User talk:Fergananim/ArchiveXI

Hey?
Taking a break, and/or annoyed about something? DinDraithou (talk) 14:59, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Not at all. Why so? Fergananim (talk) 15:20, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh I just thought maybe because you archived everything. Nevermind! DinDraithou (talk) 15:50, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Just late spring cleaning. Fergananim (talk) 16:09, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Comhar (talk) 10:56, 13 June 2010 (UTC) Hi, thanks for advice. Táin Bó Flidhais is on now - will just have to wait and see what happens with it. All that early Celtic genealogy does my head in trying to work out who's who.

Rsmrsm
Hi Fergal, you seem to be relaitvely familar with this user. He/she created a number of articles on dark age Saints today, none of whom I can verify the existance of. Eg, Saint Femia. I intend to speedy, but would be happy to be wrong, if you can find anything. Ceoil (talk) 17:43, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I have, but this user never replies or takes advice. Which is a shame, because they appear genuine, if obscure. I have already edited about a dozen of his/her articles to save them from deletion, but won't intervene anymore. If they cannot be written to wiki's standards, they should not be here. Fergananim (talk) 20:38, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * He/she has resonded at least on the talk of Saint Femia, although agressively and defensively. Copy vio is the main worry here. I'll engage and see how it goes, though a twin pronged approach might be best, and perhalps a good productive user might come from this. Slán leat. Ceoil (talk) 21:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Good work, I hope not in vain....cúram a ghlacadh. Ceoil (talk) 23:17, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Great Famine
I reverted your last edit. I have no idea what your intention was but am curious. RashersTierney (talk) 11:02, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

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 * Wow, thanks! Hope I'm equal to the task. Fergananim (talk) 08:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Treasure
Look what I've found. See Donal II O'Donovan. One of us should also upload that portrait of O'Shaughnessy from The Story of an Irish Property, opposite pg. 60. DinDraithou (talk) 00:53, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Saints
I dont see that there is much choice. Ceoil (talk) 13:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I not sure, exactly. I know that you can mass nom a bunch of articles. But how? Dunno. That stuff can be tricky. Ask for help at one of the noticeboards or a regular ADF person, eg User:DGG; the charge I suppose being hoax. Ceoil (talk) 13:49, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Likely they are being written from a single source; an anthology or some such. If he will cough that up, it would be enough to keep the pages. Ceoil (talk) 14:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

MacFirbis genealogies
Are you aware of this: ? I did not find a link to it in any of your articles. I went through it and everything works. DinDraithou (talk) 06:44, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I see you just added it. What I didn't say but I guess just assumed you would guess was that I didn't know which one it was. Now I know. DinDraithou (talk) 00:07, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay. Fergananim (talk) 00:11, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay! DinDraithou (talk) 00:15, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Cotter family
Hi Fergananim! I would like to direct your attention to the prominent Cotter family of County Cork. Apparently they are demonstrably Norse, and claim descent from Óttar of Dublin, King of Dublin from 1142 to 1148, through his son Thorfin and grandson Therulfe. I found this in Diarmuid Ó Murchadha's Family Names of County Cork, an excellent book. I do not know if there is a full pedigree.

It's easy to make a claim like this after rising to heights from relative obscurity, but then we've just found a source in Scotland that says that Ottar did actually have a son called Thorfin. Ottar himself belonged to a line of Ottars from what has been referred to the Ottar dynasty, an article for which should appear soon. They were a family of jarls and occasional kings. Finally the O'Brien Cogad Gáedel re Gallaib from the early 12th century happens to associated one Ottir Iarla with the earliest settlement of Cork in the first decades of the 10th century. This is significant. And we have a MacCotter fighting in Orkney in the 1400s.

