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Administrators' newsletter – April 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2018). Administrator changes
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Guideline and policy news
 * Administrators who have been desysopped due to inactivity are now required to have performed at least one (logged) administrative action in the past 5 years in order to qualify for a resysop without going through a new RfA.
 * Editors who have been found to have engaged in sockpuppetry on at least two occasions after an initial indefinite block, for whatever reason, are now automatically considered banned by the community without the need to start a ban discussion.
 * The notability guideline for organizations and companies has been substantially rewritten following the closure of this request for comment. Among the changes, the guideline more clearly defines the sourcing requirements needed for organizations and companies to be considered notable.
 * The six-month autoconfirmed article creation trial (ACTRIAL) ended on 14 March 2018. The post-trial research report has been published. A request for comment is now underway to determine whether the restrictions from ACTRIAL should be implemented permanently.

Technical news
 * There will soon be a calendar widget at Special:Block, making it easier to set expiries for a specific date and time.

Arbitration
 * The Arbitration Committee is considering a change to the discretionary sanctions procedures which would require an editor to appeal a sanction to the community at WP:AE or WP:AN prior to appealing directly to the Arbitration Committee at WP:ARCA.

Miscellaneous
 * A discussion has closed which concluded that administrators are not required to enable email, though many editors suggested doing so as a matter of best practice.
 * The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team has released the Interaction Timeline. This shows a chronologic history for two users on pages where they have both made edits, which may be helpful in identifying sockpuppetry and investigating editing disputes.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:23, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

2018 AFC Champions League

 * Can you put a 15-day semi-protection on 2018 AFC Champions League because some IP repeatly violate WP:NOTSTATS and against talk page discussion, thank you. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 10:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Its only happened twice so let's see if they are persistent before protecting the article. Fenix down (talk) 14:47, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No! It has been three times:

Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 15:16, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) from 7:10 to 7:13, 4 April
 * 2) from 14:54 to 14:57, 3 April
 * 3) from 5:50 to 6:34, 3 April

Need assistance
Hi, need some help with this IP:124.83.28.27, continuously vandalizing an article, already left three messages on the talk page. Feels like I'm on an edit war. Thanks is advance – Rick (talk) 10:23, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Already blocked by . Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 11:10, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * and – thank you very much. Rick (talk) 12:13, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

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WP:GNG - Ante Bakmaz
Hi Fenix down,

As the author of this article, I have taken notice of your concerns regarding it. Seeing as it was still in the early stages of writing at the time, I would like to check with you whether some of those concerns have since been addressed.

As the Maltese, Latvian and Lithuanian leagues are not listed on Wikipedia's list of fully professional leagues, there is little that can be changed there.

However, in reference to your comments surrounding WP:GNG ("Although there are a number of references, I agree with the analysis above that they are routine reports that do not discuss the player in any real depth"), I have since added a number of additional resources that discuss the player's contribution in contexts outside of the typical 'routine reports' etc. Do you see these sources as enough to satisfy WP:GNG? If not, what else could be added to satisfy the criteria in your opinion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stankovic10 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

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About the Whitecaps FC being a phoenix club
Hey Fenix down,

There is proof on the Whitecaps YouTube TV site that it is a phoenix club. The image below shows it.

Thank you for your understanding Jwc30 (talk) 04:27, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That covers the present club not any other. Could you please add it as a reference? Fenix down (talk) 06:07, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2018). Administrator changes
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Guideline and policy news
 * The ability to create articles directly in mainspace is now indefinitely restricted to autoconfirmed users.
 * A proposal is being discussed which would create a new "event coordinator" right that would allow users to temporarily add the "confirmed" flag to new user accounts and to create many new user accounts without being hindered by a rate limit.

Technical news
 * AbuseFilter has received numerous improvements, including an OOUI overhaul, syntax highlighting, ability to search existing filters, and a few new functions. In particular, the search feature can be used to ensure there aren't existing filters for what you need, and the new  function can be used when checking multiple namespaces. One major upcoming change is the ability to see which filters are the slowest. This information is currently only available to those with access to Logstash.
 * When blocking anonymous users, a cookie will be applied that reloads the block if the user changes their IP. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. This currently only occurs when hard-blocking accounts.
 * The block notice shown on mobile will soon be more informative and point users to a help page on how to request an unblock, just as it currently does on desktop.
 * There will soon be a calendar widget at Special:Block, making it easier to set expiries for a specific date and time.

