "e" ) so, hey, I'm fine with changing it.

Once again, a warm welcome to Wikipedia, and I look forward to your future work here. Antandrus 01:35, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Good work overnight! I see you have corrected a lot of my careless typing and formatting, and put up a bunch of important stubs (e.g. Froberger, Jacob Praetorius).  It's feeling a little less lonely in the early Baroque now!  Best, Antandrus 16:08, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Welcome
N/P i don't know what article your refering to, LOC i see kewl, now thats got to be an intresting job. --Boothy443 10:17, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Schein
Thanks for alerting me to that! I fixed it. Yup, I wrote the original Schein article many moons ago ... usually the procedure is to set up a bunch of redirects to avoid situations like this (e.g. Johan Schein, Johann Herman Schein, Johann Hermann Schein, Schein, would all redirect to the fully developed article, to minimize the risk of someone starting a new article unaware of the existence of one already there). Happy editing! Antandrus 02:42, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

You would seem to be new
Your improvement of Jacques Joseph Champollion-Figeac is appreciated. Even you were repelled by the bad-OCR bits, and like I, left it behind. --FourthAve 14:40, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

History of the Jews in Hungary
''Hi Reinyday: Thanks for the reminder about the template. I was trying to alert the Wikipublic that the history stopped in the 1880s and needs to be updated to include the Holocaust and Communist periods. I mentioned this on the talk page. Hope that explains why I used the template. FeanorStar7''

FeanorStar7, thank you so much for your kind explanation. It is greatly appreciated! I've restored the template. -- Reinyday, 02:34, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello
Yes, I enjoy the old wording of the 1911 EB and the challeges it presents to deciphering language garbles and updating. Welcome aboard! --DanielCD 16:30, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikilinks and minstrel show
Hi, FeanorStar7! Thanks for your recent edits to minstrel show. However, please be aware that overlinking an article is a current hot topic on Wikipedia. Compare, for example, Build the web with Make only links relevant to the context. I used to be in the former camp, but arguments have swayed me into the latter in recent weeks. It also seems that reduced linking is currently en vogue at Featured article candidates. At any rate, I wanted to let you know that I may delink some of what you recently linked. Not all, but some. I just wanted to make sure you didn't take it as an affront! BrianSmithson 02:19, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Stavelot Triptych
Hi, was wondering if you had any thoughts or ideas about the question on the discussion page of Stavelot Triptych -- in search of a photograph that can be properly licensed under creative commons or GNU or public domain. Stbalbach 04:07, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


 * oh sorry, I guess the question is do you know anyone who has access to it that can take a picture and upload to Wikipedia. Whoever takes the picture owns the copyright and can release it under a public domain or creative commons license. The only pictures I could find are through google, most of which are impossible to establish a license for since you never know who took the picture originally. Stbalbach 13:56, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Julian (disambiguation)
Noticed your recent edit to Julian (disambiguation), under the edit summary "wikify". Disambiguation pages are not articles, and have their own style designed for effeicency for readers. This includes not having unncessary wikilinks. More info is at Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). Happy editing! --Commander Keane 11:53, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

1911 EB Page 16
Per your note on Page 16 discussion: Ok, If you can verify them that would be great. Do you think we should have a vote for noninclusion for some of the articles, like the ones on page 1? I was thinking we could use page 16 for this if we can get it cleared out. Some of these are just not of any use. Like Seal Fisheries. Any info here will be dated, but I suppose if someone wanted to write on the "History of Seal Fisheries"...but even then...good grief let's just chunk it. But I don't want to without a vote.

Also: I hope you guys don't mind my constant reformatting. --DanielCD 17:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Yea, we should probably keep them around. I'm usually very conservative about deleting, that's why I put up the vote thing, so others could comment. I think finding a cubby hole for them somewhere is a good idea. --DanielCD 01:29, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikisource 1911Encyclopaedia Britannica project
Have you yet seen the Wikisource project?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:WikiProject_1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica Then follow internal link to 1911 Encyclopaedia for the texts we have so far.

The goal is to have the entire EB1911 there fully corrected with the original illustrations and then locked, as a service for WP Editors. If you have the time we would welcome you as a participant. Apwoolrich 15:29, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your prompt response. I suggest you sign up for Wikisource then signup for the EB1911 project page We so far have a lot of articles from the start of vol 1 that need attention. We do have some conventions for long articles and I suggest you have a look at the Music one in our EB1911 list to get an idea. Am I right in thinking that a number of articles from EB1911 have recently been put on Wikipedia? Do you know how many? Maybe we ought to be thinking about getting these put on Wikisource as well for proper editing.

I have a personal copy of the compact edition of EB1911, and am just now putting on the list of contributors from the index volume. I have also added the original introduction and wrote the biogs of Hugh Chisholm and Janet E. Courtney, staff members, and I have some more to do when I can get round to it.

You might care also to have a good look at the Help pages which I have been writing. Editing for Wikisoource is more complex than writing for Wikpedia and I am trying to smooth the path of new editors. Even after about 18 months of regular editing on Wikipedia I have had a struggle to sort out some of the techniques need here. Kind regards. Apwoolrich 22:17, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

A naughty word
Hey, could you check the original text of the article Antoine-Élisabeth-Cléophas Dareste de la Chavanne in 1911EB. there's a word there that's driving me nuts, a name: " \Teil-Castel". Jrank has it as Schleiers-Castel, but I can't find anything on this. I was hoping that whatever section of the 1911 you have would have this. --DanielCD 22:28, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

If it's not a problem. Must be nice to have access to so many resources. That one was just driving me nuts. Thanks a lot for the help. BTW I deleted those three articles (Logographi, Lombardo (family) and Thomas M'Crie) from the page; hope that's ok; they looked fine. --DanielCD 03:56, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

1911 Britannica copy
Hi, FeanorStar7. In one of your messages on the 1911 Britannica project, it sounded like you have access to a physical copy of the encyclopedia. If that is the case, and it's not too much trouble, I was wondering if you could look up a few numbers in the Boring (mechanical) article. Some of the numbers were garbled in both online versions and the 4 sets of numbers in bold are only guesses. Thanks, Kjkolb 22:40, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Help needed with 'Sons of Noah' hijacking
Hi FeanorStar - I was wondering if I could trouble you for a little help.

