User talk:Fg2/Archive04

Opinion
If you are not too busy, I want to hear your opinion. Please take a look at the Misinformation section on the talk page of Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Thank you. Oda Mari 10:20, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Mari, I've looked at that, but unfortunately I don't know enough to help. I'm sorry. Fg2 07:00, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Commoners cat
Thanks for coming up with a new category. This is filling a major lacuna, and will come in quite useful in future. I'll go see which other articles I've already written which ought to fit here. LordAmeth 15:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Should we consider simply renaming it Category:Chonin or Category:Urban culture of Edo period Japan? I've already created Category:Japanese merchants for pre-modern "businessmen" which fits closely. I'm fine leaving it where it is too, just wondering as to your thoughts. Thanks again. LordAmeth 15:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Yokota Air Base
Hi there and not a problem. I had to take care of some things and now I'm headed off to bed. The only section I still have material to add and edit is the Operational History Section, which I'll work on tomorrow night. Anything else I have added is fair game for anyone to edit, so please do if you think it can be improved.

Warmest Regards

Brent

Bwmoll3 06:41, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Japan taskforces
In order to encourage more participation, and to help people find a specific area in which they are more able to help out, we have organized taskforces at WikiProject Japan. Please visit the Participants page and update the list with the taskforces in which you wish to participate. Links to all the taskforces are found at the top of the list of participants.

Please let me know if you have any questions, and thank you for helping out! ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

RfD
I noticed that you voted to keep the Wp:an/i and Wp:afd redirects at the Redirects for deletion page. I also voted to keep these redirect pages. I thought that if they were removed, then I would not automatically get to the pages I was looking for if I happened to type all lowercase letters, which would be pretty inconvenient. However, it turns out I was wrong. The software will automatically send someone to the appropriate page, even if they type all lowercase, and even if the redirect pages are deleted. It's just like a redirect, but without the redirect page. Deleting them will remove needless clutter in mainspace searches. With this knowledge, I wonder if you might consider changing your vote to delete. Thanks, and have a good day. Nick Graves 18:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Nanzen-ji
I wanted to inform you that I replaced your image with one I found at Flickr under a free license. I don't want to upset anyone in doing things like this, so I want you to know it doesn't matter which photo stands as far as I'm concerned. I just found the angle and clarity rather good in the current photograph; though I did like how you captured the cherry blossoms. (Mind meal 02:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC))


 * No problem. It's a very clear photo, nice angle and good light. Much better, in fact, than the photo in the information box on the Japanese Wikipedia. Fg2 05:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

RfC - thought you might be able to help
There's an RfC up on Talk:History of Japan. I notice that you were involved in a similar discussion on the Japan page and that your views might be useful to the conversation. Thanks, John Smith&#39;s 18:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

So, do you have a preference in the discussion or were you just making a general comment? John Smith&#39;s 12:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

re: Tokyo lead
I've tweaked your wording (mostly for readability). I don't remember whether it's been discussed before but I added the "都 " to the Kanji (which, I gather, is "to") and changed the bold subject to Tokyo Metropolis (to match the translation and the name in the infobox). It seems like adding "Metropolitan prefecture" somewhere in the first sentence would be good as well, but I can't quite seem to make it work (and I'm not sure how it should be capitalized). Maybe
 * Tokyo Metropolis (東京都 Tokyo-to) is one of the 47 prefectures of Japan and the only metropolitan prefecture providing certain municipal services characteristic of a city.

This doesn't sound quite right to me. Another alternative might be to start the sentence with Tokyo Metropolis or Tokyo Metropolitan Prefecture ...  If this ever gets to FA review, I suspect someone will object to the nebulous "certain municipal services" (which services?  why?), but I think it is better than what I came up with before. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Volcanoes
Hello, my friend. I would like to start several stubs about Japanese volcanoes, to kill redlinks in List of volcanoes in Japan. All Indonesian and almost all Russian volcanoes have already their articles. Point is, I don't know if there is any naming convention for Japanese mountains. How should I, e.g., name this: volcano? Suwanosejima, Suwanose-jima or maybe Mount Suwanose? Same with -yama suffix, and -dake suffix. Thanks. - Darwinek 09:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Darwinek, long time no see. That sounds like an interesting project! The example you selected is quite difficult to name, since -jima means "island" and is different from -yama. Mountains (X-san, X-yama) we name Mount X. See for example Mount Fuji. You'll find lots of sample titles and articles at Category:Mountains of Japan. Volcanoes specifically at Category:Volcanoes of Japan. There's a red link in List of volcanoes in Japan for Suwanosejima and lots of similar names.


 * The best place to ask questions about naming conventions would be Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles). The community can come up with suggestions, and comparisons with existing articles. And they can make decisions (which I can't make).


