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I Hope Like Heck
I didn't know if you were aware that found poetry, the concept behind the anthology has a name and is sufficiently encyclopedic to have its own article ... I have added a link to it in the text. Daniel Case (talk) 02:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh thank you, I didn't know that article (or concept) existed! / ƒETCH COMMS  /  17:15, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 June newsletter
We are half way through 2011, and entering the penultimate round of this year's WikiCup; the semi-finals are upon us! Points scored in the interim (29/30 June) may be counted towards next round, but please do not update your submissions' pages until the next round has begun. 16 contestants remain, and all have shown dedication to the project to reach this far. Our round leader was who, among other things, successfully passed three articles through featured article candidates and claimed an impressive 29 articles at Did You Know, scoring 555 points. Casliber led pool D. Pool A was led by, claiming points for a featured article, a featured list and seven good article reviews, while pool C was led by , who claimed for two good articles, ten articles at Did You Know and four good article reviews. They scored 154 and 118 respectively. Pool B was by far our most competitive pool; six of the eight competitors made it through to round 4, with all of them scoring over 100 points. The pool was led by, who claimed for, among other things, three featured articles and five good articles. In addition to the four pool leaders, 12 others (the four second places, and the 8 next highest overall) make up our final 16. The lowest scorer who reached round 4 scored 76 points; a significant increase on the 41 needed to reach round 3. Eight of our semi-finalists scored at least twice as much as this.

No points were awarded this round for featured pictures, good topics or In the News, and no points have been awarded in the whole competition for featured topics, featured portals or featured sounds. Instead, the highest percentage of points has come from good articles. Featured articles, despite their high point cost, are low in number, and so, overall, share a comparable number of points with Did You Know, which are high in number but low in cost. A comparatively small but still considerable number of points come from featured lists and good article reviews, rounding out this round's overall scores.

We would again like to thank and  for invaluable background work, as well as all of those helping to provide reviews for the articles listed on WikiCup/Reviews. Please do keep using it, and please do help by providing reviews for the articles listed there. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews generally at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup.

Two final notes: Firstly, please remember to state your participation in the WikiCup when nominating articles at FAC. Finally, some WikiCup-related statistics can be seen here and here, for those interested, though it appears that neither are completely accurate at this time. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 23:31, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive invitation
Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 08:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

retired
A user you know, Crazymonkey1123, has retired. You may discuss this on his talk page. Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) T or M/Sign mine 19:09, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * What is the point of this message? If you're really retired, you shouldn't continue editing (or spamming peoples' talk pages with pity party invites). Do you want me to say something about your retirement? What I have to say is that I predict you will return shortly. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  19:13, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

final request
I would like an indef hardblock placed on my account (Account creation blocked, Email blocked). I want talk page access so I can respond to queries on my talk page if I want to. No autoblock disabled. Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) T or M/Sign mine 19:58, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Done, and good luck with RL. It's much more fun than Wikipedia. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  20:21, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Incidents
I have left a comment for you on the incidents noticeboard --Misconceptions2 (talk) 21:53, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Al-Andlusi has responded to the case, but we are not getting anywhere. Please help solve this. --Misconceptions2 (talk) 23:19, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

template
Can you tell me if the new version of the template Hadith authenticity is backed by wikipedia policies. The template recently had a significant change in wording. My concern is that its not backed by wikipedia policies. And al-andalusi was wrong to change the wording --Misconceptions2 (talk) 00:51, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I do not speak for the community. What you need to do is, of course, start a discussion on the template's talk page, and then get consensus for any changes or amendments to the recent rewording. "Backed by Wikipedia policies" is extremely vague and broad, at any rate. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  03:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Misconceptions2
Remember the issue raised yesterday by on WP:ANI which you closed and wrote:


 * "...Instead of having someone remove all the tags and thus begin a massive edit war, please resolve the concerns on the template's talk page. This thread should be considered closed now".