Arbitration
 * The Arbitration Committee is seeking additional clerks to help with the arbitration process.

Obituaries
 * (Craig Franklin) passed away in mid-April. Lankiveil joined Wikipedia on 12 August 2004 and became an administrator on 31 August 2008. During his time with the Wikimedia community, Lankiveil served as an oversighter for the English Wikipedia and as president of Wikimedia Australia.

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Administrators' newsletter – June 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2018). Administrator changes
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 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Al Ameer son • AliveFreeHappy • Cenarium • Lupo • MichaelBillington

Guideline and policy news
 * Following a successful request for comment, administrators are now able to add and remove editors to the "event coordinator" group. Users in the event coordinator group have the ability to temporarily add the "confirmed" flag to new user accounts and to create many new user accounts without being hindered by a rate limit. Users will no longer need to be in the "account creator" group if they are in the event coordinator group.
 * Following an AN discussion, all pages with content related to blockchain and cryptocurrencies, broadly construed, are now under indefinite general sanctions.

Technical news
 * IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in June. This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.
 * The Wikimedia Foundation's Anti-Harassment Tools team will build granular types of blocks in 2018 (e.g. a block from uploading or editing specific pages, categories, or namespaces, as opposed to a full-site block). Feedback on the concept may be left at the talk page.
 * There is now a checkbox on Special:ListUsers to let you see only users in temporary user groups.
 * It is now easier for blocked mobile users to see why they were blocked.

Arbitration
 * A recent technical issue with the Arbitration Committee's spam filter inadvertently caused all messages sent to the committee through Wikipedia (i.e. Special:EmailUser/Arbitration Committee) to be discarded. If you attempted to send an email to the Arbitration Committee via Wikipedia between May 16 and May 31, your message was not received and you are encouraged to resend it. Messages sent outside of these dates or directly to the Arbitration Committee email address were not affected by this issue.

Miscellaneous
 * In early May, an unusually high level of failed login attempts was observed. The WMF has stated that this was an "external effort to gain unauthorized access to random accounts". Under Wikipedia policy, administrators are required to have strong passwords. To further reinforce security, administrators should also consider enabling two-factor authentication. A committed identity can be used to verify that you are the true account owner in the event that your account is compromised and/or you are unable to log in.

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Latin help
Hi, thanks so much for all your contributions!

I have created a personal user award to recognize contributions related to ancient Roman history, which I have dubbed "The Barnstar of Tacitus". Could you check my translation: "stella horreorum Taciti"? Thanks. Informata ob Iniquitatum (talk) 22:26, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

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Attribution and deleted content
While I don't particularly care if you want to restore a G5 from a global lock on sight LTA (and no, it wasn't a pointless bureaucratic deletion, can tell you why we delete stuff from Brunodam better than I can), by restoring Small Maracanazo the way you did you created an inadvertent copyright violation since none of the attribution from the original article was viewable and it presented the article as entirely your work. I've G6'd it and restored the history without the recreation edit to cure the attribution problem. I'd also appreciate it that you not restore any G5 I make without talking to me first in the future. I would have been happy to restore this one, and it would have stopped the history from having been so mangled because of the copyright issue. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:37, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, the talk page needed to be restored for attribution from the other Wikipedia's where it was translated from, I've gone ahead and done that. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:40, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

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Al-Mosul FC
Hi Fenix down, a few months ago you protected the page Al-Mosul FC because an IP kept removing the club's logo from the page without providing any source that this was no longer the club's logo. Well, the protection has run out and the IP has returned and keeps removing the logo. I hope you will protect it again, thanks, Hashim-afc (talk) 12:44, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2018). Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Pbsouthwood • TheSandDoctor
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Gogo Dodo
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Andrevan • Doug • EVula • KaisaL • Tony Fox • WilyD

Bureaucrat changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Andrevan • EVula

Guideline and policy news
 * An RfC about the deletion of drafts closed with a consensus to change the wording of WP:NMFD. Specifically, a draft that has been repeatedly resubmitted and declined at AfC without any substantial improvement may be deleted at MfD if consensus determines that it is unlikely to ever meet the requirements for mainspace and it otherwise meets one of the reasons for deletion outlined in the deletion policy.
 * A request for comment closed with a consensus that the promising draft template cannot be used to indefinitely prevent a WP:G13 speedy deletion nomination.