 * Best regards, Fg2 10:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Darwinek -- I wonder if the Smithsonian Institution's Global Volcanism Program (GVP) will prove useful in this context? I would have thought that any etymology of Wikipedia naming conventions needs to account for congruence (or plausible non-congruence) with other pre-existing lists.  Perhaps there might be something in this site which helps clarify or reinforce your sense of what seems best?  In any event, maybe this could be an appropriate external link appended to your stubs?  Just a thought....  This project sounds like a very good idea -- obvious now that you mention it, which becomes a potent indication that you're on to something worth doing.  I look forward to following whatever happens next. -- Link to Smithsonian's GVP web site
 * Ooperhoofd 13:41, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

USS PT-337
You removed the prod saying the article is verifiable and notable but did not supply references to meet WP:V and WP:N. Without references it is unlikely to survive a WP:AFD. If you would like to add the references it would go a long way to support your claims. Jeepday (talk) 02:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

夢術, the practical art or technique of the dream
I nominate this discussion for the first Wikipedia WikiProject Japan Midſommer Nights Dreame Mujutsu Myſticalle Barnſensu Award. Recommended reading for all of us ſuffering from the strict leftover heat that is continuing. Fg2 12:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnsensu
--H| H irohisat  Talk 02:14, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Am I supposed to give this to a person who already got one? --H| H irohisat  Talk 02:14, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, I don't know! All I know is I'm not supposed to give you one. Darn! Fg2 12:19, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Notability
Regarding Gare de Pas-des-Lanciers; I'm afraid I disagree with your assessment that railway staitons are notable. Not every station or any thing is notable, this article distinctively lacks the information proving it is notable; it may very well be a platform with a bus shelter, thus making it unnotable and not worthy of an article. Deletion is not the end of the article, it could be reopened later and have more information added to it with references and notable details. My understanding of PROD is that PRODing articles is used to indicate that an article seems unnotable and there is nothing in the article proving it isn't. In this case I believe PROD was justified since as a stub the article be deleted for not asserting its importance. Captain Scarlet  and the Mysterons  10:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Feel free to propose deletion of any article that hasn't been through a previous deletion proposal. I understand the points you made, but still disagree. After a deletion proposal has been contested, if you still feel the article should be deleted, you're welcome to bring it to Articles for Deletion. Then it's up to the community to come to a consensus. Best regards Fg2 10:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That seems an easy way to prevent article deletion... You may disagree with the point I made but they come straight from here. Once again, let's start lengthy and long winded procedures to get something easy and quick to do. Captain Scarlet  and the Mysterons  11:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh! Oku
I checked the website for the film Ooku and found that its title is romanized as "Oh! Oku" - I moved the article to that title - would that name apply to the TV series? Or does the :Oh! Oku" romanization only apply to the film? WhisperToMe 16:23, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Only to the film. Bendono 20:26, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. In that case, "Oh! Oku" is the film title :) WhisperToMe 07:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Help me
Hi! Can you change ? And please take a look at the current version of the name section of this article? --Oda Mari 09:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Mari, I want to change the name of that image, but unfortunately Wikipedia does not have the capability to change the name of an image. Clearly the word "tsunami" is wrong. Also, it's a featured image. I wish we could switch to another version of the same print (see Commons). Maybe an administrator could help, or you could try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan to get opinions from more people.


 * Regarding Iwo Jima, another editor just this minute undid a recent edit to the article. I hope that improves it.


 * Best regards, Fg2 09:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you Fg2. I saw the image in Commons and other users say the same thing on the talk page. So I asked a Commons administrator to change the name to The Great Wave off Kanagawa. Best regards. Oda Mari 15:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Administrator Aude (talk) helped me. Here it is. Image:The Great Wave off Kanagawa.jpg. Now I'm doing updating the links. Thanks and best regards. Oda Mari 05:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm confusing about updating. I edited the name of the image in the article Japan. Is that all I have to do? And I do not know how to upload the image to WP from Commons. Tell me what to do when you are not too busy. Thank you. Oda Mari 05:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Wonderful! That should be all you have to do. Commons images are available to all Wikipedias. You do not have to upload to English Wikipedia. Just type the new name in the place where the old name was in any article, and it should work just fine. Please let me know if you have more questions. And thank you for getting the name changed. It was a shame that it had the word "tsunami" in the file name. Now it's better. Fg2 09:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Now the name Tsunami's gone. Hopefully for good. User:Siebrand deleted it. I'm happy. (Smile) Oda Mari 14:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Melles Griot
An article that you have been involved in editing, Melles Griot, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you. --B. Wolterding 16:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

2003-2004 Orange Bowl articles
I don't understand how on Earth a context-less infobox in the shape of a scoreboard is considered a valid stub. It's certainly your right to remove the proposed deletion template for any or no reason, but I'd like to know if your reasoning here is based on any specific policy or other documented wiki-consensus or if this is just your own personal opinion. It's certainly possible I'm just not aware of some consensus I do need to be aware of, so please do let me know if that is the case. Erechtheus 01:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Erechtheus, My reasoning was that the information in the box is a valid stub. The formatting as an information box or a scoreboard is irrelevant to the decision. I didn't base my decision on any consensus or policy, but just on my experience with the thousands of stubs I've seen. Since you cited the lack of context, why not add a context template. That seems preferable to deleting the article. Naturally, I'd be happier if people spent more time adding content to articles instead of formatting it in fancy, but ultimately vacuous, ways. On that, I suppose, we agree. Fg2 07:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In that case, I do think we're mostly on the same page. I think the issue is clearly context, and I see an utter lack of it there. I do have to say that when I take a step back and think about more than just that, these are topics that should be covered by the project. My concern when I see things like this is that it's going to discourage appropriate development of that article and encourage people to create look alike articles. Those really are issues more for the context, cleanup, and/or wikify templates, though. As you can see, I have added three templates to each article to highlight the issues we agree exist. Thanks for responding and confirming I'm not missing anything policy/consensus-wise. Erechtheus 23:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Japanese Gardens FPC
Hi Fg2,

Thanks for your insightful and informed comment at the end of the Japanese Gardens FPC nomination; unfortunately you did so only about 20mins before the nom was closed, so most people will never see what you said.