The Former Featured Article, Sons of Noah, that several of Wikipedia's best editors carefully collaborated on, was recently hi-jacked by a single user, FDuffy, who first moved it to a totally different subject with no discussion; blanked out years worth of research, filled the new article "Table of Nations" with blatant POV, strawmen, terrible grammar and spelling, and replaced the text with several inaccurate tables; deliberately placed false GFDL histories at the old title to prevent me from moving it back without an admin deleting it; and finally, has reverted to his sloppy, deficient and POV version numerous times in the past couple of days. I have been trying to counter these actions single-handedly, as noone else has even taken a notice; please see the discussion on the Talk Page: Talk:Table of nations. He is refusing to budge on a single point, even insisting that bizarre spelling such as "nethertheless" and "disguarded" for "discarded" are correct "British English"...!!! Someone has to notice this behaviour and do something here!

Anyway, what I was hoping you could do to help is this: On the talk page I have been trying to take on the problems with his version point by point, one at a time. So far we haven't even got off the first point. Apparently he found a wikipedia article that stated that the Ancient nation of Turkey known as "Tabal" was also known as "Jabal" and "Jubal", so he insists on writing this erroneous info into his chart alongside "Tubal, son of Japheth". From his responses to my challenge of this, it seems evident that he is bluffing about his sources; he cannot even provide an actual quote and does not seem to even know what they really say. But finally, after much pressing, he finally gave the following as his "sources" (without any quotes) for his (fraudulent, if you ask me) contention that Luwian inscriptions in Alişar and Çalapverdi, Turkey, refer to either "Jabal" or "Jubal":

Kurt Bittel (Hattusha, the Kingdom of the Hittites 1970: pp. 133 f)

Ivane Javakhishvili. Historical-Ethnological problems of Georgia, the Caucasus and the Near East. Tbilisi, 1950, pp. 130-135 (in Georgian)

Like I said, he isn't able to tell us what they actually say, just pretends to have knowledge that they back up his contention that Tabal was also referred to as "Jubal". (BTW He ripped these titles from the page Tabal.) Outside of wikipedia, I have never seen any sources anywhere referring to the Anatolian Tabali as "Jubal"/"Jabal". I won't be able to get to a sizable library for several days, but in the meantime I was wondering if there is maybe anything on this you could possibly find out, in the name of Truth. I may be able to get my hands on the Bittel book myself as early as today, though. Much regards, ፈቃደ 14:54, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Wow, if you can find out what the Georgian says from a Georgian, that would be great! I think I have probably seen Bittel before somewhere, but can't remember what library it was exactly... Yeah, contacting an admin looks like my next step; I'm going to try Llywrch... Cheers, ፈቃደ 16:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I would like to point out that Codex's expression of this is somewhat biased, and, perhaps deliberately, mischaracterised. Inevitably, since he is the aggrieved party. I would also like to point out that collecting together editors which support your pov constitutes bullying, which is inappropriate behaviour.

The British English spelling rule I am insisting on does not concern dis(card/guard)ed. It concerns the use of are and is for a particular type of collective that English English regards as plural but American regards as singular. Since the sentence in question was written by a speaker of English English, "authors choice" requires that it use are.

The inscription in question is Luwian not Kartvelian (Georgian). Its also in a slightly unsafe area of Turkey (danger of kidnap by religious extremists/Kurdish nationalists/both). I did not rip the titles from Tabal, for example, I did not include Tobol amongst them.

I did not blank out "years worth" of "research", but incorporated most of the earlier material, supplementing it with a volume of further academic material, from e.g. the Jewishencyclopedia (there is an online copy - its easy to verify).

The alleged "mischaracterisation"/strawmen of creationist pov in the article, an allegation made by Codex, is in fact carefully checked material, and even features already on the article Japheth. In fact, it was Codex that added it to that article. On at least two seperate occasions.

The article Japheth, specifically Codex's additions has (amongst others)
 * Meschech = Algonquians
 * Gomer = Germany
 * Magog = Hungary

I carefully researched this, and determined that creationists do indeed make these claims, specifically
 * Meschech = Massechusetts (one of the tribes of Algonquians)
 * Magog = Magyar (the main ethnic group in hungary)

I also found the claim that
 * Javan = Japan

And repeatedly cited the source. I am at a loss to see why Codex views these as mischaracterisation, when Codex added them (except Javan=Japan) to an article themself.

I am further at a loss to see why Codex does not comprehend the connection between Nubia and Nimrod or Cush and the Sudan. Both of these are obvious from a fact I have repeatedly pointed out:
 * Kush is an ancient nation, attested in several documents, situated in the (north) Sudan. It was later Nubia.

--User talk:FDuffy 21:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I haven't even begun to discuss Cush/Kush/Nubia/Sudan on the discussion page yet. Don't worry, that's coming. Of course I realize that modern Sudan was first settled by Cush, but my point is that 'East Africa' is more appropriate. Let's not fill FeanorStar7's page with all this stuff; the only question that's relevant here that s/he can hopefully help with is: Yes or no, do Bittel and Javakhishvili (or for that matter, any documented source you can cite) really describe the inscriptions in Çalapverdi as mentioning "Jabal" / "Jubal", or do they not. ፈቃደ 22:07, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Your efforts


Hi there. It's been a while since we've worked together. I kinda lost steam on the EB1911 project after the biographies were done. But I feel you deserve a little something for your efforts and I want to let you know they are appreciated. Feel free to display it proudly on your user page. Anyway, cheers! --DanielCD 16:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Italics, etc.
Hi Feanorstar! Thanks for the copyedit; yes, I think you're right, a lot of the foreign terms should be italicised, and I don't often think to do it. It occurs to me that this is quite inconsistent within the music history articles, and although a rather large undertaking, making such things consistent probably ought to be done.

