User talk:Fergananim/Archive II

Image editing
The EU map was based on a map elsewhere in Wikipedia (for a list of "free" maps, see Maps). Small maps (like Ireland county maps) can be created by tracing (using multi-layer images) reduced versions of other maps (this is by far the most effective method - as reducing other maps results in a far too intricate outline).

I mainly use Paint Shop Pro (this program is not usually free, though older versions are often free with magazines) and work on multiple image layers, with both vector and anti-aliased drawing componants. Tools include shape and line drawing, selection tools (magic wand, shape, freeform, selection modification/expand/contract/feather), paint tools (paintbrush, flood fill), image resampling, text tool (vector and anti-aliased). For photos I use image adjustment tools (colour, brightness, hue, saturation, image despeckle/blur/sharpen/edge enhance), clone brush, smudge.

I'm not sure how much help listing the above is if you are not familiar with image editing, but it should give a flavour of the extensive toolbox at my disposal, to do anything from diagram creation, small pictograms and maps to photo retouching, stitching photos together seamlessly, removing items (e.g. unwanted vehicles/people/pylons) from photos.

My final repetoire consists of the various file formats and conversions at my disposal. I can save work in progress as vector or uncompressed/multi-layer format. I can merge layers and decrease colours (to 256 using various reduction techniques dependant on the type of image) for saving diagrams, etc. as png. Or I can save photos as full-colour jpegs with appropriate compression levels.

zoney &#09827; talk 11:51, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Not Finishing Articles
To those of you who have being kind enough to work with me on some articles, and those of you who have very patiently waited for me to finish certain articles, my apoligies for not keeping up the pace. Unfortunetly my health is not good, and even as I write this I feel another bad spell coming on. So, bear with me please. Go raibh maith agat. Fergananim

English Names for Irish Towns
Thank you for all your work on the Irish towns.

I noticed your change (or that of 193.120.102.167, who I'm assuming is you) of the article for Kinvara. Although I know very little Irish Gaeilge, I am a proponent for the continued use of the language. However, the name of the town in English, from every Irish source I can find, is Kinvara (or Kinvarra). The use of the English name of the town is key; as this is English Wikipedia. In all my work on getting Irish towns together, I've only run across one town (so far) whose official name, in English, is its Irish spelling: Muine Bheag. I applaud your work, and encourage you to continue. We must maintain, however, consistency among our articles, in the understanding that most people reading English Wikipedia. Also, the fact that the article is under the name Kinvara, which is where the vast majority of people reading English Wikipedia would look for it, indicates that the article should begin with the (more common) English name.

We've been mentioning Irish names briefly in the beginning of the article, and in the infobox of that article. However, putting two place names for every Irish city, town, mountain and lake in every mention presents itself as entirely too bulky, unencyclopaedic, and unnecessary. It presents the article as difficult to read. If people are interested in the Irish names of Galway Bay and other locales, they need only click through to those pages to find them. &#08492; astique &#09660; talk 23:10, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * What would be most nice and helpful is if you expanded the Cinn Mhara article from Irish/Gaeilge Wikipedia.


 * I am so sorry....I guess I made a big mistake, and figured out it wasn't you....please forgive me. The name?  :)  The real story is probably much too boring.  I'll have to invent some sweet yarn before I tell you.   &#08492; astique &#09660; talk 12:31, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Lynch (surname)
All of your exposition on my talk page is lovely, but why put it there instead of on the actual Lynch page?--StAkAr Karnak 6 July 2005 02:16 (UTC)

Ireland
Forgive me if I remain skeptical. Could you provide any outside sources that support your claim? The article which is referenced in History of Ireland is so misleadingly summarized that I am extremely dubious - it provides no support whatever for the idea that it is widely accepted that the Irish are not Celts. john k 8 July 2005 18:52 (UTC)

I would add that "Celtic" is normally seen to be a term referring to linguistic identity - just as there is no such thing as a "true Turk" or a "true German," there is no such thing as a "true Celt," either. The Celt article provides some support for the idea that many people no longer believe that there were massive migrations to the British Isles in the 1st millennium BC - but I still feel like the whole thing suggests a kind of ethnic essentialism that is unpleasant. john k 8 July 2005 18:55 (UTC)