So, do they have a pedigree in MacFirbis? It appears as Cotter, MacCotter, Mac Coitir, and Mac Oitir ("Descendant of Óttar"). Many thanks if you can help, and thanks anyway for reading all this if you can't. DinDraithou (talk) 19:19, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Will get back to you in a few days. Fergananim (talk) 15:06, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Scottish poet
Email? I have something I would like to send you, concerning Donal III O'Donovan and Gyles O'Shaughnessy. I have the full edition and translation of the poem by Maol Domhnaigh Ó Muirgheasáin, just scanned for me by the fine people of the University of Aberdeen. The joint editor herself sent it to me no less. For mentionings and refs see. Unfortunately they misunderstood me and did not send me the other two edited and translated by Black, but I am very happy to have this one, and do not want to bother them again for a while. The poet will need an article, and I will try to start one soon. I also have his eulogy edited but not translated by O'Rahilly.

I greatly fear that the elegies for Donal III and Gyles are now lost. They were composed by Conchubhar Cam Ó Dálaigh Cairbreach. DinDraithou (talk) 21:54, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Sent. DinDraithou (talk) 17:35, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk Ulster page
I replied to your query about expanding information on the early pre 1600 history of Ulster on the Ulster talk page, you've got my support. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boundarylayer (talk • contribs) 15:51, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

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Can't find ...
Hope you're doing well. I am sure I once read a paper or a book that had something in it about Áed mac Bricc. As I remember it, it was prophecised to Áed's ma that if he were to be born on he'd be a great saint. Ma goes into labour the day before, so she sits down straddling a big rock so as to delay the birth until the auspicious day. I think it also said that this was the origin of Fiachu Muillethan's byname. I just can't find this anywhere. Do you have any idea what book this might have been? Many thanks in advance, Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:21, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm here to show off. Cath Maige Mucrama., 42, 43. DinDraithou (talk) 00:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


 * And to feel helpful. See, p. 309, and make sure to click on Meyer's note. DinDraithou (talk) 00:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


 * And here is one book.. But you may want to check Kingship and Landscape of Tara, p. 325. Cheers, Angus. DinDraithou (talk) 00:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

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 * Seriously??? Drop me a line if this becomes an AfD Fergananim :) Finn Rindahl (talk) 19:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * lol... "attack page". User:Access Denied is not an admin and has only been around since May this year. The only article he/she has ever created is Nirvana Revenge, which I think we should nominate for something. DinDraithou (talk) 19:53, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The tag has been removed, so let sleeping dogs lie. It could have been a genuine mistake. Fergananim (talk) 20:35, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Cathal Crobhdearg Ua Conchobair
You might enjoy attending his inauguration. Looking at Ó Maolconaire I am confused though. There was a previous Tanaide? In any case you can find the White Wand called the slat na ríghe on p. 342.

Btw have you had any luck with Mac Firbis? The Cotters look to be nearly straightened out, but I would love it if you could look up another pedigree (O'Donovan) for me if you get the chance. John O'Donovan gives it from Mac Firbis up to Donnabhán but does not give his father. Cú Choigcríche Ó Cléirigh surprisingly recorded this as Amlaíb (mac Cathail) but this can't be right unless someone has gone around and tampered with all the other sources, most of which are earlier. I have just made the obvious assumption, apparently like both O'Donovan and the Earl of Dunraven, that this records a father-in-law Amlaíb mac ??????, possibly the unfortunately named but otherwise very distinguished Amlaíb Ceanncairech "Scabby Head" who was king of Limerick in the 930s, the very height of Norse power in Ireland. Perfect time. He will have an article shortly. DinDraithou (talk) 03:17, 11 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that - I've been flat out with actual work and its been at the back of my mind to sort that for you for ages. I'll take a look tomorrow and see what I can find. As to the king of Connacht, wow! Brilliant! I'm sure there must have been at least two Tanaide's, as the family regularly recycled forenames. Many of which were odd, even by Irish standards. Will look other ref up. Always wondered about the kings of Limerick, so will be looking forward to his article. Fergananim (talk) 03:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for checking! Shame about the Cotters. But what about the O'Donovans? I know there's an O'Donovan pedigree or two from MacFirbis because John O'Donovan quotes part of it/them in his appendix to Hy Fiachrach, but doesn't give any generations before Donnabhán himself, oddly. Anyway, I wish I had work to be busy with right now. Here is Amlaíb Ceanncairech, for whom I have some nice sources not added yet. He is the one famous for smashing up Connacht, coincidentally. He was probably killed in the Battle of Brunanburh in England fighting alongside Amlaíb mac Gofraid. DinDraithou (talk) 22:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Patrick Glynn
I removed the links because, by Wikipedia standards, they're not relevant. If they actually were related to Glynn, then by all means add them - but we need sources for that. Rebecca (talk) 12:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

