User talk:Fg2/Archive07

Glossary of Japanese history
Hi. I added some terms to the glossary as you suggested, and noticed that there are no nihongo templates and that some terms are capitalized, and some aren't (for example "Shikken" and "shogun"). I would like to fix this and standardize the article, but before I would like to hear your opinion, because this isn't my home turf, so to speak, and I don't want to step on someone's toes. Should the terms be capitalized or not, and do you think the templates are necessary? urashimataro (talk) 00:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Urashimataro, Thanks for the comments on the glossary. It's not my turf either, so consider my opinion to be just one of many. I'd suggest capitalizing any entry that is a proper name (e.g. Heian, Meiji). It's often difficult to figure out just what is a proper name, and in my opinion it wouldn't be a problem if every entry were capitalized, whereas it would be a problem if proper names were lowercased. Still, the purpose of a glossary is to provide ready reference, and capitalization is one of the things a reader might want to know, so appropriate selective capitalization would be beneficial, especially since Wikipedia article titles are capitalized so the information on capitalization is not present in the article titles. The specific examples you gave, "Shikken" and "shogun," are similar and should be styled similarly; my opinion would be that they should both begin with lowercase letters.


 * We generally don't provide Japanese script for terms that are linked to articles. The rationale is that the Japanese is in the opening line of the article, and frequent interruption of the text with kanji makes it difficult to read. Glossaries, however, are intended to be concentrated sources of information, and are not to be read as text, paragraph after paragraph. For these reasons I'd suggest writing Japanese text for entries, but not for terms in the definitions of entries. So, for example,


 * Kubō (公方) - Shōgun. Title later also assumed by the Kantō kanrei, who became known as Kantō kubō.


 * has Japanese text exactly where I would suggest putting it. It might be worthwhile, however, when an explanation contains a term that doesn't have its own article and also doesn't have an entry in the glossary, to provide the Japanese for it.


 * The glossary, like most Wikipedia articles, has been written by a community, which is something less-organized than a committee. As a result, there are lots of other inconsistencies in addition to the ones you mentioned. In the explanation of Kubō, "shōgun" has a macron, which runs counter to Manual of Style (Japan-related articles). It and similar words are styled variously throughout the glossary, sometimes with italics indicating a foreign word, sometimes beginning with an uppercase letter etc. Similarly, "daimyō" is pretty well accepted in English without the macron, and I've consistently argued in favor of styling it as an English word (no macron, no italics). In both of these, particularly "daimyō," there are editors whose opinions I respect who disagree with me. Yet I maintain my opinion, following Manual of Style. I believe the Chicago Manual of Style, in the section on Japanese and Chinese terms, cites "daimyo" as a word to style as English, not as foreign, but I don't have that book at hand so I can't confirm it now.


 * Regarding templates, the glossary doesn't generally use them. I don't have an opinion either way about converting plain text to templates. However, I would suggest that if you use a template, you use the one that does not display the question mark (is it nihongo2 or nihongo3? I can never remember), since there's no need for the question mark to appear on every entry. A single link to Help:Japanese, placed in the introduction before the first entry, would serve the purpose.


 * Those are the opinions of one editor. I don't have feelings of ownership over the article, and won't be offended if your judgment is different from mine. Thanks, though, for asking! Fg2 (talk) 02:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Fg2. I proceeded with the changes. describing them in the article's talk page. I decided to use as a guide the Cambridge History of Japan. In it, all government posts are in the lower case. I plan to work on the article as a whole at least once more, as I am sure there is still much to be done. Let me know what you think. urashimataro (talk) 01:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi again, Urashimataro. The glossary looks much better. I've put just a couple of touches on it, mostly updating links to articles that have probably been created since the entries were added to the glossary (in fact, I might have added some of them -- both articles and entries). It's good to have more people involved in this glossary. Many thanks for your improvements! Fg2 (talk) 11:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Edit battle by Japanese and Korean
"Edit battle by a Japanese and Korean people" started again. This topic of discussion is "In ancient Japan, Korean people was a ruler. "　Will you write your opinion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.175.255.217 (talk) 12:06, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Japanese film
Hello, what is an English title or romanized Japanese title of 1939 御存知東男 film at http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~uy7k-ymst/hhei1/hkch2.htm? Thank you for your help. --Snek01 (talk) 15:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The poster shows the pronunciation as 「ごぞんぢあづまをとこ」which would be modernized as 「ごぞんじあずまおとこ」Gozonji Azuma Otoko. Thanks for all your articles on jidaigeki films! Fg2 (talk) 20:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Great! Thank you. Article started Gozonji Azuma Otoko. Should not there be Gozonji azuma otoko? --Snek01 (talk) 23:41, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You mean a redirect, or rename the article, or a separate article?