And by the way, I agree with the sentiments expressed above by Daniel, and I'm quite happy to see you are still editing here! Take care, Antandrus (talk) 04:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Predynastic Pharaohs
Hi,

I'm very interested in your sources on the articles you've created on Tiu (pharaoh), Thesh, Hsekiu, Wazner, as well as Iry-Hor. Can you please let me know where you found this info? Flyboy Will 19:22, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

A new userbox
Here's a new userbox I personalized for myself. Thought I'd share it as it's kinda funny.

--DanielCD 17:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Bach Portal
I think a Bach Portal is a pretty good idea. I don't know how to go about setting that up, but I'm willing to participate wherever possible. Micro tonal ... (Put your head on my shoulder) 03:25, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Limes Germanicus
This article could use a "FeanorStar7" touch if you are interested. I'm gonna try to get to it someday... Just FYI if you are interested; it's a direct 1911EB transfer. If you're not interested, just ignore this message. Take care. --DanielCD 22:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Early life of Joseph Smith
The article Early life of Joseph Smith, Jr./Stable is currently being proposed to be made a Stable version, this nomination is a test of the process detailed on that page. As you have edited that page recently, please review the stable version of the article and join the discussion at Talk:Early_life_of_Joseph_Smith%2C_Jr./Stable. dml 00:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

1911 articles
Many of the articles you have added recently are so outdated and incorrect I would not consider them appropriate for Wikipedia. The reason many of them had remained on the 1911 list for so long was because the 1911 articles were hopelessly outdated and someone needed to do research before a decent article could be created. It is generally better for Wikipedia to have no article on a subject than to have incorrect outdated information (especially given the tendancy information in Wikipedia has of propogating and spreading through the entire internet). As just one example, the article you created on Nusretabad contains 4 errors within just the first 6 words! I appreciate your desire to help with the 1911 project, but simply cutting and pasting from the 1911 article (without even checking to see if any of the content is valid) isn't very helpful to Wikipedia. I hope you are planning on revisting those articles to correct and update them. Otherwise I don't see the point of your effort. Kaldari 07:16, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Its modern spelling is Nosratabad, not Nusretabad
 * 2) It isn't the capital of anything anymore
 * 3) Persia is now Iran
 * 4) Seistan is now the province of Sistan and Baluchistan


 * Just to re-iterate what Kaldari said, it is very important not just to copy and paste 1911 articles without thinking because often the information is *very* wrong. I know it means we finish the 1911 project more slowly than we would otherwise do, but honestly 1 good article is much much better than 10 copy n pastes. Don't get me wrong I appreciate that you are a good editor trying to make WP better so this is supposed to be some gentle encouragement. Hope that's ok. Pcb21 Pete 08:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi there. Yeah some sort of tag or template that makes clear that is old information sounds like a great idea. Pcb21 Pete 12:25, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * That's fine (although I will go ahead and make the redirect for this particular example). In general, if there's a lot of these 1911 articles, it is probably worth making a specific tempate, say Template:Update from 1911 needed, that specifically says that the info is from EB 1911 and has not yet been updated. Pcb21 Pete 12:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Using the update template is fine. It would also be nice if the research that was compiled in the 1911 list were at least copied to the respective articles' talk pages so that it isn't lost. Some of those articles are going to be difficult scavenger hunts to update, so any extra information is useful. Kaldari 15:36, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Redlink verification
Hello there; I seem to be the only one working on getting the redlinks properly redirected on WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/1911 verification. You sounded interested; want to help? Alba 17:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

FeanorStar7 wrote: If you can tell me a quick way to do redirects, I can try to work on them.

Here's the process I've been following. You may decide for yourself if it's too much for you.


 * 1) Find the next redlink.
 * 2) Observe if it is an obvious typo or if the obvious name is nearby on the list. If so, redirect immediately.
 * For instance, on list A2, Agustin Moreto Y Cavana and Agustín Moreto y Cavana are obviously the same.
 * 1) If not, click on "1911" to search LoveToKnow. The exact title should have at least two hits: the page itself and its listing in the index.
 * 2) Check the page itself. Usually you'll find it a simple typo or an initialism of a complete name. You may not find the entry.
 * 3) If an initialism: do a Google Wikipedia search with the full name. You'll probably find the correct Wikipedia entry, in which case, redirect there.
 * 4) If a typo, don't redirect but simply note as a typo on the list and move on.
 * 5) If not found:
 * 6) Click forward and back a couple of pages -- it may simply be not copied over correctly by LoveToKnow's scanning software.
 * 7) If that fails, look at the LoveToKnow index -- again, it may be a typo.
 * 8) Look at entries on the page with multiple names; you may have a synonym on your hands.
 * 9) If all else fails, mark as "ambiguous" (i.e., needs more examination) and move on!