Technical news
 * Starting on July 9, the WMF Security team, Trust & Safety, and the broader technical community will be seeking input on an upcoming change that will restrict editing of site-wide JavaScript and CSS to a new technical administrators user group. Bureaucrats and stewards will be able to grant this right per a community-defined process. The intention is to reduce the number of accounts who can edit frontend code to those who actually need to, which in turn lessens the risk of malicious code being added that compromises the security and privacy of everyone who accesses Wikipedia. For more information, please review the FAQ.
 * Syntax highlighting has been graduated from a Beta feature on the English Wikipedia. To enable this feature, click the highlighter icon (Codemirror-icon.png) in your editing toolbar (or under the hamburger menu in the 2017 wikitext editor). This feature can help prevent you from making mistakes when editing complex templates.
 * IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in July (previously scheduled for June). This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.

Miscellaneous
 * Currently around 20% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 17% a year ago. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless if you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.

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The Signpost: 31 July 2018
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Emile Smith Rowe AfD
Hey Fenix, just to let you know that you !voted twice at Articles for deletion/Emile Smith Rowe. JMHamo (talk) 09:42, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate, fforgot about that, have removed the second vote. Fenix down (talk) 15:29, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2018). Administrator changes
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 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg KaisaL • Ymblanter

Guideline and policy news
 * After a discussion at Meta, a new user group called "interface administrators" (formerly "technical administrator") has been created. Come the end of August, interface admins will be the only users able to edit site-wide JavaScript and CSS pages like MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:Common.css, or edit other user's personal JavaScript and CSS. The intention is to improve security and privacy by reducing the number of accounts which could be used to compromise the site or another user's account through malicious code. The new user group can be assigned and revoked by bureaucrats. Discussion is ongoing to establish details for implementing the group on the English Wikipedia.
 * Following a request for comment, the WP:SISTER style guideline now states that in the mainspace, interwiki links to Wikinews should only be made as per the external links guideline. This generally means that within the body of an article, you should not link to Wikinews about a particular event that is only a part of the larger topic. Wikinews links in "external links" sections can be used where helpful, but not automatically if an equivalent article from a reliable news outlet could be linked in the same manner.

Technical news
 * The WMF Anti-Harassment Tools team is seeking input on the second set of wireframes for the Special:Block redesign that will introduce partial blocks. The new functionality will allow you to block a user from editing a specific set of pages, pages in a category, a namespace, and for specific actions such as moving pages and uploading files.

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Football in Australia
Thank you for your edits there. I really didn't want to be forced to say any more. While your words were no doubt intended to be diplomatic, I'm fairly sure Skyring doesn't need reminding of policy. He knows it very well, and hates it. It will be interesting to see his reaction. HiLo48 (talk) 08:21, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm going to be positive and hope that it is clear. It's a guideline, if there is continuing editing against consensus then I'll take further action if necessary. Let me know if you see any instances where further warnings need to be given or pages protected, I don't want any edit wars arising from this! :P Fenix down (talk) 12:00, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * HiLo is mistaken. I don't hate anything or anyone. What I disapprove of is editing behaviour that is aimed at personalities rather than cooperation. See this recent discussion by way of example. And this gem referenced there.


