User talk:Femarteditor

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Use of external links in Ferris Olin
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! I am the editor that created the article on Ferris Olin some time ago. I have noticed that you have added an enormous amount of embedded, inline external links to the article. As noted in my edit summary (before you re-added them again) this is an incorrect approach to adding references. External links to websites outside of WP should not be used in this way. These should be removed and if appropriate, converted into properly formatted citations. Thank you for your interest in WP and in Olin. If you have questions, you can ping me on the article talk page, or my user talk page, or ask at the WP:TEAHOUSE. I also noticed that the image you added does not have proper copyright information, or release of copyright information by the publication where it appeared. Netherzone (talk) 16:56, 24 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I am following the formatting options available for posting information about a subject. Most of the information I've researched over the last year is web-based. It would be helpful if you would indicate the problematic citations so i can fix them. i have been working to expand this entry for a long time, and have verified all the information included. Please provide more details. Thank you Femarteditor (talk) 17:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my earlier message. i am new to this. I figured out what you meant and have fixed the links and added a list.
 * I will be adding more information in the coming days.
 * Thank you for your help Femarteditor (talk) 18:56, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello @Femarteditor, citations must verify the content. Verifiability is is key policy for contributing to the encyclopedia, see WP:V for more information. So all content in a biography of living persons must be properly sourced to verifiable, independent reliable sources, otherwise it should be deleted. The reason for this is that anyone could write anything about anybody with out these standards/guidelines/policies. This is how the integrity of the encyclopedia is maintained. It is essential that each claim or fact in the article must be backed up by the reference.
 * Thank you for removing the inline external links that were previously in the body of the article text, glad to hear you figured that out. However, there are now too many External links in the section you added called External References (which should be named "External links" and placed after the References section, not before, and it should only include 2 or 3 of the most important links. Usually, an EL section contains a link to the person's personal website, and one or two more links that contain a significant amount of information about the person that is not already in the article. For example, a high quality video interview, an online essay about the person and their work, or a link to their organization if relevant. It should not contain everything that the person is or was associated with.
 * If there is a WP article about any of the things you listed in the current External References, those should be added as a separate section, called "See also" - and these should be formatted as a bulleted list of internal links to the associated WP articles. The WP Manual of Style states that the section should be placed before the References section, and be limited to a reasonable number (I usually limit these to 3 to 5 total).
 * There's a lot to learn here, and it's taken me years and I am still learning! I don't have the time right now to do an in-depth review of the article, as I'm traveling for the next few days, but don't hesitate to ask me questions as they arise. I am happy to help you learn if that is of interest. Please don't forget to "ping" me here or on the article talk page if you have questions. (See WP:PING if you are unfamiliar with how notifications to other editors work.) Best regards, Netherzone (talk) 19:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your message!
 * This is very helpful.
 * I have followed that standard of verifiable citations. In general, I think it is problem that most of the citations are websites.
 * I will adjust the external links list and prioritize the most meaningful items.
 * I appreciate the time you have taken to help me out.
 * Best, Femarteditor (talk) 15:16, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello again, I'm sitting in the airport doing a little clean up on the article before my plane departs. Firstly, thank you for your contributions and improvements to Ferris Olin. I've removed two maintenance tags (External Links, and Lead too long), and added a couple more. The article has the tone now of a resume, which is not how a biographic encyclopedia article should read. It should highlight only the most important aspects of a person's career accomplishments, not everything they have ever done. So some trimming would be in order to clean up excessive details and examples. Also encyclopedia articles tend to be concise and to the point - written in as strait-forward (and dry, neutral) language as possible. It's a different style than say a profile of a person in the New Yorker.


 * I removed the WordPress blog from External links, as it was "redlisted" by Headbomb/unreliable detection tool. Wikipedia's WP:RSP guidelines states that: WordPress.com is a blog hosting service that runs on the WordPress software. As a self-published source, it is considered generally unreliable and should be avoided unless the author is a subject-matter expert or the blog is used for uncontroversial self-descriptions. WordPress.com should never be used for claims related to living persons; this includes interviews, as even those cannot be authenticated. Generally, we don't use blogs or user-submitted content because there is seldom rigorous editorial oversight. That also goes for things like social media, LinkedIn, Imdb, and the like. As I find time I'll continue with reviewing and leave you notes if you find that helpful.


 * I am also wondering about the unsourced content. Where is this information and content coming from?
 * Thanks and best, Netherzone (talk) 18:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this help!
 * And for the clean up!
 * I will look at your edits and the notes on the unsourced to see where I found it.
 * Best,
 * Julia Femarteditor (talk) 14:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I only went through the education section and the first paragraph of the Career Overview. The rest of the article still needs trimming. Think about including only the most important accomplishments and events.
 * She's awesome, and made so many contributions throughout her lifetime that opened doors for women artists! But you already know that! Netherzone (talk) 15:18, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind words and encouragement! Femarteditor (talk) 17:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Netherzone.
 * I wonder if you can look over Ferris Olin's page again for me. I have tried to edit and condense the information. I feel the idea of irrelevant iinformation to be troubling when dealing with the records of women.
 * Any suggestions are welcome.
 * Thank you in advance. Femarteditor (talk) 13:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello! The article looks excellent overall, it's clear, informative and neutrally written. I just did a super quick scan and here are a couple suggestions:
 * 1. The lead section should be longer, a short paragraph or two, that summarizes a few key accomplishments - what makes here notable. Here is the WP guidance on lead sections: WP:LEAD. The lead does not need to have any citations, as long as the information presented in it is covered in the body of the article and is cited there.
 * 2. The body of the article contains six paragraphs that do not have citations. Each paragraph (actually each "claim or fact" should have an inline citation) but do make sure that each paragraph has a reference at the end to back up the content. You can reuse relevant citations by creating "ref names" for them. See WP:REFNAME. When I create a ref name I usually will either use the last name of the author if a newspaper, magazine or book is used as the source. Or the initials of the publication, such as "NYT-8 April 2024". If you have the time there's lots of info at these two links: WP:FOOTNOTES and WP:CITE.
 * You might want to consider joining WikiProject Women in Red, if you are not already a member WP:Women in Red. It's a wonderful group of editors devoted to creating and improving WP articles on women. There is also WikiProject Women artists that may interest you. It's found here: WP:WOMENART
 * I've got some personal matters to take care of over the next 2 or 3 weeks, so my time online may be limited. If you have other questions, don't hesitate to ping me again in a couple weeks, or if your questions are urgent or technical, ask at the Helpdesk WP:HELPDESK or for more general questions the Teahouse WP:TEAHOUSE. You can also always post a question or message to the Women in Red talk page, the editors there are extremely knowledgeable, their talk page is here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red
 * Thank you so much for your contributions to Wikipedia and for improving this article on an important woman leader in art and art history. Great work!! Netherzone (talk) 14:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! after I get this finished I will check out Women in Red. Femarteditor (talk) 20:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)