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Classic book
Fetchcomms -

Would like any feedback/hints/tips for the Classic book article I resurrected from its previous incarnation as a stub of sorts.

And congratulations on your nomination.

Thanks!Shearonink (talk) 03:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Very, very nice job! A few things: make sure that all the references are filled in--you still have a few plain links without author/date/publisher/title/etc. information. Also, I would change the "Quotes" section into a paragraph. Something like

The definition of a classic book varies among several prominent literary figures. American poet Ezra Sound said, "A classic is classic not because it conforms to certain structural rule, or fits certain definitions (of which its author had quite probably never heard). It is classic because of a certain eternal and irrepressible freshness." ....
 * You get the idea--just make it into prose, not a list of quotes (and remove the bold for that section). Lastly, you might want to use cite book for a standardized way to reference your book sources (we don't usually include the (c) Person). I gave it a quick dash fix, to conform with the WP:MOS, but it looks very good otherwise.  — fetch ·  comms   13:40, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions. Have done your suggested tweaks, would appreciate your taking another look when you get the chance. Am hoping the article might now be worthy of a slightly higher 'class'-ratings on the two WikiProjects (Books and HIstory). And I'm going to go ahead and probably ask a pretty dumb question here...I'm having a hard time figuring out what the cite book actually means regarding the book sources and (c) Person?... Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 05:06, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Cite book is like cite web--you plug in the information for the source and it generates the reference. So instead of writing out the whole book ref, you would do .  — fetch  ·  comms   17:47, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I *think* I've now fixed all the references. Thought you'd like to know that the quotes are completely gone. An ISP editor (58.169.10.1) came by and deleted the two I had left at the end of the article....kinda funny, they knew it didn't fit the tone of Wikipedia and yet they're not a registered-user... Nothing lost though...I had already integrated the Ezra Pound quote into the article (per your suggestion) and the Mark Twain quote had been in the article from the beginning. I've posted a request for Feedback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_feedback/2010_July_7) but no hits there yet. Shearonink (talk) 12:03, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Ernest Veuve
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 06:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Edwin L. Elwood
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 12:02, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

RfA !vote
Just letting you know that I've happily moved to the support column, I'm sure you'll make a great administrator! -- Lear's Fool 15:20, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Newman (Medal of Honor)
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 18:03, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Adoption assignment #1
I've created Cache In Trash Out and nominated it for DYK: link. Rock drum Ba-dumCrash 19:15, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Right, I've completed the assesment in that I have created an article and nominated it for DYK. What now? Do I need to make it pass? Rock drum Ba-dumCrash 16:39, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not ready for DYK.... The DYK rules state that the article must be at least 1500 characters in length, but this article is only half that.  — fetch ·  comms   17:09, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, so what do you want me to do then? Rock drum Ba-dumCrash 17:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Try writing another article, make it DYK-eligible, and then submit that.  — fetch ·  comms   03:39, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

NTR Foundation
The above new article is about an organization which was launched with the support an appearance as keynote speaker of former US president Bill Clinton. Perhaps this is a fact you might be interested in molding into a WP:DYK nomination. I would but do not currently have the time necessary to do it right. In case you were interested. Regards. My76Strat (talk) 20:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Early Congrats!
Hi Fetchy, I just wanted to come by and give you an early congrats, it seems your about to end up with the tools you need to make this a better encyclopedia, and you deserve them. I'm happy for you ! Sincerely,

Dwayne was here! &#9835; 01:45, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations! ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 01:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I love to beat people to things, especially when I don't really care, except I just want to make sure that they feel sad that I beat them!
Congrats. — m o n o   01:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

First is the worst, second is a pest, third is the one with the treasure chest
Congrats. ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 04:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I wonder what that makes 4th...
Congratulations at getting the tools.  Mr. R00t   Talk  18:25, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Without trying to be a brown noser. Good job Fetchcomms, knew you'd become one someday.--White Shadows There goes another day 02:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Solon D. Neal
 — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 06:03, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

RFA Thank spam
--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">There goes another day 17:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Probably
I probably thought I probably should let you know that was probably a sock-puppet, and blocked. Probably. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 18:52, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Frederick S. Neilon
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 00:03, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Your RfA
Looks like you're going for a clean sweep! Hope I don't jinx it but, I just wanted to be the first to say congrats :) &oelig; &trade; 06:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Seconded!  :| TelCo  NaSp <font face="Showcard Gothic"> Ve :|   06:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * urm, you're like 7th. look up. <font face="Papyrus"> mo no  so  ck   17:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh... right... I didn't see that coming. :| TelCo  NaSp <font face="Showcard Gothic"> Ve :|   18:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Doh! -- &oelig; &trade; 23:28, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

