User talk:Fetchcomms/Archive 12

Please use this to leave me a new message:

DYK for Chord Overstreet
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Darwish M.K.F. Al Gobaisi
Hi Fetch, Thanks for the good work auditing Wikipedia content. "Darwish M.K.F. Al Gobaisi" is an article that was deleted and I am resubmitting it. Reading the different help articles/feedback to try and meet Wikipedia standards. Any tips/help would be appreciated. The article now is a work in progress - I hope to have it done in the next few days (hoping also that it doesnt get deleted immediately).

Thanks and Regards, V —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinayaka94 (talk • contribs) 07:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have had to re-delete the article. It was previously deleted after this discussion. Therefore, you may not simply recreate the article unless the content is not substantially identical from the original (which it was). Basically, if you want to make an article on this person, it needs to be almost completely different from the deleted version. It also needs to address the issues raised at the above link. The main issue was:
 * Biography of a living person without any references or sources to back up the material
 * Please write a draft version of the article, with completely new material and multiple independent references/sources to verify all the information. (Good references/sources are news articles, magazines, books, etc. that are not affiliated with him, but discuss him in detail.) Then, once you have a draft, please submit the draft to Articles for creation. Thank you, / ƒETCH COMMS  /  19:59, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Inka 888
I and agree that Inka 888 is ready for the rollback permission. I will contact several people and feel free to discuss on my talk page.-- Talk tome (Intelati) 20:51, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think manual reverting (actually, encouragement to write/develop articles, not just revert vandalism) is good for building character, but you've been mentoring him, so I guess it's your call. However, I expect that any misuse of rollback that is not accidental will result in a loss of the right. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  21:29, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * @intelati - see my email regarding restrictions. THENEW M O NO   23:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Lex and Terry
Can you direct me to the discussion about the deletion of this page? I understand that it sounded like adverstisement/self-endorsement, but the fact is that it was written by fans who took content from the radio show's website. The article was heavily flawed, but Lex and Terry are significant enough to warrant an article. A nationally syndicated radio show is pretty signifcant, I would think. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would like to see the deletion discussion. (I'm extremely rusty with Wikipedia.) Thanks. 71.170.58.183 (talk) 04:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The article was Speedy Deleted under the G11 Criteria. Thus, there is no discussion. But, I think FETCHCOMMS would Userfy it for you, if you make an account. Thanks-- Talk tome (Intelati) 04:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, there was no discussion. You are best off creating a new article on Lex and Terry from scratch, as the old version was a near-complete copyvio, advertisement, and contained a lot of unsourced trivia. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  12:42, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

PPI Assessment Follow-up
Hi Fetchcomms, recently you signed up to help with assessment on Wikiproject: United States Public Policy. This project is probably different than other assessment drives you have worked on, it involves more assessment of lower ranked articles, it has input and staff from the foundation, and specific goals to improve and measure content of public policy articles. It also involves collaboration from some university classes, we are using an experimental assessment rubric, and most articles will be assessed by multiple reviewers to get a range of scores for each article. It's a lot to digest, and totally understandable if it's not what signed up for. However, there are also some exciting perks to this project: 1) your assessments are part of research that is attempting to increase credibility of Wikipedia in academic circles, 2) there is a great group of assessors involved in discussion of what is article quality and how to measure it, 3) WP:USPP is also piloting the Article Feedback tool, so those involved in assessment on the project will be asked to help improve and rate this tool as well, 4) subject matter experts are assessing articles alongside Wikipedians and comparisons of results will provide some insight as to the rigor of Wikipedia quality rating, and 5) other interesting benefits you will find with participation.

The first group of articles requesting your assessment has been posted. I was hoping to do a preliminary comparison of the data on 8 October 2010. The second assessment request, which is part of the same comparison, will go out about the same time. To help with organization, if you haven't posted any assessment scores on your assessment page by 8 October 2010, I will delete your assessment request and you will not receive further requests. I hope the unusualness of this assessment research does not discourage your participation; if you are not interested working in the research I hope you will continue to assess articles within the project. If possible let me know on my talk page if you don't wish to be a part of the research, or perhaps if there was some confusion or bad communication; what the public policy team, and I, in particular, can do to make it more positive for volunteers. Remember, I am new to Wikipedia and trying to learn the best way to research this project, to hopefully integrate the amazing resource that is Wikipedia onto more university campuses and classrooms. Thanks, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 22:36, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

NSFW. A hunter shoots a bear!
Not sure this is even worth bringing up but crazy issues sometimes get stuck in my craw. I _think_ the correct result of should be keep because after sources were found there were 4 keeps (3 of which I'd say are policy-based) and 2 deletes (one policy based though pretty clearly mistaken). The early !votes were all pretty much "no sources, so not notable" and so should be ignored at this point. After the last relist no one else commented, not sure if that was a TLDR problem or the error in the relisting or what. I honestly don't care about the article but the close seems off. Thoughts? Either way I think this is an interesting AfD and would make for a good RfA question--it's not trivial. Hobit (talk) 17:41, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you're right, except that I'm not so hasty to disregard the initial comments in favor of deletion. I am assuming good faith, of a sort, by assuming that they have looked for sources first and found them lacking in establishing notability (which may or may not be the case). I'm not wholly opposed to the article being recreated later if the notability is firmly established in the article, but I think some of the concerns in the AfD were valid. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  15:35, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, a bit confused. No sources were forthcoming until sgeureka found some.  I think it strains reality to assume that the found the sources (which are fully about the subject) and discarded them without comment.  I'm ok with letting it drop, but I really think delete isn't the outcome of that discussion, I think it's all the way on the keep side.  Eh.  Hobit (talk) 21:43, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Cleaning out the incubator
Did you think to ask me or Smartse about the draft in the Incubator on Protest in the United Kingdom before deleting it? Luckily I have the tools so can restore it by myself to my userspace. Fences &amp;  Windows  23:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It had been sitting there for several months without anyone touching it. Someone already changed the template parameter to "delete". Even that was quite some time ago. If nobody bothers to improve the article for that long, then I'm not sure why it would matter to ask you if you could retrieve it anyway (and if you could not, WP:AI says "Articles that have been deleted from the incubator may be restored, at administrator discretion, if an editor agrees to work on them"). Anyway, I don't think this is a big issue, but we shouldn't be leaving copies of deleted articles and such around forever, userspace or projectspace, or anyspace. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  12:50, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations for your edit (Difference between revisions) on Fly America Act article. You have removed Category:Article Feedback Pilot, all other categories and the link to the same article on the Japanese Wikipedia! Well done! Congratulations once again! Please, pay more attention next time! Thanks. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 15:34, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Was this supposed to be funny or rude? If the issue is fixed, then I don't need a notice. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  15:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You know, notices go to Noticeboards, whereas I have written to you personally. So, it was not a notice. If an editor deletes all the categories from an article, isn't it a sort of vandalism? Yes, I know you did it in good faith, but I was reverting your edit (which is something that I never do). Then, I saw that you are an administrator, and I fixed that issue manually. So, take it as a friend's advice, a suggestion. Cheers. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:51, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Um, OK... I mean, I don't really care as long as you fixed it... / ƒETCH COMMS  /  16:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