 * Separately, we've got Category:Jidaigeki films available for films in this genre. These would make good additions. Fg2 (talk) 00:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello, could you please romanize Japanese titles of films at Template:WPFILMS_Announcements/Japanese_cinema. Thank you for your help. --Snek01 (talk) 23:40, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Did what I could. The Japanese sites, for the most part, don't indicate pronunciation, so I guessed based on the components. Wikipedia is an exception, and the film with an article in the Japanese Wikipedia does show the pronunciation. The one on Shimizu appears to be erroneously listed in IMDB. It's possible that the film was actually released with the romaji "Shimisu." If so, you'd probably do well to copy from the film or its publicity materials; lacking that information, writing the title "Shimizu" and explaining the IMDB spelling in a footnote seems best. Fg2 (talk) 00:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Very good!
 * I started one article Ninkyō Shimizu-minato.
 * I added poster to 婦系図 湯島の白梅 and some links to this 1955 film Template:WPFILMS_Announcements/Japanese_cinema. --Snek01 (talk) 12:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I started articles that titles you helped me to romanize. Could you romanize next two more at Template:WPFILMS Announcements/Japanese cinema, please? --Snek01 (talk) 00:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Front desk
Since you contested the prod I wanted to let you know I put the article up for AfD.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 03:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. I'll sit back a while and watch the community form a consensus, but might pitch in later. Fg2 (talk) 03:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Opopoa
Thanks for keeping an eye out and noticing these new articles by User:Opopoa, such as Rescue of Mitsunari and Siege of Edo Castle. They certainly do seem to be based on video games... he cites Sengoku Musou 2 under references (hilarious) and no actual books or articles.

Even if these are genuine historical events, the articles are very poorly written, not at all consistent with WP standards for style, format, tone.. What do you suppose we ought to do? Clean them up? Put cleanup tags on them? Prod them for deletion? I am unsure as to what I think I want to, or ought to, do, and so I'm asking for your thoughts on the matter. Thanks. LordAmeth (talk) 15:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd say proposing deletion is doomed from the start, since the author is actively editing them and is likely to protest. There's nothing particularly wrong with articles about video games, as long as the article clearly identifies them as non-historic events. I'll take out the "prominent people of the Sengoku period" templates since battles are not people. Beyond that I'm not inclined to do much cleaning up. The author is attending to that, bit by bit. But the goal of an encyclopedia article may be a stretch for him/her . . .  If you're inclined to clean it up, go for it! Fg2 (talk) 22:36, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

film article corrected
Thank you for recognizing my error in the film article. I deleted the wrong file and article. I started the article as a new with correct name Zoku Aoi sanmyaku Yukiko no maki. --Snek01 (talk) 23:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Usa Shrine
I am always pleased when you take the time to edit my work; and the edits you've made at Usa Shrine are in most cases so obvious that I find myself wondering why I didn't write it your way to begin with. However, I'd appreciate it if you'd expand the explanation for deleting the following:
 * "In 1063, Minamoto Yoritomo established Tsurugaoka Hachiman-gū to spread Hachiman's protective influence over Kamakura; and today this shrine attracts more visitors than any other shrine in Japan."

Perhaps my intention would have been clearer if the last clause had been modified to explain that "... today this branch shrine attracts more visitors than any other shrine in Japan"?

Your edit summary mentioned that Yoritomo hadn't been born yet, and my first-blush response was to wonder how I could have made an error like that?

I created this article because I thought it would help establish a better context for resolving a question I had about one sentence which was formerly in the first paragraph of Iwashimizu Hachiman-gū -- see Talk:Iwashimizu Hachiman-gū.

I have created a "Branch shrines" sub-section and restored the deleted sentence without mentioning Yoritomo. What do you think? --Tenmei (talk) 18:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * An unexpected problem -- I did something wrong when I tried to create the "Branch shrines" sub-section. I'll seek administrator's help to revert my work so I can re-do it. --Tenmei (talk) 18:24, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello Tenmei, and thanks for writing an article about this interesting and important shrine. I've looked into the Kamakura Hachiman matter, and found that Helen Hardacre's book as shown on Google Books says what you attributed to it. Why that book has Yoritomo establishing a government and a shrine in Kamakura in 1063, despite the fact that he was not born until 1147 (and established the Kamakura Shogunate in 1192), is a mystery. The founder of the shrine was a different Minamoto. Looking at the shrine's own history page, you'll see the 1063 date that Hardacre gave, but they attribute their founding to 源頼義 (Minamoto no Yoriyoshi). Of course, Yoriyoshi clearly was not the Minamoto Hardacre described: "…first of the Kamakura shoguns, when he moved his government to Kamakura… ." You may wish to add the correct information to the article on the Usa Shrine. Thanks again for the article! Fg2 (talk) 21:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Tokugawa template
I'm surprised that I made such a singularly awkward spelling error; but I'm glad you caught it before anyone else. --Tenmei (talk) 01:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm glad nobody's counting my spelling mistakes! Fg2 (talk) 02:12, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Honji suijaku
Hi Fg2. I have a favor to ask. An anonymous editor modified rather heavily the article Honji suijaku which I wrote without a valid reason or explanation. I would like you to take a look and see if I can consider this vandalism and revert. One more thing: how do I revert four separate changes? Thanks in advance.