I have responded there if you want to check it out. I'm certainly no expert in Japanese Gardens, but thought the photos I put in were useful contributions. As I said in my response, I'm happy for them to be replaced if someone can contribute something better. If I ever go to Japan that may be me, but I don't plan to be travelling there anytime soon, so will have to wait for someone else.

Cheers, --jjron 02:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Congratulations on the promotion of your photo! Fg2 03:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

2005 Sanriku Japan Earthquake
I've renamed this article to Seismology of the Sanriku coast following your expansion of its scope. Does that seem like a sensible title? WjBscribe 02:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, that seems fine. Thanks for starting this. I think it'll grow more with that title. Fg2 03:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Kan'ei-ji
Is this new article wrongly named? Should I have created Tōeizan Kan’ei-ji? I wouldn't want to make the same mistake again in the future, if indeed this was a mistaken beginning. --Ooperhoofd 03:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No, the name seems correct. I just put the mountain-name first to simplify the opening sentence. I might have made a mistake in doing so -- see Manual of Style (Japan-related articles). The best model might be Sensō-ji. See the first sentence of that article. I probably should have followed that. Fg2 03:04, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

What about being an admin?
 Hi Fg2, I want to nominate you for adminship, I'm pretty sure you would be a good sysop. Please take a look at Administrators to check what are admin's roles, and let me know if it's ok for you ;-)

 Snowolf How can I help? 21:11, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

About Prefectures of Japan ISO: Response to Fg2
The reason I undid the deletion of the ISO list was because it is very useful and convenient, located right next to the map for my research. I've been using this webpage for months and was startled by the change. I know the table is sortable by ISO number but the previous list had all the prefectures neatly separated by region, making the map references a breeze. If it doesn't affect anyone's life tremendously, can we keep it like this? (or at least for a couple weeks) User:Incognitocharm 20:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure, no problem. Or you can bookmark an earlier version. For example, click here and then bookmark (or add to favorites or whatever your browser likes). Best wishes for success in your research Fg2 00:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * What about if the color-code is added to the table, to match the map at the bottom? See User:Neier/Sandbox/Prefectures for a start (Tōhoku, Hokkaidō, and Kantō completed). Neier 06:55, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Makes it really graphic. Nice addition! Fg2 07:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

About Togyu
I read the article Togyu. It categorized as Okinawa pref. and Ryukuan culture, and is written solely about the togyu in Okinawa. But it takes place several places in Japan. I asked the main editor to expand the article. What else can I do? (I don't have much interest about togyu.) Oda Mari 05:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It would be interesting to learn more about togyu in other parts of Japan. I wish I had time to learn more about it! I've seen news reports about it but that was a long time ago. I don't remember if they have a stadium like Okinawa has. The only suggestion I can make is to look at the book the Japanese article mentions: 広井忠男『日本の闘牛』高志書院 1998年. Probably that book has information about togyu in other places in Japan. Then you could add a section about Oki, Kuji, Ojiya, and locations like that. I hope that is helpful. Thank you for asking. Fg2 06:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Kunichika
Thanks so much for your helpful edits. --Clhowson 14:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Hopiakuta?
Does "Hopiakuta" mean anything in Japanese? Just curious (it's a username). -- Rick Block (talk) 04:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Nothing comes to mind, although it does have the feeling of a Japanese word or name, doesn't it? A quick search didn't turn up any manga or anime character or place names or anything like that (which is my automatic reaction to things that sound Japanese). Google found a couple hundred Web pages with the username, and the user sometimes interchanges two elements, writing Akutahopi. That's not clicking with Japanese words or phrases either. Intriguing! Fg2 07:00, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