If only this glorious moment came earlier... Anyway, congrats, and good luck with your new mop that should be arriving shortly. ~ Nerdy<font color="#0F0">Science <font color="#8d7">Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 00:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, congratulations! There will be more friendly page stalkers coming your way  <font color="#ed7606">Davtra   (talk) 03:55, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Good luck with the mop and bucket! I'm sure you'll use them well :) Airplaneman   ✈  Review? 05:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

congrats! look forward to working with you in the future :) Pilif12p : <font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000FF;"> Yo 06:08, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Add my congrats on your unanimous Rfa... great job! Jusdafax  10:06, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Woohoo! Hurray!! Congrats once again!!  <font face="Century Gothic" color="#2B65EC" size="2">Dwayne  was here!   &#9835;  20:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Presents a cake. Congratulations Fetchcomms. <font face="Segoe Print,Serif">Spitfire19 T/C 17:18, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Images
Those tags may be deprecated here, but not on Hebrew Wikipedia, where they are originally from. What can we do?-- RM ( Be my friend ) 01:29, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but I have no account on Commons, and have never uploaded media there. We need to paste one of those tags that says to copy it to commons, and then delete it on Wikipedia.-- RM ( Be my friend ) 01:50, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I have found new tags for each image.-- RM ( Be my friend ) 02:24, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Congrats
You are now and administrator. Good luck using the tools and always feel free to ask for help!  MBisanz  talk 06:09, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Um...... I disagree. (del/undel) 23:09, 8 July 2010 MBisanz (talk | contribs | block) changed rights for User:Fetchcomms from Account creators, IP block exemptions, Reviewers and Rollbackers to IP block exemptions ‎ (per Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Fetchcomms). Congratulations on your demotion instead? :) -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 10:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There, you should actually be an administrator now! Enjoy. --Deskana (talk) 11:16, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! I'm sure you'll make a fine admin. Let me know if I can be of any assistance, now get to work! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:00, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Congrats fetch, and don't worry about breaking anything I'm sure Chzz will beat you to it....   Mlpearc   powwow  15:40, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, I was wondering if I would be 'cratted by accident as that's happened before... I'm not big on thank spam, but thanks all!  — fetch ·  comms   15:57, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Late congrats- good job. - Tommy! [ message ] 17:56, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Later congrats from me, too! <b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b> 20:20, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You earned it. :| TelCo  NaSp <font face="Showcard Gothic"> Ve :|   20:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC)



You run an RfA and don't even tell me? That hurts. ~ Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 20:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Reminder
Hi! This message is just a friendly reminder that you signed up to participate in the GOCE Backlog Elimination Drive. I noticed that you haven't logged a single copy edit yet. We'd love to see you participate! The drive runs three more weeks so there's still plenty of time to earn barnstars. Thanks! -- Diannaa TALK 21:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

John H. Foley
This article which you recently nominated at DYK has an issue that needs to be addressed. Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 13:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Questions concerning resubmission to articles for Creation
Hi, Back in May, I submitted a Chicanery (album) page to Articles for Creation. The page contained a fair use album cover image entitled “Low_Res_Cropped_Chicanery_Cover_Color.jpg”. The album page submission was rejected due to there not having been a page for the band at the time, and the file became orphaned and was deleted.

Since then, I have completed the band page, Chicanery, and that page is now live. Could you possibly retrieve the above album cover image, or should I upload the image all over again when I resubmit the album page to Articles for Creation? Also, should I resubmit the album page to Articles for Creation as if it were an entirely new submission at this point? Doc2234 (talk) 19:08, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I can restore the image, but the album page needs to go live first, before we can use copyrighted images. You can also reupload it, it doesn't really matter (but the article still needs to be created first). And, you can just paste in all your updated album submission into the original page and add  to the top of it, or you can just make a whole new submission. Again, doesn't really matter. Cheers,  — fetch  ·  comms   01:22, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I will resubmit the album page to Articles for Creation, today.


 * You also flagged the three images that I used for the Chicanery band page as not having adequate documentation to support the license. I do have emails that provide permission from the owners, and I will forward those to the address you gave me, today also. I do have a security issue for one of the sets of email. Could we go offline with that issue prior to my sending in the full email record that I have? I will try to email you. Doc2234 (talk) 12:54, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I just resubmitted the Chicanery (album) page to Articles for Creation, and I submitted copies of the emails that document permission for the files used on the Chicanery band page. Doc2234 (talk) 18:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas H. Forsyth
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 00:03, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Your last question in Connormah's RFA
Generally, I think candidates are asked too many questions but your last one there asking the candidate to "oppose himself" is clever. A few editors have asked me to go for the mop. So far I have declined because I can think of some very strong opposes for myself and I've yet come up with a good rebuttal to any of them.