User space
How do you make a template similar to the one on my user page? Inka 888 Come yell at me! 01:28, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * There are a lot of templates on your userpage. Which one did you want me to show you how to make? / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:55, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not being clear. The gray one that makes the background color and has links to things like contribs, edit count, and my talk page. How does one make one of those? -- Inka 888 Come yell at me! 02:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm going to recommend again that you just look at the code of that template, which is located at User:Inka 888/top (oh, dear... Intelati appears to have forgotten to attribute the template code :/), and learn how to code tables. Or, you can write one new article for me, and I'll create a new template of that sort for you. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  02:58, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Didn't know about the attribution. :/ Thought GNU didn't require attribution.? Never mind, wrong liscence. Saw it in a program, assumed it was the same. :/-- Talk tome (Intelati) 03:03, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ on both-- Talk tome (Intelati) 03:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, WP is GDFL/CC-BY-SA. keep attribution in mind; it's commonly forgotten and.or ignored! / ƒETCH COMMS  /  03:05, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * How would I make one myself? -- Inka 888 Come yell at me! 03:08, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't "teach" you. I mean, you, uh, learn html and wikicode. Then, you use that knowledge to write a nice template. There's no "way" to tell you how to make one. I told you to look at your current one's source wikicode and use a table to make a similar template. Short of me just making a new one for you, I have no idea how further to explain this to you. If you do not know much html and/or wikicode at all, you can't do it. If you do know html and wikicode, then you can easily figure it out by looking at an example (your current one). / ƒETCH COMMS  /  03:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm in the process of learning HTML (I'll do it later). One more question when you use friendly for a talkback and use the orange bar instead of a normal talkback; how do you do that I don't see the option in my friendly menu? -- Inka 888 Come yell at me! 03:41, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I use a custom talkback template, User:Fetchcomms/tb3. See my vector.js for my personalized Twinkle script. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  03:43, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikify October 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive
Hello, you have been sent this notification because your name appears on the list of participants for the WikiProject Wikify October 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive yet you have not had any wikified articles.

Regards,

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of WikiProject Wikify at 05:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC).

St. Louis and Kansas City as Featured Articles
Greetings fetchcomms. This is Jordan again. I just want to ask you if the St. Louis and Kansas City article are close to feature article status. If no how can I contribute to it. Also I have just created Almost five St. Louis Working groups and for some reason, I can't get the category on the template to appear. How do you solve this problem? Please get back to me.(Jordan S. Wilson (talk) 19:10, 8 October 2010 (UTC))
 * St. Louis, Missouri and Kansas City, Missouri are not ready to become featured articles or good articles yet. There is a lot of work to be done with them. The most important thing right now, I think, is to remove any trivial or unimportant/irrelevant information, make sure the article is organized in a good way, and then make sure that all of the information is attributed to a reliable source. After that, I would go for a copyedit to check for spelling, grammar, etc. and then ask for more suggestions at the peer review page before nominating for good article/featured article status.

For the categories, I updated Template:WikiProject St. Louis, so they should now show up. Hope this helped! / ƒETCH COMMS  /  23:54, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay I see so it will be a long time before those articles are considered featured articles. we may have to be thorough on some of the sections. Well thanks for the heads up. Do you mind me asking that do you have a Flickr account. I also have a flickr account. Can you take pictures of Some of St. Louis Metro Transit please? (Jordan S. Wilson (talk) 04:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC))
 * I have a Flickr account here, but I am not able to take pictures of transit. However, I found many good pictures on Flickr by others:, , , , , , , , , , , and . If you need help uploading any to Wikimedia Commons, just let me know and I'll take care of it! / ƒETCH COMMS  /  22:25, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Type message title here
THENEW M O NO  20:36, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

It's official
You're better then me :| I have to go learn new div commands to catch up =) Res Mar 03:15, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol. Where did I excel? :P / ƒETCH COMMS  /  03:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * In obsessively perfecting your userpage(s) to the point of insanity. Btw, Roux/Mono borrowed your round circle concept. Res Mar 00:25, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, I now have to update my Twitter design :|. Yeah, I noticed Roux's design, which is an interesting use of circles that I never considered. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:29, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Man...how many of those do you have? See, now you're compelling me to drop Signpost duty and writing Axial Seamount just to script something up :L Res</b> Mar 02:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm writing too much stuff now. I have a Windows Phone 7 draft and a Firefox-only iPhone 4 to work on later, too. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  02:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know what to say I'm utterly speechless. The iPhone one really takes the cake and runs with it. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#731A25;">Res</b> Mar 02:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

...But of course, your tactics will not succeed. I can't think of anything right now to do anyway, so back to Wikipedia for me! ^^ <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#731A25;">Res</b> Mar 02:36, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

MO
Thanks for being hard on me. Sometimes a slap in the face is just what I need.

-- Talk tome (Intelati) 04:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hehe. See email. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  22:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Jim Savarino (musician)
 Chzz  ► 04:50, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Mark Setlock
Ok, so I'm no longer the first to jump on the log at 0:00GMT but at least I beat you to the relists today :) However, when closing this one you forgot to remove the tag. When closing an AFD you should check to article to see if there is a rescue tag that needs to be removed as well as making sure the script removed the AFD tag, it doesn't always do it.