That's all there is to it! Alba 00:55, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Pharaohs
A long time ago (July 2005), you created stubs for several pre-dynastic pharaohs of ancient Egypt, before the uniting of the Upper and Lower Kingdoms, (Wazner, Thesh, etc.) These tiny stubs are unsourced, and I was wondering where the names had been mentioned. Thanks, Xoloz 20:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


 * A little digging reveals that the names originated with User:Obsidian in 2002 . He is, unfortunately, no longer an active WPian, so questioning him is probably of little use.  I would not support the removal of those articles at present; most information from the early wiki-days was not rigorously sourced, so it is right to WP:AGF, especially in the case of a prolific contributor.  I shall do my best to find the source the hard way, and if nothing can be found, then I will seek some remedy, which might include deletion as an extreme alternative.  Thanks for your time, and sorry to have troubled you.  Best wishes, Xoloz 17:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Jacob Rodrigues Péreire
Shalom FeanorStar7, something went wrong, when I tried to make a redirect from "Jacob Rodrigues Péreire" to "Jacob Rodrigues Pereira" - can you help me? His right name is Jacob Rodrigues Pereira, he was born in Peniche Portugal and only his sons took a "french(ized)" name. Thanks, --Sei Shonagon 04:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Saints Wikiproject
I noted that you have been contributing to articles about saints. I invite you to join the WikiProject Saints. You can sign up on the page and add the following userbox to your user page.

Thanks! --evrik 17:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Przedecz
You have spent more Wikitime on The Jewish community of Przedecz, Poland than user:Simonschaim did so you deserve a few words. I have a rooted dislike of people who do crude copy-and-pastes into Wikipedia - it always looks like idle self-promotion and in this case it was that to some extent. But the fact is that barring the paragraphs about his daughter's visit, it is a perfectly wikiworthy article.

Chaim Simons has given a copyright release on the talk page and I am prepared to accept it as genuine without seeking proof. So if you want to resurrect the article, I will support you.

I see an interesting parallel with a couple of articles I have noted recently: Lustleigh May Day and Lustleigh bells! Wikipedia probably does not have space for articles about every English May Day celebration and every English peal of bells but it certainly does have space for a few articles about typical examples of the genre. Likewise it probably does not (yet) have space for an article about the history of every Jewish community in every Polish town but it certainly needs an article about a typical example. I am not sure how best to link such "typical" articles. -- RHaworth 23:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Ancient Greek Wikisource
I understand from your userboxes you're interested in Ancient Greek. I've submitted a proposal to add an Ancient Greek Wikisource on Meta, and I'd be very grateful if you could assist me by either voting in Support of the proposal, or even adding your name as one of the contributors in the template. (NB: I'm posting this to a lot of people, so please reply to my talkpage or to Meta) --Nema Fakei 20:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Ajemian
Hi, great to see you chime in at Anahid Ajemian. I'm not familiar with the source you mention but do you think you could find similar information about Maro Ajemian? Or other individuals for whom we can't find birth/death dates? Badagnani 00:17, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

How wonderful. Does the general public have access to this database? If not, I hope you won't mind if I consult you from time to time. By the way, do you know Kevin LaVine in the Music Division? He's been helpful with my research. Badagnani 04:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

David Oei
Can you find info on David Oei? (Specifically birth date, nation of origin, and citizenship?) He's not a composer, but a pianist. Badagnani 22:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Last But Not Least
Hello FeanorStar7, I'm getting acquainted with and am thanking many valued participants who appear to cheerfully clean up my awkward edits. It's great comfort to have you watching and highly appreciated. Thank You. (Lunarian)

Willard Maas
Could you find dates for the experimental filmmaker Willard Maas? Badagnani 07:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

George Avakian
Here's another one for whom a birth date would be great. George Avakian. Thanks again, Badagnani 08:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion
Hello! I noticed that you have been a contributor to articles on Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion. You may be interested in checking out a new WikiProject - WikiProject Anglicanism. Please consider signing up and participating in this collaborative effort to improve and expand Anglican-related articles! Cheers! Fishhead64 22:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography July Newsletter
The July 2006 issue of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. plange 08:30, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Fisher Tull
Hi, think you could find the full middle name of Fisher A. Tull? Badagnani 05:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

You are great!!! Badagnani 16:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the Fisher Tull full middle name is extremely esoteric information, as it doesn't seem to appear anywhere (I'm not sure if the American Grove Dictionary has it). Dates for lesser-known musicians like David Oei and Maro Ajemian are great to have as well. Glad to have you as part of the Wikipedia community; the power of the information you have access to is great, because through this website it can enrich everyone with access to the Internet (except in China, where Wikipedia is banned!) :)  Badagnani 23:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Biography Newsletter August 2006
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Felipe Luciano
Can you help find a date and place of birth for the New York City-based Puerto Rican American poet Felipe Luciano? Badagnani 01:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Jazzy Jay
This one might be hard: need date and place of birth for DJ Jazzy Jay (Jayson Byas). Badagnani 01:17, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

1911 Britannica category
What happened was that User:R. Koot changed 1911 to use Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica (what an ugly name). I assume he's an administrator as that template is locked. I've written asking him if this was part of a larger systematic cleanup, and of course I can't revert it. The remaining articles you found are those whose editors used the 1911 Britannica category explicitly, so there's a fragmentation that needs to be fixed. David Brooks 02:16, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * He has replied: User talk:DavidBrooks. David Brooks 19:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Biography Newsletter September 2006
The September 2006 issue of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. plange 00:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Jan Vansina
Hi, can you find the date and place of birth of the ethnographer and historian Jan Vansina? Badagnani 00:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh boy!!! Badagnani 01:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Neva Pilgrim
Hi, can you find birthplace and date for Neva Pilgrim? Badagnani 01:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Paolo Pandolfo
Is there any chance you could find birthplace and date for Paolo Pandolfo? Badagnani 07:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Cales
I sow the voice you wrote about Cales. Someone changed the voice from city into an hero.