What about this image?
Hi Fg2! I found used on 東京都 page in Ja. WP and thought it not bad. Isn't it used on Tokyo or Shinjuku, Tokyo? What do you think? Best regards. Oda Mari (talk) 14:51, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That's a very good photo. It would be a valuable addition to the article on either Tokyo or Shinjuku (or both). Thank you. Fg2 22:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I put the image in the article Shinjuku, Tokyo, but have no idea where to put in the article Tokyo. It's too crowded! Where do you think the appropriate place? Is it better to ask on the Tokyo talk page?  Best regards. Oda Mari (talk) 05:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * As you know, the article Tokyo has had some controversy about editing recently. So your idea of asking on the talk page is probably the best idea. The article has some evening photographs that are very attractive, but the photograph you mentioned may be more encyclopedic, because it gives a clear view of the skyscrapers of the city. Thanks for adding it to Shinjuku, Tokyo. Fg2 05:20, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi! As you suggested, I added the image to the 23 wards section. I put it in the empty space on the right of the ward list. Thought it better than putting on the top of the section. What do you think of the image size? Is it too big? Change it, if you think it not good. Thank you always. Oda Mari (talk) 15:37, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks good, Mari. Normally I just use the default size (in other words, I don't write a size). However, this part of the article has a big space on the right, and the photo looks good in that space. At least on my screen. Other people have screens that are different sizes so maybe someone will change it. But it looks like the best size for my screen. Thank you! Fg2 21:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The size has already been changed. Nowadays, I mostly do not specify a size, and do not specify a location (left or right). It seems everyone's screen is different, so I've given up trying to find the way it looks best. Fg2 02:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirect of List of english names
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Format question?
Will you please comment or edit the "box" in the Genealogy section of Emperor Sutoku? Also, please look at a similar "box" in the Genealogy sectoin of Emperor Go-Fukakusa? I wonder how better to have handled this ...? --Ooperhoofd 21:24, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I made a couple of small changes. It looks very informative. It anticipates a question a reader might have, and answers it succinctly. Fg2 06:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Stock photography
Hi man, are you the one that used to take care of that page? "List of stock photography archives" was named. It got deleted! I also did some contributions there, what a shame... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brodder (talk • contribs) 03:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * For better or worse, see Articles for deletion/List of stock photography archives. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Alas, it's gone. I might have edited it once or twice (or I might not) but it's sad that it's gone. In my opinion, lists can be useful research tools. It's unfortunate that people oppose them merely for being lists. Oh well... Fg2 10:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi again, I have a copy in my user page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brodder -- After I lost my hard drive I needed the links back, and sadly the Wikipedia page was gone. Lucky me I had an old version in my previous sandbox. --- It'll be there for anyone that needs it :) bye! Brodder —Preceding comment was added at 04:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Fg2 04:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Choice of Copy right
Hello again. You have "Image:Akishino.....jpg" with "Personality rights warning" stub. I would like to up load to Wikimedia commons the similar kind of picture via Japanese edition of Wikimedia Commons with all prompted in Japanese, including "copy right" choice. Could you teach me a selection/choice to have "Personality rights warning" stub in case of English edition with full sentence. I will interpret it then accommodate in Japanese edition. Copy right choice is not easy job to me. Thank you in advance.--Namazu-tron 12:32, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Namazu-tron, and thanks for asking about copyright and personality rights. I do not know much about copyright law. In fact, at Commons, a user has nominated several of my photos for deletion because of something I do not understand about copyright. So I am not a good person to ask about it. Maybe the best thing is to ask a person in the Japanese Wikipedia. They will know about Japanese copyright. You can also ask LERK, who placed the Personality Rights message on that photo's page. LERK is a native speaker of Japanese.


 * In any case, the meaning is simple. The people in the picture (the Prince and Princess) will limit a person's ability to use the photo. It cannot be used for certain purposes such as advertising.


 * I hope that's helpful. Please ask me if you have more questions. Fg2 05:09, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Supposed Engrish Sweatshirt
How exactly does Image:EngrishSweatshirt.jpg show an example of Engrish? the juggreserection 14:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The second sentence in the article includes "strange t-shirt slogans" in the description of Engrish. Fg2 20:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

translating Kume District, Iyo
Thank you for translating parts of the article for Kume District, Iyo. User:BigBang19 8 November 2007 12:37 (PST)

Wishing to describe　for Yoarashi Okinu
I am wished to explain to you why below deleted. They are termed "woman who isn't dead yet" (未亡人). In ancient times in the East, the widow had to commit suicide and follow her husband. In medieval times, the custom was for them to enter monkhood. See Junshi. Tokyo Watcher

Yoji Totsuka
Thank you for your contributions for the article Yoji Totsuka. Regards, Masterpiece2000 14:45, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Health effects of homogenized milk
this regards your procedural decline of PROD here

I will cross-post to User talk:OccamzRazor

I will not be reversing or otherwise changing the impact of your editing with regard to this article; I just wanted to provide context for the recent edits. I removed the PROD notice because it did not contain a reason. I was contacted by the person who placed the original PROD and we were working out the appropriate usage of PROD in this case in that I was assisting the editor to insert a reason for the PROD. My removal of the PROD was procedural and I don't think it is outside acceptable behavior to allow re-PRODding after a procedural decline. It is unfortunate that you took the step you did - not inappropriate based on the letter of the policy, but unfortunate in that I was trying to help an editor to best use this procedure. I do understand that an addition to the edit summary that specifically indicated that rePRODding would be acceptable under the circumstances would be OK would have been the right course for me to take. Regards --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 12:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ceyockey,

It's regrettable that this happened. I don't have an opinion about the article; my removal was also procedural.

Best regards, Fg2 20:41, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Japanese cuisine
Hi Fg2! I don't understand this edit. I asked it to the editor and his reply was this. I think Japanese archaeologists try to find out what Jomon people ate from middens, don't they? And Japanese preference to short grain rice is a prejudice? Am I wrong? Oda Mari (talk) 06:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Mari! I admit, I don't understand that edit either. I think middens provide important physical evidence of Jomon period diet. Regarding "prejudice" for short grain rice, the word I would choose is "preference." And I would not look to the Yayoi period to explain it. The Japanese people (like other people) have changed their food preferences many times in two thousand years and have had many opportunities to select other kinds of rice or different grains; in continuing to favor short grain rice they are making an informed decision, not following a prejudice. If you like, we can discuss this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan so that more people participate. Best regards, Fg2 11:01, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your comment. I'm going to copy my first post and paste it on the WikiProject Japan talk page and ask for others opinion. Best regards. Oda Mari (talk) 13:39, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Aichi-gun
The distinction I am trying to make is that one is a place name and one is an electoral district. It seems silly to me to say that Hideyoshi was born in "Aichi District," which is an electoral district that did not exist until Japan began to hold democratic elections. On the other hand, saying that he was born in the "Aichi district of Owari" works for me. What's more, I'm pretty sure that the Aichi district of Owari and modern-day Aichi District are not 100% congruous.