I mean - the argument that they were not Celts is expressed in a way which seems misleading. The claim that "they did not call themselves Celts," for instance, is meaningless - no Celtic peoples ever called themselves Celts. That's like saying that the ancient Athenians weren't actually Greeks because they didn't call themselves Greeks. This suggests some kind of hidden POV lurking somewhere. Beyond this, having read a bit more, I think we need to a) make clear that the Irish were Celts in the normally accepted linguistic sense of the term; and b) acknowledge that the question of how Ireland came to be Celtic-speaking is controversial. In terms of b, it needs to be mentioned that there are still historians who think there was a Celtic invasion/settlement of Ireland in the first millennium BC. john k 8 July 2005 23:57 (UTC)

You've been impersonated by a non registered user
Just thought you'd like to know--I-2-d2 18:00, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for that, mate. Appreciate it. Be careful out there! Fergananim 16.8.05.
 * Sorry, I reverted some vandalism from two users. Have nice day!  :) Syrae Faileas 16:15, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Syrae, though I would prefer you had left it. I do not see why we should cover up stupidity and stupid remarks. Any idea of who the vandals were? Fergananim 17:00, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I saw it and I thought you were being both reasonable and then suddenly having an AOL outburst of caps and swearing. To be fair, I got my talk page smeared over that as well.  If you want to revert it to his comments.  Go ahead and do so.  I just thought I'd be nice and take random ranting off because the anon user and his friend decided that they didn't like you.  *shrugs*  I'll avoid doing that from now on since this is yours and not mine.
 * Here's the old version after an edit by User:83.70.222.3 and User:Muc Fíníneach. Muc Fíníneach then vandalized my talk page. ~ Syrae Faileas 17:07, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No I didnt that was user:Mr Swine.He cuts and pastes my signature.My proof is that i was not even in my house at the time.see
 * I think its safe to say that you are all one and the same. Fergananim 00:00, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I think it is unfair to say.If you can't back it up with facts(ip address) then dhún do bhéal anois.--Play Brian Moore 00:06, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Celtic Roots
Firstly, let me say thanks for your reply. My response on Fenian Swine's page wasn't directed to you, but rather to him. You obviously have a significant historical understanding of this issue, but as you say it is a heritage thing. Culturally, many Scots feel a kinship with celtic origin, rightly or wrongly. This is possibly related to the struggle for independant nationhood and identity, although Scottish identity is one aspect that has never been fully stripped from the modern day Scots. However, it cannot be fully expressed until sovereignty is restored. Rest assured that your nether regions are safe from any assault by my knees. Cheers --OorWullie 20:03, 26 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have just read Fenian Swine's response to my edit on his page. I think much of it is probably directed at you, but following directly from my entry there is a certain amount of 'spilled animosity' landing on me it seems.  Have you had many dealings with this guy, he seems a bit wound up. Cheers --OorWullie 17:02, 27 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi Wullie, thanks for dropping by. You know, I'm not even sure how all this began in the first place anymore because the same person uses a number of names and his only logic is vitrolic attacks. I find it impossible to understand why (except that he's anti-British) because he lets his anger and abusesive language dominate his entrys. All I wanted to do was open up some discussion on a few issues in Irish history; I am deeply sorry if you or any other user got caught in the crossfire. Is mise le meas mor, Fergananim 17:08, 27 August 2005 (UTC)


