User talk:Finnrind/2007-2009

Lough Lene, Turgesius, Collinstown, Fore Abbey, Melaghlin/ Malachy (Máel Sechnaill)
Forgiven, no problem there, but this affaire is quite elaborate and even my family living in the area for generations only allows to understand part of this fantastic story of our shared European history.

When some time ago, in some Goteborg museum in Sweeden I discovered some artifacts from our area (Westmeath / Lake-county), and I can only imagine that many more are disperced through-out Scandanivia. You Can help by un-teasing some part of it out, as Fore Abbey has been a most unfortunate target and almost all of the abbeys treasures are scattered through-out Scandanivian northern Europe, artifacts manufacteured by the Monks in the area even French Benedictin monks from Evreux.

Must go now I'll speak again.... Gavigan
 * Ok, I'm not sure I understood all of your message [[Image:face-smile.svg|20px]] waiting for you to speak again. Regards Finnrind 19:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:Tara
Hi. Yes, that was me. Thanks for contacting me and for doing that article. I responded to your query and made slight improvements to the English in your article. Best regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 23:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)r
 * Thanks. I removed the  around "hosting" in Scotland hma Finnrind 23:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't see any reason to worry too much about this just now. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 19:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Máel Sechnaill/Sechlainn
The easy thing first: Máel (Maíl and Máele are genitive forms) literally means someone who has been tonsured: a monk. As a name, it means "servant". It is usually followed by a saint's name. Máel Sechnaill (Malachy), Servant of Saint Secundus; Máel Coluim (Malcolm), servant of Saint Columba; Máel Isu (Malise), servant of Jesus. You'll see names where the first word is Gille, they have exactly the same general meaning: servant of Saint X. Earl Máel Brigte the Tooth in the Orkneyinga Saga is the servant of Saint Brigit (probably Brigit of Kildare). All of these names can appear as one word rather than two: Máelcoluim, Gillebrigte.

Next, Máel Sechnaill/Máel Sechlainn spelling. the Annals of the Four Masters use quite modern Irish Gaelic spellings of names. Academics tend to avoid those and use older-style ones. According to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, the first Máel Sechnaill's name is "Máel Sechnaill mac Máele Ruanaid", and that appears to be the correct academic spelling. Neither is right, it's just different sorts of Irish. The name is anglicised, via latin, as Malachy.

The Olaf the White and Amlaíb Conung articles here should be merged so they resemble the one you wrote. My Norwegian is non-existent really, but I think I'll copy you and ccombine the two. I did that for the two (or three) different versions of Rognvald, Earl of Møre.

Finally, so far as I am aware O Corrain (whose first name is spelled in several different ways) is an orthodox and respected Irish historian. He's the man who started the CELT project, author of a fair number of papers and books. He's been a historian a long time: Ireland before the Normans - which was for a long time, and may still be, the best-known popular book on Viking Age Ireland - was published in 1972. Angus McLellan (Talk) 19:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * A follow-up to my fellow Ollamh Angus. Máel is the Christian Gaelic version of the pagan gaelic prefix, Mug or Mogh (pronounced the same as Worf son of Mogh in Star Trek). Strictly specking, it meant slave but in the sence of a follower or devotee to a particular God or Goddess. The most famous person in Ireland who bore such a name was Mug Nuadat who was an ancester of the Munster dynasty, the Eóganachta. It was used as the nickname for the father of Niall Noigíallach - Eochaid Mugmedon (e.g., Eochaid Slave Lord). In Christian times, it was used in the same sence, as Angus explains above, as a name given in honor of a particular saint or holy person. Nowadays people give their children holy names in exactly the same manner - Patrick, Mohammad, Krishna, Moses, u.n.s. As for O Corrain, you should keep an eye on my contrbutions in the near future, as I am writing an article on him and a number of other Irish historians, archaeologists and academics in general. Have met him myself, and he actually lives only a few miles from me. Slan. Fergananim 17:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the statement about the "norse" in relation to Cináed mac Conaing and left the one for 856. Does that seem ok now? Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Maps, merges
Those maps look quite good. There is a rather crude "Ireland according to Ptolemy" map in User:Angusmclellan/Early Christian Ireland. Feel free to take anything you want from that. It uses overlaying: the syntax is simple enough, but will it work on the Norwegian wiki? The "later Kingdoms" one doesn't link Bréifne, and there's an alternative version in User:Angusmclellan/Eóganachta which might be better.

Merges are proposed with mergefrom and mergeto, but Fergananim would be the man to ask about those. Best wishes, Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your quick reply. (I'm replying here to try to keep the thread together, it is something that is encouraged on the no:wiki, but might be more difficult here??)