urashimataro (talk) 07:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi U.T., I've glanced at the changes made by the IP editor. I would not consider them to constitute vandalism; they appear well-intentioned. Certainly, I know very little about the topic, so I cannot comment on whether they improve the article or not. However, the replacement of the last sentence with unsourced speculation would be a good candidate for reverting.


 * The repeated changes are the replacement of "gods" with "deities" and the capitalization of "Buddha" and derived forms. I normally use lowercase for the word "deity" and uppercase for "Buddha" and "Bodhisattva," but I don't see anything in Manual of Style (capital letters) about the latter. Is the word "deity" problematic here?


 * There's also an unexplained removal of the text about farming and fishing. The removal puzzles me.


 * Why not open a discussion on the Talk page of the article? Depending on the editor's reaction, you might ultimately decide to revert any or all of the changes.


 * In answer to your technical question, to revert to the last version prior to a series of changes, look at the edit history, click the version you want to keep (which might be the latest version by you, for example), click the Edit button, enter an edit summary, and click Save Page. Some editors use fancy tools I don't know much about, so I can't help with those. There's also Rollback. If you've applied for and been granted Rollback privileges, a Rollback link appears in the edit history and some other pages. This is only for reverting clear vandalism, and since I wouldn't characterize these changes as vandalism, I'd not use that.


 * I hope that answers your questions. The article is interesting and informative. I wish I knew more about the topic. Fg2 (talk) 10:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, Buddha and buddha are not the same thing: a buddha is an enlightened one. Pure Land for paradise is not clear, and deleting sentences without a valid reason is not acceptable. I will revert and invite him to a discussion. thanks urashimataro (talk) 11:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

shinto and the kojiki
now that i look at your talk page, i realize that you are much more well-versed in japanese scholarship than i had previously thought. the reason i added mention of the kojiki into both the shinto and kami articles was because i had recently learned a great deal about them without ever discovering (or thinking i ought to) the name of the oldest text we have describing them. words like "folklore" and "ancient imperial religion" always seemed to suffice, but i think now that they should not. upon learning of the kojiki, i was eager to avail other casual students of shinto of this informaion. the reason i put both mentions at the top of their respective pages was because i now think it rather important to consider what source we have proving the religion's age and something of its origins. why do you say that CE is not in the style of the article? it seems to be clear, informative, and historically accurate to me, and therefore in the style of a historical article. What makes a man turn neutral? (talk) 12:59, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Oda Nobunaga
I wrote on this page that the japanese fraudster Kazutsugi Nami is inspired by Oda. Someone removed it...please reply on my talk page...thanks... Jon Ascton    (talk)  04:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Buddhist temples in Japan
Hi. I am planning to expand the article Buddhist temples in Japan and I would like to have your input about what I am about to do. I am far from being an expert on the subject and I want to limit myself for the time being to adding a simple nomenclature section divided in subsections, so each can be linked to directly when needed, containing first of all shichidō garan, then sanmon, sōmon, hokkedō, hondō, midō, yakushidō, tō and whatever else I can think of. What do you think? Would it be better to create instead a separate Buddhist architecture glossary like the Japanese history one? Many of the entries would be, at least initially, very short.

On a different note, about Usa Hachiman above, as you probably know 1063 is the date of foundation of Moto Hachiman in Zaimokuza by Minamoto no Yoriyoshi. Tsurugaoka Hachiman-gū uses it as its own foundation date. urashimataro (talk) 06:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Urashimataro, and thanks for asking about Buddhist temples in Japan. I've been thinking this over and first want to say your plan seems beneficial to the article. It's difficult for me to figure out whether it would be better within the article or as a standalone glossary. It's nice that a Wiki can be split or merged later, so the decision needn't be permanent. Either way, it'll be a pleasure to watch it grow, and I'll contribute what I know, although perhaps you give me credit for too much!


 * Regarding Moto Hachiman, you're way ahead of me. I was unaware of that fact (although I may have read it). Thanks for calling that to my attention.