On the subject of closing a little early, there have been several AN and DELPRO threads about this issue so when you do the midnight "log jump", only close the "slam-dunkers". Let the "coin flippers" and the "1 voters" tick out the full 168. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:27, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yesterday, I had nothing to do, so I looked at the AfD list (and then I saw I was the only one closing them and thought I had jumped a day early! :P). I'll try to remember to check the tags and stuff, although I always end up deleting more than keeping them, so I forget. Today, I think I only bothered to close the obvious ones, so I'll keep that last bit in mind as well. Thanks for the heads-up! / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:32, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The opposite is true for me. As you know, until recently I could only close "keep" so I learned to check for these things. Another thing that can cross you up is that if an article is moved during the AFD period, then not only do you need to remove the AFD tag manually, you also have to move the oldafdfull tag from the old talk page to the new one because the Zman script doesn't follow redirects. Another thing to check for is this. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:41, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, I've see both of those happen with the script. Annoying, but manually fixing things ensures more accuracy, I suppose. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

AfC
Hello Fetchcomms, may you please take a look at my first AfC review here and make sure I didn't miss anything? Thank you, Airplaneman   ✈  00:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I already did :) The template has some other parameters, which usually would appear when a user submits an article correctly, but as there was no tag on it originally, you don't need to worry because a bot will fix everything sooner or later. There's a script if you want to help out regularly (which you should!) so have fun! / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:56, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks good, but that's really not a hard review at all, as the submission clearly would never make an article. You'll probably want to use the script to speed things up, though. THENEW M O NO   00:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Happy 10/10/10
I suppose I should've timed this message at 10:10:10 too, but frankly, I can't be arsed. You know how it is.

Did you know... that tenten in Japaense writing are a little wiggly thing, a bit like a quotation-mark, which makes e.g. "ka" (か) into 	"ga" (が) or "fu" (ふ) into "bu" (ぶ) ?

So, take time out to have a bit of a giggle.

All the best, and 10-10 'till we do it again.  Chzz  ► 08:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about that at... 1:30 p.m. today. So I was late in remembering :( / ƒETCH COMMS  /  19:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

A quick look, if you have the time
If you have the time, could you please take a quick look at the Neil Carlill article that I am writing here and possibly provide any comments that might help me to improve the article prior to submission? Thank you for any help. Doc2234 (talk) 15:56, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems generally OK, although there are some paragraphs without any references/sources in them. It might be easier if you create the draft article in a separate page under your username (maybe User:Doc2234/draft) so you use your user talk page just for others to leave messages to you. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  19:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your thoughts! I will move the article over to a separate page. In some cases, I am writing what I know, and what fits in my view as a logical story, and then trying to find references. If I do not find references for certain paragraphs, I will either modify them for references that I do find, or leave them out when I submit. Thank you again for the review.Doc2234 (talk) 20:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Help on Tables
Please see my hypothetical example below. Is there a way to take two separate sortable tables and "stack" them, one on top of the other? (So that, really, it is one big table that is an aggregation of two smaller sortable tables.) In the example below, there are 12 rows (and 5 columns). Above Row #1, I would want to add a new row as a header entitled "These are the AM Stations". And in between Row #6 and Row #7, I would want to add a new row as a header entitled "These are the FM Stations". But, I still would want the AM stations sortable in the top half ... and the FM stations sortable in the bottom half. But, I would want this all as one large table, instead of two separate tables. Is this at all possible? If so, how do I do that? The charts below are just a hypothetical example, to illustrate what I want to do. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC))


 * See my change below. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much! That was a HUGE help!  Thank you!   (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:12, 11 October 2010 (UTC))
 * No problem. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:16, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Huh?
Should I be concerned? I'm not sure what to do in this case. :/-- Talk tome (Intelati) 02:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Revert all their edits to talk pages and leave them a note explaining how talk pages are used. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  02:36, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Previous IP: . Please check those edits, too. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  02:36, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Already ✅? -- Talk tome (Intelati) 02:38, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

closings
As I understand it there is consensus that 7 days = 7 x 24 hours. If you close early, you forclose those people who do follow the rules from participating.  DGG ( talk ) 04:21, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What? I only close obvious decisions on the seventh day... / ƒETCH COMMS  /  14:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don;t think it matters whether it is obvious. If they;re so obvious, give the newest admins a chance to do them.   DGG ( talk ) 03:05, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't get it. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  12:56, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

An update from adopt a user
Hi there ! You may be wondering, what have I done to sound the alarm this time? Nothing. I'm messaging you in regards to the adopt-a-user program, which currently has a backlog of users wishing to be adopted. This doesn't make much sense, as we have a considerable list of users offer adoption, so there shouldn't be any backlog. I've begun to eliminate this backlog myself through a matching program, but I need your help to make it work. Of course, adoptees and adopters don't have to go through there, but I believe it helps eliminate the backlog because someone is actively matching pairs.

On the list of adopters, I have modified the middle column to say "Interests." It's easier working with other users that have similar interests, so if it's not too much to ask, could you add your interests in the middle column? For example, if I was interested in hurricanes, computers, business, and ... reptiles? I would place those in the middle column. Counter-vandalism and the like can also be included (maintenance should be used as the general term). The more interests, the better, since adoptees can learn more about you and choose the one they feel most comfortable working with. The information about when you're most active and other stuff can go into the "Notes" section to the right.

Finally, I've gone around and asked adoptees (and will in the future) to fill in a short survey so adopters can take the initiative and contact users they feel comfortable working with. We all know that most adoptees just place the adopt me template on their user page and leave it - so it's up to us to approach them and offer adoption. So, please take a look at the survey, adopt those that fit your interests, and maybe watchlist it so you can see the interests of adoptees and adopt one that fits your interests in the future.

Once again, thank you for participating in the adopt-a-user program! If you wish to respond to this post, please message me on my talk page.

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of Netalarm (talk) at 05:15, 11 October 2010 (UTC).

About vandalism
Was this edit unconstructive?  Wayne Olajuwon  chat   14:19, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  14:20, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I should have never made that mistake because I have used Huggle only for almost a month.  Wayne Olajuwon  chat   14:24, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Questions
1: When did you become an administrator?

2: Do you know any semi-protected articles that are prone to vandalisim because I need something to do on here?