 * It seems the proper templates for overlaying have not been implemented in no:wiki yet. Pity, those maps look realy good. The map in Eóganachta could be useful though. (Is there, btw, a reason why it isn't in the Irland category on commons?? )


 * Since you linked me to your sandbox(es) I had a look around. Good to see that you are working on Eóganachta, I had a look at the article in tghe mainspace and concluded not to translate it. I'm quite sure I will translate yours when it is done. Do you know if anybody has any serious plans expand Early Medieval Ireland 800–1166. I have started working on such an article for no:wiki, but if anybody has an english version more or less ready for pasting into mainspace, I really ought to wait a bit. A same question could be asked about all those stubs about medieval high kings of Ireland. Finnrind 07:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Please take whatever you like from the sandbox stuff. May as well get some use out of it! Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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Kings of Connacht
Thanks. Always glad to be of help.

As regards the map, I agree. The history and geography of the kingdom of Connacht in its heyday (c.800-1202) is a bit mind-boggleing. There are only a handful of good articles that I am aware of on its kings, all the Galway Arch. & Hist. Society Journal. As for Brian's mother, that has being a bit of a puzzle for me too; I presumbe she was of the Ui Bruin Seola sept of the Sil Muirdeag (who later adopted the surname O Flaithertaigh) but last time I looked could not find any such Murchad. Incidently, at that point in time they were still based on a crannog on Lough Cimbe (now Lough Hackett), south-west of Tuam; they were only moved further west into Iar-Connacht by the O Connors in the 12th and 13th century. Cheers, Fergananim 15:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Norsemen
Greetings Finnrind

Thanks for your message. I have no objections to your proposed edits. I just wanted to get rid of the nonsense about including the Germans. As you might have noted, I contacted the editor who made this edit so I hope we will not see this again. The definitions I normally go by myself are: Scandinavian peoples: Danes, Norwegians, Swedes, Icelanders and Faroese (although I'd normally only include the latter two in very recent contexts, in contrast to e.g. an article about the Scandinavist movement). When I comes to the Nordic countries, I'd normally include Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland (and the Faroes although the latter is not an independent country). Happy editing. Valentinian T / C 16:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Tak for din mail. Jeg har set listen, og jeg kan ikke lide den, men jeg tror at det nok vil være bedst at behandle brugeren her med larmende tavshed i stedet for at opmuntre ham. Vi bør hellere holde et øje på artiklen. Valentinian T / C 21:51, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Hvitserk and Halfdan
I have been confused by these two articles for some time. I am aware that some scholars think they are the same person but their stories seem quite different. What source can we cite to show they are identical? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 21:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't have a strong preference one way or the other, though I would lean to keeping the articles separate because it's likely that they refer to different people (Halfdan was king in Jorvik, and Hvitserk reputedly died in Russia). Both need a lot of work and sources added. It's been a while since I read Ragnar's saga. Are Halfdan and or Hvitserk mentioned elsewhere? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 00:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm really not an expert on this, just sort of stumbled over the Hvitserk article and thought it to be an orphaned left over. I do not know which from which sources (the apparently many) who claims an identity between Halfdan and Hvitserk have based their opinion. The solution in norwegian wiki (explaining that this might be two sepraterate persons in one article) or having two articles which bort states that there might be an identity, both have their pro&contra. The easiest way to deal with this now is IMO to leave thing as they were, with additional crossreferences. Accordingly, I will retract my proposal for merger, and make crossreferences. I would be grateful if you would look over the two articles after I've made these edits. Apologise for the inconvenience, thanks for your help. Regards, Finnrind 11:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Scots, Attacotti and Deisi
Hi Finnrind. I would like your opinion on the above short addition I made to Prehistoric settlement of Great Britain and Ireland. Cheers. Fergananim 14:23, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Norse history and culture
Please check out this new wikiproject, and sign up if you are interested. No contribution is too small! Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe you shoud add a tag that the wikipropject Norse history etc page is under development. Right now the heading says "Jewish history" and that seems rather odd :-) Finnrind 15:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * LOL!!!! Should be fixed now (I borrowed the header from that project) Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Brian's mother
Hi Finnrind,

You were asking about Brian Boru's mother, Bé Binn. As mentioned by Ferganim she was of the Muinter Murchada branch of the Uí Briúin Seólai, one of the three main divisions of the Uí Briúin dynasty (the Síl Muiredaig actually belonged to a different division of this dynasty, the Uí Briúin Aí). Her father was Aurchad son of Murchad who died in 945 as king of West Connacht according to the Annals of Ulster, and king of the Uí Briúin according to the Annals of Inisfallen. (The Uí Briúin kingship would have been a sub-kingship under the Uí Briúin Aí (Síl Muiredaig) over-kingship of Connacht.)

Aurchad's off-spring appear to have married well: Bé Binn's sister Cres is claimed to have been the wife of the Síl Muiredaig king of Connacht, Tadg son of Cathal (d. 956) and mother of his sons Conchobar (ancestor of the Ua Conchobair kings of Connacht), Máel Ruanaid (ancestor of the Ua Máel Ruanaid [later Mac Diarmata] kings of Mag Luirg, and Tadg (ancestor of the Uí Taidg an Teglaig branch of Síl Muiredaig). Another sister, Cainech, may have married into another branch of Uí Briúin Seóla, and been the ancestress of the rival Clann Coscraig sept of that dynasty.