See also Family name
Why are you adding people with the same surname but unrelated to various articles? Just because they share a surname doesn't mean they are related or have anything else in common. Seán Broderick for example, which I have reverted. This kind of thing should go in the Family surname article. Snappy (talk) 12:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems to be original research on your part. I haven't other BLP articles on wikipedia where the see also section contains people of the same surname who are unrelated, if there are point them out to me. The most you should do in the See Also is a link to the Family Surname article. Snappy (talk) 20:47, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Another thing, you mentioned denoting "some blood relationship however distant", unless you have proof then you should leave it out, because there is such a thing as adoption. Snappy (talk) 21:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Clonfert Cathedral
Could I add this link to the external links? http://www.360eire.com/360eire/Connacht/Gaillimh/eastgalway/CluainFearta/CluainFearta.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dialinn (talk • contribs) 18:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Teige Mac Murrough O'Brien
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Máire Mhac an tSaoi
Hi. I made a good faith edit to improve the above article, but realized I had made a mistake and quickly rv. After I just did some minor tidying up. Yours, Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 19:18, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

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Q
Out of curiousty is your user name a version of 'Ferg is ainm dom' Thats how I read it, anyway. Ceoil (talk) 16:36, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No. Fergananim (talk) 16:59, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * k. Ceoil (talk) 03:44, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Rt. Fergananim (talk) 17:18, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Year of Disappearances
Hi Ferg,

Very long time since we've been in contact. Hope you're keeping well.

Re your addition of a para to the WoI article on the Year of Disappearances,I'd be concerned about giving it its own whole paragraph.

First of all, it's not apropriate to be 'plugging' one book in this way (though I know this was not your intetnion). Second, this is a very new publication and its research has yet to be received and reviewed. It could yet be challenged in various ways.

I think some of the para should be added to the relevant part of the article -and perhaps we need a whole para on the issue of IRA shooting of spies and informers in the article -an issue also raised by people like Peter Hart and John Borgonovo.

Jdorney (talk) 14:08, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. More than anything, this was just to get the ball rolling. Corry seems to be the only one of the brigade with a bio. Have not yet seen other reviews of Murphy's book. Peter Berresford Ellis in the Democrat is the only person I have yet seen mentioning Hart's work, of which he is scathing yet does not give any counter-arguments to what Hart and Murphy put forth. Mind you, he does'nt have a great track record, having once been a huge supporter of the 'MacCarthy Mor'. Fergananim (talk) 17:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, well if you agree I'm going to remove the para and try to incorporate the content into the texisting text, ok? Jdorney (talk) 20:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks J! I've a bit too much taken on at present - very much appreciated! Fergananim (talk) 20:52, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, done. Have a look, correct if nec. Jdorney (talk) 21:10, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Good job, J, much better than my draft. And it led me to the Dunmanway killings, of which I knew next to nothing. I understand why such articles cause consternation, but it is ALL our history, good and bad, and should be recounted. Fergananim (talk) 21:27, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Couldn't have said it better myself. Just because we don't like it (and this stuff is pretty troubling) doesn't mean we shouldn't remember. Jdorney (talk) 21:43, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering." Fergananim (talk) 21:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice! Who said that? Jdorney (talk) 22:41, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The Doctor! Fergananim (talk) 23:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Ferg, you may be interested in this article - argues against the thesis that the war of ind. was sectarian, looking at clare in partic. http://www.theirishstory.com/2010/12/03/the-distinction-is-a-fine-but-real-one-sectarianism-in-county-clare-during-the-war-of-independence/ regards, Jdorney (talk) 22:16, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