Spventi 03:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. I don't think the districts have any particularly close connection with elections. They're collections of towns and villages that haven't become cities. Perhaps some coincide with electoral districts -- or perhaps some electoral districts were designed to follow these district lines. I don't know. Have I misunderstood their significance? Fg2 03:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Have you read http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%83%A1OK ? It makes it pretty clear that these were geographically based administrative districts that by the Meiji era had been relegated to mere place names. In any case, that is a red herring. The point is that the place name existed long before the present collection of town and villages did, and further more the area that comprises the present "Aichi District" is not entirely congruent with the area that was known in the 16th century as "the Aichi district of Owari." It's a minor point, to be sure. Spventi 09:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed that the district today is not entirely the same patch of ground as it once was. Districts change, and nowadays the principal reason is cities. When a town becomes a city, or a village or town merges with a city, it leaves the district. So today's 愛知郡 has different boundaries from the one of Hideyoshi's time. So too is 名古屋市 different from the city of the same name in early Meiji, and 奈良市 different from the historic 奈良. Fg2 09:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * And so, following that logic, is it correct to assume that if you were writing a biography of Benjamin Franklin, you would not hesitate to say that he was born in the City of Boston? Spventi 13:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't know. The article on him doesn't say specifically where he was born. Was he born in the city of Boston, or was he born outside of it in a place that later became part of Boston? If the latter, I'd word it more fully. Boston was already a municipality at the time of his birth, as far as I know, and if he was born within the city limits I'd say he was born in Boston. Fg2 21:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The whole point is that there was no City of Boston when he was born. Franklin was born in Boston, Province of Massachusetts Bay, in 1706; the City of Boston, however, did not come into existence until 1822. Spventi 02:30, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * So, I'd omit "city of." Where does that leave us? Fg2 06:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * In two places at once, really. First, you need to be more careful of capitalization, because "the city of Boston" refers a geographic location; the "City of Boston" refers to a municipality. Second, back to the original point, which is that Hideyoshi was born in the "Aichi district of Owari," not "Aichi District," which is a modern-day administrative district, established in the late 19th century. Spventi 21:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

My captialization was intentional. Fg2 23:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Are you Japanese?--Inhomeyoshi 07:49, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No; are you? Fg2 09:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm a Taiwanese. You seem to have quite interest in Japan, but where do you come from? Are you living in Japan now? --Inhomeyoshi 14:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Regardless where Fg2 is living now, his contribution in having more articles on Wikipedia is very much appreciated, as a Japanese. Thanks for your great effort.--Namazu-tron 14:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/USS Watseka (YT-387) follow-up
Hi. You participated in Articles for deletion/USS Watseka (YT-387) which has now closed as "keep". I think it's worth having a more general discussion as to the notability of small noncombatant auxiliaries such as harbour tugs and I have raised this question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Maritime warfare task force. I'm inviting all the AfD participants, both pro and con, to join in with their thoughts on the topic. -- A. B. (talk) 17:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

RE:AfD
I didn't want to crowd the AfD anymore than it is, but I still wanted to address your comment. You said that notability is inherent just because it is a train station. How? I mean when will it stop. How many train, bus, and subway stations are there? Should we have an article on every single one of those? What I am trying to say is that just because something "is", doesn't make it notable. Hope this explains my thoughts. Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 01:02, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * My opinions: There's a big difference between train stations and bus stops. Train stations (especially subway stations) require large investments of capital and can't easily be moved; bus stops don't even require a sign. My opinion is that all train stations are worthy of articles, especially subway stations. If Wikipedia had articles about all of them, it would be a better encyclopedia.


 * It's quite possible neither of us will convince the other. Many discussions end that way. I've been on the side that won some, and on the side that lost others. I've put my opinions into the discussion; now I'll sit back and listen to the other contributors. Best regards, Fg2 (talk) 01:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I understand, and yeah we probably won't convince each other ;-) Thanks for you input and I am going to do the same, cuz this nomination took a lot out of me, haha.  Have a good day/night.  Gonzo fan2007  talk ♦ contribs 01:17, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Japanese horse breeds
Hi! Thanks so much for helping out with Misaki. By the way, there are a total of 8 breeds of horse or pony considered indigenous to Japan, according to the source material I was looking at, there are currently articles on three others, Noma pony, Hokkaido Pony, and Yonaguni (horse). You may want to take a look at those, if you haven't already.

If you are into creating articles, we still need articles on these four other Japanese horse breeds:
 * Kiso
 * Miyako horse (or Miyako pony, depending on how big it is) (will need to also be linked at Miyako disambig page)
 * Toakara
 * Tsushima horse or Tsushima pony (will need to also be linked at Tsushima disambig page)

For the Japanese horse breeds Kiso, Miyako, Toakara, and Tsushima, note very basic statistical info at: "Country Report (For FAO State of the World’s Animal Genetic Resources Process)", Editorial Committee Office of the Japanese Country Report, Animal Genetic Resources Laboratory, National Institute of Agrobiological Sciences, Japan.