Bé Binn was also the mother of Lochlann and Conchobar, sons of Máel Sechnaill (fl. 1006) of the Corcu Mruad people of North Munster. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.100.253.15 (talk) 11:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Thanks a lot, you seem to be remarkably well informed :-) I'll implement some of this in no:brian Boru (might even write a small stub on Bé Binn, there's not to many historical articles about women.)Finnrind 12:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Talk:History of the British Isles
Can you tell if replies to Bastin's incitment have been edited out?

Can you tell if I populated the page History of Britain (the original name of the article). By my reading of this is moving - not blanking or merging.

Is a three word reply blustering - Sonic Youth has contributed to the British Isles naming dispute page.

Have you reached the limits of your Norwegian Peacekeeping duties Aatomic1 11:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * (moving new heading to bottom of page before replying) I do not have any opinions about the content of your discussions with Sony-youth or Bastin, nor do I wish to offer an analysis of the edit history of Talk:History of the British Isles. In that sense I have "reached the limits of my Norwegian Peacekeeping duties". If you have been wrongly treated by these users in that discussion you should notify the proper peacekeepers, here that would be the wikipedia administrators.
 * My comment on your talk page was strictly related to your unconstructive edits of your own talkpage, and what appears to be an unwillingness to answer questions raised by others properly. (I'm still awaiting your answer regarding Airgíalla btw.) Further, all contributors to this project have peace keeping duties, first and foremost in keeping a civil tone in discussions and trying to reply to questions and concerns brought into disussion by others in a helpful and open minded way. In that sense, I sincerely hope I will never reach the limits of my peace keeping duties, neither here or in other wikilanguages where I offer small contributions. Regards, Finnrind 15:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Gotcha. I note you have moved my comments to the bottom as you are perfectly entitled to do as this is your page. Likewise I am entitled to arrange my page for my convenience. Inaccurate comments like you have made (on more than one occasion and on unrelated subjects) are not really endearing me to you, especially on my home page. Aatomic1 17:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I have moved the your comments to the proper place for new comments (bottom of page), and made an initial note explaining what I have done. There is a difference in arranging a discussion according to wikipedia standards and deleting questions or parts of other users contributions. I see no point in continuing this discussion though, as you apparently find my comments inaccurate and my advice inconvenient. I will not add any more comments to your talk page or make further comments on your own edits there in the future. Happy editing, Finnrind 18:50, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Asking for help
How do I ask for qualified second opinions in an dispute over sources/accuracy (Irish medieval history). The articles in question are Melaghlin and Turgesius, a prod placed by me in the first one has since been removed. Finnrind 23:31, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There's third-party observations and requests for comment. Removed  tags then should be tagged with  tags if you wish for deletion to still occur (as the deletion process says).  If you are still unsure, then dispute resolution may give you more ideas.  Still stuck?  Stick another  tag or contact me.  x42bn6 Talk Mess  23:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your quick reply. After a glance at [dispute resolution] I think I'll put some more references on the talk page and abide a whileFinnrind 23:57, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Gunnhild
Thanks for the info! I will look into it unless you want to try translating that bit from the Norwegian. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 02:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The article (now at Gunnhild Mother of Kings) has been greatly expanded, including references to sources id'ing her as a daughter of Gorm. Interestingly, some genealogy websites suggest that Gunnhild Ozzur's daughter and Gunnhild Gorm's daughter were two different people, both wives of Erik bloodax, but I've found no corroboration in any scholarly sources yet. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

thanks
Just wanted to thank you for clarifications in discussion for Wolf the Quarrelsome. The idea that the death of Brodir was inspired by the death of Judas was a great observation... I'd like to include this idea in the Wolf article -- might you have a reference (could we just link to an account of the death of judas) or would that be considered Original Research?

anyways, thanks for the wisdom! Nonlucent 02:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind words. I'm sorry to say that this wisdom is indeed not my own (as wikipedia-wisdom should not be), but I really can't remember where I came across this... Since it was just a remark on the talk page I did not cite at the time (and it's been a while...), which means I now do not know how to find it. I would be careful to add such interpretations into an article without citations, and I'm sorry I cannot help you further. Happy editing, Finnrind 17:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Áed the Handsome Warrior
Hello Finn, hope you are well. I'll move the article to Áed Findliath, and tidy up all the links, once I've added stuff from Hudson's Oxford DNB article. Regards, Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm well, thank you, even if I'm not editing much on en:wiki these days... Looking forward to those additions, I'll probalbly translate them into norwegian eventually ;) Finnrind 14:49, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the message Finnrind. I hope you keep up the good work on English and Norwegian wiki. If you have any questions you need to ask while translating something or what not, feel free to contact me. Best regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 21:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, hope to see you around soon... :-) Finnrind 21:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, a thanks headings already here. I'll use that! Thanks for the message. I did notice I hadn't seen either of the Norwegian Finns in a while. Hope you'll increase your activities here at some stage in the future, but I guess if no.wiki's getting you then that's just as good. All the best, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 15:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Golden age of Ireland (sic)
Saw your comments concerning this. God its awful! However I do applaud Angus's sentiment, as its always easier to destroy than to create .... tempting as it is! Looking forward to exploring your work. Fergananim 22:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Kind deeds
Spotted you edit on my page - thanks!! Sarah777 (talk) 22:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it was a wrong image description, so out of habit from Commons I had to revert it... [[Image:face-wink.svg|20px]] Cheers, Finn Rindahl (talk) 19:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Columba, Iona, Kells and Dunkeld
A few quotes from Woolf's Pictland to Alba that may be useful:

"The attacks on Iona are usually associated with a project begun in 807 and completed in 814, the building of a new ciuitas,or major church settlement, at Kells by the abbot Cellach of Iona. [fn: AU 807.4 and 814.9] This has been widely interpreted as a reflection of a growing disquiet on Iona in the context of repeated attacks by heathens. The plan may have been to move the relics of St Columba and the headship of the familia from Iona to Kells, more safely located in the interior of Ireland" [p. 59]

"In the Frankish kingdom the news ... inspired Wahalfrid Strabo, a leading scholar of the day, to compose a poem on Blathmac's martyrdom. In this poem, as Clancy points out, Iona is described as an island of the Picts. [fn: Clancy, "Iona in the kingdom of the Picts", Innes Review 55 (2004)] That Iona was in some sense under Constantín's control may also be hinted at by the claim added to a version of the king-list in the reign of Alexander II (1214-49), that Dunkeld was founded by Constantín. Although we cannot know how old this tradition was he would seem an unusual patron to foist upon the Columban cult at a late date. Dunkeld was to become the chief church of Columba in the kingdom of Alba and it is possible that since Pictish overlordship over Dál Riata seems to have been established in 811, while the building of the new ciuitas at Kells was in progress, this reflects a desire by Constantín to keep the relics of Columba in Scotland. Columba was, after all, the apostle of Fortriu, and it is likely that he, and Iona, occupied a special place in the Pictish mentalité." [pp. 64-54]

"[The Chronicle of the Kings of Alba] claims that in his seventh year Cináed 'conveyed the relics of Columba to the church that he had built'. Cináed's seventh year would seem to be c. 849 and under this year the Annals of Ulster record that 'Indrechtach, abbot of Iona, came to Ireland with the relics of Colum Cille'. [fn. AU 849.7] The simplest reading of these two records together would be that Cináed had built a church in Ireland to which Indrechtach was conveying the relics. This, however, seems unlikely and is not the view taken by most historians. The prevailing view among Scottish historians has been that in 849 the relics of Columba were divided between Kells and Dunkeld. This may have happened but there is little hard evidence for this and the clear division between the communities seems to have occurred at a slightly later date." [pp. 98-99]

Hope this helps. All the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Angus, much appreciated! Finn Rindahl (talk) 18:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oops ... my bad. Was responding to the wrong Finn, ignoring you! He'll be thinking I'm mad, and you that I'm rude. ;) My response was on his page. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 23:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Farris (mineral water)
Hello Finnrind. Could you please scan the document that I have added for more information. For example the 1912-1914 from Wikicommons does not agree with the 1915 in the article. My Norwegian is basic. I have never learned it, but understand some of what I read and hear. Best regards, gidonb (talk) 00:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Gidonb, I've already read that page and it doesn't really add much useful I'm afraid, especially since it's written in an "oral" style and states to be "based upon a lecture by administrative secretary something". This source however states that "Den dominerende bygningen er påbegynt i 1912 ved arkitektene Morgenstierne og Eide, men allerede i 1915 ble den utvidet etter Eides tegninger." i.e. "The dominant building was started i 1912 by the architects Morgenstierne and Eide, but already in 1915 it was expanded after Eides drawings". That the image description at Commons reads 1912-14 doesn't really say much, as user:Mahlum hasn't given a source for that - I could post and ask him but for now I say we just alter the description in the article to 12-15. I've also found some other sources in Norewegian, if I get the time I'll expand the Norwegian article first (easier to sort my thoughts in that language) and then add whatever I have found to the article here.


 * For now I believe there's three things worth mentioning: That the bottling of this mineral water was an offspring from "Larvik bad" a rather popular 19th century spa-resort, the bottling and marketing was initially a cooperation between Larvik Bad and the brewery "Vestfold bryggeri" (The director of the brewery at the time was Thor Heyerdahls father - but that's more trivia I guess...) Furthermore the connection between Farris and the Royal family, the original watersources were named after Haakon VII and Maud and the new source from 88 after Olav V and the brand was at some point also recognised as "offisiell leverandør" (official deliver or something like that) to the Norwegian Royal Court. Third point would be that the new glass bottle from Farris won the Norwegian Design Council honourary award in 2001.