Well, he has reverted everything as if he was given the green light to do so, and has threatened on my TP and other talk pages that any reversal of his actions will be taken to the same board. Please note that I did in fact use the template's talk page before the issue was raised, see Template talk:Campaignbox Campaigns of Muhammad, but more importantly, that this user has a history of getting blocked for edit-warring in Islamic articles and was blocked indefinitely at some point. Thanks. Al-Andalusi (talk) 13:46, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I did in fact use the template's talk page before the issue was raised? But you didn't attempt to discuss the tagging before you began it. Your comment there is dated 21:19, 5 July 2011 (UTC). You began tagging, with no explanation in the edit summary before then (that one is dated 2011-07-05T20:10:47).
 * It does seem better to have the mass-tagging reverted out, and to have the discussion *before* any re-adding occurs William M. Connolley (talk) 14:32, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * In addition, Al-Andalusi, note WP:BRD. If he reverted everything, then oh well, but don't re-revert before consensus is formed. And his block log is irrelevant here. Anyone is free to raise concerns regarding an edit or group of edits. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  17:13, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Chattanooga State Community College article
I plan to revise the Chattanooga State Community College article over the next couple of days based on the feedback I received from you. I believe that we have addressed all the concerns that you expressed and that the article is now thoroughly documented. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you.

Vicky102510 (talk) 18:02, 6 July 2011 (UTC)Vicky102510
 * No problem, Vicky, thank you and the others for taking the time to massively improve the college's article! / ƒETCH COMMS  /  20:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. While I was editing the article, another Wikipedia User put the following at the top of the article:

''This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page.
 * It needs sources or references that appear in third-party publications. Tagged since July 2011.
 * It may be written from a fan's point of view, rather than a neutral point of view. Tagged since July 2011.
 * It may have been edited by a contributor who has a close connection with its subject. Tagged since July 2011.
 * Its introduction may need to be rewritten to comply with Wikipedia's lead section guidelines. Tagged since July 2011''

Do you have any suggestions on how I should proceed from here? Thanks for your help.

Vicky102510 (talk) 14:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)Vicky102510
 * Vicky, here is what I would do:
 * The first concern, regarding sources and references, is due to the majority of references citing the college's own website. While that is OK in certain cases (for noncontroversial information, etc.), secondary sources are usually preferred over primary sources. There are some things in the article (e.g., athletics) that I'm sure news articles could be used as references instead of the college's own website, so I would look for those (and some sections already do cite news articles, so that's good!).
 * The second concern is over the tone/style of the article. I don't think it's too bad, but there are some sections that might include a bit too much trivial detail, e.g., "Student Life assists students with insurance, locker registration, student ID cards, housing, lost and found, and student handbooks. Students are offered opportunities for participation, leadership development, and service learning." Really in most colleges, a student life department (or something similar) will be responsible for those things, so this doesn't really need to be included. In addition, the list of areas of student life don't really need to be in the article—that's something I would expect to see on the college's website, but not in an encyclopedia entry. The casual reader probably does not need to know all the subdepartments and whatnot of each area! Similarly, the list of buildings on the main campus isn't necessary—if someone wants to find out more about the fitness center, for example, they'd probably want to look on the college's website.
 * The third concern is definitely valid, as you are affiliated with the college. However, that doesn't mean the notice will stay on the article forever! I would leave that one there for a little while (maybe a couple of weeks?) in case anyone else has concerns regarding the article so they know that it was written by someone who is connected to the college, and maybe help them make revisions or suggestions. (For the other issues, once you think you have addressed them, feel free to remove that particular notice yourself.)
 * The last concern is pretty easy to address, I think: the introduction, or lead, should summarize what is in the rest of the article; in addition, it should be prose and not in a list format. I would simply ensure that all relevant general information is summarized, and convert the bulleted lists into inline lists (i.e., "Chattanooga State offers 50 career programs, three parallel degrees, ... The college also has corporate training, dual enrollment, ... programs.") In fact, you could do this throughout the rest of the article, too, so everything is prose as I don't see anything that has to be a bulleted list.
 * Hope this helped, and as always, don't hesitate to ask me if you need more advice or clarification. Best, / ƒETCH COMMS  /  16:41, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Check your email.
just sent it. Dougweller (talk) 20:55, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Opposition to the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Real Medicine: Copyright violation cleanup
Hi Fetchcomms!

