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Overcategorisation
Hi, I noticed that yesterday you were adding Category:Irish books to articles that are already in its sub-category Irish novels, or in sister categories such as Early Irish literature or Irish manuscripts. Please just use the most specific category that applies. - Fayenatic (talk) 12:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh fair enough. I got that backwards. It was because the Irish books category was severely underpopulated I added it. Shall I delete it? Is mise, Fergananim (talk) 14:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * For the ones that are already in a better category - yes please! Cheers, Fayenatic (talk) 15:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Gaeilgeoir for deletion
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 * I have no problem with the article deleted if it is found unfit, via our guidelines. All I hoped for was that other editors more erudite than I would find better sources than I could accrue. It deserves it. Fergananim (talk) 18:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * In this case, categories would be better than a list. Please populate Category:Irish-language writers! - Fayenatic (talk) 20:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Hildegarde Naughton
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Article Mac Maolain edit
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Questionable move on O'Flaherty
Why in the world did you make this move? He is know to the English speaking world as O'Flaherty not Ó Flaithearta. Don't you think a proposal and some sort of discussion appropriate before such a change? ~ Alcmaeonid (talk) 21:11, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right, I should have done so. What do you propose? Fergananim (talk) 10:20, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I suggest a move back to O'Flaherty since this is the name that is the most widely recognized. Mention of the (I assume Gaelic) Ó Flaithearta can be made more appropriately in the body of the article. What do you think? ~ Alcmaeonid (talk) 19:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right. Will do soonest. Sorry for doing it, I got too enthused! Fergananim (talk) 23:08, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing this up. ~ Alcmaeonid (talk) 13:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

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Irish playwrights
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I have seen you adding "Category:Irish people of British descent" quite a few times. Often, there is no proof of this British descent. So why do you add this? Night of the Big Wind talk  05:52, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I am reverting this odd category in 99% of all cases. Sorry, but this is more vandalism than useful. Please refrain from adding this link unless the article proof the British descent. Night of the Big Wind  talk  16:59, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This bizarre category was added to the Isabel de Clare, 4th Countess of Pembroke article although as the page clearly states, she was born in the late 12th-century-well over 500 hundred years prior to the Act of Union! Additionally, she was born in Wales to an Irish mother and Norman father, so how it was reckoned she could accurately be categorised as an "Irish person of British descent" is beyond me! I hope you don't think I'm being rude or attacking you, Ferganinim, but I was honestly baffled by the category being applied to Isabel who was born in 1172!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:24, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Firstly, I must apologise for adding the category to far too many articles. Once again, my enthusiasm got the better of me. It would have being better if I created articles on the surnames concerned, all of which demonstrate British ancestry (I mean British in both sences - Cymric speakers from Strathclyde/Cumbria/Wales/Cornwall/Isle of Man, and people from the island of Britan). Breathnach, Walsh, Wallace, and related names belong in this broad category. I also included people who bore surnames of French or English surnames, or who had a parent or grandparent who was French or English, in similar categories. Regarding Isabel de Clare, I thought that as she was part-Welsh it would be obvious that she was of British descent. Shall I revert all the articles, or have you already done so? Thanks for your input, and especially your courtesy! Is mise, Fergananim (talk) 04:13, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I came across this category in a number of articles - too many to edit - where I think it should be removed as there is no basis for it in the articles concerned. Hohenloh + 12:25, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for reminding me of this. Can't recall why I left it so badly edited. Musta being the blues. Fergananim (talk) 22:53, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Abbot of Emly
Here's a page I've created you may be interested to see: Abbot of Emly. Scrivener-uki (talk) 19:45, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow, what a lovely article! Are you planning on adding bio's to it? Cairpre Ua Lígda, for example, sounds interesting! Fergananim (talk) 00:59, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure there is enough information to create articles for them all. With some all is known is their names and death dates. It's possible with some others, such as the one you suggested, and Eógan mac Cinn Fáclad, son of King-abbot Cenn Fáelad hua Mugthigirn and Marcán mac Cennéitig, brother of High-King Brian Boru. Also I've just created another page, Abbot of Lismore. Scrivener-uki (talk) 01:43, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The Abbot of Lismore article is just as excellent. I love these, as there is nowhere near enough articles on pre-12th (or even pre 19th!) century Ireland. Have you created other articles within this era? Fergananim (talk) 01:49, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm mainly concentrating on articles where are lists of abbots/bishops/archbishops/etc, which includes the pre-12th century. That is to say, those in Category:Irish abbots and Category:Lists of Irish bishops and archbishops. And where there is enough information, and if I'm in the mood, I create articles for each individual. Scrivener-uki (talk) 15:19, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