If you (or someone you tip off about this need) do decide to create these articles, either give me a heads up, or enter them over on list of horse breeds. Thanks! Montanabw (talk) 05:17, 18 November 2007 (UTC) (accidentally, somehow, the unofficial organizer of some of the horse articles on Wikipedia)

Japanese addressing system
Hi! I saw you posted comment on the talk page. 2 years ago though. The second paragraph of the address elements section is far from the accuracy. I want to edit it but the elements are too complicated for me to edit it right. Could you help me? And recent editors seem not to understand the difference between special wards in Tokyo and designated cities' wards. Not between Machi as towns and as area names too. I posted my comment and info. on the talk page. It would be nice of you to give me an advice. Oda Mari (talk) 18:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Mari! Thanks for pointing that out. I tried to make it more clear. Please check to see if my writing is accurate. I'll also mention this at WikiProject Japan. Best regards, Fg2 (talk) 01:23, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Return quiet days!!!
Please do not move pages to nonsensical titles. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to learn more about moving pages, please see the guidelines on this subject. If you would like to experiment with page titles and moving, please use the test Wikipedia. Thank you.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Closedmouth (talk) 11:57, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Oops
Sorry, that was the fault of Twinkle. It sends that notice to the original author, and because you reverted the pagemove, it assumed you were it. It even did it to me once. Apologies. --Closedmouth (talk) 02:32, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you interest to
put into English version of article which pictured Kayano-ō sugi in the shrine, (Japanese:栢野大杉)in article Cryptomeria which took picture and up the article. Its a world asset.(solicit)--Namazu-tron (talk) 05:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Namazu-tron, I am interested. I am busy but I will try this week. Thank you for telling me about that. Fg2 (talk) 21:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No need to hurry. Take time and hope to be detailed and well reflect original one. Arigatou-thanks Fg2-san. --Namazu-tron (talk) 03:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I gave it a start. You're welcome to help with Great sugi of Kayano. Thanks for the suggestion! Fg2 (talk) 05:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Great! Thanks for Great sugi of Kayano, newly debut--Namazu-tron (talk) 10:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Shinto edits
Thanks Are you sure you want to undo them? I suppose I can help if you're sure they should be reverted. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 10:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem -- it would be quickest if we both worked on them. Best regards, Fg2 (talk) 10:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't think so... I've had a couple of incidents like this, and I don't think there's a quick fix. I'm actually going to bed now - whatever you don't get done, I can do in a few hours. Sorry for any inconvenience. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 10:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Tokyo sister relationships
Oops. Sorry about that. Perhaps I should read the whole article before making changes! :) Thanks for the information! 200.207.152.195 10:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem! Fg2 10:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Miidera
Thanks for the comment.

From Daijisen: みい‐でら〔みゐ‐〕【三井寺／御井寺】 1) 園城寺(おんじょうじ)の異称. 2) 奈良県にある法輪寺の異称. 3)（三井寺）謡曲. 四番目物. さらわれたわが子を尋ねる母が、物狂いとなって近江(おうみ)の三井寺の鐘をつき、子との再会を果たす.

So 御井寺 applies to both according to them.

There are about one hundred Google hits for "御井寺" "園城寺", i.e.: http://www.kokuhoworld.com/bb05.html http://www.rekihaku.otsu.shiga.jp/jiten/data/085.html

The latter gives the reading of 御井寺 as みいのてら, but it is the only website to do so. Bueller 007 (talk) 09:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'd seen some of the Web sites. The Daijisen content especially increases my understanding. Fg2 23:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion
statistics education Thank you for notifying me about the deletion of my proposed entry statistics education. I strongly believe that it should not be deleted since it is a well-established discipline and and educatioanl/research international comminity, similar to the mathematics education entry and community. I am new to editing in Wikipedia, but in the coming days we shall make an effort to edit the item. Please help me in preserving this important entry. Best, Dani--Dbenzvi (talk) 05:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

1703 Genroku earthquake
Hello Fg2. I created the article 1703 Genroku earthquake today. I noticed that you have made several important contributions to articles related to Japan. Can you please add some more information in the article? Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 06:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Renaming 1703 Genroku earthquake?
The naming of this article provides an opportunity to raise a few questions which seem worthy of further discussion. Up until today, the staid style of an article about Mt. Fuji exemplified the model I most preferred:
 * Historic eruptions of Mount Fuji
 * Jōgan eruption
 * Hōei eruption -- Hōei eruption of Mount Fuji, 1707

Gregorian calendar date? A first blush, I wondered how useful is it to begin an article name with a Gregorian calendar date -- especially when the event is better known by in relation to a specific nengō or Japanese era name? But I have noticed that there are a number of Wikipedia articles about earthquake disasters which incorporate the date as an essential part of the title. Would each one be improved significantly by deleting that date?
 * 1556 Shaanxi earthquake
 * 1703 Genroku earthquake>Genroku earthquake? ... Great Genroku earthquake?
 * 1755 Lisbon earthquake
 * 1884 Colchester earthquake
 * 1906 San Francisco earthquake
 * 1923 Great Kantō earthquake -->Great Kantō earthquake?
 * 2004 Chūetsu earthquake
 * 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake

Would it be better to remove Gregorian calendar dates from these titles? In my view, these dates are likely to become a kind of stumbling block for the Wikipedia user; but maybe I've got it precisely backwards? Maybe it's best to accept that this format has become a Wikipedia convention; but if so, how shall I be guided in creating new articles in the future? For example, the following list of significant pre-Meiji period fires in Kyoto comes from Ponsonby-Fane's Kyoto: the Old Capital, 794-1869. Would these as-yet-unwritten articles be significantly improved if the titles were formatted with a Gregorian calendar date?
 * List of Kyoto's Fires
 * Hōei fire --->1705 Hōei fire? ... Great Hōei fire?
 * Nishijin fire --->1730 Nishijin fire?
 * Temmei fire -->1788 Temmei fire? ... Great Temmei fire?
 * Ganji fire -->1864 Ganji fire?