 * On the subject of football and naming conventions, consensus can change, and it looks like it's time to have another look at this topic. Trying to shut down any discussion by claiming that there's no support for football is a poor tactic, and it's far better to address any movement in that direction honestly and openly. Without personal attacks, please. --Pete (talk) 16:19, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It can indeed but that is done through discussion, not unilaterally editing against guidelines. That's all I'm really interested in here. Fenix down (talk) 19:38, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * "Unilaterally"???? --Pete (talk) 21:07, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * See here for a way forward. --Pete (talk) 01:55, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yet still you continue to edit against the guideline. Hopefully you will now stop until the point that consensus has changed, if it indeed does. Fenix down (talk) 06:04, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I suggest you check the times of edits before engaging in the very activity you condemn in others. I'm looking for light, rather than heat. Yes, some recent edits have been a little pointy, but, well, that's the point. As noted in the link above, we're seeing disruptive edits every couple of days on football-related articles, and I'm not seeing a real lot of useful responses to this. A series of different football fans come along to our encyclopaedia, see that the name of their sport - which was officially changed in 2005, thirteen years ago is still referred to here under the old name, they change it, and then get yelled at and threatened for doing what they see as the right thing. How do you think they feel for seeing their good faith edits reverted to something that is laughably incorrect?
 * Nobody has yelled at or threatened anyone. An edit that changes text to conform with policy cannot be incorrect. HiLo48 (talk) 08:42, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * That's every two days as far back as you want to go, and I suggest it will keep on happening every two days until we can deal with the problem. Don't yell at me, buddy, I'm just the messenger here. --Pete (talk) 06:46, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't find correcting the name of the round ball game much of a chore at all. Your concern on that front is misplaced. HiLo48 (talk) 08:44, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * My concern is for the good-faith editors that are being harassed. We have enough trouble attracting editors that it doesn't help when their efforts are negated and they turn away, seeing our open encyclopaedia as a home for self-righteous arseholes enforcing arcane rules. We should be helping them understand how we work together and encouraging them to contribute. --Pete (talk) 09:04, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Guys, could you take this to one of your own talk pages, please. There is a clear guideline that exists because consensus supports it and has done for a long time. My involvement in this is just ensuring that current guidelines are followed and that current consensus is reflected in those guidelines. If consensus changes then it changes but it hasn't for a while. Fenix down (talk) 09:39, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That's the problem. The current situation is causing disruption. New editors come along - every two days, on average - make good-faith edits, and get accused of vandalism. I'm proposing to change only football-related articles to prevent this continuing. You, as an admin, seem to be supporting continuing disruption and harassment of potential new editors. There's nothing any of us can do to stop new people coming to our encyclopaedia, spotting a mistake and fixing it, exactly as we advertise that they can do. What we can do is find a way to make them feel thay can do something useful here, instead of having some self-appointed vigilante telling them that they are vandals and will be banned if they come back to fix more errors. --Pete (talk) 09:58, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2018). Administrator changes
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Interface administrator changes
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Guideline and policy news
 * Following a "stop-gap" discussion, six users have temporarily been made interface administrators while discussion is ongoing for a more permanent process for assigning the permission. Interface administrators are now the only editors allowed to edit sitewide CSS and JavaScript pages, as well as CSS/JS pages in another user's userspace. Previously, all administrators had this ability. The right can be granted and revoked by bureaucrats.

Technical news
 * Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. The time when you can't edit might be shorter than an hour.
 * Some abuse filter variables have changed. They are now easier to understand for non-experts. The old variables will still work but filter editors are encouraged to replace them with the new ones. You can find the list of changed variables on mediawiki.org. They have a note which says . An example is   which is now.
 * Abuse filters can now use how old a page is. The variable is.

Arbitration
 * The Arbitration Committee has resolved to perform a round of Checkuser and Oversight appointments. The usernames of all applicants will be shared with the Functionaries team, and they will be requested to assist in the vetting process. The deadline to submit an application is 23:59 UTC, 12 September, and the candidates that move forward will be published on-wiki for community comments on 18 September.

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A question in 2018 Taiwan Football Premier League
In top scorers section, do we use TPE flag or TWN flag ? Hhkohh (talk) 12:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * TPE, though really there is no need to show flags at all. Fenix down (talk) 13:02, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

September 2018
Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to United States Virgin Islands national soccer team, did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. ''Understood. I have this script as well. The linking of the sport is standard. Feel free to take it to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football for further discussion. I will be reverting the rest of your changes.'' Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:39, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I asked to you discuss the change. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:36, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You need to look at the edit, the area to which you took exception has not been undone. Can you please self revert. Fenix down (talk) 15:38, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Also please look at this edit. You've reverted to something that doesn't make sense. Fenix down (talk) 15:40, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – October 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2018). Administrator changes
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Interface administrator changes
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Oversight changes
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Guideline and policy news
 * Following a request for comment, the process for appointing interface administrators has been established. Currently only existing admins can request these rights, while a new RfC has begun on whether it should be available to non-admins.
 * There is an open request for comment on Meta regarding the creation a new user group for global edit filter management.

Technical news
 * Partial blocks should be available for testing in October on the Test Wikipedia and the Beta-Cluster. This new feature allows admins to block users from editing specific pages and in the near-future, namespaces and uploading files. You can expect more updates and an invitation to help with testing once it is available.
 * The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team is currently looking for input on how to measure the effectiveness of blocks. This is in particular related to how they will measure the success of the aforementioned partial blocks.
 * Because of a data centre test, you will be able to read but not edit the Wikimedia projects for up to an hour on 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time.