 * Anyways, don't add any of these ramblings of mine to the article yet, I'll try to sort it out with references etc first. Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 12:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the detailed response. If the building was erected from 1912 through 1914 and again expanded in 1915, it could explain why we have two dates of completion, if in the subsequent year to 1914 the construction renewed. This is just one scenario, I understand that you are digging on. In any case we will have enough information for a detailed history chapter and a chapter on the product(s), minerals, and effects. Offisiell leverandør may be a Royal Warrant holder or a purveyor to the Court of Norway. Best regards, gidonb (talk) 14:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be the word: Interwiki to no:Hoffleverandør where Farris is one of only three brands listed ;o) I'll get back with more later, regards Finn Rindahl (talk) 14:52, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Re. award: Wow, thank you Gideonb, that was an unexpected honour! It's not very likely that many more well researched contributions here at Wikipedia in English will follow though, most likely I will mainly fix image links&such also in the future. I got into this "Farris-business" by coincidence just like you, but it has really been a pleasure (darn, now I really have to follow up my promises about that article ;o) Finn Rindahl (talk) 16:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome and very modest. You deserve the award. gidonb (talk) 16:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Farris (mineral water)
I withdrew my AfD nomination of Farris (mineral water), based in large part to your editorial input to both the article and the AfD discussion. I sincerely hope that my AfD nomination did not create any undue stress. I hope you can accept the following as a token of my appreciation:


 * Gee, thanks. Actually Ecoleetage, you are the hero of the day. If it wasn't for your del.req. I don't suppose either gidonb nor myself would have done anything about that article (and now I'm also expanding the version in Norwegian). No stress, but quite a lot of fun! BTW: Farris doesn't come in sixpacks - maybe that piece of information should be included in the article ;o) Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 22:33, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, please, I am no one's idea of a hero! But I am glad this was settled in a friendly and productive matter. And no six-packs of Farris?  I better get a letter off to their head of marketing -- that needs to be addressed immediately! :)  Be well, and feel free to call on me. Ecoleetage (talk) 23:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

"Farris doesn't come in sixpacks - maybe that piece of information should be included in the article ;o)." FYI, Finnrid, we do not get paid by the word. Come to think, we do not get paid at all... How did you say? Darn! gidonb (talk) 23:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your warning
Thank you for make attention to the Japanese article of "greek letter" yot. I have requested deletion of the article. --Peccafly -talk-hist 17:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, glad the message got through. Finn Rindahl (talk) 18:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Battle of Clontarf
Hello, apparently there are no real reliable documents on the battle and number of combatants. Although the past editor added a reference, the context from which it was taken was entirely speculative. The numbers I chose are consistent with almost all the records and articles I have been able to find, both in my library and online. I believe the article needs more information, i.e. a list of the possible and contradicting scenarios. I am new to Wikipedia, and I don't think I would be able to edit that much information. Buachalla77 (talk) 22:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Dag Eliassen
Under this, my answer to you, I have placed your question for reference. Answer: When one searches for Dag Eliassen, then : 1. one comes to the page that has the most information about him. Partially one does not have to make a stub unnecessarily. Please note that this man is notable : he was a pioneer in FSK. The facts about him, that are on the page, to which one is redirected, establishes
 * that he was "befal", in 1983, about a year after the founding of FSK (he was the Diving master during the training mission, that resulted in an accident.
 * that he is one of only 2 "spesialsoldater" to come into public wiew, without the cloak of anonymity.
 * That he testified in court
 * the criticism he had of the way training was administered in the early eighties

I think that pretty much sums it up. And I hope you do not mind, that I am going to post this Q and A, on the discussion page. Have a pleasent weekend. Sju hav (talk) 10:49, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * (removed "my question) cut&paste from user talk:Sju hav) Ok, the speedy tag has been removed by an admin, it appears that the redirect does not qualify for speedy del here at en:wiki. So I guess we'll just have to wait and see if the article Bjørn Sagvolden is kept or not. Finn Rindahl (talk) 10:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Contradiction
Yes. Simultaneous actions. I will discuss with blocking admin. --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 13:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of edits
Please see my reply on the BLP noticeboard. It is best to keep our discussion of these topics as public as possible so others can lend help. --Ryan Delaney talk 14:26, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Brodir and Ospak of Man
Hi Finnrind, Thanks for your helpful comments on Brodir and Ospak of Man. Do you consider that this article is unbalanced as a result of not including the material that you have highlighted? If so I can undo the GA-status; well at least change it to a Hold so that someone can add that material before re-sentencing it.Pyrotec (talk) 19:22, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm really not familiar with the standards for "good articles" at this project, it would not qualify to be a Anbefalt article at Wikipedia in Norwegian, but there "anbefalt" is pretty close to "featured". The inbalance would be in relying so much on one source (Njals saga), but since the article is clear in itself that it does so ("according to Njals saga..." etc) that's not such a big problem. My intention was not to stop "Good Article", but to point out some things that might make this good article even better ;) Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 19:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your quick reply. These are the GAN standards, WP:WIAGA, they are not as stringent as "Featured". I'll leave the GA-status in place.Pyrotec (talk) 19:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link. I agree that the article seem to be in accordance with those standards. Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 20:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Norse Kings of Dublin
Thanks for the points for consideration at Brodir and Ospak of Man! Since you seem to have some expertise in the subject (medieval Gaelic-Norse relations), I wonder if you could help me with an issue on a related article. I have outlined the problem here — namely, trouble I have been having with differing sources on the Sigtrygg Silkbeard and the Kings of Dublin.