You must have been tired!
Hey, I saw you edited that talk page post I made a while ago! Did you think you were in the article itself? It's easy to be tricked because I actually copied that from the other article, because I was the author. Not a big deal though. People argue about O'Neill. But in Munster he was recognized as such by a number of families, as was reacted to as such by the English for a period. In fact he was recognized more widely than Bruce ever was. DinDraithou (talk) 05:33, 21 November 2010 (UTC) Thank you so much for the O'Donovan pedigrees from Mac Firbis! In fact I had found the page of the manuscript at the website and thought I had understood it, but now I see I missed several important things. For example that Giolla Riabhach also held the lordship, crucial information. Since Mac Firbis does not call him Ivor this further deepens the mystery of the Sliocht Iomhair O'Donovans, who are known to have been historical because a small remnant appear in an early 17th century English survey. And they left a castle behind. Curious Mac Firbis does not mention them, because they were local celebrities. O'Hart does. At least by the 19th century their founder Ímar Ua Donnubáin, who is central in the family mythology, is identified with Giolla Riabhach, but I have doubted this for some time even though they may have been contemporaries. Assuming the main O'Donovan line do actually belong to the Ui Chairpre Aebda, this may have been a Norse family, a sept of the Ui Imair attached by marriage, brought down from Limerick or imported from Waterford. Donnuban had family ties with both in the 10th century and his descendants are believed to have continued them.
 * I'm not sure what talk post of which you speak. Fergananim (talk) 21:45, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Then you definitely were tired or something! Talk:Hiberno-Normans. DinDraithou (talk) 22:54, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair was the last recognised High King of Ireland. O'Neill had his ambitions, but even his supporters (such as the compilers of the Annals of the Four Masters) stress his English title. The time of the High Kings was long gone by his time, and well it was known. For further data, see From Kings to Warlords by Katherine Simms. No, it would be incorrect to accord king of ireland to O'Neill, though quite right to call him King of Tir Eoghan. Fergananim (talk) 02:32, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Less Tyrone than de facto king of Ulster, even if the rest of the O'Neills opposed him. Then at least two thirds of Munster, and other territories. From the Munster perspective, he did act as overking, performing "royal acts" like recognizing the MacCarthy Mor and appointing the Earl of Desmond. DinDraithou (talk) 01:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'm not denying it. His power was incredible. However, Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair is regarded as the last High King. Fergananim (talk) 01:21, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * At least in the traditional way, since O'Neill's overlordship of a respectable part of Ireland, at least half the total land mass, was partly spurious, and quite brief. And illegitimate according to some, although not to me, assuming his father was really an O'Neill. Interestingly, and this says nothing about Hugh Mor's abilities, I have seen him referred to as being of "moderate" height. That usually means someone is short, if not too terribly so. I wonder if Brian "Boru" was a little short too? DinDraithou (talk) 01:47, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Noticed you plan some work on Finghin MacCarthy, Prince of Desmond. A most worthy subject. However, should'nt the article be titled Fínghin Mac Carthaigh? And would it not be more appropriate to describe him as a fully-fledged king?Fergananim (talk) 07:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for prompting me to change him to Fínghin Mac Carthaigh. I was never happy with "Prince of Desmond". I chose it to avoid confusion with his namesakes but it was not necessary. Also when he lived they were still kings so you're right that Prince is not appropriate. Some of the later Desmond princes shamefully became followers of the Desmond earls but the MacCarthys Reagh consistently refused, even if they sometimes payed the beeves to avoid harassment. What's funny is that the Prince of Carbery really was the King of Carbery until the Tudors. Time to rant a little. Obviously it is just the old O'Donovan title even if that pisses the O'Mahonys off because they don't think my ancestors were worthy of living in the area much less having a snazzy enough sounding title for the MacCarthys to make their own. If you read their books the O'Mahonys really make an effort to belittle the O'Donovans. In fact no one really likes "us" except the MacCarthys. Half the people in Munster seem to think they're looking at some half-breed sept of the Ivarssons who should just take their good half back to Denmark or wherever. The ever innovative O'Briens seem to have virtually edited the O'Donovans out of the Annals of Inisfallen, when the sagas and other sources tell of a much stronger presence. "We" are believed to have supported MacCarthy at Callann, btw. DinDraithou (talk) 20:30, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Back to our kings and lords, that list in A New History of Ireland IX is clearly not the best. They even get it wrong with Desmond and Thomond so the compiler's grasp of Munster is weak, something not uncommon. Where are the Princes of Duhallow? And the Clanaboys in Ulster were certainly kings. I did not know that about Tory Island and the Claddagh and absolutely love that. Have you seen what I've done with Rí? I found it a tiny but nice stub and have expanded it quite a bit. DinDraithou (talk) 04:26, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