Also, it reminds me of an idea I once had about asking RFA candidates to "write for the enemy". Example, asking an "ultra deletionist" to make a "keep" argument for a hypothetical AFD on something "crufty" like a minor fictional character or someone who is against the use of non-free images to make a "keep" arguments for a screenshot from a movie. Doing so would show if the candidate understands the thoughts and motivations of those with views he opposes and is still able to assume good faith. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, your idea is probably better than what I did simply because it does what you noted at the end--understanding different viewpoints while still AGFing. Would it be OK if I used that question in the future (I sort of stole the oppose yourself one from an anonymous user)?  — fetch ·  comms   02:31, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, but keep the "oppose yourself" one. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Move protection
The "semi-move-protection" you put on your user page is pointless; only autoconfirmed users can move pages anyways :) PleaseStand (talk) 04:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI. And congrats on the mop! T. Canens (talk) 04:35, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys... I guess I was so tired that I didn't even notice I was clicking that x_x.  — fetch ·  comms   17:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

FYI
They do exist: Database reports/Indefinitely blocked IPs, even though indef blocking an IP is, of course, very rare. Nsk92 (talk) 04:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've never stumbled across any before, excepting the old AOL proxy blocks. Reading the list is interesting, though, especially Gurch's username block.  — fetch ·  comms   17:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Support
My attention was diverted because of the 3rd Wikipedia Drama Out, a 5 day campaign of article writing and not participating in ANI or other wikispace drama. I promised you my support and give it even though I missed your RFA train, which already left the station. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 19:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

My comment at Connormah's RFA
I'd like to know for future reference, was that comment honestly bad judgment on my part?--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 00:07, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Seemed fine to me. I was just trying to clarify my stand, not say anything on yours.  — fetch ·  comms   02:26, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * OK thanks for letting me know :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">I ran away from you 02:30, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Type message title here
Thanks so much for your help. I've added a few articles, but I've never added one that needed a disambiguation. I know you're super busy, but I'd love to learn now to do so, so that I don't have to bother people anymore.

Again, thanks for helping a relative newbie!

Miss Ivonne (talk) 23:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've already listed it on Crime and Punishment (disambiguation), and the title has the (play) bit, so I'd call it all disambiguated now.  — fetch ·  comms   23:25, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks a million!

Miss Ivonne (talk) 00:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Ping!
You have mail. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Oops
Sorry 'bout that. I realize that should not actually have been uploaded. As you said here it does not show any proof. Realized after I went to dinner that it shouldn't have been uploaded.  Mr. R00t   Talk  05:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi
Why Nanak Shahi bricks ? what happened to the building pic ? Jon Ascton   (talk)  11:08, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The image was deleted, so I removed the broken link from the article.  — fetch ·  comms   21:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Changes to edit filter 339
Hey Fetchcomms,

First, thanks for the editprotected and congrats on the sysop-ing. I wanted to leave a comment about this change to edit filter 339. Using lcase eats up the condition limit (or so i have been told) and using the ugly regex is a more efficent way of doing the same thing. We dont really have to worry about the length of the filters code, rather the efficency. Because of this, I reverted one of your versions of the filter, back to your version that included Lesbian (good idea by the way). Thanks, Tim  1357  <sup style="font-family:Times new roman; font-size:small;">talk  11:51, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, no problem. I'm still trying to learn how the coding works and all, and Tim Song recommended the lcase method. In any case, are things like "homo" or "fag" covered in other filters that you know of, or should that be added to this one too?  — fetch ·  comms   21:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm thats weired. Shirik recomended the regex method. In any case, yes, fag and homo are covered in other filters (although off the top of my head I couldnt tell you which). The reasoning behind 339 is that the words "gay" and "homosexuall" are appropriate, when the subject is actually gay. Fag and homo, however, are rarely appropriate. Tim  1357  <sup style="font-family:Times new roman; font-size:small;">talk  23:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, no probs. Need a revdelete? :P  — fetch ·  comms   23:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hah, not at the moment. In fact, I hardly know what they are. Tim  1357  <sup style="font-family:Times new roman; font-size:small;">talk  23:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

But there is something else: I was wondering if you would help me with a bot project I was working on. I need an admin because it involves downloading the wikitext of deleted articles, which I of course cannot do. Tim 1357  <sup style="font-family:Times new roman; font-size:small;">talk  00:00, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, if you tell me what needs to be done.  — fetch ·  comms   00:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well here is what I was thinking of doing: I want to have a bot patroll new pages and tag those that are blatantly vandalism, or attack pages. I was planning on using the CRM114 engine, which is the same thing that protects your gmail inbox from spam, by using AI. One "teaches" the engine by feeding it text, allong with a tag (good/bad for example). After a few rounds of this, the engine is suprisingly good. I have already made a list of pages deleted as G3, so all you would have to do is run a script to download their wikitext. Of course, that would mean allowing the script to log in as you. You can review the code before running it, or ask annother to look it over for you, to be sure the script wont do anything malicious. If you are at all uncomfortable with this, It will be no insult to me if you decline. Cheers, Tim  1357  <sup style="font-family:Times new roman; font-size:small;">talk  00:15, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Few quick questions--how many pages, how long (can I do it today or tomorrow?), am I saving the pages onwiki or not, and is this allowed (or specifically banned)? Thanks,  — fetch ·  comms   00:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