Well done with the clean-up! Kiefer .Wolfowitz 03:20, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  03:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Citygarden
Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article Citygarden you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Congratulations! The article now has GA status. Puffin  Let's talk!' 13:32, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reviewing the article. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  19:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

PPI Assessment research in FastCompany
Hi Fetchcomms, I wanted to let you know that FactCompany.com reported the Public Policy Initiative research. They noticed all of our hard work on article quality assessment in the fall! And, I presented some preliminary results of the Public Policy Initiative today at the Wikipedia in Higher Education Summit; it was very well received by academics. They were impressed with the rigor of the research and that is due in large part to your efforts. So yet again, Thank YOU! I will keep you posted as I continue to get the results out there. Also, if you would like a token of appreciation (aka Wikipedia swag) send me an email and let me know and I will get a package out to you later this month. all the best, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 02:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Second opinion
Hi Fetchcomms!

Would you look at the talk page of User:Peter G Werner, who has complained about my being uncivil (also on my talk page).

He was the fellow who introduced the extensive paraphrasing of the SPUSA's "history" into the article about the Socialist Party of America: The talk-page of that article has a list of paraphrasing, which seems extensive enough to merit some administrative history blanking (to judge by the outcome of the penultimate RfA).

The slander that some of the "Shachtmanites" were practicing "democratic centralism" was so horrible that I looked for it, and discovered the plagiarism. I believe that it is probably a BLP violation, because Rachelle Horowitz, Joshua Muravchik, Eric Chennoweth, Norm Hill, etc. are still alive.

I have zero tolerance for such slanders, or for plagiarism, or padding one COI/Unreliable/Primary reference with multiple mis-citations of a serious book like Draper's biography of Shachtman. Aristotelian ethics allows indignation (versus slave morality), as does Christian ethics; if WP does not, then you may block me if you feel it's necessary. In any event, I'll take a short WikiBreak now.

(I also did some clean-up at the Socialist Party of the United States of America and at the Socialist Party of Ohio and at Dan La Botz: This and other related articles seemed to have a lot of problems with POV/OR/COI, imho. I did some tagging, and my zeal may have been greater than my judgment a few times. A quick review would be nice.)

Sincerely,  Kiefer .Wolfowitz 13:11, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Kiefer, unfortunately I will be traveling over the next two weeks (and I'll be leaving in about an hour, actually) so I don't want to get involved in this because I probably will not be able to follow up or monitor the situation. If I end up having stable Internet access while I'm away I may take another look but right now, I don't think it would be good to take any administrative actions because if someone challenges it, I probably will not be able to respond for two weeks. Sorry for the inconvenience, and although I hate to do it, I'd suggest asking for an admin's view at ANI for possible cleanup measures. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  17:41, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Fetchcomms!
 * Thanks for your quick reply! I don't see any emergency, now, and I think it's good to let some other who have been active on the page(s) have a look at my recent edits. (I have mentioned to the editor who did the paraphrasing that it's his responsibility to ask for help.)
 * Enjoy your traveling!
 * Best regards, Kiefer .Wolfowitz 17:48, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

A new Good Article

 * Hi Quadell, I am currently about to go traveling for two weeks but I will look into it later. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  18:28, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:17, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for District of Columbia Compensated Emancipation Act
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   08:03, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

My recall
Hello! I've been mulling over criteria for what I feel would be acceptable for recall and I'd like it to where only a select few editors I trust can ask for my recall. I'd like you to be one of those editors. I've outlined the process here. If there is any reason you would not like to be on this list, for example maybe you object to recall or perhaps you don't want to deal with the drama involved, could you please let me know?--v/r - TP 18:40, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with being on the list, thanks for setting up a recall process. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  03:49, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

PPI Summit Research Results
Hi Fetchcomms,

Here is a brief summary of the results from the Wikipedia in Higher Education Summit. Let me know if you would like me to keep you posted as the research results come out. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 22:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