 * No problem, I have been around WP researching and editing for a while but only recently opened an account, so I know how these 'debates' can be. I am not sure how I even ended up there, but you know how researching on WP can lead you to some weird and wonderful locations ;-).  I think the anger and vitriol might be explained when he says "... utter b*ll*x i have ever heard in all my 15years alive". I will don the hard hat for the expected entry on my talk page from our friend. Cheers --OorWullie 17:29, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Important
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Tancred of Hauteville
Hi, thanks, I don't really know much about Tancred of Hauteville though...I know more about the other Tancred, Prince of Galilee. Sorry! Adam Bishop 22:44, 29 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm not very familiar with the literature on the Normans, but I suppose "The Normans" by Marjorie Chibnall would be a good place to start. As for my articles, User:Adam Bishop/articles has a list of things I've written here. Adam Bishop 23:04, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK/Wikimania 2006
Hi, this is a circular to Wikipedians in Ireland to draw your attention to Wikimedia UK, where the establishment of a local Wikimedia chapter for the United Kingdom (and possibly for the Republic of Ireland) is being discussed. See the talk page, as well as the mailing list; a meetup will take place to discuss matters in London in September, for anyone who can get there. On another topic, plans are being drawn up for a UK bid for Wikimania 2006, which would be conveniently close to Ireland. On the other hand, Dublin's bid was one of the final three last year - might we bid again? --Kwekubo 03:56, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

World War Two
Expendable really isn't the word I meant to use. I wouldn't mean to suggest you were "worth sacrificing if necessary". But the war would have been won without Australia, for instance; the total contribution was minimal. I'm talking about the big scheme of things here, too. Maybe Papau New Guinea would have fallen, I don't know. I don't think Britain would have lost its air war without the Polish fighters though. And the Free French were really just an accessory; do you think that the French actually liberated Paris? No, they played an insignificant and nationalistic part. France would have been a major player, but it was in a position where the Germans were simply better equipped and better led (not to mention defeatism). My real point in saying all of that on the page was to say that long talks about little contributions wouldn't improve the article because they would add unnecessary length; if you want an article about Australia's contribution, by all means plunge forward. And, of course, you can't use sub-articles as a reason to prevent an article becoming a FA. It's not right and it wouldn't be accepted by the community.--naryathegreat | (talk) 22:05, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

Blues
Unfortunately, I haven't really found anything yet. My understanding is that "blues" meaning "sadness" came first and that the origin of that is unknown. I'll let you know if I find anything. Tuf-Kat 22:43, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks for taking the time to contribute to Wikipedia. It is much appreciated.

I've been looking at a few of your recent edits, and I should probably point out a few policies we have at Wikipedia. Firstly, when we write articles about military people we do not include their rank in the article titles: see Bernard Montgomery or Mark Clark for example. It's also important that we only write articles about notable people. While a senior miltary officer may be notable in his own right, junior officers and other-ranks are probably not, unless they have performed some notable act. Being killed in action is not enough reason to be notable.

Some of your articles will probably be deleted - if you have written some in which the reson for notability does not appear, you should add the reason so that we don't delete articles unnecessarily.

Thanks, and keep up the good work. DJ Clayworth 21:41, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

John Ford
Your additions to John Ford leave the (this) reader with a lot of questions:

1) What does the close parenthesis mean?


 * "He was born John Martin Feeney)"

2) Why is "Abbey" in parenthesis?


 * Barbara (Abbey) Curren

3) Why did you put the name of the place like this:


 * "An Spidéal/Spiddal"

Is it two different places? One for him and one for her? Is it the same place with two different names? Do they not know which place they came from, so they put both?

4) Why put impoverished in parenthesis?


 * "....local (impoverished) gentry family"

5) On the names of the children:


 * Maime (Mary Agnes), born 1876

Is her given name Maime or Mary Agnes? Is one of them a nickname?


 * Delia (Edith), 1878-1881

Is her given name Delia or Edith? Is one of them a nickname?


 * Hannah (Joanna), born and died 1892

Is her given name Hannah or Joanna? Is one of them a nickname?

It is normal for Wikipedia to put dates of bith and death in parenthesis.

6) Why forward slash this date:


 * Daniel, born/died 1896

7) Normally Wikipedia staly is to put references in a "Reference" section, not under "Biography". Please see How to edit a page and Manual of Style.

8) Citing a source is done like this:


 * Author or editor (last name, first name mi)
 * Title of the book (italicized)
 * Place of publication
 * Publisher
 * Date of publication
 * ISBN


 * Example: Fleming, Thomas. Liberty!: The American Revolution. New York: Viking, 1997. ISBN : 9999999999

Please help clear up the confusion.