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Navbox instead of See Also?
I think your See also sections are too long, how about a bottom-of-the-page navbox something like the one below? I don't know if what you're going for is "Hiberno-Latin authors", so I haven't created one or added it to articles, which I leave up to you. Srnec (talk) 21:31, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That's VERY thoughtful of you, Srnec! Thanks, I'll happily add it! Fergananim (talk) 00:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * What you need to do is create a page at Template:Hiberno-Latin culture and paste the navbox there. You can even add categories that will appear for every page it is placed on. Then you add it to an article by placing at the bottom of each article. Notice how you can arrange articles in the navbox by group (topic), as I've done with "Authors" in the above example. I'm not really very good at this stuff, so you should perhaps review WP:NAVBOX. I'm also not very knowledgeable in this area (Hiberno-Latin). I just thought we were missing a few early medieval Latin poets (all of my article are about Carolingian poets, I believe) and knew where to get information on them. —Srnec (talk) 04:22, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Fergananim, it looks like you misunderstood Srnec, so I took the liberty to create a template for you: see Template:Hiberno-Latin to 1169. Now you only need to place at the bottom of each article, like I did here, and any changes you would like to see can be made to the template itself. Cavila (talk) 13:36, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Ann Maire McHugh


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If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion, or "db", tag; if no such tag exists, then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hang-on tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you.  ttonyb (talk) 06:32, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

9/11 victims
Being killed in the 9/11 attack does not make a person notable. They must have been notable before that incident. I cannot believe that Wikipedia has any contrary policy. And there is a specific Wikipedia is not for memorials policy. &mdash; RHaworth 17:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Stoneyisland Man
Hello Fergananim! Thank you for contributing the article Stoneyisland Man. I am very interested to have a look into the referenced publication: Lickmolassy by the Shannon: A History of Gortanumera & Surrounding Parishes, John Joe Cowell, for Gortumera Historical Society, 1998, pp.3-5. ISBN 0 9534776 0 6. But unfortunately I have not found it available in any German library. Would it be possible to send me a scan of it in case you have it available? This will help me a lot, as I am jus translating the article for the German Wikipedia. Thank you in advance and Merry Christmas --Bullenwächter (talk) 11:47, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Fergananim! Thank you for your prompt reply and your efforts! I'm looking forward to hearing from you. --Bullenwächter (talk) 20:47, 26 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello Fergananim! Luckily I found some short articles about the Stoneyisland Man in my bookshelf. One general published 1986 and the other one about C14-datings published 1995. When interested please contact me by E-mail. --Bullenwächter (talk) 20:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Desmond O&
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Hugh Maxton
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Proposed deletion of Thomas Neary


The article Thomas Neary has been proposed for deletion because under Wikipedia policy, all biographies of living persons created after March 18, 2010, must have at least one source that directly supports material in the article.

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Copyright problem: Desmond O'Grady
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 * You copied all of the creative prose from the source and the list of works (which would generally not be creative) is apparently not a comprehensive list (see e.g. more works listed at http://www.pgil-eirdata.org/html/pgil_datasets/authors/o/OGrady,D/life.htm) and thus the selection involves creativity and so copying that is also a problem. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:51, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I have also blanked Hugh Maxton for the same reasons as listed above. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:55, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, but I think much of the what is thought to be copyrighted material was simply the respective bibilographys. Fergananim (talk) 19:50, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Irish people
I agree entirely with your recent removal of original research at this article. It was an egregious piece of synthesis, but, if I might suggest, an edit summary would make your intention more transparent. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 00:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Good idea. How do I do that? Fergananim (talk) 00:54, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to tell Granny how to suck eggs but a simple "removing WP:OR" at this would have done it. RashersTierney (talk) 01:22, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It might be more a case of telling auld Grandad! Thanks! Fergananim (talk) 01:34, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No bother. I was just about to add a link to Help:Edit summary, but I guess it's not needed now ;- ) RashersTierney (talk) 01:40, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Random Smiley Award
For your contributions to Wikipedia and humanity in general, you are hereby granted the coveted Random Smiley Award. (Explanation and Disclaimer) ♠  TomasBat   02:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Way-hey! Thank you! Fergananim (talk) 02:32, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Liam Rua Mac Coitir
Excellent, I have been looking for some information on Cotter poets, but found very little readily available.Urselius (talk) 10:25, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of William Keaveney


