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Tim Gustard
I note your concerns about this article, and have already flagged some of them on the article. Simply blanking the article because you don't think it's good enough is, however, not an option. Thanks. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 22:32, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough - I've tried to tidy up some of the more egregious puffery in the article, and add a well sourced reference to his only appearance at auction, but it keeps getting reverted by an editor who has never edited any other page, Fillthemill (talk) 09:43, 11 December 2011 (UTC)fillthemill

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You need to stop using primary sources on this BLP. You've been doing it for years, and by now you should know better. The policy is WP:BLPPRIMARY. It stops now. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Re your message about the above. I have not used primary sources, the sources I've added to the reference lists are two reputable auction houses. I've been trying to cut out some of the unsourced items in this article if you trouble to read it. Thank you Fillthemill (talk) 14:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)fillthemill
 * Those are primary sources. Take a look at WP:PSTS.  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:52, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The auction records are publicly available and were arrived at via a secondary source, www.artprice.com. As the latter is only available on subscription, there is little point in using it as a reference link as most users would not be able to access it, therefore the references are covered by WP:PSTS "primary sources that have been reliably published may be used in Wikipedia".  The rest of the article is largely unsourced and unreferenced and appears mainly based on information that can only come from personal experience, which is in danger of making wikipedia  a primary source of that material.  Thank you.  Fillthemill (talk) 15:01, 18 February 2013 (UTC)fillthemill
 * Again, the relevant policy here is WP:BLPPRIMARY, and the source you are using is obviously a primary source. The subject has complained at WP:BLPN; another editor has expressed concern about your editing, and I agree with that concern.  My advice is to tread carefully.  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:10, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

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Holman Hunt
The Shadow of Death has been owned by Manchester since the late 19th century, so I don't see how it can have set an auction record in the 1990s, unless you are referring to another version of the image. Where is this - currently uncited - information from? Paul B (talk) 09:40, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

It's taken from artprice.com, a subscription-only website that details all auction records since about 1990. I'll check to make sure it's not another version of the picture - although MCAG website only says the picture is 2held" there, rather than owned. Fillthemill (talk) 12:42, 4 June 2013 (UTC)fillthemill


 * I have the complete Holman Hunt catalogue raisonné at home, so I will check that tonight. Paul B (talk) 14:46, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was in MCAG today and the invigilator told me that the (or their) Shadow of Death is on loan at the moment to an exhibition in the US but will be back soon.   So it looks as if the one that was sold in 1994 must be a different version of the MCAG one. Fillthemill (talk) 21:26, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I just checked the Judith Bronkhurst catalogue raisonné (somewhat later than promised), and, yes, it was a reduced-sized copy that was sold in 1994. The large version was acquired by Manchester in 1883. I would imagine it's now worth a bit more than 1.8 mill (Bronkhurst's figure is £1,874.500). Still, I'm surprised that the record price for a Hunt is so low, even though it was for a copy. I guess it's because most of his major works are in public collections. Paul B (talk) 10:55, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. The £1.7m figure is the hammer price, the higher price will be the hammer + buyer's commission total.  Fillthemill (talk) 13:14, 7 June 2013 (UTC)fillthemill
 * Yes, I realise that. I've bought art myself. Paul B (talk) 13:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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Maling pottery
From the edit history of the article on the Maling pottery, it looks like you made some edits in December 2011 concerning the family relationships of the Maling family. I have followed the online sources at the bottom of the article and don't seem to find references to the information you added. Could you please consult your sources and either add your sources to the article, correct the article, or undo your changes.

I don't believe that the generational suffices "I" and "II" are accurate, and I think you have incorrect information regarding the father of Robert Maling.

One of the references at the bottom of the article is:
 * Bell, R.C. "Maling and Other Tyneside Pottery", Shire Publications. (1986) ISBN 0-85263-792-6

According to this source:
 * "He [William Maling (1698-1765)] founded the North Hylton Pot Works in 1762, using clay from a rich bed nearby, and appointed his two sons, Christopher Thompson Maling (1741-1810) and John Maling (1746-1823), to run the business."
 * "In 1815 John's son Robert (1781-1863) transferred the business to Tyneside."
 * "In 1853 Christopher Thompson Maling (1824-1901) took over the running of the Ouseburn Bridge pottery from his father, Robert, and the firm prospered under the new leader's ability."

Furthermore, from my genealogical sources, Robert's son Christopher Thompson Maling would not have been the second with this name. Robert also had a brother named Christopher Thompson Maling (1787-1809). It's possible there were other descendants of William Maling and Catherine Thompson born between 1741 and 1824 and who were also named Christopher Thompson Maling, so it's possible that Robert's son Christopher Thompson Maling was not even the third with that name. Of course, there have been many other Maling's with the same name born in the generations since. I understand that they trace the name back to Christopher Thompson of Hendon Lodge (1675-?), maternal grandfather of the first Christopher Thompson Maling and father-in-law of the William Maling who started the Maling pottery business.

Since the source material doesn't make reference to the various people named Christopher Thompson Maling by the use of a generational suffix, I don't think it best to introduce them on the Wikipedia article. I suspect the best method is to follow the style used in the source material, which in this case is by the use of years of birth and death in parentheses.

Kind regards, Steve --216.174.134.2 (talk) 22:57, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

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