 * Hi, I'm not sure lots of détails about Ford's familly are necessery for the biography. But if you want some :


 * The father is not born John Augustine Feeney but Sean Fenney. Where are sure he's born on the Galdway coast, not sure it was in Sppidal.
 * We don't no the date he have the american nationality, maybe in 1878, maybe in 1880. Sources are not sure.
 * The mother name is Barbara Abby Curran, she changes Abby for Abbey.
 * The name of the second daughter is Delia Edith, and not Delia (Edith).
 * The exact name for the child born in 1889 is Edward Francis. The child's name born in 1891 is Josephine Cecilia. idem for Joanna Hannah.

Sorry for my english, Best regards, Petrusbarbygere 12:36, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

PS : You can find all the details about the Ford's family in the Book : Tag Gallagher, ''John Ford. The Mann and his films'', Univerity of California Press, Berkeley, 1986. Petrusbarbygere 12:54, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

History of Galway
You've done a lot of work on Sieges of Galway, so you may be able to find evidence for or against this proposition on Talk:History of Galway: Is the title Cathair na Gaillimhe a modern construction? (or is it a much older variant of Dún Bhéal Gaillimh, meaning "the stone fort (Caher) on the Gaillimhe"?) --Red King 19:26, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Fingal
Good question, but I would say that Fingal is an administrative county, not a county as such, still 32 of those.

Hi Fergananim!
Hi, Fergananim! First of all, thank you for your kind words and your interest in my work. I'm very flattered that you think so highly of my knowledge of Spring Heeled Jack, but I'm just an amateur who is interested in the subject and who happened to write an article about the common (and usually accounted) story. As to my opinion, on what he might have been, well - my own personal opinion is that he was nothing but a trickster, imitated by others later and whose xploits were distorted by the public and the press, but that's just my POV! If you're interested in learning more about the matter, I recomend you to have a look at writer Mike Dash's paper here:. Thank you for your comment on my pic - you just made me blush :) Slán go fóill, Shauri    smile!  14:48, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Richard O'Connor
Hello Ghost. You have written a fantastic article on O'Connor (or Ristard Ua Conchobhar as his people would once have called him). It should be FA. Listen, I don't suppose you know much about his ancestry? With a middle name like Nugent I suppose his roots lay in Leinster? Just curious. Fergananim 15:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Hello Fergananim and thank you for the good words. Interesting question! I have done little research on this beyond his parentage. His father was Major Maurice O'Connor, of the Royal Irish Fusiliers (as I mentioned in the article) and his mother was Lilian Morris. However, I suspect, his roots are more Scots-Irish, specifically the "Borderers" among whom are many families with long traditions of military service (including some of my own ancestors BTW :). This would make him more of a British "Mutt" than a true son of Erin. He obviously had strong attachments to Scotland and its people (can't really fault him for that ;) but whether this was due to ancestery or not I'm uncertain. The "Nugent" part is very curious, indeed. I'm not sure where that comes from. It had me looking through the Wiki here the other day and I found a line of Earls of Nugent with lands in County Westmeath, but they became extinct in 1850. I doubt he had any connection to them, though it is not unimaginable. Wish I could provide you with more info on this. But thanks again for the compliments, the support and the "brain food" :)--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 19:57, 8 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Well met again Fergananim, please tell me what you find. Now my curiousity on the matter has been engaged as well. I would especially like to know if my Borderer theory pans out or if he has any connection at all to the Earls of Nugent. Thanks again for the kind words and encouragement! Your friend, --R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 17:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Fergananim,

Hello, I am Mr Frosty. I do not know the origins of the name of the town of Redlynch in England. I wish that I did!

Howya
Yeah, will be in Galway for a while. You're out aughrim direction or something no? I'm back and forth to Dublin quite a bit but give us an email about meeting up and we'll have a pint somewhere. Jdorney 13:18, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Removal of photos
Hello Viz. Was it you who removed the photos of Ali, Jimi and Jeff from the Irish people article? If so, why? Cheers. Fergananim 17:23, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * You can see here, who removed them, I don't know the reason. --Vizcarra 19:50, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Do we really want this?!
My dear friend and fellow Wikipedian, A proposal has been made here which could effect the way all featured articles, and perhaps even eventually all articles, are handled in the future. While it has the well-meaning intention of addressing some real problems, if it is adapted, I fear it will actually create more problems and possibly destroy the wonderfully open and collaborative nature of the Wikipedia we all so love.