 * Best regards, Fg2 (talk) 12:17, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. I was going to suggest contacting User:LordAmeth, but again you're ahead of me! Fg2 (talk) 12:21, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Question
Why are Hojutsu and Hojutsu Ryu separate articles? Seems to me they should be merged. (reply here please) ~EdGl   (talk)  21:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * A ryu is not the same as the art. By definition, it's one tradition of practice of the art. Also, Hojutsu Ryu is an article almost entirely about the modern ryu. It makes sense to have a separate article about the original that isn't about a single modern practice. And assuming Hojutsu Ryu is significant enough to merit an article (which I guess it is), this article can stand on its own. The Japanese Wikipedia article gives a good look at what Hojutsu could develop into. It has several paragraphs, and mentions ten ryu, three of which already have their own articles. This would be a good model for English coverage of the martial art: a base article on the art, and separate articles on the ryu. That's my thinking. Hope that explains it. Fg2 (talk) 12:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I formulated a paragraph-long response, but I just read Potential, not just current state which, although not policy, makes sense. I'll leave these articles alone and hopefully Hojutsu will develop into a full-fledged article. ~EdGl   (talk)  15:08, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Joyu Redirection?????
You redirected joyu? -_-; Don't you think it should have it's own article, just like seiyuu does????? After all, IT IS STILL A JAPANESE TERM THAT IS NOTABLE.(LonerXL (talk) 18:20, 8 March 2009 (UTC))


 * Good question. I'd suggest asking at WikiProject Japan. That way, the answer won't depend on me. Your chances are good that some more people will be interested in the topic. Best regards, Fg2 (talk) 07:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Atomic vs Nuclear
Re: this edit - Ed reverted it a short time later saying it was less accurate, and I agree. "Nuclear" is ambiguous - it can refer to atomic or hydrogen bombs. Atomic is more accurate. Raul654 (talk) 17:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I disagree. Fg2 (talk) 22:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Image
Hi Fg2! I don't think the image of genkan is not good. Maybe this one is better. Others I found at Flickr are, , , and. Which do you think good? Could you upload any of these? I am not sure that I could do that properly. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 07:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Oda Mari! Thanks for pointing out the photo of genkan. I agree that we can do better. I looked at all the photos you suggested, and liked the first one best. Unfortunately, the license is not good. If you go to Commons and click Upload file, then click It is someone else's work from Flickr, you get to a page that tells you all about the licenses on Flickr. It says whether Commons accepts photos with each license or not. The one you suggested is not acceptable on Commons. Maybe it's acceptable on Wikipedia, because Wikipedia has different requirements, but I'm not sure. A different strategy is to take a photo of my own genkan and upload it. Then I can be sure there is no copyright problem. (However, I can't promise it will be artistically good!) I'll try to take a picture soon. It seems best if the photo illustrates the relationship between the genkan and the outdoors (or the door), and the relationship between the genkan and the interior (showing the height difference and, perhaps, different floor material), and the shoes and getabako. That's a challenge. I'll try to take a picture soon if I have time. Best regards, Fg2 (talk) 22:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi again. I uploaded two photos to Commons and put them in a new Category:Genkan. One of them is now in the article genkan. Please let me know if these are good enough. Fg2 (talk) 04:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow! How can I thank you enough? That's the image of genkan. The former image was....photograph of dirty shoes. Thank you very much, Fg2! Oda Mari (talk) 06:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC) I added the other image too. I think that makes the better understanding of genkan. Correct my English if my addition was not good. Oda Mari (talk) 06:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Star

 * I agree with Oda Mari. You take some excellent photos. :) ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Buddhist temples in Japan all over again
Hi, Fg2. Since the last time we discussed Buddhist temples I have been too busy to work on Wikipedia, but now it seems the storm is over, so I intend to start working on expanding Buddhist temples in Japan. (I have already added a short section). There are a couple of things I would like, if I may, to discuss with you, before I waste time working in the wrong direction.

What I wanted to do, a list of the most common buildings within a temple, turns out to be more complex than I thought. I have just started, and I have already almost 40 terms to define, with more to come. The quantity in itself is no problem, I have time, but I clearly cannot put all that stuff in the article. Or can I? What do you think? Maybe I could write a short section on the subject and put a "Main" link pointing to a glossary. The glossary could have also a photo gallery with examples of each structure. The glossary itself seems to be a good idea, and so seems to be a Shinto shrine architectural glossary. What could I call them? "Glossary of Japanese Buddhist architecture" and "Glossary of Shinto shrine architecture"?