I've rolled it back

Greetings from Italy

Carlomorino

Diedre Murray
Hi, do you think you could find birthplace and birth date for the cellist Diedre Murray? Badagnani 08:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Kevin Klose
Hi, can you find the date and place of birth for Kevin Klose? Badagnani 09:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Marcus Rojas
Here's another one: can you find date of birth for the tuba player Marcus Rojas? Badagnani 06:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Matt Glaser
Thanks for Marcus Rojas info! Could you possibly find birth information for Matt Glaser? Badagnani 08:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Art Baron
And another one: Art Baron. Badagnani 08:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Jason Kao Hwang
One more: Jason Kao Hwang. Badagnani 09:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

David A. Yeagley
Thanks for adding information to the articles! Here's one more: David A. Yeagley. Badagnani 21:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Francisco Aguabella
Thanks for everything -- here is one with no birth year: Francisco Aguabella. Badagnani 06:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Tom Varner
Hi, can you find the birth city for Tom Varner? Badagnani 10:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Adam Plack
Hi, thanks for everything -- can you possibly find birth info for Adam Plack? Badagnani 05:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

James Makubuya
Here's a new one: James Makubuya. Badagnani 03:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Henry Sapoznik
Hi, can you find birth info for Henry Sapoznik? Badagnani 13:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Peter Zummo
And another one: Peter Zummo. Badagnani 14:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Kevin Burke
One more: Kevin Burke. Badagnani 23:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Charlene Teters
Thanks for birth info on those musicians! Here's an artist for whom we could use information: Charlene Teters. Badagnani 10:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Bob Carlin
Here's one more: Bob Carlin. Badagnani 10:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Some missing birth/death info
Hi, a new user has a "want list" of birth/death info. It's a handful of composers so whenever you have a chance, it would be great if you might be able to find something. Badagnani 03:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey there -- I'm the user Badagnani was referring to. Just wanted to let you know that I've updated a few things on my composer list using grovemusic.com, but there's still a lot of info that I can't seem to find right now. No pressure, though, just wanted you to know that I updated a little in case you were following... — Middlepedal 16:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Emi Wada
Could you possibly find an exact birth date for Emi Wada? Badagnani 05:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Yoshi Wada
Also, place and date of birth for the Japanese-born American composer/performer Yoshi Wada? Badagnani 05:30, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Palestinian rabbis
What does one make of the new Category:Palestinian rabbis and Category:Talmud rabbis in Palestine, should they be renamed to something like Category:Rabbis of ancient Palestine? so that it does not connect, and become confused with, the way the word "Palestinian" is used today (meaning the very unJewish modern Arab Palestinians, who have nothing to do with these rabbis!) Thanks. IZAK 09:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi: I have created a solution: See Category:Rabbis of the Land of Israel and Category:Talmud rabbis of the Land of Israel. Thank you. IZAK 14:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Not using "Palestine" or "Palestinian" for Talmud and rabbis to avoid confusion
Note: Many articles about the rabbis of the Talmud and Mishnah are derived from the archaic Jewish Encyclopedia, published between 1901-1906, over one hundred years ago (when the Middle East was still under the thumb of the Ottoman Turks) and which used the archaic expressions "Palestine" when referring to the Land of Israel, and to the Jews living in the areas of the historical Land of Israel as "Palestinians." This is a big mistake that requires constant attention and correction, especially when copying and editing articles from the Jewish Encyclopedia or from similarly archaic sources such as Easton's Bible Dictionary (1897). At this time, no-one uses the term/s "Palestinian/s" (in relation to anything associated with Jews or the land they lived in and which they regarded as their homeland) nor by any type of conventional Jewish scholarship, particularly at the present time when the label "Palestinian" is almost entirely identified with the Palestinian Arabs who are mostly Muslims. Finally, kindly take note that the name Palestinian Talmud is also not used and it redirects to the conventional term Jerusalem Talmud used in Jewish scholarship. Thank you. IZAK 13:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Not using "Palestine" or "Palestinian" for Talmud and rabbis
Makes sense, I'll try to remember. However, there was a period when everyone referred to the land of Israel as Palestine. Therefore, to say something like "in 1940 Shlomo Pines emigrated to Israel" would appear to be an anachronism. Don't we have to use the term "Palestine" during a certain period for historical accuracy? What is this period? From Roman conquest until 1948? Thanks. Dfass 15:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Dfass: Note: The term "Land of Israel" is an old one of Biblical origin, whereas the name "Palestine" is considered offensive by many Jews because it was coined by the Romans after they crushed the Jews of Judea-- and needless to say today it refers exclusively to the Arab Palestinians and never to Jews. Note also that the "Land of Israel" article is not the same as the "Israel" article because the latter refers to the modern post-1948 Jewish state. My main concern was about rabbis from the Mishnaic and Talmudic eras, up until about a hundred years ago being called "Palestinians" on Wikipedia as a follow-through from the many articles that have been copied and pasted from the old Jewish Encyclopedia and which collectively create the wrong impression. Such are the hazards of relying on dated information, long-discarded terminology, and unsuitable writing and communication styles. Wikipedia as a modern encyclopedia should not be relying on archaic terms such as "Palestinian rabbis" that could potentially cause grave misunderstanding. I think that from the time of the British Mandate of Palestine, also shortened to "the British Mandate" and sometimes "Palestine," that Jews were associated with those terms from 1923 until 1948 when the modern State of Israel was declared. I hope that you have noted that I am most definitely NOT saying that whenever the Jewish Encyclopedia uses the term "Palestine" that the single word "Israel" should be used -- obviously I do not mean that because when Israel is used alone on Wikipedia it refers to the MODERN State of Israel only. On the other hand, what I am saying is that when the word "Palestine" is used in archaic sources that predate modern Israel, and when writing about Judaic topics that relate to the Middle Ages, Talmudic, or Biblical times, then the better, more accurate, less controversial term for Wikipedia to use is "Land of Israel" which is historically what the Jewish people, and everyone else in academic life, have and do still call it. Hope I have clarified myself, and thanks for caring. IZAK 12:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I think I get the drift. I will pay attention to it in the future.  (Don't be so down on the Jewish Encyclopedia though!  It's an incredible work, written by some tremendous scholars.  I think these articles significantly raise the quality of Wikipedia, whether their English is somewhat archaic or not.  If you compare a JE-borrowed Wikipedia article to one written by "the masses," you can't but be struck by the difference in quality and scholarship.  The typical Jewish Wikipedian (myself included) is not capable of producing articles of anything like that caliber.  Most Wikipedians cannot even be bothered to cite the sources for the couple of factoids they manage to dredge up from their memory of 10th grade.)  Thanks again for the clarification. Dfass 15:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Dfass: I am not down on the old Jewish Encyclopedia at all, and I fully agree with you that it is a more than masterly work of scholarship. But is was written in the context of the culture of over a hundred years ago as a product of the nineteenth century! My specific concern at this stage was only about how the meaning and application of the word/s "Palestine" and "Palestinian" are getting "lost in the cut-and-paste process" because one hundred years ago, "Palestinian" was used as an academic adjective as for example, together with "rabbis" ("Palestinian rabbi/s") or the Talmud ("Palestinian Talmud"). Up until 1948 the words "Palestine" and "Palestinians" still had application/s to Jews because of the existaence of the British Mandate of Palestine until 1948 in the territories of historically Jewish Land of Israel. Since then, the name "Palestine" and "Palestinians" has shed any connection to Jews and the modern Jewish State of Israel which was set up in contradistinction to an Arab Palestine. Particularly since the rise of the PLO (the Palestine Liberation Organization), following the 1967 Six-Day War, the term and notion of "Palestine" and "Palestinians" has become thoroughly and exclusively connected with the Arab Palestinians to the point that no-one (not in politics, academics, the media, religion, etc) associates the name "Palestine" and "Palestinians" with the Jews or Judaism, so that it can safely be said that the notion of a "Palestinian Jew" is an archaic anachronistic discarded notion. So when cutting and pasting articles from the one hundred year old Jewish Encyclopedia, one should not fall into a "time warp trap" by blindly pasting articles from it without some sensible updates, and not to inadvertantly recreate and foster terminology for Jews and Jewish Israelis that neither they nor the world accepts or recognizes. One needs to be conscious that the term "Land of Israel" is a well-established name that has survived for a long time and is still the preferred term of choice when speaking in modern terms, so that Jews not be confused with Arabs and vice versa. By speaking of the Category:Rabbis of the Land of Israel, meaning rabbis (or any Jews) associated with a historic geographic area, one also avoids problems such as calling pre-1948 rabbis or people "Israelites" -- used only for people in the Biblical era or "Israelis" -- which refers to citizens of the modern State of Israel. Thanks for your input. IZAK 07:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Anne LeBaron
Hi, thanks for recent bio adds. Can you possibly find birth date for Anne LeBaron? Thanks, as always, Badagnani 11:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Please use edit summaries
Hello. Please be courteous to other editors and use edit summaries when updating articles. The Mathbot tool shows your usage of edit summaries to be low:


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Jon Alpert
Hi, can you find birth info for the reporter and filmmaker Jon Alpert? Badagnani 15:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Carol Plantamura
Hi, can you find birth info for Carol Plantamura? Badagnani 10:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Bertice Berry
Hello, could you find the exact birthplace and birth date of Bertice Berry? Badagnani 04:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Lee Pui Ming
Hi, can you find an exact birthdate for Lee Pui Ming? Badagnani 23:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Ajemians
Hmm, some new editor has just added different birth years for Maro Ajemian and Anahid Ajemian. Is it possible that some birth dates in the LC auth. file are incorrect? Badagnani 17:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I get the sense that the anon knows what s/he is talking about, as the Maro Ajemian birth date agrees with the age she died. I've written to him/her to ask how s/he knows this information, so I'll let you know. Sure, if you can find birth info on the Ajemians elsewhere that would be great. Badagnani 17:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Susana Baca
Can you find exact birth info for Susana Baca? Badagnani 19:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Categories and birth year precision
Regarding your changes to pages such as Grenville Goodwin, Jean Martineau, Hector McKinnon... do not use exact birth year categories when the birth year cannot be precisely determined. For example, Grenville Goodwin died aged 53 on 28 August 1951 does not automatically mean an 1898 birth. The birth year could have been 1897 if he was born after 28 August 1897, making your category change incorrect. These should be left as less precise birth year categories until the exact year can be verified. Dl2000 21:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Fred Ho
Hi, can you find the exact birth date for Fred Ho? Badagnani 19:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Greg Banaszak
Thanks for Fred Ho info; can you find birthplace and date for Greg Banaszak? Badagnani 03:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Spencer Wells
Hi, can you find the birthplace of Spencer Wells? Badagnani 08:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Foday Musa Suso
Do you think you could find the birth date for Foday Musa Suso? Badagnani 09:39, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for categorization work
Thanks for doing all that categorization work on the Jewish biographical articles. If the Wiki people ever get around to implementing some kind of ontology tools, having categories will be hugely helpful. —Dfass 17:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Helping out with the Unassessed Wikipedia Biographies
Seeing that you are an active member of the WikiBiography Project, I was wondering if you would help lend a hand in helping us clear out the amount of unassessed articles tagged with. Many of them are of stub and start class, but a few are of B or A caliber. Getting a simple assessment rating can help us start moving many of these biographies to a higher quality article. Thank you! --Ozgod 20:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Biography March 2007 Newsletter
The March 2007 issue of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Mocko13 22:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Willard Rhodes
Hi, can you find birth and death info for Willard Rhodes? Badagnani 02:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Ida Halpern
Can you find birth and death specifics for Ida Halpern? Badagnani 02:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