I therefore, strongly urge you to join us who OPPOSE this potentially dangerous proposal. Thank you for your time, thoughts and words.--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 08:08, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

An erudite, thoughtful, politically correct post from Celtic1
Why are you full of such self-loathing?

It is clear that you hate being Irish; as your views on the deliberate genocide against the Irish people are illustrative of how subservient you are to foreign invaders. Why not just get it over with and leave the nation? Celtic1

"politically correct "

Oh dear, it was not PC! It is great that you have your own mind, and are not subject to the totalitarian controls of a fashionable doctrine! Ha Celtic1

Some advice...
Celtic1 is inexhaustible and immobile. I fear your efforts may be in vain. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 12:12, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words on my Irish Peace Tower article. They made my day! ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 14:01, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * You heteros and your shadowy, twilight world. Always to be seen in your specialist pubs and clubs, cruising for women and generally making a show of yourselves. You should be ashamed! And they've even got people like you on TV these days, in soap operas where children can see you and get recruited to the world of breeding. It's disgusting. There must be some form of treatment or aversion therapy for your nasty habits. A good double album of Judy Garland hits, an interest in interior decorating and some leather boxer shorts would sort you out! ;o) ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 19:58, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * So much cock, so little time... :o)  ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 20:27, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, 26 years old, redhead, hour-glass figure... and currently in Nepal (no, really). Do you have international flights in Ireland, or do they all only go to Kilburn in London? ;o)  Have you any brothers who bend the right way? Would be a fair exchange, IMHO. :o) ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 20:42, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * You've given me a wonderful idea for my next trip to Mesen (a horrible, horrible non-place that you wouldn't go to unless you lived there, and even then you'd drive around for a bit in case you'd made a mistake). I'll take photographs of my experiments and send them on to you (or post them here if you fancy).  It's all a question of whether the local authorities allow people to mount the tower.  I'll find out; after all, they had no worries about erecting it to start with, so they're my kind of authorities already.  Shame about your brother, by the way - what did your parents do to deserve two hettys in the family?  Are they cousins or something? ;o) ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 21:35, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

History of Ireland
I suspect that not many people know as much about it as you do, so consider silence to be assent! I really thought that my heavy edit would raise the backwoodsmen to defend the Sacred Text, but not a whisper. --Red King 18:08, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I meant as originally written by you. It was you, wasn't it?  It was very good, but it was also very detailed and so belonged in a sub-article.  IMNVHO.  --Red King 17:13, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

A user is trying to have the Template:Irish Republic infobox deleted. Your comments would be welcome. FearÉIREANN \(caint)  22:08, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Cliona ni riain
He's now blocked for 24 hours. -- ChrisO 12:21, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

United Ireland
Hello FgA, am impressed that with all your committments you found time to drop by. You make a key point. Perhaps I should not hide a United Ireland behind an All-Ireland settlement. Probably did it to pacify LP less he .. well, sometimes I do manage to compromise in an odd diplomatic manner occasionally and not provoke those who still believe that unity might work, though it obviously would not, at least not this century. The chance for unity was missed in 1914 and practically lost for ever in 1916. I'll have more on this under the title "All-for-Ireland League" in a few weeks, am travelling presently. Osioni 15:42, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Getting cracking
Do you really need me for that ?? Nice to get your greetings gura maith agat. Recent events and 1975 revelations show how precarious any attempt at unity would be. I am just tuning in again after some divergencies. Someone got Cannon Sheehan set up ahead of me, well done, but historically vital details are missing, so that to begin with. Beannachtaí na Féile leat. Osioni 20:26, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Galway photos
Hello Fergananim - I didn't add all of the new Galway photos, just the one I took of the old man looking out over Ballyknow Quay. I agree with you though, the page is looking great! Cheers! - Gobeirne 03:21, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Use of copyrighted images
Hi. I reverted your addition of a copyrighted image at Irish people, as we cannot use copyrighted images from films to illustrate the actor in lists of people. Furthermore, your User:Fergananim had many copyright-infringing images on it, which I have removed. Fair use is clear that copyright-protected images cannot be used at all outside of articles for educational purposes or commentary. If you would like to learn more, or help keep Wikipedia free of copyright infringements, please feel free to help out at WikiProject Fair use. Thanks for your understanding. Jkelly 00:13, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