As many as you care to do, the more the better. Remember that its a script so you just have to start it. I havent writen the script yet, so this was just a test to see if you were willing, it would be in a few weeks when I get back home. No, you would be emailing the pages to me because its easier and I dont think you are allowed to save them to the wiki. Finally, I do not know of any rule banning this, but I have been wrong before. Ill ask arround. Tim 1357  <sup style="font-family:Times new roman; font-size:small;">talk  00:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As long as it's OK (I'd ask the BAG or maybe even ArbCom), I can do it.  — fetch ·  comms   00:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Im on the BAG, and there isnt really a problem with it in terms of bot policy. Ill find the time to ask at the Admins Noticeboard sometime. Tim  1357  <sup style="font-family:Times new roman; font-size:small;">talk  09:17, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deleted subjects that are notable
Hi Fetchcomms. I've come across a contrubtion history that includes the nomination of numerous notable article subjects for deletion. Many of the articles themselves were in poor shape (many were created years ago when standards were different) so they got speedied, but many of the subjects are notable or can be merged. How do I go about getting them restored so they can be fixed properly? There seems to be resistance to using DRV, even though the article subjects shouldn't have been speedily deleted in the first place.

Also, I can't see the article histories without having them restored. I'm not out to ruffle feathers, but I hate to see the work of others lost or destroyed by a series of mistakes that can be easily rectified. It's troubling to me that I'm being attacked for trying to fix things that are broken and that the focus for many isn't on what's best for the encyclopedia, but if there's a more discrete way to go about the process I'm certainly open to it. I suppose userfication is one route, but then the workload is totally on me and this is supposed to be a collaborative enterprise. Is there some other way to go about getting them properly worked up, merged etc? Perhaps involving the article rescue squadron? Freakshownerd (talk) 16:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I can undelete and usury pages for you, but I'm not sure about involving others. If DR doesn't work, you can try the article incubator, but from my experiences there, it's not the most efficient or popular area either. If you can get me a list, though, of deleted articles, I can see which are salvagable, usury them, and ask some others for help with sourcing and whatnot.  — fetch ·  comms   21:25, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Fetchcomms. Thanks for the reply. Would you mind undeleting Hard Leaders and redirecting o Kickin Records. I don't think there is much to merge. Freakshownerd (talk) 21:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think Hard Leaders was deleted before. Are you sure that was the exact title?  — fetch ·  comms   21:41, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops. Hardleaders, sorry. It seems to be spelled both ways... Darn indie labels! Freakshownerd (talk) 21:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirected. It was a two-sentence stub, it just said that it was a subsidiary of Kickin Records.  — fetch ·  comms   21:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I still like to see the history preserved. But if you think it's enough I will do my best to let go. :) Thanks for your help. Freakshownerd (talk) 21:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for John H. Foley
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 18:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for William Foster (Medal of Honor)
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi fetchcomms
Please feel free to trout me >.< I don't know what I was thinking. Perhaps I should be more careful... <font color="Red" face="Tahoma">Fridae&#39;§ <font color="Red" face="Tahoma">Doom &#124; <font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">Talk to me  00:22, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Regarding deletions
A new(ish) user, nothing all that experienced, I put up a CSD notice on the Ceasary page, and it's down just like that? Who knew I had such power! Mwahahahahaha! But seriously, thank you for taking care of that. I'd do it myself, but I don't want to get in trouble. I just looked it up in regards to their advertising, using a Wonder Woman lookalike, and found a clear advert here also. Glad that I could help! Kalmbach (talk) 03:15, 14 July 2010 (UTC) Combining Art and Engineering for a quarter century.

Congrats!
Congratulations on becoming an admin! I'm sure you'll be great, so long as you don't do this! QwertyQwerpus (talk) 03:38, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">

This is to congratulate you on becoming an administrator! I hope you enjoy and thoroughly use that to your advantage here on Wikipedia. And so long as you don't do what Qwerty said! Bon appetit!  Adapted from GiveCake 



Talkback
Reply <b style="color:#0000DD;">Joe Gazz84</b> (user)•(talk)•(contribs) 21:35, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Altered SD Rationale
Thankyou for letting me know, and apologies for tagging it incorrectly. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 02:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Margaret Jull Costa entry
Dear Fetchcomms,

I'm writing a biographical entry on Margaret Jull Costa for the Oxford History of Literary Translation in English, and I'm wondering if you have any leads on her date and place of birth and information about her early life. Any information you can provide would help our project of highlighting the contributions of twentieth-century translators.

All best,

JCGTU (talk) 15:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you are asking me... I have no clue who she is, and I can only suggest to you searching on Google Books or Google Scholar. My only edit to that page was adding a tag. It would be greatly helpful if you could expand the Wikipedia article about her as well, as it is in need of some work.  — fetch ·  comms   16:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

TDG_21
Dear. Fetchcomms,

Was talking to Narodnik and he helped reference my page and completed everything for me. Would you review the page for acceptance?