I asked LordAmeth if he could to add to it a link to the glossary to the Shinto shrine template. What do you think could be done to link the Buddhist temple glossary to Buddhist temple articles? Can't think of anything. Thanks. Sorry for pestering you again. urashimataro (talk) 06:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi UT, and thanks for the questions about the article on Buddhist temples in Japan. I've been thinking about this since I first read it a few days ago. In brief, I'd say my first preference is for a glossary separate from the article, since as you noted there would be a lot of terms. But I would not oppose placing it within the article. Looking at the rough draft in your user space, the initial reaction is that it provides a good framework for expansion. In a glossary, it seems more sensible to put all senses of a term under one header, rather than separating them into sections on Zen and Other; that would simplify the structure even if some entries became compound. It occurs to me that if liberally illustrated it could serve as a way for a reader to discover the term for something one only knows by sight, e.g. katōmado. The titles you suggested appear workable, although by dropping "architecture" the scope would broaden a bit to encompass gardens, statuary, and related terms (hopefully without including a "list of Buddhist temples in Japan"). This looks like a valuable addition to Wikipedia. Thanks for taking on the task. Fg2 (talk) 01:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Haken giri
I guess you are native English speaker and can understand Japanese, please correct the article of Haken giri about words, grammar in flowing English style.ピノキオ (talk) 03:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Glossary of Shinto terms
Hi, Fg2. I am finishing the Glossary of Shinto terms (took your advice). I am still busy with work, but I plan to finish it this weekend. I decided to start with Shinto because it's a simpler subject.

I would like, if I may, to ask you two things. First, do you know how to add a link to the glossary to the Shinto shrine template? If not, do you know someone who knows? Second, I couldn't find some photos for the gallery (for example of a sessha or of a tamagushi). I know you take photos. Can you see if you can find some?

One last thing: how about using bold for words within a definition that are defined somewhere else in the glossary? Sorry for disturbing you so aften, but I need the feedback.

urashimataro (talk) 02:13, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi UT. Just looked at the draft in your user space. It's coming along nicely.


 * Editing a template is no problem. If the template you mean is Shinto2, just go to it, click its Edit button, and you'll see lines like |data13 =  List of Shinto shrines . Make a new line for |data14 = Glossary of Shinto terms (or whatever name you choose) and test it. It worked for me.


 * I'll look for photos. Hope to have some free time for this over the weekend. Thanks for using some of my photos.


 * Boldface type for words that are defined elsewhere would be a good visual cue that they have definitions in the article. If you do link to headers for each term, they would be blue by default. That's the same color as links to other articles, so readers might be surprised when, for example, the word "tamagushi" as a header links to Tamagushi whereas the word "tamagushi" in another definition links to the definition of the term in the glossary. I'm not sure that's a bad thing, though. But boldface seems fine.


 * If you're looking for content suggestions, you could add terms from architecture, such as gongen-zukuri, taisha-zukura, chigi, katsuogi. Many guidebooks illustrate types of roofs, including number of sides, gables and similar features, as well as materials and supporting brackets. Much of this is common to Shinto shrines and Buddhist temples. Any thoughts on where this sort of material should be placed? Fg2 (talk) 06:51, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Check Futarasan Shrine to see if any of the named shrines within the compound qualify as sessha. For example, the Hie Shrine. Fg2 (talk) 10:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Chigi are visible in File:Kashihara M6522.jpg. However, I believe they're on a building not visible beyond the visible naihaiden. Fg2 (talk) 10:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Chigi and katsuogi are illustrated in File:Chigi-Katsuogi-DSC1628.jpg. Fg2 (talk) 11:21, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * These are shide, right? File:NikkoPaperOffering5174.jpg Fg2 (talk) 12:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * For tōrō, see Commons:Category:Stone lanterns and Commons:Category:Kenrokuen for some stone lanterns, as well as examples below.Fg2 (talk) 13:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Fg2 (talk) 10:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

And what omamori!!! :-)

Thanks.


 * Here's a hokora. I also created a category on Commons for hokora. Fg2 (talk) 03:23, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I've added omikuji paraphernalia. Check Commons:Category:Kamigamo-jinja for other shrine-related things too. Fg2 (talk) 09:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

The article is on line as Glossary of Shinto. Linked it to the Shinto2 and Infobox Shinto shrine templates. It goes without saying that it is a work in progress, but I need to change subject for a while. Feel free to change anything you want, photos included. I will start now the Buddhism glossary, a much tougher nut to crack. Thanks, as always, for your help. urashimataro (talk) 00:49, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Glossary of Japanese Buddhism
Hi, Fg2. One last thing, then I will let you be. If you have time and desire, feel free to do with the Glossary of Japanese Buddhism as you did with the Glossary of Shinto. urashimataro (talk) 00:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks once again for all your work on these articles. I may be able to locate appropriate photos to illustrate some terms, and thanks yet again for using some of mine already. Fg2 (talk) 10:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. urashimataro (talk) 05:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Boys Be Ambitious Question
Hello,

The Amherst Historical Society is publishing a book entitled Amherst A to Z: 1759 to 2009. We are looking to include a photo of the statue of William Smith Clark, and we love the one you posted to the Wikipedia page about Clark. We were wondering if you have a higher resolution of the photo you would be willing to send to us to include in the book. The photo we are interested in is the statue is of Clark extending an arm and the caption is "Boys, be ambitious!"