EXCUSE ME!

 * 1) Can I have an example of myself adding little but vandalism Ferg or are you just out to get me because I assosiate with "the Artist Formerly Known as Fenian Swine"?Tunney 00:21, 4 December 2005 (UTC). You haven't replied to this and I demand an answer. I fell you are victimising me! Tunney 00:20, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

O'Connor
Hi, you wouldn't happen to have the ISBN number for the "Ireland's Generals in World War II" book referenced on Richard O'Connor, would you? I tried searching for it, but was unable to find it (perhaps because it's phrased World War 2 or WWII?).I'm just trying to tidy up some loose ends on that page. Leithp (talk) 14:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I found it on the Four Courts web-site. Where I should have looked for it in the first place. Leithp (talk) 14:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Celtic Galloglass
Hi Fergananim, Someone's using the deaded c word again (celt) at Celtic Gallowglass. Feel like backing me up on the talk page? Jdorney 13:38, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Irish people PR
I don't see why not. However, the only contribution I made to the article that I am aware of was disambiguation fixes.

Search 4  Lancer  15:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

a link to my response →  P . Mac Uidhir  (t)  (c)  18:59, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Peer review of Irish people
I would support it, but would like to see 44 million be the number listed with Irish in America, which is what is accepted by most Irish-American organizations. Also, many a list of notable people of irish descent, not just any famous person, but very notable, like JFK, and prime ministers and presidents of different countries such as Canada, France, and the ones in South America. 68.77.139.51 19:35, 22 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Indeed, I would of course support the effort to present Irish people to a peer review, although I cannot guarantee that I will be able to contribute o'ermuch.  &#08492; astique &#09660; par&#08467;er &#09829; voir &#09809; 23:09, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

There is a WP:TFD vote to delete Template:Irish Republicanism. In my view the template is fatally flawed in a host of areas, littered with inaccuracies and would be a guaranteed source of endless POV battles between SFs, RSFs, 32 County nutcases, etc etc. We only need to look at the POV nightmares at the various IRA pages to see the nightmares that could be caused by a template that tries to describe who is in and who is outside Irish republicanism, who is a key figure and who isn't. Redking made an interesting suggestion in the debate where he suggested that in effect the template is part if a campaign of normalisation of the Provos to make them legitimate. FearÉIREANN \(caint) 19:07, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Kingdom of Ulster.
Fergananim, the Kingdom of Ulster was more distinctive than the rest of the isle of Ireland in terms of both language & culture. Even now, the culture of Ulster is strongly similar to the Scots culture. Even Ulster's language is very distinctive. The second official language of the British nation of Ulster after English is Ulster-Scots (or Ulster-Scots-English), which has a very strong influence from Lallans. The Irish language is not recognised as an official language in the British nation of Ulster,but it is an official language in the Irish Province of Ulster (Cavan, Donegal, & Monaghan), however. To Ulster Protestants, the Irish language is seen as a language of oppression in the same way that Afrikaans was seen as a language of oppression prior to 1994 in South Africa by some people. - (Aidan Work 01:29, 29 December 2005 (UTC))

Ciamar a tha thu,Fergananim? Thank you for your reply about Ulster. The traditional area of the Kingdom of Ulster includes both what is now 'Northern Ireland' & the Irish Province of Ulster.The O'Neills were the ruling dynasty,but the succession was often disputed between different branches of the family.After the conquest of Ireland under King Henry II of England, Ulster was allowed to remain self-governing under various puppet princes from the O'Neills until the late 1500's.