Thanks. --Grimhelm (talk) 00:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind words. My expertise on this subject is indeed limited, and consists of possessing a couple of good sources (some articles by Donnchad ó Corrain and Clare Downhamns book "Viking Kings of Britain and Ireland"), knowing where to look on the net for onlineversions of Irish annals CELT and having read some of the stuff the Deacon and Angus have written here at Wikipedia. The comments I offered about Brodir relied heavily on Downham, I would really advise you to get hold of that book if possible. In addition to thorough, critical and well-written (yes, 3 out of 3 is possible ;) analysis of the available sources, she has a very useful appendix of persons appearing in the various annalistic sources.


 * I've got nothing useful to add to the comments offered by Briangotts and the Deacon, but wish you all the best in improving the article. Your draft seems to be a good start, but as the Deacon pointed out, you should seek some better sources and throw away the bad. Stuff like Doyle is really worse than nothing and more fiction than fact. Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 06:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I have already culled the Doyle page  —  to be honest, it did feel somewhat… novelised.  Fortunately, I have found much more reliable sources, and will try to get Viking Kings of Britain and Ireland as soon as possible.
 * Out of interest, how did you come across the Brodir page? (The matter of article readership has interested me in the past).  --Grimhelm (talk) 18:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The page has been on my watchlist since March 2007, read it while I was working on the Norwegian version of Clontarf. Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 19:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, of course, I should have made the connection. Regards.  --Grimhelm (talk) 19:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

The coveted Spamstar of Glory

 * Now that was a pleasant suprise ;). Thanks a lot! Finn Rindahl (talk) 20:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Japanese Art History - Edits.
Dear Finn,

I have seen you have done a certain amount of editing on some Japanese art subjects. Hasui, Goyo, and Ota Nampo.

I do not know if you have any Art History insights but:

In Art History it is of the outmost importance to have visual examples of the subjects discussed (pretty self evident?).

This is why I recently started to put some relevant links to such images. Most of the art history links in wiki are marred by bad images, dubious works lack of contextual explanations and so on. In the links I provide there are no such blemishes.

I do not really understand how you after a reading time of 35 seconds can decide to delete four links, I am one of the foremost experts on some of the subjects. I would need longer time to establish what is relevant and not.

In erudite academic circles wikipedia has a bad name. It has become known as a playground for "ignorant junior high school teachers" who rewrites and copies entries from books which are either to elementary or they do not have enough knowledge to understand the subject fully. This produce the very low quality entries we can see, for example, within my field, Oriental art history.

No academics I know bother writing anything for wikipedia anymore. It seems as everybody is feed up with having their work trashed by ignoramuses.

What is your curriculum vitae in Japanese art history?

I have a 40 year career as a professional lecturer, curator and writer about Japanese art. I have lived in Japan since 20 years.

I would think you should restudy the material, if you do not feel you can make a profound judgment, you should revert the links to point to the images.

If you judge the links are not relevant you should make a profound argument therefore.

I also see you have removed my previous message to you? Are you afraid of discussing something in a straightforward and honest manner. Or do you just lack respect for other people, their efforts and their knowledge.

Best regards from Tokyo

PS I also noticed you have been editing on the Japanese wiki. Did you read the guide lines, as they are somewhat different from the en.wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.185.152.1 (talk) 08:31, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * For some reason you wrote your previous message at Commons:User_talk:Finnrind, I'm copying your first message and my response to it here. I believe my first answer should suffice also for your new message. This is not about my knowledge of Japanese art history, but your promotion of one specific website through linkadditions on several projects. Your contributions to Wikipedia would be very much welcome, but please work on the content of articles and not just website promotion. Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 10:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The follwing is copypaste from my user talk at Commons.

Japanese Art
Dear Finn,

I have seen you have done a certain amount of editing on some Japanese art subjects. Hasui & Ota Nampo.

I do not know if you have any Art History education or insights but: In Art History it is of the outmost importance to have visual examples of the subjects discussed (pretty self evident?).

This is why I recently started to put some relevant links to such images. Most of the art history links in wiki are mared by bad images, dubious works, lack of contextual explenations and so on. In the links I provide there are no such blemishes.