Thanks Pretend that a smilie face is here because I don't know how to make one --Thebirdlover (talk) 00:56, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * July.
 * Semi'd articles don't get much vandalism. If you're bored, see this page, this page, or write an article. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  12:56, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

A lot of barnstar's
I didn't really want to write anything but I wasn't able to get it to just be the awards. --Thebirdlover (talk) 01:16, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

--Thebirdlover (talk) 01:11, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I would prefer not to accept these unless you can point out a specific reason behind each one. Barnstars shouldn't be dished out by the handful, they should be given on an appropriate occasion. If you want to give me a star, please tell me why. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  12:53, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit War Luis_Muñoz_Marín_International_Airport and London Gatwick Airport please Semi-protect
Edit wars on both pages on the same thing, by the same IP's. Semi protect is needed, after that I will take care of what needs to be there. Thankyou. T ofutwitch11 ''' (T ALK ) 01:14, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The correct place is WP:RFPP. I don't have time to examine the situation, but I noticed that you haven't taken care of telling the IPs to use a talk page in order to discuss changes. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:18, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I have made posts on their talk pages, this will not be solved unless they are not involved....we'll tryo WP:RFPP. Sorry. T ofutwitch11 ''' (T ALK ) 01:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:USPP thanks you! And hopes you come back!
Fetchcomms, thanks for contributing to article assessment in WP:USPP. Your continued involvement would be very appreciated. There is a second assessment request posted. There will be weekly updates about the research for this project posted here, look for the first one tomorrow. The next assessment request will come in early November. There is a lot of expertise and discussion about article quality happening in the project, so if you have any thoughts on the metric, or any ideas keeping project research exciting please let me know. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 01:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Gustavo1997, again
Please block (liked the name haha)... --Diego Grez (talk) 01:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Based on global contribs, you should have a steward block him globally and delete that all that new Hebe Camargo spam. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  02:07, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Tagged some for deletion. --Diego Grez (talk) 02:09, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ locked the account. Cheers, --Diego Grez (talk) 02:16, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! / ƒETCH COMMS  /  03:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/NSFW. A hunter shoots a bear!
This looked like a "delete" to you and at first glance it looked like a "delete" to me. Imagine my surprise when this AFD was used as a question in a recent RFA and the candidate said he'd keep it. Taking another look at it, it looks like the keepers were making a decent case. Maybe that's why Cirt relisted it a second time.

When an admin re-relists what looks like a slam dunk "keep" or "delete" it gives me pause. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 04:21, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The relist was done in response to the sources mentioned, but I don't think it's completely correct to discard the opinions of the delete commenters. I'm assuming that they had searched, and found some of the links presented, but didn't consider that enough for notability. Actually, I'm not sure why I didn't close as no consensus right now (although I think Cirt relisted it again because he reversed his earlier delete decision after request). If you think it would be appropriate, I'll go ahead and undelete the article and relist it again or something that would be faster than DR (just as Courcelles and Cirt did). / ƒETCH COMMS  /  16:58, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

what is wrong with this code
I tried to use it for my signature and it won't work. It says it's invalid. Click edit to see the code I n k a 8 8 8 <sup style="color:black;">Contribs Talk

Inka <sup style="color:black;">888 <sup style="color:#228b22;">Come yell at me! 19:20, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Font tags are evil. But that's not prohibited, so the issue is, I believe, a misplaced sup tag. I think I have fixed it; see above. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  20:57, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * It still says it's invalid. Is the code too long? -- Inka <sup style="color:black;">888 <sup style="color:#228b22;">Come yell at me! 21:38, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's under 255, so it should be fine. Try it now, you forgot to close a tt tag, too. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  21:41, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- I n k a 8 8 8 <sup style="color:black;">Contribs Talk  21:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Test edit
I put "helpme" on a sandbox page as I wanted to see how editors are able to find that page when "helpme" is added (the answer is that it puts one into a category). Sorry, I should have pointed out on the page that it was a test edit. ScottyBerg (talk) 01:54, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. You can always look at the template's base code, too. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:57, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I tried to do something approximating that, but couldn't find the right page. ScottyBerg (talk) 02:04, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ike Robin
Hello, your nomination of Ike Robin at DYK was reviewed and comments provided. --NortyNort (Holla) 09:35, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Did you know about this nomination.--NortyNort (Holla) 03:03, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, Fetchcomms! Hopefully it'll be sorted.  Chzz  ► 06:39, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique
Hi, from some other articles that I have watchlisted I saw that you removed the links to INRA, because is had been speedily deleted as spam. INRA is a rather big research agency here in France and absolutely notable. I never saw that article, I think, and I don't doubt that it was overly promotional, but perhaps you can userfy it to my user space? I'd like to see whether I can perhaps make something useful out of it and it might be easier to pare this one down than to start from scratch (or course, sometimes the latter just is better). Thanks! --Crusio (talk) 08:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I think you may be better off starting from scratch; the article contains mainly copyvios from several different pages on the INRA site, which is probably why it read so spammy. I can't restore copyvios onwiki, but I can email you the contents if you want. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  12:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I see, OK. No, don't bother then, I can find the INRA pages myself. :-) Thanks! --Crusio (talk) 13:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

User uploading non-free images
User Rizzoli Isles, formerly Langston Bonasera - was reported and repeatedly counseled about doing this. After about 6 weeks, he has uploaded another image, and after it was tagged & removed, simply uploaded it again. You had left a message he would be blocked on both accounts for doing this if he did it again. Would you please check on this? Thank you. Trista (cannot log in at work) 24.176.191.234 (talk) 18:19, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. You're looking for, who left him that warning, not me. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  20:40, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Apologies for that - I clicked from the Admin list, and was one line off. Problem was resolved anyway. Sorry for taking up your time while you tried to figure out what the heck I wanted from you. Cheers! Trista 24.176.191.234 (talk) 22:37, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Put messages at the bottom, like the directions state
I'd like to comment on your deletion of the Lucy Mangan article.

This article was listed for deletion in AFD in bad faith by an administrator who had a personal beef with me over a comment I made on an article talk page that was directed at his recent edits on the page and decided to plaster it with boxes, stalk my page for any further comments and so on.

I believe This Wikipedia admin User:Toddst1 is violating WP:GAME (by following the rules to their advantage when they feel like it) and WP:ADMIN (by personally involving themselves e.g. making AFD's out of spite (as already suggested) and blocking me because I disagreed with their behaviour) and WP:HA by Wikihounding. For example, despite it being very early in the morning, this administrator made a knee-jerk reaction when I posted something on my userspace User Talk:Badanagram disagreeing with his tactics. The fact that this admin did this within minutes of my response shows that this admin was actively toting for a reason to block me whilst giving the impression to others that this was passive.

I know that I probably cannot ask for this article to be put back - but I would like someone to review the Admins recent decisions made and also make the admin community aware of his over-the-top behaviour in relation to an isolated incident that only required a deletion of the comment in this instance. Instead this admin decided that I had sockpuppets, I had created my IP address to be abusive to him (one comment) and making AFD listings on one of my articles, blocking my IP, making boxes linking ALL my identities DESPITE my change of name request being accepted for very good reason then changing his reasons for the block when he realised it was too weak - to add insult to injury the admin bullied me in to accepting some kind of deal on my userpage  as if he was some kind of LAPD cop!