The article William Keaveney has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Unreferenced BLP. Does not assert notability. Ghits do  not  return reliable sources for an author of this name of notable books.

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Hiberno-Latin literature
Hi again, Fergananim. It seems that you not only misunderstood, but you managed to completely overlook my comment above, the one about the templates and all. Give that scrollbar a good push upwards. Feel free to ask again (here or on my talk page) if anything is unclear to you. Cavila (talk) 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Before I forget to tell you, I've created another template for Latin writing after the Norman conquest: Template:Hiberno-Latin post-1169 (though 1500 as a cutting off point might be more suitable). Cavila (talk) 21:27, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * And I've created Template:Hiberno-Latin authors to replace the navboxes you added manually to each article. —Angr (talk) 21:51, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Conchobhair Ó Briain
for the purposes of titling an article, there is a difference between "correct form of a name" and "commonly used name". Please see Talk:Conchobhair Ó Briain. -- PBS (talk) 21:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Aimhstín Mac Concalon


A tag has been placed on Aimhstín Mac Concalon requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Richard Joyce
I don't see what the relevance is of Damien Joyce, Henry Joyce, Pádraic Joyce, Timothy Joyce is to the article on Richard Joyce (Goldsmith). Damien and Pádraic are GAA stars, Timothy is a dead priest, none of these are relations presumably. Henry Joyce was mayor of Galway before Richard's time, are you suggesting they were related?

Rejoyce1976 (talk) 15:08, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Damien Joyce
Again, I fail to see the link with Timothy Joyce, Henry Joyce and Richard Joyce. There should be links to Nicky Joyce and Pádraic Joyce only if they're related or played on same team maybe?

Rejoyce1976 (talk) 15:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Timothy Joyce
I can see no link to Damien Joyce, Henry Joyce, Pádraic Joyce, Richard Joyce, William Joyce apart from them all having the surname Joyce. you wouldn't have a see also on John F. Kennedy's page to Charles Kennedy for example...

Rejoyce1976 (talk) 15:18, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Iollan/Uilliam Mac an Leagha
Hello! I noticed that you are the creator of the Iollan Mac an Leagha / Uilliam Mac an Leagha article. I wondered if I could pick your brains about the possibility that Iollan and Uilliam are different people? Paul Walsh certainly thought so, pointing out that the scribe always signs himself 'Uilliam', never 'Iollan', in his MSS and that Iollan and Uilliam are completely distinct forenames. Of course, James Carney (and, I think, Francoise Henry?) have said otherwise, so there doesn't appear to be a scholarly consensus on this (not enough people have written about this guy to reasonably expect one). But do you think there's a good argument for distinguishing Iollan the father of Connla, Eóghan, and Maoleachloinn from Uilliam the scribe of the listed MSS in the article? I didn't want to go making radical alterations without checking if you knew of a rebuttal of Walsh's arguments on the matter. Thanks! ANB (talk) 03:17, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reponse! I'll try to dig out a few references when I get time & perhaps lay out the evidence in the article and let people come to their own conclusions. I have a good many unpublished research notes on Uilliam Mac an Leagha and his MSS, but most of what I have will fall foul of WP:NOR. Also kudos for all the work you've done creating and improving medieval Irish articles. It's mightily impressive, and a much needed contribution to a v. underserved area of wikipedia! ANB (talk) 14:29, 27 March 2011 (UTC)