The reason why the British nation of Ulster can claim to be a successor state to the Kingdom of Ulster,is because Ulster is definitely where the ancestors of the Scots came from, hence the very strong Scots culture. For far too long Sinn Féin/I.R.A. has propogated the myth of a 'British occupation'.Sinn Féin/I.R.A.'s ridiculous claims are totally discredited not only from a constitutional & political point of view, but because of the will of the majority of the nation's population who have voted to remain part of Great Britain. - (Aidan Work 00:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC))

Ireland during early Viking era
Hi, Fergananim...just wanted to reply to your comments on my talk page.

First, let me emphasize that the content I added was meant to be a very high-level summary. I realize that the devil is in the details. That said, I felt comfortable with my wording, which was based on my readings of, among many other things, The Oxford Companion to Irish History (S.J. Connolly, ed.), The Course of Irish History (T.W.Moody and F.X.Martin, eds.) and the Encyclopedia of Ireland (Brian Lalor, ed.).

Like my wikipage says, I'm just an amateur, and I'd welcome any revisions you'd like to make. I just wanted you to be aware that I didn't pull my characterization of the period out of thin air.

Of course, Red King has already asked me to write an even further-condensed, higher-level version of the current intro, leaving all but the grossest details to the subsections and their related wikipages...so this discussion may be moot.

To answer your first question, my Powells are not from Inismor, but they are from another Kilronan: a townland outside of Dunmanway, Co. Cork. Dppowell 01:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Gerry Adams
Yeah. Hopefully I am not stepping on any toes here, and sorry if I am! I put Gerry Adams alongside Mandella (Even though I personally believe Mandella has endured far more, although Gerry isn't to be overlooked) because He is a revolutionary. Not just for Ireland but against England. I have this view of England's long-running imperialism as a type of plague or virus. They tried their hardest to really push who they are upon most countries/colonies (i.e. India, Ireland, U.S., Wales, etc.). I have never really been comfortable with the phrase "The sun never sets upon the British empire!". It seems like it is making English invasion look like they are try to endure something. While the Irish on the otherhand are trying to endure poverty and the long-standing occupation. Although I favor Gerry Adams and the political process. I cannot say that I support the IRA. While such infamous squads like the "Black and Tans" have done their part in the murdering of innocents, the IRA are no angels on the subject either. They are terrorists to me. And I have never been comfortable about that term. But back to the "British Imperialsim" thing, what troubles me more is I see it happening in my own country (U.S.). They are engaging in such imperialsim now and have been for quite sometime. Anyway, I put Gerry Adams up there because even though I may not be that much in touch with the country/tounge/people of my heritage, it is still my heritage, and I believe that Gerry Adams is doinghis best to make sure that the country of Ireland returns to the way it once was so very long ago.

But then again, I am just an 18-year-old. I suspect my opinions will change greatly in coming years in ways that will make me look back on this one and wonder what in the world I was thinking. But I like it right now. Again, sorry if I stepped on any toes.

Wow. I did not know alot of that. I guess you learn something (or a whole lot) everyday. I guess my opinion on the subject of Adams has changed. I definately need to do more reading on the subject, but from more NPOV sources than Wikipedia.com. But I don't believe that my view of the history of England is gunna change anytime soon. Then again, at most times I am the kind of person who just really needs to find a cause to support. But in either case, thanks for the enlightenment! Japan Acid 23:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC) Japan Acid 16:53, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Peer review
Greetings again, I do not understand what a peer review is all about or what the point of it would be in the case of Sheehan. I prefere to keep a low profile on contributions. I'm tight on time. History is as history was. I think the history of the All-for-Ireland League to be far more important, you should tell your contact Japan Acid to read it as well. Britain does not occupy the north. We in the south simply lost and abandoned it (I do not need to tell you that, do I ?) Osioni 21:51, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