Thank you
 * It has already been created, no need to ask for another review.  — fetch ·  comms   20:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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Hello Fetchcomms,

You recently edited a submission of mine entitled Siena Research Institute. I am having difficulty including citations that are acceptable to Wikipedia. I look at similar pages like Marist Poll and see that they too only included their web page as a source. What makes my case different?

Jantonov1 (talk) 18:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * A common misconception is modeling new pages after existing ones. Unless you use a featured article or good article as your guide, it is not the best idea to do so. We have lots of rubbish articles that need to be removed; please consider sending something you feel does not belong here to Articles for deletion. All new articles are still expected to cite independent reliable sources, and if none or very few exist, the subject is likely not notable enough for inclusion.  — fetch ·  comms   20:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Recent article placed on hold
Fetchcomms, I am trying to figure out what suggestions I made without third party reference for my article on the University of Mississippi School of Law. I referenced the sources I used. Where did I go wrong?

Travisbrackin (talk) 23:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * OK--the first three sources are the same link, and it's just a listing of the statistics and such. That doesn't constitute "significant coverage". The last link is their own website, and it's not an independent source. We're looking for things like news articles, books, magazines, etc. that cover the law school. Right now, I think that the article could be merged into the existing University of Mississippi article, unless the law school is especially notable by itself for some special reason. The individual "School of Whatever Subject" bits don't generally need their own article, as they aren't usually notable enough by themselves.  — fetch ·  comms   23:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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Heres the Url http://www.yotufutbol.com/contenido/escudos/irlanda/fc%20carlow.jpg Thanks a million, really appreciate your help!

Emmo9 (talk) 00:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

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Legend!

Emmo9 (talk) 00:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
I appeciate your help, and I promise I won't abuse the trust you have shown in me. <font face="Mistral">GregJackP  Boomer!  03:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Waterfall
Regarding User:Fetchcomms/Waterfall can you tell me why this page is required? The practice of protecting things by cascade-protected user pages has been discontinued for some time now I believe. Would you consider unprotecting it and using Cascade-protected items instead? That way, there is a central place where these things can be discussed. Thanks &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:49, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I realize that, but it's just my personal listing of all the high-risk templates that have been protected already. I don't see any harm in adding another protected userpage listing like all the others that have existed, but if you feel strongly about this, I'll just delete it.  — fetch ·  comms   19:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, but the thing is that is doesn't have any additional benefit that I can see. Doing what you have done does not make it "more protected". And it just makes it more of a pain when it is actually decided that protection is unwarranted. (It feels slightly awkward having to go into someone's userspace.) Protection is a project-wide issue and not related to any particular user. Therefore I still feel that these pages are not helpful. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:19, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Deleted, then. Your reasoning makes sense, as always.  — fetch ·  comms   20:05, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

IPBE
I am strongly concerned that you gave IPBE to. Could you describe the review process you went through when determining that he was a valid candidate for IPBE? Hipocrite (talk) 20:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * He was caught under an Opera Mini rangeblock. From my experience, these rangeblocks are usually just precautionary proxy blocks, except that Opera Mini uses proxies as a part of their software design, not like Tor. Greg's an established user, and I left a note for Brandon, the blocking CU. I am aware of the SPI case he was involved in recently, but the result was no evidence of socking and the block he received last month was not for that reason. The SPI verified that he uses mobile browsers quite often, and I didn't see any harm in giving him IPBE when he is on a shared IP like that. Was there something in particular that you had issues with?  — fetch  ·  comms   20:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I dispute that GregJackP is an established user. I suggest that he is a highly problematic agenda editor, who is, at this point, not trustworthy enough for IPBE. Hipocrite (talk) 20:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Will you take your global warming accusations elsewhere? He was caught on a routine block that had nothing whatsoever to do with any specific editing or editors; I will not starve the project of users just because of your disputes with him. He is established in the fact that he has several thousand edits and has been around for some time; I never said "well-established in your book". This is a completely legitimate use for IPBE, and if he ends up misusing the privilege, it'll be revoked and him possibly blocked. I already gave him the disclaimer. I refuse to be roped into everyone's disagreements over global warming and whatnot, so if you have further issues, ask a checkuser to verify again the need.  — fetch ·  comms   20:29, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look. If it becomes relevent, I will do so. As a side note, the dispute that GregJackP has with me and WMC has nothing to do with Global Warming. Best wishesHipocrite (talk) 20:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That's nice. Arguing is all the same to me.  — fetch ·  comms   20:32, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the ec - I was adding some pleasantries when you responded - I just wanted to be clear that I have no concerns with what you did now that I understand that it was evaluated. Hipocrite (talk) 20:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Mm, I could be nicer too. I just get tired of disputing users. Always good to have someone check over your work, though. Cheers,  — fetch ·  comms   20:36, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

UM Law
Fetchcomms,

Do I still need more sources for my Ole Miss Law article? I'm new to Wikipedia editing/article creation, but I would really like to see this get online. I have elaborated on the "notability" of the subject and added two new third party sources. Any more specific suggestions? I have noticed that most law schools in my native state of Texas have their own pages with similar content. The Texas Tech Law article has fewer sources than mine.