If you have a higher resolution image you would be willing to send that would be great! You can contact me at kmmac1@student.umass.edu. I really look forward to hearing from you.

592KatieM (talk) 21:14, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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Opinion requested
Hi, Fg2. Sorry to be pestering you again, but I am getting lost. I would like your opinion on a couple of things. (Tried to find one elsewhere and failed.)

1) Would you capitalize words like Main Hall, Yakushido and the like? 2) As you know, there are zillions of words that mean stupa, sotōba, pagoda, buttō, gorintō, hōkyōintō. Do you think I should group them all under one word to emphasize the fact they are in fact in a sense the same thing and an important symbol? And if so, which word? Stupa, tō or what? 3) I was wondering if it makes sense to show readers photos of a hattō, a yakushidō, and so on when there is no visible exterior difference between them. I did add a -dō definition to the list in which I make it clear there is no visible difference between halls. urashimataro (talk) 00:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Those are thorny questions. I don't pretend to have right answers, but my intuition tells me to capitalize words clearly connected to names like Yakushi, so I'd write "Yakushidō" (and "Amidadō" and similar names). Especially if I were to hyphenate "-dō," I'd want a capital letter on "Yakushi." I would not capitalize "main hall" except when referring to that building at a named temple, so I'd write "In a temple, the main hall is the building . . . " but "The Main Hall of Jōsai-ji dates from 1471" (if there were such a building).


 * For stupa-shaped structures, I'd provide separate entries for each name, as well as an umbrella term like "stupa." It seems writers use "stupa" as an English explanation of various towers, yet I'm not convinced native speakers of English actually know what a stupa is. But just following common practice, I'd probably use that as the central entry. It would be worth noting, in a glossary of Japanese Buddhism, that the word is not Japanese, and to give in the entry a range of Japanese words for relatives of the stupa. Galleries can show examples to illustrate the commonality and variety among pagodas, say, and again among gorintō. (The gallery can be in the separate article on the topic, or on Commons, if it doesn't fit well in the glossary.)


 * Your point about kinds of dō makes sense. You can choose not to illustrate them separatly, or to select illustrations that show a variety of architectural periods or materials, the differences among sects, or some other interesting feature.


 * I haven't fully thought through these issues. You might find they're too much work, or not what you want for the glossary. But I hope you'll find something worth pursuing here. Best regards, Fg2 (talk) 13:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. BTW, I have info that may be of interest to you, who seem to like visiting Kamakura. Last Sunday I discovered that Chōju-ji in Kita Kamakura, which used to be closed to the public, is now open on weekends. I visited it and found it to be brand new, but extremely beautiful. Professional cameras are not allowed, but pocket ones are (the idea being that you shouldn't visit a temple to take photos). urashimataro (talk) 23:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Unnecessary apology
No need for apology. The initial feedback from three who'd already worked on Primary source helped me see that my contribution was premature. More fine-tuning is necessary. I especially appreciated the critical comment which helped me see that what I'd so carefully crafted might construed as contrary to WP:NOR. I didn't recognize what I'd done until it was pointed out, and then the flaw in my work seemed so plain, so obvious.

Sometimes we learn from our mistakes. --Tenmei (talk) 22:24, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Toyotomi Hideyoshi
I am moving the information from the linked "article" to the article of the person being referenced as it was marked inappropriate to just list it all on one page. Personally, I find it silly too. If you don't feel it belongs there, by all means, keep removing it. And while you're at it, be sure to go and remove the same type of information from the articles like Cao Cao and Huang Gai. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lycentia (talk • contribs) 03:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

-"I invite you to join the discussion?" And get into a debate with a bunch of know-it-alls who think their word is law? No, thank you. BTW, I changed it from "In popular culture" to "Modern References" to avoid confusion Lycentia (talk) 07:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Prosecutors office
Dear Fg2, thanks for "general editing" on Tsuyoshi Kusanagi.

You chose "public prosecutor's office" for "検察庁". I prefer "public prosecutors office" and this time I used the latter in accordance with the source by Nikkei. This sounds grammatically strange a bit, but this is also used in the Web site of 検察庁.