This admin is completely over the top in exercising his admin tools and I do not beleive he is fit to hold these tools if he continues to abuse them in this manner. Behaviour like this will make most casual editors like myself beleive that Wikipedia is nothing more than a meritocracy Badanagram (talk) 18:51, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Put new messages at the bottom of my talk page. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  20:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you should forget about this issue and move on. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  20:43, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for that - I think it looks fine with the field used, and without. :) (that was one of the only combinations I didn't try, lol!) Is there a general place to go for template fixing help? --Malkinann (talk) 21:44, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. For help, you can try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Templates, WP:VPT, or find a complex template, look in the history, and see what user seems to understand what he/she is doing :) / ƒETCH COMMS  /  21:55, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * See now, I did manage to do that for the speaker and position entries (look and copy), but couldn't manage it for jurisdiction... Ah well. Next time I'll know to go to wikiproject templates or the technical village pump.  Thanks again. :) --Malkinann (talk) 22:10, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Ike Robin
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 00:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Deletion page of K.V.Dominic
I found you have deleted the page created by me for K.V.Dominic. He is a reputed living writer of India English Writing. He has published nine books, innumerable articles, both critical and creative. He is also the chief editor of a journal IJPCL ( Indian Journal of Post Colonial Literature). I think such personality should possess a calibre to enlist in Wikipedia. If the article on him needs any more addition to cope with Wikipedian Category, it should be tagged with a comment. But I don't think deletion is theonly way to clean up any article. I hope you should again post it with any suggestive comment tag for clean up. Thanks for your effort for Wiipedia.Kanu786 (talk) 01:07, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I deleted the page because this discussion unanimously resulted in a consensus to delete it. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:11, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Double trouble

 * Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Spoons_%28Gobots%29.

This is the first time I have seen a closer double close himself :) --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


 * That was entertaining, watching you try and figure out exactly what you were linking to. :) Not to be mean, or anything.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:57, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The AFD in question was transcluded twice, Fetch closed it twice and I pasted the link in twice. Lather, rinse, repeat. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


 * : )  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:01, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Fixed. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:05, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oopsies. I went through all those Gobots ones sorta fast because they all had the same comments :P / ƒETCH COMMS  /  02:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

AFD for article Turbo (Gobots)
I wanted to point out that I added some references to the article Turbo (Gobots) after the nomination, and the original nominator agreed that it proved the character was more notable than he thought and he revoked his nomination. Most of the votes to merge it also took place before I added the references. It really should stay now that the nominator is happy that the reason it was nominated has been fixed. Mathewignash (talk) 16:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It appears that you added the refs before several other redirect !votes were given at the AfD (I wouldn't say "most" of them occurred before you added refs). Although the nom seems to have withdrawn, the redirect opinions still stand. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  20:22, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

According to the time stamp I added the last new ref at 17:20 on the 10th of October. After that time only ONE redirect vote occured. With me and the nominator voting to keep the article now, that's 2 keep and 1 Redirect. Mathewignash (talk) 23:25, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm. my timestamps are coming out weird, then. When did the nominator agree to keep? He only withdrew the nom; that could mean neutral. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:07, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The original nominator and I have been trying to restore the article, but others have been saying it was found to be merged by you so it has to stand. With the original nominator for deletion working to keep the article, and admitting he was mistaken in nominating the article of a noteworthy character, can we restore it now? If someone wants to make a legitimate nomination for deletion, that's fine. Mathewignash (talk) 09:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Legitimate or not, everyone else at the discussion asked for a merge/redirect. I can't simply discard their opinions right now, as redirecting doesn't mean keeping the content, so withdrawing the nomination doesn't change anything. Is there any reason a merge of the material is unacceptable for you two? Everyone else seemed to think that was a good idea. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  23:33, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Since the article was changed to a merge I hgave added more citations from third party sources. Can the article be considered under those please? Thanks. Mathewignash (talk) 00:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoever supported a redirect at the AfD after those sources were added obviously didn't think they were sufficient... I mean, there was pretty clear consensus at the AfD to redirect the article. Why, I am asking again, is redirecting/merging not good enough for you? / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Because the entire nomination was a mistake. The nominator meant to get rid of the MINOR characters from the Gobot series and redirect them to the main Gobots page - he nominated a bunch of minor characters who I supported the redirects for, this was the only one I opposed. He mistakenly added the AFD to Turbo's page, but Turbo was one of the main characters of the series, in every episode - he's had numerous mentions in outside media. I know the page initially lacked third party sources, but I have since added several of them, I believe enough to prove that the character is notable. Most people voted to redirect, I believe, based on it being grouped with a bunch of non-notable characters from the same show, and the false assertion in it's nomination of being a non-notable character. Mathewignash (talk) 07:49, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, OK. I'm not really stopping you right now, so go ahead and if someone re-nominates it for AfD, do tell me and I'll try to help sort it out. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  02:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Mathewignash (talk) 00:01, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique
Hi, why did you delete Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique ? If you look at the list of contributors, you surely can't be accusing all of them of collaborating in a five year exercise to promote INRA, an organisation which has no need for promotion given it has no funding concerns. John Vandenberg (chat) 03:18, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, a lot of people think that by providing more information (often unintentionally promotional in tone), they are helping. Here, much of the article contained copyvios. Also, the last clean version still reads fairly promotional. I thought it may have been easier to blow it up and start over, and if you look above, has already expressed interest in recreating it. If you wish to aid him, please go right ahead; I was going to create it myself if no one did after a while. / ƒETCH  COMMS  /  03:26, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't subscribe to the essay written by user:A Man In Black (RIP); it isn't a nice reason to delete the article created by . As for the copyvio's they were introduced by, which is an IP owned by INRA.  We could either restore the version prior to the 'copyvio', or email INRA to confirm the free license for those edits. John Vandenberg (chat) 03:49, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Free license or not, the copyvio stuff was still promotional and unencyclopedic in tone. I personally believe that a redlink to the INRA page means someone will be willing to recreate a quality article, not wait around for the license to be confirmed for material that will need to be reworded later to be NPOV, anyway. If there's no article at all, someone will be motivated to make a new stub in 10 minutes and we'd be back to where we were before. Or, we could deal with fixing a bunch of POV stuff taken from a primary source (but no one will bother to do anything except tag it). / ƒETCH COMMS  /  12:56, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't need to wait, or write a new stub; the content of the revisions tainted with the copyvio (2008-05-27T13:12:57-present) can be revdel'd. Then the visible history remains as it should; attributing the people who put their time into building this topical area five years ago. John Vandenberg (chat) 22:02, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * And we'd still end up with a new, clean current-revision-copy, right? (The last clean copy is still not NPOV.) If I'm understanding you correctly, I'll go ahead and do that. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea, after restoring the article, everything based on 'top' of the contribs by 138.102.135.242 would need to be removed, and then revdel applied to all edits from the copyvio to the second last edit. Or you can simply roll back to 2008-05-27T13:12:57 and we'll add back a few of the edits since then like interwikis. John Vandenberg (chat) 00:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Done, I think. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:07, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've restored the rest and applied WP:RevDel to the copyvio revisions. John Vandenberg (chat) 01:39, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Mentor
Hi, fetchcomms, I'm looking for a mentor. I'm part of the WikiProject United States Public Policy comprised of graduate students across the United States who will be adding to the public policy knowledge available on Wikipedia. I'm at Indiana University and my class is focusing on local economic development.

