User talk:FilmFan5000

Mike Manning
Hello, and welcome to Wikipeda. The content that you deleted from the Mike Manning article with your two edits here and here has been reverted. The source for Manning's middle initial is this page at TV Guide's website, which is indeed considered a reliable source for this information. Removing it, therefore is not justified by the rationales you offered in your edit summaries.


 * In your first edit summary, you stated, "In cited source (Metro Weekly) this individual is referred to as Mike Manning, not Mike C. Manning, in both the body of the article and the title of article."


 * In your second edit summary, you stated, "There seems to be conflicting data involving individuals name on this page. previous cited source has no relevant information about source other than a picture. replacing source with more relevant and current source, which is also used in other areas of this page."

The fact that one source provides an individual's middle initial that other sources do not does not necessarily mean that those sources are in "conflict", as it could simply be attributed to the different level of detail that different sources give. Sources, after all, even reliable sources, do not always present identical levels of detail.

As for your statement that TV Guide "has no relevant information about source other than a picture", this is false, since the only information relevant to this particular matter is his middle initial, which it indeed supports. What other "relevant information" would you require it to give, other than that which is the subject of the passage in question?

Lastly, you gave no explanation of how the Metro Weekly article is more "current" or "relevant". TV Guide, after all, is an entertainment news magazine that's been in publication since 1953. There is no indication that it is not "relevant", and the only way in which being "current" would even been a relevant criterion in this instance would be if Manning changed his name or dropped his middle initial between the publication or last update to the TV Guide page and the publication of the Metro Weekly article, which you did not indicate.

Given that you began editing yesterday, and are making edits that are closely in line with those made by User:HM2021, who has been repeatedly warned about making conflict of interest edits to Manning's article that may be construed as promotional, in violation of Wikipedia's policies, I don't know if you and HM2021 are one and the same, or working together, but it is important to understand that Wikipedia's policies and guidelines must be followed.

Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you ever have any other questions about editing, or need help regarding the site's policies, just let me know by leaving a message for me in a new section at the bottom of my talk page. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 17:28, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Nightscream, thank you for your explanation. I am new to Wikipedia and still learning so this is helpful. I do not know who HM2021 is and am not sure of the edits that he/she/they made so I can't speak to that. Specifically with the issue of the name "Mike Manning" containing the middle initial or not, I follow the actor on social media after he appeared on the soap opera Days of Our Lives from 2020-2022. He has complained that after he professionally changed his name (in 2019 with the Screen Actors Guild, SAG) that people still refer to him as Mike C. Manning. He asked that if people were going to post about him in the future, that they please refer to him as Mike Manning. I googled him and noticed that recent press (like this article from February 1st, 2023, https://deadline.com/2023/02/days-of-our-lives-alum-mike-manning-signs-with-apa-1235247418/) all refer to him as Mike Manning. That is what I was trying to explain with my edits to this page with the recent Metro Weekly article (from November 14th, 2022) was more "current" than the TV Guide article which is from 2012. Since 2019, all of his film and television credits on screen list him as "Mike Manning." I'm not sure how to explain that on Wikipedia, but maybe you can help me? So that I'm formatting my edits correctly. I'm going to explore Wikipedia some more and hopefully get better at editing pages. Thank you, FilmFan5000 (talk) 00:17, 26 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your response. I apologize if my earlier reference to HM2021 was unfounded.


 * The fact that he professionally changed his name does not mean that he legally changed. Since biographical articles in encyclopedias tend to provide comprehensive historical information about a person, even those who have adopted professional names different from their birth names (Eminem, Judy Garland, Bill Clinton), or who have changed their names for whatever reason (Caitlyn Jenner, Muhammad Ali, Malcolm X, Toure), doesn't mean that we don't mention their birth name in the opening of the article. For the most part, though, articles usually tend to refer to the subject by their surname after their full name is given, per WP:SURNAME.


 * If you can find the source in which Manning made that complaint, I'll add it to the article, and mention this in the article, but it doesn't mean omitting mention of the middle initial with which he was born. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 19:17, 27 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Please stop adding uncited material to articles, and removing material without providing a policy-based rationale for doing so, as you did with these edits to Mike Manning. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's policies, you risk being blocked from editing. Please do not make that necessary. Nightscream (talk) 14:10, 20 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Nightscream, can you please explain what was not cited? I added the website for the new production company that this person created and I believe I properly cited it with the website and access date (for Mannifest Productions). I added this to the mention of his other production company, which I thought an appropriate section. For the name change, I altered the name to be more of an encyclopedia format, including his middle name like you had previously mentioned. Moreover, when he was on Real World, his name was "Mike Manning." As an actor, his name is "Mike Manning." He was "Mike C. Manning" for 3 years on social media, and I am unclear as to why, in your opinion, his name will be forever immortalized as "Mike C. Manning" on wikipedia. Especially when the actor himself posts and talks about the annoyance around his name. Which I mentioned to you. What proof do you need to approve this change? I would genuinely appreciate your help with this. I also appreciate your understanding towards someone (me) that is learning to edit on the wikipedia platform, and would appreciate your continued understanding as I learn in earnest. Thank you. FilmFan5000 (talk) 16:18, 21 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I am unclear as to why, in your opinion, his name will be forever immortalized as "Mike C. Manning" on wikipedia.
 * I have not expressed any such opinion, as this is a notion entirely of your own fabrication.
 * The middle initial is supported by a citation of a reliable, published secondary source, per Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.
 * The fact that not every source mentions it, be it The Real World, or his website, does not mean that therefore, he doesn't have that middle initial, or that he "changed" it. It does not matter if he does not use it as an actor. Many actors, such as Ethan Phillips, Cary Grant, Judy Garland, Tiffani Thiessen, etc., use professional names that are slightly different from their full birth name. That does not meant that we omit a first mention of it.


 * Especially when the actor himself posts and talks about the annoyance around his name. Which I mentioned to you. What proof do you need to approve this change?
 * I answered that question above. Why don't you try reading it? Nightscream (talk) 07:55, 13 August 2023 (UTC)