Just now I consulted 『法令用語日英標準対訳辞書』("Standard Bilingual Dictionary") Ver. 3.0 (site link) to know it shows only the latter. Any statute law (成文法) of Japan (even the Constitution) doesn't have official translation. If a completed guideline doesn't exist for Wikipedia on legal terms in non-English language, this dictionary can be a useful guideline.

By the way, I added 'driving with alcohol' again. One can not be punished only because of alcohol detection, according to the Road Traffic Act (道路交通法, 第百十七条の二の二). 'Driving drunk' is used in news reports, but there's no need for the driver to get obviously drunken already.

Thanks.--Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 19:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Dumpty-Humpty, for the explanation. Leaving out "driving with alcohol" was a mistake; I'm sorry about that. Thanks for the information on the "Standard Bilingual Dictionary." I was not aware of it. Best regards, Fg2 (talk) 22:32, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Torchic.jpg
Hi, I never really proposed an image for deletion on Wikipedia before. How would I do that correctly? The person who uploaded it is silly. We want the actual Sugimori art of the Pokemon. Not what he uploaded. Thanks, --&#39;&#39;&#39;Blake&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 13:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Hamamatsu Chūnagon Monogatari

 * I wish I could take credit, but I only made the most minor edits (specifically, I added 15 bytes). User:Malkinann did the work on that article. Fg2 (talk) 21:52, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Osaka Maritime Museum
Hi Fg2, thanks for looking over the Osaka Maritime Museum article I've been working on, your extra full stop is most appreciated! As a Japanese writer, I was wondering if you could please add the kanja and the anglophone translation for the Japanese name of the museum like the first line of Hirosaki Castle? Thanks either way, Bigger digger (talk) 09:23, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. Fascinating building. Thanks for the article! Fg2 (talk) 10:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for your help, much appreciated. I stumbled across the building on the architect's page and was surprised there was no page for it, now I know too much about it!! Cheers, Bigger digger (talk) 10:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

<-- And now I can thank you for your additions to Naniwa Maru. You note in the edit summary that there is no equivalent page on jp.wp, are you suggesting that it should be merged into Osaka Maritime Museum or just noting the difference? Cheers, Bigger digger (talk) 10:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No, not suggesting merger, just saving someone the pain of looking (although some day there'll probably be a page . . .) Nice work again -- thanks! Fg2 (talk) 11:14, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, fair enough. I had actually used google to translate the Japanese page and am amused by the direct translation of museum to "space time hall"! Language, eh, it's a funny old thing! Also odd that the cost on that page (176bn yen) is quite different to what I have found ("The total cost, including building services but excluding the exhibition package, was 12.8bn Yen"). 176bn yen is about 1.2 billion pounds or 1.5 Wembley Stadiums! The next page I create will be a German or Austrian building, so I won't be pestering you for a bit! Thanks, Bigger digger (talk) 11:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirects help until proper articles can be made. -> ja:浪華丸. Bendono (talk) 11:45, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks -- that is helpful. Fg2 (talk) 12:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Google's not quite there yet on the figures. The number 176 is followed by oku yen (oku = 100,000,000 so that's 17.6 billion yen). To Americans, one oku yen is a million dollars, give or take a couple of percent nowadays, a very easy number to remember (though not to earn . . .). Closer to the amount in the reports you cited.