You are correct, and is exactly what I say on my User page. It is what I am working on. It will only happen through links on other pages, which I am slowly building up. That way readers will click on the Sheehan site. However the work is huge. The pages on the Molly Maguires, Joseph Devlin and the Ancient Order of Hibernians are TOTALLY misleading and lack the real historical facts. They above all were the sectarian culprits at fault for our divided nation. I have just completed Canon Sheehans political activist side. Before that The Royal Munster Fusiliers, which is only basic, I still have to add far more detail, also in William O'Brien. So give me time, please. It can take some months. Osioni 22:10, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Spreading the word
See what I have just added to Joseph Devlin as an example. I need to now close down, I am over-wickied.Osioni 22:48, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Doherty
Thank's for the help with the date. About the other part, it's great that you want to help, but you need to give more specific recommendation that "it needs revision". What would you like changed? I am using the terms "tanistry" or "Brehon Laws" out of context? Kevlar67 23:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, that makes sense, I was mixing modern terms and ancient ones. I'll see if I can fix it.  Thanks for the advice.  Kevlar67 07:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Úi is for oops
Uh, yeah... don't know what got me, I just mixed myself up. haven't delved seriously in written Gaelic for too long I'm afraid. it's indeed uí and I was mistaken... I should edit that bit out in the original page... or is it better to keep it for archiving? --Svartalf 18:13, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Dia Duit
Thank you for inviting me, and I'd be more than glad to join the Irish Wikipedians Notice Board! See you there! Brownsc


 * "Dig a ditch" to you too. Although isn't the correct greeting Dia Dhuit? (with the response being "Dia is Muire dhuit"? I can't rembember what the correct response is if someone greets you with the latter, it's something based on god, and mary, *and* the apostles with you. (Semi serious point) Anyone know why there are two greetings (with emphasised greetings as response)? Is one more polite than the other? Anyway, hello Irish people, excuse me as I'm just back from the pub :) MartinRe 23:50, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Oy, you love Band of Gyspys? 'Cause I most certainly do, too! Brownsc 12:27, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Dia 's Muire 's Pádraig dhuit?--shtove 22:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Dia Duit
Thanks for showing me this: Irish Wikipedians' notice board. I have already taken your advice and worked on a few articles from there, particularly the Bog of Allen. Where in Ireland do you live? I've never been there, but a number of my ancestors immigrated to the states either from Ireland or via Ireland. Gatherton 00:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite, I'll try to help where possible. My knowledge is probably best around the Clew Bay area, especially near Cathair na Mart, so I'll try to work on the articles near there. - JVG 13:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for welcome but..
I did actually get a welcome but I removed it. I thought it looked more professional without it, as it was rather large as you can see on the oldest version of my page. --User:Foxtrot Romeo India Zulu Echo 16:44, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Irish Kings
Hi Ferg, re the changing of Irish chieftains to Irish Kings, this is not correct for the early modern period. Neither the annals nor the poetry of this era rfers to Gaelic lords as kings. Chieftain is better because it describes their status as the head of people rather than of land. Jdorney 16:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough, I still think that chieftain is better in the English language, but I concede the point. Jdorney 12:14, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, sounds good. Jdorney 17:19, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Dig a ditch
Got your message - thanks. I've come across your user name a lot, but never copped the pun - Irish is not my strong point. I see you've an interest in Clanricard. My strength is the 16thC., although I've always find things west of the Shannon a bit murky. I'm going to have a go at a lengthy(ish) biog of Richard Bingham, and maybe the Clanricard aspect could be helped with your input. Otherwise, there are certain things on the Clanricard theme I could contribute after rooting around in my notes. Suggestions?--shtove 22:18, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

New Cat
I created, spurred by Mais oui!, a new category, Medieval Ireland. Just thought it may be of use to know. - Calgacus 01:29, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Just so you know...
I'm not really sure if i'm Irish, or not. My grandmother says that we have Irish descendants, but my mother says otherwise. It is possible, however, since I have Scottish and British ancestors. Kazuhite 02:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Gaelic-relate FAC article
I thought I'd let you know that the Scotland in the High Middle Ages article has been nominated (by me :)) for featured article status. The vote so far is favorable; but if you think it deserves it, it certainly could use more favor: Featured article candidates/Scotland in the High Middle Ages Have a good one. - Calgacus 20:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)