Great? Many events are conventionally known as "great" -- as in the Great Hanshin earthquake of 1995, which includes the following explanation:
 * In early reports, the disaster was often referred to as the "Great Kansai Earthquake" (関西大地震 Kansai-daijishin). Its official name designated by the Japan Meteorological Agency is "The South Hyogo Prefecture Earthquake of 1995" (平成7年兵庫県南部地震 Heisei-shichinen-Hyōgoken-nambu-jishin). Official Japanese publications generally use the phrase "Great Hanshin-Awaji Earthquake Disaster" (阪神・淡路大震災; Hanshin-Awaji-daishinsai), which was selected by the cabinet around February. Some news reports also use the name "South Hyogo Prefecture Earthquake" (兵庫県南部地震 Hyōgoken-nambu-jishin), which is the shortened form of the official JMA title.
 * Great Fire of Meireki, 1657?
 * Great Kantō earthquake, 1923?
 * Great Kansai Earthquake, 1995?

As we all know, there are many earthquakes and many fires in Japanese history. In the context of Japanese history and Wikipedia, which ones need to be called "great"? For example: The Significant Earthquake Database lists an earthquake at Kyoto on the 25th day of the 7th month of the 13th year of Bunsei (文政十三年六月二十五日) or Friday, August 19, 1830 (equicenter: 35.000 latitude/136.000 longitude); but no Richter scale approximation was suggested.Online "Significant Earthquake Database" -- U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), National Geophysical Data Center (NGDC)....Click link for NOAA/Japan: Significant Earthquake Database<./ref> Nevertheless, the earthquake was perceived by Emperor s Ninkō as sufficiently "great" for the era name to be changed:
 * Tenpō gannen (天保元年); December 10, 1830: The new era name of Tenpō (meaning "Heavenly Imperial Protection") was created to mark the disasters of a great fire in Edo and an earthquake at Kyoto. The new era name was created from an hortatory aphorism: "Respect and worship the Ways of heaven. Eternally keep the Mandate of Heaven"  (欽崇天道、永保天命).

If a potential source does happen to provide more information about this specific fire, how should I reasonably expect to entitle a Wikipedia stub article?
 * 1830 Bunsei Fire? ... Busnei Fire? ...Great Bunsei Fire?

For now, I guess I can't do better than to follow the excellent example set by Masterpiece2000. I guess I would entitle the article with the Gregorian date included; and I'd simultaneously create re-directs from alternate plausible names as has been done with 1703 Genroku earthquake. Am I correct in taking this to be the exemplar I should imitate?

If so, should I begin a process of renaming Hōei eruption of Mount Fuji to read 1707 Hōei eruption of Mount Fuji?--Ooperhoofd (talk) 18:50, 12 December 2007 (UTC) ________________________________ Further context for these questions The following may help provide helpful context:


 * List of natural disasters by death toll
 * Great Kanto earthquake, 1923 -- 140,000 deaths
 * Great Ansei Nankai Quakes (安政南海地震), 1854 -- 85,000 deaths
 * Meiō Nankai earthquake (明応地震), 1498 --40,000 deaths
 * Genroku earthquake (元禄大地震), 1703 -- 37,000 deaths
 * Great Hōei Earthquake (宝永大地震), 1707 -- 30,000 deaths
 * Kamakura earthquake, 1293 -- 23,700 deaths
 * Mino-Owari Earthquake, 1891 -- 7,273 deaths
 * Great Hanshin earthquake, 1995 -- 6,433 deaths
 * Fukui earthquake, 1948


 * List of historic fires
 * Great Fire of Meireki, 1657
 * San Francisco earthquake and fire, 1906
 * Great Tokyo Fire following the Great Kantō earthquake, 1923
 * Great Hakodate Fire, 1934 -- 2,166 deaths


 * Historic tsunami
 * 684 - Great Hakuho Earthquake, Japan (白鳳大地震)
 * 887 - Ninna Nankai Quake, Japan (仁和南海地震)
 * 1293 - Kamakura Quake (鎌倉大地震)
 * 1361 - Shōhei Nankai Quake, Japan (正平 & 康安）南海地震)
 * 1498 - Meiō Nankai, Japan (明応地震)
 * 1605 - Keichō Nankaido, Japan (慶長地震)
 * 1698 - Seikaido-Nankaido, Japan
 * 1703 Genroku earthquake, Japan (元禄大地震)
 * 1707 - Great Hōei Earthquake (宝永大地震)
 * 1755 - Lisbon, Portugal
 * 1771 - Yaeyama Islands, Okinawa, Japan (八重山地震)
 * 1792 - Volcanic Tsunami in Kyūshū, Japan (島原大変肥後迷惑) -- eruption of Mount Unzen
 * 1854 - Great Ansei Nankai Quakes, Japan (安政南海地震)
 * 1855 - Great Ansei Edo Quake of Japan (安政江戸大地震）
 * 1868 - Hawaiian Islands local tsunami generated by earthquake
 * 1883 - Krakatoa explosive eruption
 * 1896 - Meiji Sanriku Quake, Japan (明治三陸地震)
 * 1923 - The Great Kanto Earthquake, Japan (関東大震災)
 * 1933 - Showa Sanriku Quake, Japan (昭和三陸地震)
 * 1944 - Tonankai Earthquake, Japan (東南海地震)
 * 1946 - Nankai Earthquake, Japan (南海地震)
 * 1964 - Niigata Earthquake (新潟地震)
 * 1983 - Sea of Japan tsunami (日本海中部地震)
 * 1993 - Okushiri, Hokkaido tsunami (北海道南西沖地震)]
 * 2006 - Kuril Islands tsunami
 * 2007 - Niigata earthquake (新潟県中越沖地震