Arbitration
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Articles for deletion/List of national teams with no FIFA World Cup appearances
Hi,

You said in your close that nothing suggests this list has ever been talked about as a group, but I presented two sources which clearly covers the list as a group:  I have several football-specific encyclopedias in storage which cover all world cup qualifying rounds which likely also contain the information. Would you mind at the very least undoing your close and relisting the AfD, considering there's no clear consensus either way? Thanks! SportingFlyer  talk  23:25, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I second this. I was going to come here to ask this, but SportingFlyer beat me to it. There was cleaely no consensus to delete. Smartyllama (talk) 01:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I won't be reopening this discussion. Both the sources you have presented are simply lists of stats. There is no significant discussion bar a fee lines in one of the sources. WP:LISTN is quite clear that lists need to be discussed in reliable sources to be notable for a standalone list. Simply copying stats from other sites is not enough. During the discussion there were no sources presented that even begun to show the required ldvel of discussion. I would also remind you that AfD is not a vote, just because a number of people voted keep does not mean there is no consensus, the closing admin has to weight up the arguments and in this case I felt the keep votes were a very long way from satisfying LISTN. Fenix down (talk) 07:44, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * While I still think you're looking at LISTN a little bit too narrowly, I have no interest in taking this further, and really appreciate the quick response. The information already basically exists at a possible merge candidate, albeit in a slightly different and more informative context, so my concerns about losing the information completely are satisfied. SportingFlyer  talk  11:26, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Where does the information exist at this point? Assuming that information is somewhere, I don't object either, but I wasn't aware it was, unless you're referring to the citations, and I don't really want to have to recreate this from scratch if we decide to merge. Smartyllama (talk) 12:50, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It's able to be restored by an admin. However, I would be vary wary of adding it to an already stat-heavy list as, firstly, there was no strong suggestion at all to merge and secondly, where would you stop? Why not have a section for countries who have never hosted the world cup? Players who have never played? Given that it has been deleted, I would suggest gaining consensus at WT:FOOTY before adding such a lengthy section to any other article. I'm happy to restore the content to your user space if you do gain that consensus and then you can incorporate it. Fenix down (talk) 15:29, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There was one merge and two keep or merge !votes in addition to two that were outright keep. Although I'm aware of WP:NOTAVOTE, more users thought the content should exist somewhere (either in its own article or elsewhere) than thought it should be outright deleted. To me, there may be consensus that the material should exist somewhere in some form, and certainly isn't consensus that it shouldn't, so the appropriate thing is either a BOLD merge followed by WP:BRD if necessary or else a relisting to establish further consensus on what, if anything, should be done with the material. Smartyllama (talk) 15:57, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Again, it's not a vote. Simply saying "merge" as you and the other editor did without providing any back up for this view. If this whole AfD hadn't happened, I would have removed the addition of such a lengthy section that to my mind is nonsensical, taking us straight to the discussion part of BRD. Let's just avoid that and if you think it should be included, go and take your case to WT:FOOTY and gain wider consensus with a proper rationale. I'll happily restore the content to a draft page so people can see it to aid decision making. Fenix down (talk) 16:06, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The table - well, the information, at least - already (basically) exists at FIFA World Cup qualification. SportingFlyer  talk  20:44, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * To my mind, that article also contains a lot of extraneous tables and stats as well, that are not presented in a clear manner. However, the national team results table is a useful and relevant summary for that article and the colour coding presents those countries that have not qualified in a much more succinct manner than the standalone list ever did. I definitely don't think there is a need for a standalone list with that in place. Fenix down (talk) 22:59, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I agree at this point. Might help to create a redirect or something, but that's about it. Smartyllama (talk) 13:04, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't protest about a redirect, but it's a bit of a cumbersome title, not really a plausible search term. What might be useful is some sourced prose at the top of the existing table summarising it and noting those countries who have tried to qualify the most without success. Fenix down (talk) 14:11, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

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Looks like you've realised your error but, yeah, he meets WP:NFOOTBALL... GiantSnowman 13:11, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I did, sorry, didn't see an appearance on soccerway and didn't realise who had created it until I had prodded! Fenix down (talk) 14:43, 30 October 2018 (UTC)