User talk:Firefangledfeathers/Archive 7

Question re:AE Word Limit
I thought the word limit applied only to requests - if it also replies to comments to, where is that expressed? Should it be added to the "statement by" line (limit 500 words)? LegalSmeagolian (talk) 14:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi LS. Right underneath the Discussion concerning Salmoonlight|Discussion concerning Salmoonlight heading it says Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks I'll go trim! LegalSmeagolian (talk) 14:43, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, while I have you online, to go off of Sameboats question at AE - while violations of WP:NPOV and WP:OR are not always vandalism, they can be if they are done maliciously and not as good faith efforts to improve Wikipedia, is that right? LegalSmeagolian (talk) 15:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, they can be. Some of the NPOV/OR-style vandalism can live in a grey area. Since the requirement for a 1RR exception is "obvious vandalism", it would be better to steer clear of the grey areas and handle such edits in a way other than multiple reverts (post at a content noticeboard, post at a conduct noticeboard, etc.). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Cameron.B27 (15:58, 7 March 2024)
How do I add an image that i have on my photos to a page? --Cameron.B27 (talk) 15:58, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . If you have a photo that you took yourself, and if the contents of the photo do not infringe on anyone else's copyright, you should upload it at Commons:Special:UploadWizard. You can then insert it into an article here following the guidance at Help:Pictures. Let me know if you have any questions about the specifics of this process. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Question
Hello Firefangledfeathers. I know you advised me not to make an AE thread for awhile (and this probably doesn't need the entire process anyway), so what would be the best thing to do about an warring account that violated the WP:GA/AA restriction after being notified about it? KhndzorUtogh (talk) 22:19, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I'll be able to look into that in a few hours and I'll get back to you. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I gave them a final warning, and reverted their prohibited edit. Ping me if you see them breach the restriction again. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

February 2024 WikiProject Unreferenced articles backlog drive – award

 * Thank you for coordinating! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:58, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Dangels1234 on User:Dangels1234 (05:47, 9 March 2024)
Hello How do your edit --Dangels1234 (talk) 05:47, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Dangels1234, and welcome to Wikipedia. You may want to start off with some of the newcomer tasks, which give you some guidance on how to edit. I've also put a welcome message on your user talk page with some helpful links you may want to read, including Help:Introduction. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:39, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Starixxgamerrix (21:11, 10 March 2024)
Hi, firefangledfeathers, I just have a question, how do you do tables on your Wikipedia user page because I want to organize my templates that I used for my user page and I used userboxes but It seems that a lot of them don't work except for one that did work. So I wanted to take a different approach by adding tables but I don't know how, so can you help? Thanks! --Starixxgamerrix (talk) 21:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Starixxgamerrix! The place to look for guidance on tables is Help:Table. It's a big subject, and I can help if I know more about what you're trying to accomplish. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:08, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok I go do that, Thank you! :) Starixxgamerrix (talk) 22:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Johnstantine-hellblazering (16:41, 14 March 2024)
Hi I am new to this, I hate seeing typos in names, and wrong info.so I made an account, How do you change pictures? I hate when people use bad pictures when there's obviously a better one that they could use. --Johnstantine-hellblazering (talk) 16:41, 14 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Johnstantine-hellblazering, and welcome to Wikipedia! I like your username. We have a lot of typos that need fixing, so I'm glad to have you joining us. The hardest thing when it comes to images is licensing. I'm oversimplifying, but we can basically only use images that are:
 * Freely released under a license that is compatible with the project (this is a link to a policy at Commons, the main place we store such images)
 * In the public domain
 * Compatible with our non-free content criteria
 * Our image use policy goes into more specifics, and I'd be happy answer any follow-up questions. If you find a usable image that is better than what's currently in an article, the guidance for how to add it to the article is at Help:Pictures. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:59, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Re-opening RfC
FFF, is it acceptable to reopen the Murray RfC? I replied to your comment in the thread. I will take your advice regarding pings. As I said on the talk page, when I first made the change I noted the change in the RfC (see the comment location [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Douglas_Murray_(author)&diff=prev&oldid=1212566975#Request_for_Comment.) I've seen that done in the past when people try to clarify a RfC or add options. Of course they may have also pinged the editor on a user talk page. Thanks Springee (talk) 01:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I know you commented, and I didn't see a lack of a ping as some great sin, just a missed chance at avoiding some misunderstanding. TBH, I very nearly re-opened it myself, but this isn't a hyper-pressing issue. If FZ won't do it, I'll probably post at AN and see if an uninvolved admin will do the honors. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from DeeTsameret (08:26, 15 March 2024)
Hi! Are you allowed to put in links from other languages? I am editing Rehovot, and most of the source material is in Hebrew --DeeTsameret (talk) 08:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi DeeTsameret! Hebrew sources are welcome here. Per Verifiability, we prefer English sources when they're available and equally reliable. But there are definitely times when the best available source is not in English, and we strongly prefer to cite the best sources. Please be responsive to requests for translation, and if the content is controversial, you may want to proactively include a quote in the citation template.
 * There's a chance you're asking about linking to Wikipedia articles from other language projects. Those are also allowed, when there is no corresponding article on the English Wikipedia. MOS:IWL has info on how to do so. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for your complete answer. The Hebrew source is from the Rehovot archive, so is unfortunately not available in English, but can translate anything relevant if requested. DeeTsameret (talk) 18:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