 * Hi Ooperhoofd, You make some good points but these require the consensus of lots of editors. First, they're Japan-related so you might want to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan. Second, they're earthquake- and tsunami-related, so there might be other projects with naming conventions. Let me know where you post this. I'll be interested in following the discussion. Best regards, Fg2 (talk) 20:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. As you suggested, I did post this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan.--Ooperhoofd (talk) 21:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll follow it there. Fg2 (talk) 21:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

HELP! With Japanese
Hi, can you help settle a petty edit war over at Mare (horse)? The spat is over the following sentence: "Interestingly, in many East Asian languages, the word for "horse" sounds very similar to "mare", such as the Korean 말 (mar),[9] Chinese ma,[citation needed] and Japanese uma.[citation needed]"

Essentially, I didn't create this, but it is a rather intriguing homophonic parallel and fun to keep in the article. However, another user thinks it's "original research" and keeps blanking it. I see no reason to blank it and would like to source it instead. Babelfish showed that the Korean character is correct (and I assume whoever added this knew how to pronounce the word). Thus, could you kindly consider adding the Japanese character for Uma to the article, perhaps with some source that verifies that "this is the character for "horse" which in Japanese is pronounced "uma"?? If you can't that's OK, but I'd hate to toss something verifiable. Many thanks.  Also if you know folks fluent in Korean or Chinese, can you tip them off to this, also?  Montanabw (talk) 20:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Somebody beat me to it. Such resemblances are intriguing, aren't they! Fg2 (talk) 01:25, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas


Hello! I wish you a Merry Christmas and all the best in the new year. - Darwinek (talk) 12:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Photo of Kyoto Museum
Thanks for adding the photograph of the Kyoto Manga Museum to the manga article. I posted a few questions on the talk page of the manga article, asking what the photograph adds to the article. Could you perhaps respond on the manga talk page? Thank you. Timothy Perper (talk) 03:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for Your Comments on Peer Review of Manga article
I'm one of the people who's been working on bringing this article up to GA status. Your comments are very helpful, and thanks for the careful reading. A number of the problems you mention arise because a variety of people have worked on the article, adding things in different styles and formats. One of our biggest problems has been cleaning up the resulting mess. Our first priority was bringing the sourcing up to something resembling GA status and balancing the coverage of topics. We've started to work on various formatting problems. We will take your comments to heart and see what we can do. Once again, thanks for taking the time to look at the article. Timothy Perper (talk) 15:55, 23 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry to bother you again, but some questions came up about your comments on the manga article. Here's one example, where you wrote:


 * "Second, there's a fruit salad of orthographic styles. The same name is written variously, for example with or without macrons, or with long vowels written as ou. Japanese words suffer the same fate (shojo and shōjo, for example). Is "Aikawa Minwa" correct? There's a spelling error in the transliteration of Versailles."


 * Yes, there are some problems about spelling, which I'm trying to fix. But --


 * Aikawa Minwa: I didn't write this paragraph; a Japanese editor did. What do you mean "correct"? There assuredly was a Japanese artist from the Kyoto-Osaka region named Aikawa Minwa who wrote a book called Manga Hyakujo ( = Sketches of a Hundred Women) around 1814. Are you saying that we need a source? One is Item #99 on http://www.antiqbook.com/zitabooks/zita2004-2.html and another is http://new.artnet.com/Artists/LotDetailPage.aspx?lot_id=7F9BF79312FA01E2C115697FE7BD3647, both of which are book auction houses. I have no idea how long the book will be listed. Or are you asking about the transliteration of his name?


 * BTW, I changed "Beresaiyu" to "Berusaiyu."


 * Thanks. Timothy Perper (talk) 16:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reassurance about Aikawa Minwa. All I wanted was to check & make sure it wasn't a transcription errors. Thanks also for the change to Berusaiyu. Fg2 (talk) 22:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Timothy Perper (talk) 01:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Daijō-kan, Gemmei, etc.
I don't think I noticed that you were an administrator, which means (I guess) this is not appropriately addressed to you -- but if not you, who?
 * ALARM: Most of the citations in articles I've created over the past year seem to have suddenly turned RED ... not only in this specific article but in several others I quickly checked.  What happened?  I'm guessing that this appears to be a sudden systemic change -- an error not attributable to me?  something bigger than me?

In each of the articles I have created, the consolidated in-line citations have been "named" with the first letter of the author's last name plus the relevant page number; ergo -- I've NOT created a name a mere integer ... and, although there has been no problem prior to 27 December 2007/17:00 (EST) ... everything has suddenly gone awry. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 22:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * PROBLEM SOLVED
 * This was a site-wide error, now fixed. See Village pump (technical) You may have to purge your cache however to see the fix.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:12, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. I'm not an administrator, and hadn't noticed the problem, but it's nice to know it has been corrected. Fg2 (talk) 00:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Tourism in Japan
An article that you have been involved in editing, Tourism in Japan, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Tourism in Japan. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 20:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Tourism in Tokyo
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Saltbox FPC
Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I uploaded an edit that deals with the blue cast that you mentioned. I completely desaturated the fully exposed snow. Let me know if that takes care of the problem. -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 02:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC) Actually, apparently the nomination was just closed as a promotion, so thanks for your time anyway. -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 02:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! It's a nice photo and deserved promotion.