About the CSD tag.
Hey. I'm sorry about the CSD tag that I did two months before. I am trying to still get used the CSD on how it works and how can it be used correctly. I didn't mean to tag that wrong CSD tag.--Damirgraffiti &#124;☺Say Yo to Me!☺   20:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure which one you're referring to. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  22:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I"ll show you,Eriol Hiiragizawa on of the main characters in the Cardcaptor, mast of the Clow, series. He is portrayed as an evil character in the series. In the final book, he is revealed to actually be. That was back in March 15. I tagged it as G1 by mistake. Or I"ll show you this link on my talk page.--Damirgraffiti &#124;☺Say Yo to Me!☺   00:02, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * OK ... well, I'm not sure why you're apologizing now (four months after the tagging) and to me. Ideally, you would be apologizing to the article's creator immediately after realizing it was a mistagging. But whatever, it's time to move on. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

July 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 00:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Pujya Gurudevshri Rakeshbhai Image Deletion
Dear Fetchcomms,

(talk) How's your day been so far?

This is in regards with a photograph that was deleted for lack of licensing. I got the website admin to send an email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org with license granted email. Do you think it's safe to re-upload the photograph or wait for couple of days before reuploading?

Tarak
 * Once the permissions have been confirmed (we are still working with the website administrator at this time) the photo will be undeleted, so it would be best not to re-upload it. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe the matter has been resolved. The image is located here. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  18:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Ambassador Program: assessment drive
Even though it's been quiet on-wiki, the Wikipedia Ambassador Program has been busy over the last few months getting ready for the next term. We're heading toward over 80 classes in the US, across all disciplines. You'll see courses start popping up here, and this time we want to match one or more Online Ambassadors to each class based on interest or expertise in the subject matter. If you see a class that you're interested, please contact the professor and/or me; the sooner the Ambassadors and professors get in communication, the better things go. Look for more in the coming weeks about next term.

In the meantime, with a little help I've identified all the articles students did significant work on in the last term. Many of the articles have never been assessed, or have ratings that are out of date from before the students improved them. Please help assess them! Pick a class, or just a few articles, and give them a rating (and add a relevant WikiProject banner if there isn't one), and then update the list of articles.

Once we have updated assessments for all these articles, we can get a better idea of how quality varied from course to course, and which approaches to running Wikipedia assignments and managing courses are most effective.

--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 17:24, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Hey Fetchcomms. Do your library databases provide access to archives of St. Louis Post-Dispatch and St. Louis Globe-Democrat in the 1940–1985 range? The articles (incomplete list) will be useful for expanding Gateway Arch. Thanks, Goodvac (talk) 21:39, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't have access to the SLPL resources (I don't live in their membership area), but the Globe-Democrat has no online archives that I know of; the only place the physical archives exist is in the Mercantile Library. In addition, according to the Post-Dispatch website, their online archives only go back to 1988. So I think you're out of luck :( unless you can find a university library with extensive archives. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:01, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, no worries. I'll try to find a St. Louisan willing to stop by the Mercantile Library to make copies of the articles. If that's to no avail, then I'll give up. By the way, nice block message and block summary! Goodvac (talk) 18:34, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Nathan2055talk 15:52, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Would appreciate input in an articles for deletion discussion
The article SXC Health Solutions is nominated for deletion (second time in a year, was proposed for deletion about a year ago by the same user who nominated it today). You participated in the discussion last time, would appreciate input again. Here is the deletion discussion.Grmike (talk) 20:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)grmike

email
thou hast – Ling.Nut (talk) 02:42, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 July newsletter
We are half way through the penultimate round of this year's WikiCup; there is less than a month to go before we have our final 8. Our pool leaders are (Pool A, 189 points) and  (Pool B, 165 points). The number of points required to reach the next round is not clear at this time; there are some users who still do not have any recorded points. Please remember to update your submissions' pages promptly. In addition, congratulations to PresN, who scored the first featured topic points in the competition for his work on Thatgamecompany related articles. Most points this round generally have, so far, come from good articles, with only one featured article (White-bellied Sea Eagle, from ) and two featured lists (Hugo Award for Best Graphic Story, from PresN and Grammy Award for Best Native American Music Album, from ). Points for Did You Know and good article reviews round out the scoring. No points have been awarded for In the News, good topics or featured pictures this round, and no points for featured sounds or portals have been awarded in the entire competition. On an unrelated note, preparation will be beginning soon for next year's WikiCup- watch this space!