Thanks!

Speon (talk) 12:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Speon! I'd be happy to be your mentor, so consider yourself "mentorized" :) One note: when you make a new post on a talk page (such as this page), use the "Add topic" button at the top (next to edit) to make a new section, so it is separate from earlier threads like the one above. Cheers, / ƒETCH COMMS  /  12:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Kcahlber
Thanks! Yes, I'm mentoring Kcahlber. For Syracuse coordination, one thing you could do is try to make sure all the possible DYKs happen, and remind mentors to help the mentees get there.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 12:32, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! / ƒETCH COMMS  /  12:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

YGM
regarding our valuable contributor. THE M O NO ™ 04:04, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Hi Fetchcomms! First, I do not know if I am replying to your message correctly... I hope that I am, though! No, I do not yet have a mentor. With how busy things have been around campus, I must admit that I have not gotten to that step. So yes, please, sign me up as an apprentice! I believe our final draft is to be submitted on October 28, so I clearly have some more substantive work to do as well as some (re)formating. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nerdpenguin (talk • contribs) 16:41, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, you replied fine! I'm not sure what your class is doing regarding article reviews, but I can leave some comments on your pre-final-draft article if you would like (reply here). / ƒETCH COMMS  /  19:35, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Opps! I did not sign in.... Nerdpenguin (talk) 16:44, 20 October 2010 (UTC) I am nerdpenguin and I was replying to your message on my "my talk" page re the wiki public policy initiative on the NDP in Egypt.
 * No problem :) / ƒETCH COMMS  /  19:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

ANI
Hi, On ANI you comment "Too many controversial edits this frequently?" I would be interested to know which edits you find controversial, and how frequent you think they are. Rich Farmbrough, 23:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC).


 * I was referring to this being the second or third time you have been the subject of an ANI discussion within the past few weeks. If people have to continually discuss the changes you make at ANI, I would think something is wrong. Also, weren't you recently blocked for something of this nature? You were unblocked after having agreed to discuss your edits; now you are back at ANI again. I would have thought that you would discuss your changes to avoid another ANI thread, too. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:02, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Mt --> Mount Gabi
Thanks for getting that. I was actually making the same edit and was surprised that the page existed when I hit click. You work fast. Now, of course, it's going to be a bit harder to finish the closing, but I can do the last two steps the long way. I would have had to anyways, I suppose. Thanks again, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  02:55, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * You can try this script to help. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  02:59, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * What exactly does it do? Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  03:02, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * It makes it quite a bit easier to decline, accept, place a hold on, comment on, or mark a submission as being reviewed. It speeds up the closure of redirect requests, as well. When looking at a request page, a tab will appear at the top saying "review". Try it out; it's pretty simple.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 04:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Can someone help me actually make it work. (i.e. tell me how to do it?) Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  05:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, so in your skin's js page, add . Then, bypass your cache, and you should see either a new tab or a new drop-down menu choice saying "Review". Click on that when looking at an AfC page, and then you'll see a box come up at the top with choices of how to review the article, plus a comment box. / ƒETCH  COMMS  /  02:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

How's your Online Ambassador experience going so far?
Hi ,

We're starting to get into the busy part of the semester for Online Ambassadors, and we want to check in and see how you're doing, what your opinions about where we are now, and any feedback you may have.

Please answer these questions either on my talk page or send them to me by email.

1. How many mentees are you currently working with?

2. Have you reached out to students who don't have mentors yet? If not, would you be willing to?

3. What do you think of the content of messages on the Google Group?

4. What do you think of the volume of messages on the Google Group?

5. Do you participate on the Google Group much? If not, what would make you participate more?

6. Are there any problems you've experienced so far?

7. Is there anything else Sage or the rest of the Public Policy Initiative team could do to make your experience as an Online Ambassador better?

8. Are you okay sharing your username with your answers to our Public Policy Initiative team, or would you prefer to remain anonymous?

Thanks for your feedback! --Ldavis (Public Policy) (talk) 19:24, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Reference problem with edit war
Hi Fetchcomms, I recently added information to the Steve Ferrone and Warren Cuccurullo pages sourced from Modern Drummer magazine. The information about their having formed a group was sourced from a late September Modern Drummer Web News update. When I sourced the information, I added the retrieval date in my annotation of the reference. It is apparent that Modern Drummer revises information on their Web News update page without revising the URL. The information about their group has been just recently replaced. I am trying to source another good reference to cover the group. I am also currently involved in an edit war on both pages with an unregisterd reader/editor who is deleting the information. I have asked that the unregistered reader/editor discuss the issue on the talk pages before making any further edits. I would like to know if my reference with the retrieval date is still proper, although that information may no longer be available. (I have a copy of the full posting at that time, and I have removed the URL from the reference on both pages.) Also, if the reader/editor does not discuss the issue and continues to edit war, can his activity be curtailed so that I may search without distraction for another source this weekend? Doc2234 (talk) 03:04, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The reference should be valid still. You might consider looking at the Web Archive for a copy of the page, too. What you need to do is just talk to the other user on his/her talk page, and show them your saved copy if needed. If they still refuse to believe you, post at the article talk page asking for outside opinions. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  18:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the advice. I tried the Way Back archive, however, it appears that the September Modern Drummer page is too recent for them. I will try to email Modern Drummer and see what they may be able to do. I would like to keep the quote from the Modern Drummer article in my page edits. The reader/editor's edits to both pages have come from two separate raw IP addresses. He has not responded yet today. I have also found other references that I can use to substantiate the existence of the collaboration, and I will be entering the best of those as a back-up sometime this weekend. Thanks for the help. Doc2234 (talk) 19:39, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The reader/editor has continued to undo my edit without discussing as I requested. I posted a recap of the activity on the Warren Cuccurullo talk page. Please advise if any action should be taken such as protecting the two pages for a short time period. Doc2234 (talk) 02:07, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The reader/editor has posted on both talk pages and I have responded on both talk pages. Hopefully, I can find time to add more material tomorrow. thank you for your help, once again. Doc2234 (talk) 02:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Move
moved Margareth Tomanek W55 Record to Template:Margareth Tomanek W55 Record [without redirect] (AN request)