Travisbrackin (talk) 01:15, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I would still try to find another one or two independent sources--some of the content still relies on their own website. Also, the list of notable alumni should be backed up by sources, too. Other pages with poor sourcing is unfortunate, and we may even have to delete them later--so it's best to have new articles sourced well.  — fetch ·  comms   01:20, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

UM Law
Fetchcomms,

I added third party sources to every entry in "notable alumni." Will this do the trick? Also, should I remove the sources posted from olemiss.edu (a press release and an article from UM lawyer magazine)?

Thanks for the help!

Travisbrackin (talk) 02:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Re. University of Mississippi School of Law which was AFC, now live, acceped by Fetchcomms 17 July 2010.  Chzz  ► 12:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

✅

DYK nomination of Justin McIsaac
Hello! Your submission of Justin McIsaac at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 20:10, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I have asked Yoninah to supply more details of what needs fixing.  Chzz  ► 12:58, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Aß listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Aß. Since you had some involvement with the Aß redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Bridgeplayer (talk) 01:11, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Treeshaping
-Thank you fetchcomms for welcoming me to wikipedia. I have become involved because I am interested in treeshaping. I joined wiki after seeing the history of the article. On the article page and the discussion page that I have been watching for months now, there seems to be a lot of conflict and domination cordinated by the creator of the word arborsculpture. The article has been completely changed and does not reflect the reality of the art form. When I google arborsculpture I am lead to a marketing funnel that has merchantdise for sale. When I pointed this out it was ignored as the comment was not in agreement with the editor duff who wants to be in control. What can I do about this ? I am only a new editor and after making three comments have landed my self with a sock puppet investigation from duff.Please advise me of the best form of action. Thanks Sydney Bluegum (talk) 04:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi there, and welcome. Fetchcomms is away for a few days, so you're getting an answer from me, I'm afraid.


 * I've had a bit of a look at the article, discussions, etc. Quite surprising that this topic is so hotly disputed, and has been for a long time - see Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-12/Arborsculpture.


 * Re. the sock-puppet accusations; the case was closed, with no evidence, so I think you can simply forget that, put it behind you.


 * I see that other editors have advised you about editing other articles, and this actually is good advice. It is important to remember that there is no deadline. Wikipedia will be around for many years, so if one article is a bit 'wrong' for a while, it really doesn't matter. With that in mind, I do suggest you get involved in editing a few different articles, a) because it'll be more fun than arguing, b) because you will gain more experience of Wikipedia, c) because you would later be in a much better position to argue any of the complex problems with that specific article.


 * Maybe you could join WikiProject Horticulture and Gardening, or any other project groups tht interest you.


 * Please note, I am not dismissing your concerns about the specific article; there are ways to resolve things; merely, I am saying that there are -1 other articles that all need attention, and if that one is problematic, then it might be best to leave it for later.


 * If I can personally help or advise in any way, please feel free to leave a note on my own talk page, or get live help. Best,  Chzz  ► 13:49, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Gbiasi
Hi Fetchcomms--

I added a few sources for my article. Would you mind taking another look? I look forward to your comments. Thanks! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gbiasi/NationalAssociationoftheRemodelingIndustry Gbiasi (talk) 15:25, 19 July 2010 (UTC)gbiasi


 * Hi there. Fetchcomms is away for a few days, so I'm keeping an eye on his talk page.


 * The draft in User:Gbiasi/NationalAssociationoftheRemodelingIndustry still has some problems, because it is not neutral, and contains many facts which do not have appropriate independent reliable sources.


 * Please note that the following are examples only, for illustration; it is not an exhaustive list, but to try to explain the issues;

Non-neutral statements -These are not facts, they are opinion.
 * the organization continues to prosper
 * meetings allow individual members the opportunity to directly participate
 * an impartial panel of judges who are experts

Unreferenced assertions
 * roots go back to 1935
 * more than 100,000 thousand individuals [...etc...] belong to NARI
 * provided the remodeling industry with its first formalized standard of expertise


 * Some sections are not encyclopaedic, for example "Code of Ethics" probably fails WP:NOT; unless independently documented and analysed in some independent reliable source, that type of content is not permitted.


 * In addition, the draft has lots of advert-like wording; the sections on phrases such as NARI has positioned itself as a strong influencer in the building industry as a whole, having potential to change economic climates... is, frankly, pure spam.


