User talk:Fennellgb

Proposed deletion of Con-Nichiwa


The article Con-Nichiwa has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * No significant coverage by reliable and independent sources.

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Con-Nichiwa article problems
Hello, to answer your questions why I nominated Con-Nichiwa for Proposed deletion, is the articles lack of reliable and independent sources (Such as articles in major newspapers, television news reports, and also non-press release Anime News Network articles.) An weak example of that would be the "Best Anime Convention - 2010" in the Saboten Con article your also involved with. AnimeCons.com due to it being fan contributed does not establish notability, but can be used as a contributing source, and it being the only source in the article is another problem. I attempted to find sources that would meet reliable and independent, but could not. Unless some of these sources are located, the article will possibly be discussed in an articles for deletion if nominated. Esw01407 (talk) 02:41, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

So I have a question/concern then. When I put to many ref and links on a page before someone said reduce the links, now you come on and tell me the opposite. I want to make sure I'm keeping this up without upsetting too many people, but this seems opposite of what I have to told before.--Fennellgb (talk) 02:55, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Let me add, there are numerous articles out there for con-nichiwa I just haven't posted them to keep the links down.. as in here http://borderbeat.net/culture/2066-con-nichiwa-is-more-than-just-an-anime-convention http://innocentwsh.deviantart.com/journal/College-Resumes-and-Con-Nichiwa-2010-228398076 http://www.last.fm/event/1387113+CON-NICHIWA+2010+w-+Peachcake!

and so on... Please let me understand what you are looking for so we can close this matter :)

To be safe I added a link for a 2012 review from borderbeat.net --Fennellgb (talk) 03:11, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * To start, if your talking about the linking from the Saboten Con article by Jeraphine Gryphon, the user was discussing External links (Website, Forum, etc), not reference links. To answer your next question, as I would understand it, Official web sites are primary sources, and generally should not be used, or used only with secondary sources as backups. This link might help explain more. Of the three links you posted, only one would be a useable source, and that would be the borderbeat (It's notability is not completely established), and even that is questionable as the articles talk more about Cosplay, and the small business article doesn't really tell much about Con-Nichiwa, it discusses more about selling goods. This article from [Borderbeat] might be more useful. Other problems also still exist in the article, including the top paragraph having no sources, being written possibly like an advertisement, and no sources for the attendance numbers. The one borderbeat source might not be enough to establish notability. Esw01407 (talk) 03:42, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Then instead of just jumping on a convention page and suggesting it get deleted, how about helping me fill in the gaps. Just coming on and suggesting that the page be deleted seems a bit rash and thus my reactions. With the information you are providing I will work over the next week to fill in some of these gaps, but would appreciate any and all help. :) --Fennellgb (talk) 03:46, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh and I am curious if you have the same conversations with the Tekkoshocon people about no references for most of their attendance numbers.--Fennellgb (talk) 03:49, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * If you take a look at Con-Nichiwa: Revision history, three weeks ago I marked the article for notability problems, I have already checked for sources to attempt an improvement of the article then and found none that I could/would use, that is why I tagged it for others to help. As for the Tekkoshocon question, most of the attendances are from the AnimeCons.com sourced already on the page, but I will recheck for possible improvement in that article. Esw01407 (talk) 04:07, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to get into a debate, I appreciate your help in pointing this out and will work to fill in the gaps over the next few weeks. I would ask that you give me a bit of time to fix this and not suggest for its deletion.  Thank you for the feedback and have a great night and weekend --Fennellgb (talk) 04:11, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Esw01407, I have worked on updating the notable links and would like a peer review if possible. Thanks for your time and let me know where I can help in other areas going forward.--Fennellgb (talk) 16:46, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, if your looking for a WP:PR that's a different subject. If your looking for my opinion on the Con-Nichiwa article, unfortunately nothing has really changed. The Comic Book Therapy links don't even discuss Con-Nichiwa, they seem to be interviews with the voice actors, so the article is still extremely weak on notability. I noticed on Jeraphine Gryphon talk page, you were making comparisons about references to other conventions including AM², Sac-Anime, Anime Banzai, Sakura-Con, and AnimeFest. It might not be the best course of action as many convention articles are in need of attention, Sac-Anime and AnimeFest both have maintenance tags, Anime Banzai needs major sourcing work, both AM² and Sakura-Con needs sourcing attention at some point. On a side note, the Saboten Con article is looking better, but could use more sources. Please keep in mind, these are only my opinions, if your looking for other information or advice aside from what I am offering, I would recommend talking to user User:Knowledgekid87. They are experienced in editing convention articles. Esw01407 (talk) 22:26, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, just trying to follow the proper processes here to be a good Wikipedian :) I have a few articles that the Tucson New Paper wrote in print and also the Phoenix New Times.  Trying to see if they have digital copies somewhere.  Thanks for taking a look, I will just have to work on getting more digital refs for Con-Nichiwa over the next few months.--Fennellgb (talk) 22:30, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

May 2012
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 * Thanks for the links, information, and advise. I will take them all into consideration while on Wikipedia.--Fennellgb (talk) 17:54, 30 May 2012 (UTC)