Thank youTrackinfo (talk) 19:00, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  19:10, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Modilo
Alright so there are references, but are they actually legit references? One of them is just it's location on google maps, another is a truck show page, and another is an internet radio. Not sure about the other one, but most of the references are bs, I think the deletion request should be reinstated, what do you think?NexCarnifex (talk) 00:07, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What you need to do is go to Articles for deletion and nominate it. I just removed the proposed deletion notice after skimming through some other sources online; it still has a pretty fair chance of getting deleted via the Articles for deletion process. I'm neutral if you nominate it. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Are you going to go edit the article to make it verifiable then? Since from what I know and what other people will, it's not notable and to top it looks like garbage. I don't know how to use the Afd process.NexCarnifex (talk) 00:34, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I nominated the article for deletion in your behalf. See here. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank youNexCarnifex (talk) 00:50, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

"File:Rajni-with-Kalignar.JPG
Hi, recently I found this image was deleted. Plz I do not understand what the point behind this !! My friend this image has high significance to the article -- "Rajinikanth" in para "Politics". We/myself as a true wikipedian after researching many times whether an image will be suitable to an article based on merit only, we upload it. I beleive Our efforts must be given some consideration. Constantly reviewing it as an violation of non-free media is not fair and by itself it violates. Please see that, this image was a published one in news-article in 1996. It deserves the mention there. Reviewers please do take care more on these kind of images which has high significance and done neutral way to make the article more informative & complete.

Point is wiki - over a period of time has to grow, and article construction also need to grow. So it should be allowed if done a good work satisfying it rules. I did a good work there. Please reload it.

--Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 03:32, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I cannot understand well what you are saying, but the image violates our non-free content policy, and had to be deleted. Wikipedia has to grow – with free content. I don't think you understand the non-free content policy; you did not address the issue:

There is no critical commentary of the image itself in the article. If anything a fair use image of "Rajinikanth riding a bicycle from the film Annamalai" would make much more sense as it is discussed in the article.

As such fails NFCC 8 as the image does nothing to aid in understanding the text it is supposedly representing and NFCC 1 as the subjects are still living.
 * The image was deleted per the proper process. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  03:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
<span style="border:3px solid grey;background:black;padding:1px;color:gold;text-shadow:white 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"> Ⓢ ock   22:49, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
 Nolelover  It's football season! 04:48, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Another one. :)  Nolelover  It's football season! 05:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback at Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/2010 ArbCom election voting procedure
Ged UK  09:28, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Arbitration Committee Elections December 2010/Coordination
Hi there. I am interested in volunteering at the Arbitration elections, mostly out of a desire to help Wikipedia, but also out of an intellectual curiosity spurred on my my academic training in political science. I have three questions.
 * 1) Am I elegible to join (I'm not an admin, but I am an editor in good standing)
 * 2) Is it too late to join (The elections are only what, a month away)
 * 3) If I can join, what still needs to be done.

Please use a talkback to inform me if you respond.

Thanks, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  22:39, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * IDK, but the page says "If you want to help just add your name below", so I'm going with yes.
 * IDK also, but it won't hurt to sign up.
 * IDK again; based on the checklist on that page, "Call for candidates" is the only thing left that's not done. But I don't know when that's scheduled to be announced.
 * Basically, I have no clue and I don't know what I'm supposed to do, either. Maybe ask Skomorokh for the full details. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  23:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yo chaps, going to answer you all here. What we need to do as coordinators is make the show run smoothly. That principally involves:
 * Monitoring the ongoing RfC and implementing its consensus with as little friction as possible.
 * Setting up and monitoring the required candidate pages.
 * Quickly and accurately responding to any questions and problems raised at the election talkpage [this is the main job].
 * Identifying and stopping disruption [mostly in the form of inappropriate commentary and questions from voters, edit warring and so on].
 * Take a look at the archives of last year at WT:ACE2009 to get an idea of what's in store. Thanks for signing up!  Skomorokh   23:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clearing this up. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  23:40, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Discussion Moved
Not that I don't like Fetchcomms, but coordinating outselves on his talk page might not be the best idea. I looted the relivent material from his page and set up a workspace for us at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2010/Coordination. I do believe we should keep our future communications there, or elsewhere in "Wikipedia:" space, for transparency, posterity, and efficiency reasons. Sven Manguard <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  01:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call Skomorokh's response actual coordination, but I don't really care where the discussion is copied. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:32, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Quotation from reference no longer available on internet
Hi Fetchcomms, This relates to my "Reference problem with edit war" post a few sections above. History - In an edit, I used a quote from a reference that showed the quote, and I linked to the site and identified a retrieval date in my reference annotation. The quote was taken from a news posting. The administrator of that referenced news posting page subsequently deleted the information including the quote, and provided new information on the page (exact same URL). The administrator does not maintain any archive of the old information (per my discussion with their site administrator.) I searched an archive internet page site and found no alternate source to use for a link. I subsequently have removed the link to the site in my reference, but have kept the quote in the text, along with the reference showing the source and retrieval date. Question - Can I maintain the quote as I originally wrote the edit with my reference as it is currently displayed, or should I delete the quote and the reference? The reference is reference 2. on the Steve Ferrone page. (I have a personal copy of the page as it was when it was a valid reference.) Doc2234 (talk) 23:22, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It should be fine. That's the point of an access date—in case the content of that webpage changes later. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:06, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Doc2234 (talk) 01:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Translation Help
Hey Fetchcomms, the- from IRC referred me to your http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fetchcomms/fr page saying you were looking for help in translating the article. I myself am interested in updating an English language article using info from the equivalent French language article, and was looking for guidance on how to go about it (hence the visit to IRC). I have read the Wikipedia:Translation page, but as a relative newbie (whose only edits so far have been minor spelling/grammar changes), I was hesitant to tackle such a project on my own. I would be glad to help out with the translation of the Meat Preservation article (although I must admit, that some of the french terms have got me stumped as to a translation), and would very much appreciate your guidance in how to go about translating another article. Let me know how I can help. Joe Cotugno (talk) 03:56, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi! I don't know what article you want to translate, but the process is relatively simple:
 * If the corresponding English article does not exist here, create a short stub ("Something is a [whatever] thing.") If the English article already exists, but the French article contains more information, go to step 2.
 * Gradually translate the French content into English, and just add it to the English article. As long as the translation is understandable, there should be no issues on this step.
 * Make sure you translate the references, as well. You can also add additional references not from the French article, as well as any additional information, during the translation.
 * Add translated page to the talk page of the English article. This is required for copyright reasons, and the instructions on how to use it are at Template:Translated page.
 * As for the meat preservation article I am working on, I think I am doing fine right now (and I have some things I will need to fundamentally change later on), so I'm OK there. Thanks for the offer, and I hope my tips here help! / ƒETCH COMMS  /  18:13, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tips, Fetchcomms! I am going to give it a try with the Brother Andre page. The french version has tons more info than the english one. Joe Cotugno (talk) 07:11, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