 * It is extremely difficult to write a neutral article when you have a conflict of interest, which is why we strongly recommend against it. Please, edit some other articles - even if you come back to this later, by getting involved in other Wikipedia edits, you will gain a better understanding of the systems, and be in a better position to look again at this one, later. There is no deadline. Best,  Chzz  ► 14:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

IPBE follow-up
Just to let you know that the Opera Mini range block has been resolved and Brandon removed the IPBE for me. I really appreciated that you helped me with this as I use my mobile phone quite a good deal to edit. Anyway, just wanted to let you know that it is not an issue anymore, and that the flag was removed since I don't need it anymore. Thanks, <font face="Mistral">GregJackP   Boomer!  16:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Caesary wiki
You deleted the Caesary wiki seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesary. Why did you accuse it of being "promotional"? Lots of people were using that page as a reference. Caesary is a newly launched MMORTS game with press releases already posted on the web. MPOGD.com had a press released on Caesary when it first launched. It's absurd to think that a page used for reference would be deleted because it's being accused of "promoting" a product. Windrider07 (talk) 18:15, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi there. Fetchcomms is away for a few days.


 * The article was correctly deleted as CSD G11, as it was "Unambiguous advertising or promotion [...] would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic.


 * The first part of the article included the text, has been regarded as one of the best browser games of Year 2010, which is clearly non-neutral, and a matter of opinion, not fact.


 * The bulk of the article, the "Gameplay" section, was not appropriate encyclopaedic content; it fails WP:NOTGUIDE.


 * The only two references given were primary sources, and it is essential that any article has several independent reliable sources - see WP:VRS. I understand what you are saying - that people would use the page as reference - but it is not the duty of this encyclopaedia to help make things 'famous' - instead, we report on all subject that are already covered in other publications.


 * Please take the time to read the business FAQ, and consider other options for that type of content. If you wish to edit other articles, which do have independent reliable sources, then I'm sure you will enjoy Wikipedia much more. Best,  Chzz  ► 19:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to email you a copy of the deleted content if you wanted. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

He's/she's back
Please see the message I have posted here and review the links in it. We really need to take care of this issue once and for all. Centpacrr (talk) 19:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Image clearly uploaded by the webmaster
You recently tagged the following image for deletion(File:CCVFD1251A.JPG now named File:Chaires-Capitola VFD - Air, Power & Light Trailer.jpg). If you look carefully at the name on the summary, the article that it's attached to, and all similar images, you'd realize that the this was submitted by the editor himself or herself, specifically a member of the Chaires-Capitola Volunteer Fire Department. DanTD (talk) 02:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi DanTD, Fetchy is away for a few days, so I am stalking his talkpage. The image says the origin is "Department Photo", I think we need OTRS permission, so I have asked the user if they can email us. Hope that sounds OK with you. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 19:47, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Sounds pretty good. It'll sound better if the department and the uploader are recognized as one in the same. I know Fetch is offline, and I would've like to have sent this to wherever FFD pages normally go, but I didn't see a link in the banner for CSD F11 pages, so I had to sent this message wherever I could. DanTD (talk) 21:40, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Justin McIsaac
The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

could you help with the sxc health solutions article ? someone added the proposed deletion tag
you're one of the users who did some work there. I checked over what the administrator listed as problems and wasn't sure what to do. notability seems to be established and references include some third party sources of its history which discuss it. some help would be appreciatedGrmike (talk) 06:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)grmike


 * The proposed deletion was removed, so there is no imminent danger, only the possibility of a later deletion discussion, and if that does happen, you'll have the chance to make a case...if it has decent refs, it is unlikely to happen at all.  Chzz  ► 20:45, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:100


Acather96 (talk) 09:59, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Copyright of photos
How am I suppose to prove that I took a picture. The copyright is being disputed on the picture File:Squirethatisbrickandred.JPG, which I myself took and release as free domain. I'm not much involved in the wikipedia project anymore, but would like to see pictures that contribute to articles stay. Any help would be great, thanks. Gephart (talk) 22:01, 23 July 2010 (UTC)


 * In general, you should upload free pictures at Commons, and you shouldn't have problems if you select "It is entirely my own work" and fill in the boxes.


 * That specific picture, File:Squirethatisbrickandred.JPG, seems OK now; apparently a discussion resulted in a further 'public domain' tag being added by  - I'm not quite sure about the reason, so I've asked that user if they can explain further. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  20:42, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The PUF nomination is here. I should note that my original edit summary was botched, I left out the "5" out of "25" when linking to the discussion... oh well. Anywho, PD-Pre1978 applies in this case because, as IronGargoyle had pointed out, the sculpture was erected before 1978 without a copyright notice. Hence, the image is licensed under the public domain. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  20:50, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