¡Una barnstar para ti!

 * ¡Gracias! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from DLG57 (23:46, 17 March 2024)
Hi Mentor! I made a change in Wiki (Mike Rinder) and changed from "co-founded" to "joined". This has been an ongoing issue since Nov 2023 and multiple people have tried to correct it. How do I make a citation (even though others have already provided)? I can provide screen shots from the foundations website, but not sure how to provide it to Wiki for confirmation.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

DG --DLG57 (talk) 23:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . It looks like you already found your way to Talk:Mike Rinder and are discussing the change with another editor. I hope you two are able to reach consensus on the best way forward. If you try for a while and the discussion is deadlocked, you should consider WP:Dispute resolution, such as seeking out a third opinion. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from DeeTsameret (16:25, 20 March 2024)
Hi, I am still working on "Rehovot". In the first paragraph, it says: Rehovot (Hebrew: רְחוֹבוֹת Reḥōvōt [ʁeχoˈvot] / [ʁeˈχovot]) is a city in the Central District of Israel, about 20 kilometers (12 miles) south of Tel Aviv. In 2021 it had a population of 147,878.[1] But there is updated information for 2022, as appears in the table on the right. How can this be updated in the opening text? It won't allow me to make the changes. --DeeTsameret (talk) 16:25, 20 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . It's hard to help without knowing more about what's stopping you from making your desired changes. Is it that there's no "Edit source" button by the lead section. If so, there's advice here about what to do. If you're coming across some other warning/message/popup when you try to edit, could you paste it here? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:29, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Template:Israel populations - I am being sent to this template when I want to change the date to 2022.
 * When I click on the link to where they get the information from - https://www.cbs.gov.il/en/settlements/Pages/default.aspx?mode=Yeshuv I get the 2022 information, but I cannot update the first paragraph from 2021-2022, even though the table on the same entry is updated DeeTsameret (talk) 16:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarifying, . I started a discussion at the relevant template talk page and pinged the editor who has been maintaining it. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:40, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! DeeTsameret (talk) 16:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Banning procedures
It is pretty clear in normal word to list the reasons for ban isn' t it? There were some complaints about me and it was kind of arbitration so i should know what finally was a reason for ban? it is very mysterious procedure. instead of giving clear evidence of wrongdoing it is all based that it breaches policy x or y. When i look in such policy it starts clear that the one who complains oneself breaches same policy. If you ban you must list exact reasons for ban.( in normal world of course). My students are very interested in case. Currently it 41-0 against English Wikipedia but maybe your explanation will help. I also hope that this text will be not a reason for ban. i see that it is a sport on this Wikipedia to invite someone to discuss and afterwards quickly ban for doing so. Jarek19800 (talk) 23:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Non-administrator comment -- I saw this and wanted to do a quick message related to your question, which might answer some of your questions and Firefangledfeathers can answer the rest. So you were not truly "banned". You are still able to edit Wikipedia. What you received is called a topic ban. In this case, a topic ban from editing within the realm of Eastern Europe. The topic ban is "broadly constructed", which means the "ban" affects non-direct articles. An example of how "broadly constructed" works: Say you are topic banned from US politics. Hurricane Katrina itself is not an article about US politics, however, certain parts of the article intersect with it, like the Government response section. So you could edit part of the article (things that no one would think are politics like how much rain fell in X location), but that whole section or any section pretaining to US politics is off-limits. Hopefully that examples explains how "broadly constructed" works. For you, if there is even a thought that it might related to the Eastern Europe, don't edit the article.
