User talk:Feri-Feró

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Changes to county articles
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I see you have changed many articles on Slovakian or Hungarian counties. While I appreciate your good faith, there are a number of technical and policy issues with your changes. First, you seem to have a Slovakian bias (see WP:NPOV, though I appreciate that occasionally you have improved Hungarian references. Second, you should use and,  etc rather than write out longhand. This also places the articles in categories such as "Articles containing Hungarian language text", and provides links to articles on those languages.

While I appreciate your contributions, I think it would have been better to have tried to achieve consensus on the relevant projects or talk pages rather than wholesale change them. I do realise there are inconsistencies in these articles, but I believe your changes are unhelpful and, on the whole, a backward step. Therefore I have reverted them.

Best wishes Si Trew (talk) 22:53, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Some specific examples

 * Lower case for e.g. "hungarian", "romanian" (also "roma", which is quite a different language), possibly a misunderstanding that in English adjectival forms of proper nouns take an initial capital.
 * You have generally switched articles to put Slovakian before Hungarian in infoboxes, whether or not it makes sense chronologically or in terms of importance. Though I concede, sometimes you have put the Hungarian first in articles whereas it was not previously, such as at Ung County. So I think this is a genuine attempt to list the current place first, but perhaps is not in line with how others would view how an article should list these things. I think you should achieve consensus first before changing these.
 * In my opinion,you have added eyeties and parentheses into tables and running text excessively, in a way that can suggest that other languages are inferior or subsidiary to Slovakian.
 * You have used nonstandard abbreviations such as "svk" for Slovakian, and "roma" for "Romanian".
 * You have ommitted language tags, which are added by templates such as or, , ,  and so on.

You have changed some biographical articles along these same lines, but I have had enough reverting the geographical ones. For example [|here], where you have changed the name of a football player who was born in Austria-Hungary has had his Hungarian name changed, but incorrectly, since Hungarian names take the (so it would be "Dezső Béla" if that order were used, but it is only used for Hungarian names). See for example [|here].

Full disclosure: I am English and live in England with my Hungarian girlfriend, User:Monkap. I've created about twenty templates for articles concerning Hungary in EN:WP and edited many others and helped with her translations, so though no expert on Hungarian I do know a fair amount about translation in principle. I also am relatively fluent in French and passablein Latin so do translation articles, e.g. at WP:PNT. 15 years ago I did a year's voluntary lecturing for Machine translation. I am not claiming perfection, but I have a vague idea what I am talking about when discussing different languages.

Best wishes Si Trew (talk) 00:48, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have also reverted some edits. For Slovakia related articles, there has been a discussion about when to use which names (Hungarian and/or Slovak), the result of which is this User talk:Elonka/Hungarian-Slovakian experiment. Please read those rules before making more of these changes. If you don't agree, discuss it. Markussep Talk 08:56, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

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