MyEdu
I think we may well have acted in different directions at exactly the same time. I have just moved MyEdu to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/MyEdu because the author had filed a Requested Move. However, I have no objection to you deleting the page I moved it to. Green Giant (talk) 02:09, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I simply deleted the redirect as it is not currently a live article yet.  — fetch ·  comms   02:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough by me. Green Giant (talk) 02:14, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I meant to delete that request for move, as the page was already up and running fine. Why was it moved and deleted? And how can I get it back up and running? Wtferguson (talk) 15:26, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Morris Kessler
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 12:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Invitation for interview
Hi! You are welcome to respond to questions regarding Wikinews and the Wikinews Arbitration Committee 2010 election here. This is for the Signpost's coverage of Wikinews in the Sister Projects section of the next week's issue. Thank you.--<font color="DarkGoldenRod">Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 01:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I never get interviewed... Sniff... :P <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 01:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh an interview for you could be arranged. I think MOTD deserves a WikiProject report.--<font color="DarkGoldenRod">Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 01:29, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, that would be great. My ego needs some more inflating. :) <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 01:38, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Lol, discussion moved to Wikipedia talk:Motto of the day/Nominations/Archive 3--<font color="DarkGoldenRod">Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 01:44, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Non free files
Hi Fetchcomms, I had a question about file which is from commons and being used on Macintosh startup. It's not free (a screenshot of Google Chrome) so I'm planning to tag it for speedy deletion on commons. Is there a way to port it over here? I think it's useful, and can fix up the fair use rationale. Thanks, Airplaneman   ✈  23:54, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Basically, save a copy, reupload, and name the Commons user as the author and link to the deleted page as a source. It's not ideal, when deleted, but if it's ever tagged, a Commons admin can figure it out.  — fetch ·  comms   00:02, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Tagged on Commons (to the best of my ability) and uploaded to enwp (at File:Google Chrome "Aw snap" death screen.png), with fair use rationale. However, it would be better at Google Chrome imho. <font face="Papyrus"> — m  o  n  o    00:07, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK. I was just wondering if there was a way to import and preserve the original author's upload. Thanks guys, Airplaneman   ✈  00:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 July newsletter
We are half-way through our penultimate round, and nothing is yet certain. Pool A, currently led by has ended up the more competitive, with three contestants (,  and ) scoring over 500 points already. Pool B is led by, who has also scored well over 500. The top two from each pool, as well as the next four highest scorers regardless of pool, will make it through to our final eight. As ever, anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Planning has begun for the 2011 WikiCup, with open discussions concerning scoring and flags for next year's competition. Contributions to those discussions would be appreciated, especially concerning the flags, as next year's signups cannot begin until the flag issue has been resolved. Signups will hopefully open at some point in this round, with discussion about possible changing in the scoring/process opening some time afterwards.

Earlier this round, we said goodbye to, who has bowed out to spend more time on the book he is authoring with his wife. We wish him all the best. In other news, the start of this round also saw some WikiCup awards sent out by. We appreciate his enthusiasm, and contestants are of course welcome to award each other prizes as they see fit, but rest assured that we will be sending out "official" awards at the end of the competition. If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 22:37, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

GOCE Backlog Elimination Drive Wrap-up
Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of The Utahraptor at 18:10, 1 August 2010 (UTC).

Editing File:The Mountain of Israeli-Palestinian Friendship.jpg
It was not lacking any information. It was a very low resolution fair use image. The source was present. --Mbz1 (talk) 22:05, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There's no copyright tag.  — fetch ·  comms   22:06, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you looked at the history of speedy deletions for that file? It was nominated on deletion on July 24. I voted to keep it, nobody else voted at all. So why speedy once again? It is a fair use image that is all, but impossible to get a free equivalent. --Mbz1 (talk) 22:13, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not the point. I didn't delete based on the FFD, I deleted based on the fact that it had no copyright tag. If you want me to undelete it so you can slap on a non-free historic image or a non-free fair use in tag, please request that. Otherwise, please see db-f4.  — fetch ·  comms   22:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Where should I request it?--Mbz1 (talk) 22:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Here? I'll do it now, sigh.  — fetch ·  comms   22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I did, but I probably did something wrong. Could you please fix it? Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I understood, and fixed it myself. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 22:38, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've done it some time ago here or I shuld do something else? Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 22:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I hope it is OK now? Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 22:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for explaining everything to me!--Mbz1 (talk) 23:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

AfD
See explanation at my talk, my mistake. Sorry. Schwyz (talk) 01:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

GA review of Professional wrestling in New Zealand
Posted. Nosleep ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 04:27, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Greetings!
Hello fetchcomms, for your dedication to Wikipedia and great work during your first few weeks as admin :) I make you a member of the Order of the Mop!

Congrats! <font color="Red" face="Tahoma">Fridae'§Doom &#124; <font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">Spare your time?  06:56, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

AfD
Just to notify you, Justa Punk created an AfD here for the New Zealand Heavyweight Championship. <font color="#8000FF">Bejinhan <font color="#FF00FF">talks   09:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

New AfC barnstar
I'm trying to get consensus on whether I can put this into the barnstar template, but nothing's moving at WT:WPAFC. As you commented in the discussion, could I have your opinion on my remake of the original? Cheers, <font color="#FF0099">so <font color="#CC0099">nia ♫♪ 11:05, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems fine to me.  — fetch ·  comms   15:14, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

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