David Behrman
Hi, could you verify birth info for David Behrman? Badagnani 08:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Jewish Encyclopedia Category
I had not seen it. Thanks for letting me know. I threw in my 2 cents for keep, although I was never completely thrilled with the category myself. I still think there is enough value to keep it, especially when there is not a good reason given in favor of deletion. —Dfass 02:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Alan Greenberg (film director)
Hi, is there any chance you could find info about Alan Greenberg (film director)? Badagnani 00:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

John Davison (composer)
Could you find birth and death information for John Davison (composer)? Badagnani 00:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Alan Feinberg
One more: Alan Feinberg (a pianist from New York). Badagnani 01:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Linda Stein (artist)
Any possibility to find birth info for Linda Stein (artist)? Badagnani 05:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Lenny Pickett
Here's another one: the saxophonist Lenny Pickett. Badagnani 09:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Archimedes
The Latin word Circa is abbreviated as c. in the article as this is the most common form.--Ianmacm 13:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

George Carlo
Could you possibly find birth info about George Carlo/George L. Carlo/George Louis Carlo? Badagnani 08:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Great work! Thank you! Badagnani 09:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The WikiProject Biography Newsletter: Issue II - April 2007
The April 2007 issue of the WikiProject Biography newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you BetacommandBot 18:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Victor A. Marcial-Vega
Hi, could you find birth info for Victor A. Marcial-Vega? Badagnani 19:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Sarah Chayes
Could you find birth info for Sarah Chayes? Badagnani 23:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Yohannes Haile-Selassie
Here's another one for which we need birth info: the paleoanthropologist Yohannes Haile-Selassie. Badagnani 03:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Layne Redmond
Hi, could you find birth info for Layne Redmond? Badagnani 02:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Bruno Nettl
Hi, do you think you could find birth info for Bruno Nettl? Badagnani 22:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Klaus Wachsmann
Thanks for Nettl info; here's another ethnomusicologist for whom we need birth info: Klaus Wachsmann. Badagnani 06:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Rudy Maxa
Hi, can you find birth info for Rudy Maxa? Badagnani 19:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Han Kuo-Huang
Here's another one: Han Kuo-Huang. Badagnani 06:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

John Diercks
One more: John Diercks. Badagnani 06:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Al-Kindi
What was this about? Years shouldn't be linked like this (see the MoS), and "Muslim scholar" isn't a region. Moreover, this wasn't a minor edit as you marked it, and you gave no edit summary. --Mel Etitis ( Talk ) 13:56, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If other articles think that "Muslim scholar" is a region, then either they should be corrected or the template should be reworded. Are there any others, aside from the one that you mentioned? Incidentally, something that you might like to work on is the adding of Julian/Gregorian-calendar dates to articles that use only "AH"; the MoS says "You can give dates in any appropriate calendar, as long as you also give the date in either the Julian or Gregorian calendar [...] For example, an article on the early history of Islam may give dates in both the Islamic calendar and the Julian calendar" &mdash; see Manual of Style (dates and numbers).


 * The linking of years not especially relevant to the article is deprecated in a number of places, (most clearly at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (links), and is essentially ruled out by the general MoS guuidance as to when to add links. The MoS is, unfortunately, not always clear, and parts of it are in tension with other parts.  I'm currently trying to get some consistency in place. --Mel Etitis  ( Talk ) 12:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Haleh Esfandiari
Can you find birth info for Haleh Esfandiari? Badagnani 21:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

James M. Adovasio
Thanks for Esfandiari; here's a new one: James M. Adovasio. Badagnani 01:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Paul Hawken
Hi, thanks for Adovasio; can you find info on Paul Hawken? Badagnani 07:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Karine Saporta
Hi, can you find exact birth date for the French choreographer Karine Saporta? Badagnani 08:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Glen Velez
Hi, can you find birth info for Glen Velez? Badagnani 18:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive
 WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive! WikiProject Biography is holding a three month long assessment drive! The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unassessed articles. The drive is running from June 1, 2007 – September 1, 2007.

Awards to be won range from delicacies such as the WikiCookie to the great Golden Wiki Award. There are over 110,000 articles to assess so please visit the drive's page and help out!

This drive was conceived of and organized by Psychless with the help of Ozgod. Regards,  Psych less Type  words! .

Bruce Langhorne
Hi, could you possibly find birth info for Bruce Langhorne? Badagnani 02:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

John Perkins
Can you find birth information for John Perkins? Badagnani 12:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Harry Manx
Hi, thanks for finding the info on the previous; could you find birth year for Harry Manx? Badagnani 06:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Bruce Molsky
Hi, can you find the exact birth date for Bruce Molsky? Badagnani 06:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Sumarsam
Can you find exact birth info on Sumarsam? Badagnani 06:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Betty Freeman
Hi, can you find birth info for Betty Freeman? Thanks, Badagnani 17:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Harold Bloom
Hi, can you find exact birth info for Harold Bloom? Badagnani 22:19, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Scott Corbett
Here's a new one: the author Scott Corbett. Badagnani 05:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Elizabeth Falconer
Hi, can you find birth info for Elizabeth Falconer? Badagnani 04:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Jeff Greenfield
Can you find birth info for Jeff Greenfield? Badagnani 05:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Cacciaguida
If the birth/death dates are unsure, we prefere not to link them. Also, the correspondent cat should be, say "1140s births" etc. anyway thanks for the style corrections. Good work!!! --Attilios 14:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ciao! Thanks for remark. It can be OK for the starting paragraph; that's just a matter of style. But, I think that page is not updated about the existence of "1450s births" categories: otherwise, which would be the difference when the year is known or just approximate? If you check, most biographies with approximate date are categorized this way. Good work again! --Attilios 14:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Service award


Just to let you know, you qualify for this. This award is based strictly on your time on Wikipedia and edit count. You're the most senior editor I've given one of these out to so far. Congrats! -- Broken Sphere 19:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Amy X Neuburg
Hi, congratulations on your award--you deserve it! Can you find a birth date for Amy X Neuburg? Badagnani 02:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