There is little else to be said beyond the usual. Please list anything you need reviewing on WikiCup/Reviews, so others following the WikiCup can help, and please do help if you can by providing reviews for the articles listed there. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews generally at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup- points are, of course, offered for reviews at GAC. Two final notes: Firstly, please remember to state your participation in the WikiCup when nominating articles at FAC. Finally, some WikiCup-related statistics can be seen here and here. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 11:29, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Request
Sir, please accept my request to vanish, This is my last edit so I must leave the details in your hands. Sincere thanks! My76Strat (talk) 19:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I know My76Strat has the right to vanish if he wants to, but can you, like, take your time with this request? Keepscases (talk) 20:30, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have been, actually, so expect it to take a little time. My76Strat, if you have any other concerns, please also email me. Best, / ƒETCH COMMS  /  20:41, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm going to proceed per email discussion. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  21:49, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you please explain to me what the point is of courtesy blanking the RfA but also providing a link to a secure copy should anyone wish to read it? Malleus Fatuorum 22:36, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't want it to get stuck in the Google cache. I'm not really sure if RfAs are indexed (I found some on Google, but not others, curiously), but this one hasn't been yet. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  22:48, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems a little precious to me. You get a well-deserved spanking at RfA and take it too seriously once again, despite having said explicitly that you've learned the lesson of "no big deal". It makes no sense. Malleus Fatuorum 23:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, but as he's leaving—and has emailed me that he will not be abusing RTV by editing again—I don't think blanking from a search engine is too big of a deal. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:52, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * He lied about learning the lesson of "no big deal". Malleus Fatuorum 04:12, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * This is what he said to me: To me "admonship" is no big deal, RfA sucks significantly, and incivility always sucks. It's just become enough for me. Or I'm just a real bad liar. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  22:39, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks...
Thank you for notifying me of what you did on your--er, my user talk page. Main reason I don't edit articles on Wikipedia all that much (thereby the 8 actual article edits I have) is that I don't really find much for me to actually edit. I also edit on my phone most of the time. (I use Opera Mini 4 instead of my phones imbedded browser, as opera works better. I view Wikipedia on the non- mobile version of Wikipedia) Mini 4 apparently encounters a runtime exception if I try to enter into an edit box with way, way too many characters. I'm talking over 5524 chars, as that is what the limit opera mini 4 puts me at. So, again, thanks for letting me know that. I'll try using Special:Random some more whenever I'm on my laptop. (because my web browser on my computer DOESN'T encounter a runtime error when I try to edit a box that has over 5524 chars in it, of course) LikeLakers2 (talk) 02:49, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. My main point was just that users who tend to edit mostly user talk pages and user pages often end up getting blocked, because the main goal of Wikipedia is not to chat a lot but to provide free educational articles to the world. Obviously you are perfectly allowed to edit your user pages and leave messages for others and even have a little fun, but remember that articles are the main focus here. Might I also suggest looking through this category in your free time and fixing up some ugly articles? It might be useful if Special:Random isn't giving you pages with much to do. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  04:00, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Speaking of fun... :3 Also, I checked the rules, or rather, the help desk, and apparently what you said is true. I never actually thought you were wrong, just that it somewhat didn't make much sense to me is all. Though it was a bit surprising to see that I only had 8 article edits! I think those were mainly me just using Lupin's anti-vandal tool for things like that. (also, I should mention that my phone starts to lag in the edit box at one point. I don't know why, but maybe its trying to just render all the chars at once? If it is, that just doesn't make much sense. LikeLakers2 (talk) 04:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * If you look at my contribs, I uploaded a new file with some stuff. Basically, I found something I think I may like to do: make files tagged with, well, PNG format. Would this count as helping like you mentioned? (I know it may not be exactly a good question, but hey! never hurts to ask!) LikeLakers2 (talk) 22:05, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure. But it's my personal opinion that every user should try writing at least one article, because it might just lead you to start writing more and more articles. Just something to think about—if you're not ready now, that's perfectly OK. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  22:37, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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