 * Okay thanks for the link :) I haven't looked at it yet, but I'll try to think of some kind of solution if possible. Thanks again! See you around! :) -- Addi hockey  10 e-mail 22:35, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Mmm, good argument. I see what you mean and has changed my views. Thanks again :) -- Addi hockey  10 e-mail 22:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Klhrdy (talk) 14:26, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

mentor
Hi fetchcomms, how are you today? I was hoping that you would be my mentor in the final weeks of our wikipedia public policy initiative. A final draft should be available in my sandbox tomorrow morning, and I've already gotten a substantial start. My sandbox is the place to be! Thank you! Nerdpenguin (talk) 21:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I am glad to be your mentor, and I will look over your draft soon. Cheers, / ƒETCH COMMS  /  22:21, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Happy Fetchcomms's Day!
For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it.

For a user ribbon you can use, see <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 00:02, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank youuu! / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I would have to agree with that. ;)-- Talk ToMe cintel ati 02:53, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Thermization
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 18:04, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

thanks for mentoring me!
Hi fetchcomms, The 12th amendment stuff was just so I could practice putting things in wikipedia format. I'm putting the workforce development article on wikipedia now and two of my classmates are planning on filling the holes. I know the article is probably considered a stub as-is but we should be working on it more this week. Thanks, Speon (talk) 05:26, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Seelbach Hotel
Hello! Your submission of Seelbach Hotel at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:18, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Help
Re. DYK for Jameela Jamil

Please, try to help sort that out.

I really really am 'away' now; but it's a shame if that does not make DYK.  Chzz  ► 18:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

De-Ba'athification Article
Hey Fetchcomms! I just wanted to say thank you for cleaning up the references section and the article article in general. It looks a whole lot better! Amfarr21 (talk) 19:10, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem :) It looks really great, it really does. If you have time, I hope you nominate it for good article status. Some minor suggestions for the future: on section headings in articles, only capitalize the first word (i.e., "Goal of policy" rather than "Goal of Policy") but still capitalize proper nouns in headings ("Transfer of authority from Coalition Provisional Authority to Iraqi Interim Government" is fine). I fixed some of these in the article but didn't get to all of them, so you might want to go back for that whenever you have some time (it's not a big deal). Also, when you have (even more) time, you can go back to the "References" section (the one with the bullet-point list, not the one with ) and embed the links under the titles, like you have under the "Notes" section (so it looks like Title rather than http://example.com). You can, use cite web, cite book etc. for that list, too, if you want to convert that whole list, which will take a while. Again, it's not a big deal, but just something you might want to do later if you think it looks better. Cheers, / ƒETCH COMMS  /  21:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 October newsletter
The 2010 WikiCup is over! It has been a long journey, but what has been achieved is impressive: combined, participants have produced over seventy featured articles, over five hundred good articles, over fifty featured lists, over one thousand one hundred "did you know" entries, in addition to various other pieces of recognised content. A full list (which has yet to be updated to reflect the scores in the final round) can be found here. Perhaps more importantly, we have our winner! The 2010 WikiCup champion is, with an unbelievable 4220 points in the final round. Second place goes to, with 2260, and third to , with 560. Congratulations to our other four finalists –, , and. Also, congratulations to, who withdrew from the competition with an impressive 2685 points earlier in this round.

Prizes will also be going to those who claimed the most points for different types of content in a single round. It was decided that the prizes would be awarded for those with the highest in a round, rather than overall, so that the finalists did not have an unfair advantage. Winning the featured article prize is, for five featured articles in round 4. Winning the good article prize is, for eighty-one good articles in round 5. Winning the featured list prize is, for six featured lists in round 1. Winning the picture and sound award is, for four featured pictures in round 3. Winning the topic award is, for forty-seven articles in various good topics in round 5. Winning the "did you know" award is, for over one hundred did you knows is round 5. Finally, winning the in the news award is, for nineteen articles in the news in round three.

The WikiCup has faced criticism in the last month – hopefully, we will take something positive from it and create a better contest for next year. Like Wikipedia itself, the Cup is a work in progress, and ideas for how it should work are more than welcome on the WikiCup talk page and on the scoring talk page. Also, people are more than welcome to sign up for next year's competition on the signup page. Well done and thank you to everyone involved – the Cup has been a pleasure to run, and we, as judges, have been proud to be a part of it. We hope that next year, however the Cup is working, and whoever is running it, it will be back, stronger and more popular than ever. Until then, goodbye and happy editing! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 03:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Type message title here
Thanks Fetchcomms for your suggestions for my wikipage "Brian Hinman". I have made some updates per your suggestions but need to find some more non-work info. If you have any other suggestions, I'm all ears.

Jamesedwardlong (talk) 20:27, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks Fetchcomms for your help and suggestions for my wikipage "Health Security Express". I have posted more information. Thank you again for your offer. I wish I knew how to use wikipedia better. You guys should offer a class at The Learning Annex for computer dummies like me so we can be more useful and independant :-) HealthSecurityExpressBusTourRider (talk) 23:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Siege of Kandahar
-- Cirt (talk) 00:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

fragmentation of discussion on the latest drama
Hi, thanks for your comment at the AR talk page, Signpost. I'm in between clients on a hectic day. I wonder whether it would be worth providing links to the three related threads at at each of those ?four locations. The plagiarism issue is fundamental, and the DYK thing needs to be cleaned up apart from this incident, IMO. Tony  (talk)  03:32, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was too lazy to go back and find them when I left the comment, but I left links now. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  12:57, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well done, Fc. Tony   (talk)  15:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

__NONEWSECTIONLINK__