I have a 40 year career, in Japanese Art History and related fields, as a professional lecturer, curator and writer about Japanese art.

I have lived and worked in Japan since 20 years.

Best regards from a fellow Scandinavian
 * Dear fellow Scandinavian. Since you're editing from ip 219.185.152.1 I assume you're the editor who have been adding links at four wikipediaprojects to the site japaneseprints.blogspot.com. I don't have any Art History education or insights but: The way these links have been added by you (and previously by related ip's 219.185.152.27 and 219.185.152.49) indicates inappropriate linkpushing, and was reverted as such meta:User:COIBot/XWiki/japaneseprints.blogspot.com. Please read some relevant pages at Wikipedia in English: wikipedia is not a linkfarm, wikipedia is not a directory, the link fails the external links guideline, and, if you're affiliated with the site you're adding links to, Conflict of Interest. Best regards, Finn Rindahl ( talk ) 18:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi. Finn Rindahl asked me to offer a second opinion, so here goes.


 * First, I think we should be flattered that you equate us with junior high school teachers; some of us in fact are just that. But more often, we're reported to be junior high school students, so the promotion to teacher is a pleasant step (although many of our editors still in junior high school are pretty sharp.)


 * Second, I see that your blog exists to facilitate your business selling Japanese art.


 * Third, I think if you carefully re-read the messages that you were already left earlier this year:
 * User talk:219.185.152.27
 * User talk:Hughviking


 * and follow the hyperlinks again, you'll see the content standards that apply in this case:
 * What Wikipedia is not, in particular:
 * Wikipedia is not a Soapbox for promoting one's business or site
 * Wikipedia is not a repository of links
 * Spam Guideline
 * Conflict of interest -- don't add links to, or material about yourself or your business
 * External Links Guideline -- we don't link to blogs except in rare circumstances


 * Finally, I'm not sure how your links to your blog open our readers to a wider variety of images than they'd get just by doing simple Google Image searches -- for instance,, or


 * Hopefully, this answers your questions. As you can see from the rules I linked to above, you should not add any further links to your blog.


 * Regards, -- A. B. (talk • contribs) 19:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

J. Schmalz GmbH
Please use some common sense when implementing the COIBot reports. Deleting the weblink to the company from its article is just plain nonsense, whoever did insert it. The article may be bad, the article may be not relevant and should be put up for deletion, but deleting the company weblink doesn't solve any of these issues. --Pjacobi (talk) 06:46, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I did (try to) apply common sense here, the link I removed was a redir to http: //www.vacuworld.com/index.html.en, not giving information about Schmalz GmbH but one of their products. Now changed to a more relevant deeplink. Finn Rindahl (talk) 11:20, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Rock russe
A link to my page does have a right of being in one article of French Wikipedia (at least). Please don't delete it from there. Eliascatcher (talk) 11:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No sites has a "right" to be linked from any wikipedia article, the site your marketing seem to be mainly a playlist of selected Russian music, with some additional info in French. The questions is what a link to your site adds of relevant information to the concerned article.


 * But ok, I will not revert you at fr: myself, but ask other experienced editors to evaluate this. Just don't try and push your link at any more articles (I will revert again if added again here at en:, and if you add it crosswiki the link will most likely be blacklisted, that is, disabled from any wikimedia project). Finn Rindahl (talk) 12:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * There are translations of 14 songs on the page and to be more later. And you call it a playlist? Eliascatcher (talk) 16:26, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, sorry, "playlist" was probably not a very accurate description. I still fail to see why this site is a useful addition to a Wikipedia article on Russian rockmusic. Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 16:50, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

sufifinder.com
Hi Finnrind, you removed 4 external links we placed regarding www.sufifinder.com. Please let us know the reason, maybe we made made some error adding these links out of ignorance. Our website "Sufifinder" is made with best intentions to help people to find spiritual groups of any colour all over the world.With kind regards79.145.127.13 (talk) 11:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The link was reverted because it had been added at several wikiprojects by you, see m:User:COIBot/XWiki/sufifinder.com. Please se Conflict of interest, if regular wikipedia editors find your site useful&relevant it will be added, if you add it yourself to promote your site (even with the best intentions) it will be reverted again. Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 12:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