DC Meetup notice
Greetings. There is going to be a Washington DC Wikipedia meetup on next Saturday, July 21st at 5pm in DC. Since you are listed in Category:Wikipedians_in_Maryland, I thought I'd invite you to come. I'm sorry about the short notice for the meeting. Hopefully we'll do somewhat better in that regard next time. If you can't come but want to make sure that you are informed of future meetings be sure to list yourself under "but let me know about future events", and if you don't want to get any future direct notices \(like this one\), you can list yourself under "I'm not interested in attending any others either" on the DC meetup page.--Gmaxwell 00:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Ben Belitt
Hi, could you find exact birth info for Ben Belitt? Badagnani 18:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Vang Pao
Could you find exact birth info for Vang Pao? Badagnani 02:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Kitty Brazelton
Hi, can you find exact birth name, place, and date for Kitty Brazelton? Badagnani 02:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Alan Abel
Can you find exact birth info for Alan Abel? Badagnani 05:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Bernard Goldberg
Can you find birth info for Bernard Goldberg? Badagnani 00:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

End of WP:Bio assessment drive
I have reraised the issue (see towards the bottom) as to whether assessors should receive all the awards they qualify for or only the highest one. Your input is appreciated. Broken Sphere Msg me 18:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Curtis Willkie
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Link to years
We no longer link years--only full dates, such as January 1, 2007. --Thus Spake Anittas 10:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems that there is no consensus on linking to years. I thought there was, but that only applies to day and month. Sorry. --Thus Spake Anittas 11:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

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Ashikaga shogunate
It's not that you were wrong -- just not right, I suspect? Or perhaps I should suggest that your edit might not have been a needed improvement?

Maybe it's enough for me to explain that I didn't understand your recent category edit for Ashikaga Yoshiaki? If you were entirely correct in your view, I would have thought it necessary to metastasize this change throughout the serial heads of the Ashikaga shogunate:
 * 1. Ashikaga Takauji (1305–1358) (r. 1338–1358)
 * 2. Ashikaga Yoshiakira (1330–1368) (r. 1359–1368)
 * 3. Ashikaga Yoshimitsu (1358–1408) (r. 1368–1394)
 * 4. Ashikaga Yoshimochi (1386–1428) (r. 1395–1423)
 * 5. Ashikaga Yoshikazu (1407–1425) (r. 1423–1425)
 * 6. Ashikaga Yoshinori (1394–1441) (r. 1429–1441)
 * 7. Ashikaga Yoshikatsu (1434–1443) (r. 1442–1443)
 * 8. Ashikaga Yoshimasa (1436–1490) (r. 1449–1473)
 * 9. Ashikaga Yoshihisa (1465–1489) (r. 1474–1489)
 * 10. Ashikaga Yoshitane (1466–1523) (r. 1490–1493, 1508–1521)
 * 11. Ashikaga Yoshizumi (1480–1511) (r. 1495–1508)
 * 12. Ashikaga Yoshiharu (1510–1550) (r. 1522–1547)
 * 13. Ashikaga Yoshiteru (1536–1565) (r. 1547–1565)
 * 14. Ashikaga Yoshihide (1540–1568) (r. 1568)
 * 15. Ashikaga Yoshiaki (1537–1597) (r. 1568–1573)

Yes, Ashikaga is a family name, but so is Tokugawa ... which would mean that a similar change would need to be accomplished for the heads of the Tokugawa shogunate ...?
 * 1. Tokugawa Ieyasu (徳川家康, 1543–1616) (ruled 1603–1605)
 * 2. Tokugawa Hidetada (徳川秀忠, 1579–1632) (r. 1605–1623)
 * 3. Tokugawa Iemitsu (徳川家光, 1604–1651) (r. 1623–1651)
 * 4. Tokugawa Ietsuna (徳川家綱, 1641–1680) (r. 1651–1680)
 * 5. Tokugawa Tsunayoshi (徳川綱吉, 1646–1709) (r. 1680–1709)
 * 6. Tokugawa Ienobu (徳川家宣, 1662–1712) (r. 1709–1712)
 * 7. Tokugawa Ietsugu (徳川家継, 1709–1716) (r. 1713–1716)
 * 8. Tokugawa Yoshimune (徳川吉宗, 1684–1751) (r. 1716–1745)
 * 9. Tokugawa Ieshige (徳川家重, 1711–1761) (r. 1745–1760)
 * 10. Tokugawa Ieharu (徳川家治, 1737–1786) (r. 1760–1786)
 * 11. Tokugawa Ienari (徳川家斉, 1773–1841) (r. 1787–1837)
 * 12. Tokugawa Ieyoshi (徳川家慶, 1793–1853) (r. 1837–1853)
 * 13. Tokugawa Iesada (徳川家定, 1824–1858) (r. 1853–1858)
 * 14. Tokugawa Iemochi (家茂, 1846–1866) (r. 1858–1866)
 * 15. Tokugawa Yoshinobu (徳川慶喜, 1837–1913) (r. 1867–1868)

Was this your intention?

In both cases, the family name is understood more broadly as a descriptive modifier. I wonder if this helps clarify my revert? If what I've done is a mistake, this will help you better understand a part of the reasoning which informs my error. --Ooperhoofd 19:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Van Hansis
You can always revert my edits - it's not going to bother me. The reason I reverted your edit is because the formatting was incorrect. I should have taken the time to correct the format instead of the reversion, but I don't ever use 'sort' tags. Can you link me to the template page, so I can see what these things to? Feel free to re-add. the_undertow talk  21:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Jusepe de Ribera
Please don't make erroneous changes like this without raising the matter on the talk page first; thank you. Johnbod (talk) 07:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Antipope Innocent III
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