 * Google did better on "space time hall," since the museum used that as its Japanese name, rather than "museum." They wrote it with three characters, having literally those three meanings. In contrast, "museum" is usually 博物館 (haku butsu kan), "wide things hall" ("wide" seems to refer to the range of things, in the sense of an all-encompassing array of items in the collection). The same "wide" appears in 博覧会 (haku ran kai), wide view meeting -- the term for an exposition. Fg2 (talk) 12:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, that's really interesting. I must remember not to rely too literally on Google translation! Bigger digger (talk) 14:38, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Hisashi
Hi, Fg2, and thanks for the excellent photo of the sanmon. Would you have a photo useful to explain the nature of a hisashi (廂) and a mokoshi? urashimataro (talk) 01:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. I'll look and see what I can come up with. It might take a few days. I'm optimistic. Fg2 (talk) 02:11, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * To illustrate mokoshi, the Japanese Wikipedia uses my photo of the East Pagoda at Yakushi-ji in Nara. See ja:裳階. I uploaded a new file since the previous one was awful. JAANUS uses a photo of the same structure at their site (type "mokoshi" and click GO). Fg2 (talk) 11:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, Fg2. I had noticed that, but what I wanted (I probably should have elaborated) was two photos that make clear the difference between mokoshi and hisashi. I must confess that I myself do not understand what it is even after reading JAANUS. It's not all that important, however. urashimataro (talk) 23:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Yamato Life
Please take a closer look at WP:NCCORP. Indeed, upon a closer look it looks like the convention itself needs a closer look! Non-legal designators and such "should be included as specified by the originating business." You'll notice that the company was known commonly as "Yamato Life." Compare to, for example, The Hartford, and so on. We don't tend to use designators unless they are a core part of the company's name or needed for disambiguation, such as with The Coca-Cola Company (notice how it is omitted for JPMorgan Chase, formally known as JPMorgan Chase & Co.). Please take a look, and if you agree, let me know so I can restore the article back to Yamato Life. user: J  aka justen (talk) 06:57, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * You've got me thoroughly confused. The policy says "as specified by the originating business" but you cited a Google search as the basis of what it's commonly known as, and that's not necessarily the same as what the business specifies (could be the same, could be different). Even if the naming convention directed us to go by the common name, the first Google hit has "Yamato Life" as a news headline, but opens the article with the fuller name including "company" so it's difficult for me to interpret the Google search as favoring one position or the other. And you cite JP Morgan Chase as an example of when not to use the "company," yet the naming convention cites it as an example of when to use it. Will you forgive me for being confused? Fg2 (talk) 07:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I will forgive you, since you're not the only one. I just posted about the convention contradicting itself and other issues on the talk page for WP:NCCORP.  When I said "as specified," I was basing it on the common usage proffered by the company, which is difficult to come by given Yamato is now defunct.  But, given the sheer volume of Google hits for "Yamato Life" (30,400) as opposed to "Yamato Life Insurance Company" (505) or "Yamato Life Insurance Co." (4,430), it seems to be reasonable that the company was commonly known simply as Yamato Life.  That is even more likely given how its competitors are referred to, Dai-ichi Life, for example.  The naming convention needs to be clarified or updated, but, above all, it says use common sense, and it seems to me that, based on both that and common usage, the article should be at Yamato Life.  user: J  aka justen (talk) 07:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Anyhow, despite having started the article, I'm not terribly concerned about its title. Someone could probably look at scans of old newspapers and find the company's ads to see what they called themselves, but I don't have the interest to do anything of that sort. The body text clarifies the formal name of the company. Fg2 (talk) 07:40, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Would you object to me moving it back to Yamato Life based on the apparent common usage? user: J  aka justen (talk) 07:46, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't see a problem with moving it back, as you wrote, "the convention itself needs a closer look." Fg2 (talk) 07:54, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

A TV program
Hi, Fg2! I found this NHK program and thoght it is helpful to our articles. See this. If you agree with me, check the pages out and watch the program eleven o'clock tonight. Best Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 04:31, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Mari, and thanks for calling that to my attention. I recorded it, and watched it today. It is intriguing and nicely produced. Now, to try to find the best way to incorporate it into Wikipedia articles. What would be your suggestion? Best regards, Fg2 (talk) 11:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi! It wasn't bad, was it? I recorded it too. I thought their explanation was clear and easy to understand yet very informative. So if our articles lack the information they gave, I thought I could add it using the program as source. That's what I thought. Do you have any idea? I have no idea their plan for the upcoming programs but I am recording and checking them if there are useful information. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 18:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment of Shogun
I have done a GA Reassessment of the Shogun article as part of the GA Sweeps project. I have found the article does not currently meet the GA Criteria. My review can be found here. I will put the article on hold for one week and I am notifying you as the primary editor of the possibility that the article will be delisted if it is not improved. If you have any questions please contact me at my talk page. H1nkles (talk) 03:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the alert. I'll call it to the attention of WikiProject Japan, since many, many hands were involved in editing that article. I don't recall playing a role in bringing it up to Good Article status, so hopefully the editors who did will pitch in. If more articles related to Japan need attention, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan is the Japan-related place that gets the most traffic. By going there directly, you may not have to worry about the edit history. Again, thanks for the alert. Fg2 (talk) 04:48, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Opinion request
Hi, Fg2. Urashimataro here. I would like your opinion about something. What do you do when someone makes what is unequivocally a mistake, you try to correct it, and right away an edit war ensues? Do you give up and let the error stand? Thanks. urashimataro (talk) 04:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * What a nuisance. In my opinion, once you correct your error, you have no further obligation, but I'd suggest calling it to the attention of the community. For a Japan-related article, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan should be a good place for discussion. Then it's in the hands of the community. They can provide support in an edit war. Fg2 (talk) 05:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Will do.

urashimataro (talk) 06:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Removal of deletion tag for List of opera houses & proposals for how to imprive it
Glad you pulled the tag. Maybe you could address the topic - as I have done - on the Talk:List of opera houses page. The more of us who support non-remioval, the better...... Viva-Verdi (talk) 21:53, 20 June 2009 (UTC)