RE:Message for you at Commons
Thank you for notifying me about the ongoing discussion :-) Maen. K. A. (talk) 08:33, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * NP, thanks for responding :) Finn Rindahl (talk) 13:48, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

iso8583.info
Hello. Please dont kill my links from ISO 8583 wiki pages.
 * iso8583.info iso8583.info] FREE OnLine ISO 8583:1987 & ISO 8583:1993 messages iso8583.info/coder/ encoder] and iso8583.info/decoder/ decoder] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheef000 (talk • contribs) 13:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Re:I in categories
Thank you for informing me of that.--Sky Attacker   Here comes the bird!  01:54, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Wimund
Hello. Hope you are well. Sorry, I wasn't able to find anything useful on Bishop Wimund. There is an article on him in the Oxford DNB. I don't have online access to that - instead I need to read the actual books, how old fashioned is that? - but the Deacon and Ealdgyth certainly do. If you are asking, Merfyn Frych is also in the ODNB. All the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:27, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * All is well, I reduced my wikiactivity by giving up my sysop. rights on meta, commons and no.wiki, and now I'm trying to do some useful stuff instead (like pestering good editors with strange questions concerning medieval characters). For Wimund I'll just refer to the written sources you've given, with a disclaimer stating that they are quoted based on this version of the English article. Reading the actual book may be old fashioned, but I find it a lot more rewarding to see the whole context - after all, my main reason to be here is to satisfy my own curiousity, and then nothing is better than reading a book :). I just ordered a couple of books by Alex Woolf and Kari Maund, hopefully they're good ones. Hope all is well, best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 13:22, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, the Woolf one is good and the Maund one is cheap. Actually it's not too bad, but the one I got was misbound and was missing some of the pages I would have been interested in. Cheers, Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Henffych! Copper mine near Llandudno, north Wales
Regarding: Copper mine near Llandudno.

I have added a few English words as requested. It's not often I get to writing in my second language as 95% of my life is through the medium of Welsh (Cymraeg). All the best. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 19:22, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Revision
Thanks! And yes, I better use the sandbox! Cheers, Fergananim (talk) 01:33, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Sihtric Cáech
Thanks for the note.

Dublin at this period is usually portrayed as a Norwegian city, though, as the article suggests, it was more likely a mixture of the Gael and the Norse. Sigtryggr himself though was pure Norse. He is said to have married the Árd-Rí's daughter though.

(One change I ought to have made is to change the Norse version of his name from Sigtrygg to Sigtryggr; it would be usual to use the nominative form not the accusative.)

The use of Gaelic names for these Norse rulers is a bit puzzling to a reader. In articles on Irish history it is understandable but the articles are in English and I believe it would be better to use names more familiar to English texts. ("Ímair"? He wasn't called that when he was buring East Anglia and torturing its king!)  In Sihtric's case we are using the English version of him name, with the Irish nickname, but that is what does indeed appear in the textbooks.

Howard Alexander (talk) 20:51, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I should beware of throw-away lines based on half-remembered notes to sources I can no longer find. I cannot now see anything suggesting that Sihtric married an Irish princess.  In the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle (whose writers were only reporting second hand) it says that Sihtric killed "Niall his brother", which would suggest that either Sihtric or Niall Glúndub had married the other's sister.  I thought I had seen a note to this effect in a source, but not one I can put my hand on now. The Garmondsway translation of the Chronicle has a note that this "Niall his brother" is a conflation, and Sihtric killed both King Niall and his own brother, Sigefrith.  My mistake.


 * Howard Alexander (talk) 06:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

At_ip_editor
Hi, if you read this then this backward communication is working ;) Since you're editing from different ip-adresses, you may have missed the additional encouragements left my myself and Notuncurious on this page. The discussion about the Deisi further illustrates the value of having an account instead of commenting from variuous ip-adresses, mainly for two reasons
 * (for the sake of wikipedia)Imagine the confusion if we all had been editing from different ip's in a discussion lasting over several days with arguments going back and forth. It would be near impossible to see who had presented which arguments and made which edits at the article.
 * (for your sake) Now knowing several ip adresses you have contributed from, I'm able to deduce more about where you live/work etc than if you had edited from an anonymous account. I know a lot more about you than about for example Notuncurious (Not that I'm really interested in having information about the reallife indentity of either of you - but I am very interested in both of you still sharing knowledge with me through wikipedia). Ip editing doesn't protect your anonymity, on the contrary it reveals more than most of use are aware of.

Your contributions are most welcome, be it from ip or account, I hope we will see much more from you in the future, one way or the other. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 12:50, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello, Finnrind, many thanks for your kind advice here and elsewhere. You are, of course, correct and, accordingly, I have apologised to DinDraithou for my tone. I will consider your other comments in due course - I can see the advantages. Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.246.14.83 (talk) 13:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in SecurePoll feedback and workshop
As you participated in the recent Audit Subcommittee election, or in one of two requests for comment that relate to the use of SecurePoll for elections on this project, you are invited to participate in the SecurePoll feedback and workshop. Your comments, suggestions and observations are welcome. For the Arbitration Committee, Risker (talk) 08:08, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

empty External Links section
When you were Removing external link: *.statecoal.com -- per m:User:COIBot/XWiki/statecoal.com you left behind an empty External Links section. Just saying. Josh Parris 21:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing and for notifying me. These link removals based on meta:user:COIBot are semi-automatic with a script that gives a proposal for what part of the code to remove. I try to check that the proposed edit doesn't leave empty headings, misplaced ref-tags and the like but sometimes I'm simply not careful enough. Again, thanks for fixing. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 22:38, 29 November 2009 (UTC)