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 * Please review WP:OVERCAT. I've raised this multiple time with you Fergananim Kernel Saunters (talk) 16:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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I am not sure that your move to Gearoid de Barra was correct. The English form is clearly the WP:COMMONNAME and actualy the sources do not indicate whether he went by the English name or not, or indeed if the Irish name is a backformation to Irish. I think you should probably move it back, untill we have a source that makes sure that he actually used the irish form of the name. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:22, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Manual_of_Style/Ireland-related_articles is quite clear in showing that the English name is the preferred location here. None of the sources use the Irish name as the primary name. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:25, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No, the main source I used for the article was hAllmhuráin's "A pocket history of Irish traditional music". He gives the English name and the Irish in parentheses. Thanks for moving it back. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 12:10, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

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Annalistic References
County Tipperary. You can't just drop Annalistic References in as a major section. The link doesn't even have any direct reference to Tipperary. At best, it's a See Also section. This and the other drops of Annalistic References into other pages should be reversed please. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:16, 4 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Fergananim. As other editors have noted (above and in edit summaries), there seems to be some discomfort with your drive to copy/paste loosely related annalistic references into every town article for Ireland. Frankly I'm a little concerned about it myself. Per the WP:NOTEVERYTHING guidelines, it really doesn't seem in keeping with the project (to me) to have quotations from the annals just "copied and pasted" (with no context or anything) and randomly added to articles. If a place is mentioned in an annal, then it should really be included (in prose!) in the history section. With perhaps some context and a note about whether the annals are supported by any other historical or archaeological facts. Not just lumped in as an after thought - with no real indication to the reader about relevance, reality, etc. I recon you should consider moving all that stuff to Wikisource. Maybe as part of a "Annalistic references by Irish placename" - or similar. And then add a simple cross-link at the bottom of the town articles. Wikipedia isn't Wikisource. Guliolopez (talk) 09:05, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

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Removal of text from Irish people in Jamaica
Why have you removed that text from the article? I was going to revert but looking at your contribs, you're clearly not a vandal so I thought I'd ask you first. It seemed referenced and relevant to the article. Valenciano (talk) 09:14, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the kind words! I removed them because none of the sources cited actually specify Irish slaves. The one article one the subject (http://www.historyjournal.ie/irish-slavery/57-irish-slavery-topics/113-irish-slaves-in-jamaica.html) confuses indenture with slavery and ignores the massive Irish emigration pre-1641 all over the West Indies. It talks of "indentured Irish slaves" in the first paragraph, then "indentured servants" and "Irish labourers" in the second - which is it, slaves or servants or labourers? Indentured Irish had a terrible time over there, but they choose to emigrate. They were not slaves. We all know that Cromwell transported Irish people to the West Indies, but they were prisoners, not slaves. I used to think that talk of Irish slaves over there was true but the more I research this the more it seems a mirage. Fergananim (talk) 09:25, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That seems fair enough then, but don't forget in future to put something in the edit summary like "removing dubiously referenced text, will explain on talk" otherwise recent changes patrollers may revert you. All the best, Valenciano (talk) 09:29, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh. Ooops. Didn't know you were supposed to do that. Will do so henceforth. Thanks for the advice, always most welcome. Fergananim (talk) 11:11, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Anything strike you as odd about this revision history? RashersTierney (talk) 02:41, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm very slow today. What is it? Fergananim (talk) 10:54, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Something about it got me wondering if there might be a sock at work. RashersTierney (talk) 01:04, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Joseph Rafferty (murder victim) and the articles you have created
I have removed my request for this article to be deleted, as the issues of my concern are being worked on. You have created several articles today about people that have been allegedly murdered by Irish Republicans. I would suggest that they be titled as "Murder of X" as in Murder of Robert McCartney. I would also suggest that you include the word "allegedly" if and when saying that they may have been murdered by X. That should be in the first sentence or two as that is why these people are notable by Wikipedia Standards. That being the case the Title should be "Murder of X". Also, may I suggest looking at Murder of Robert McCartney to see how it is formatted, sourced, and written and use it as a guide. I will try to make an effort to help improve these articles you have written and prevent them from ending up being deleted. With Thanks, King of Nothing (talk) 06:01, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Any and all help is much appreciated. Fergananim (talk) 06:10, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

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Chronology of Irish History to 1976
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