 * To explain your exact ban reasoning, you should read Arbitration/Requests, specifically the section "Result concerning Jarek19800", where the administrators explain their reasoning. Firefangledfeathers can also explain it in more detail as well. Hopefully that answers a few questions you have. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:33, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Jarek, this was a reasonable request, and I've added a comment at your user talk page with some of the reasons for the ban. The Weather Event Writer's breakdown here is useful, and I hope you'll read their comment (and WP:TBAN) carefully. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * thank you for explanation. it is logical. still in case of Eastern Europe is fully tricky. On one side Eastern Europe is not fully defined due to Wikipedia.We only know it ends east with Ural. In western border it is different. I take as given it concerns former Soviet republics in Europe. Illustrative I can do any edit about Kazakhstan or about Poland. Unfortunately I do not"buy" your approach that" if something might concern, it concerns". it is "marxist" approach not known to civilized world.it is directly opposite to democratic legal concept of " what is not directly forbidden is allowed". I can imagine ban but it shall be more specific like"you made this edit it is breach of this rule" and so through whole list. First fact than rule not only rule. It is clear than how to appeal such ban. Jarek19800 (talk) 19:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * As a general rule to follow: Anything related to Belarus, Russia (and Soviet Union), Ukraine, Moldova, Romania, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, and Slovakia is off-limits. If you edit anything broadly in that topic range, you would receive a temporary full-ban due to violating your topic ban. You can appeal the topic ban in six months though if you have not violated it. You might not agree with how the topic-ban works, but Wikipedia is not a democracy nor nor a bureaucracy. Rules are rules. I was also topic banned in my past and I successfully appealed it. If you really do wish to improve Wikipedia for the better, you should continue editing in topics not related to Eastern Europe even remotely (example: Plants or the weather or science, ect...). But again, if there is a chance it relates or someone would relate it to Eastern Europe, do not edit it, or you risk a full temporary block on Wikipedia. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:40, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Until now my students voted 41-0 English Wikipedia (Polish is not so totalitarian) is rather marxist one and for sure bureaucracy and banning procedures in this example proves it fully. You are right- i prepare an appeal (my students require that)but for that I must get some non-standard knowledge. Never anyone of them would say that Poland is in Eastern Europe. It is shameful. It is like to say to German that he is from third world. Jarek19800 (talk) 20:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The ban is intentionally broad in scope. Editing while subject to a topic ban is tricky, and I wish you all the best in navigating it. If you're ever unsure about whether a given edit might violate the ban, you should ask an administrator. The Weather Event Writer is correct about all the areas they listed being covered by the ban. Kazakhstan edits would be fine, presuming they don't intersect in some other way with Eastern Europe matters. One correction to TWEW's points: there is no time restriction on when you can appeal the ban. The instructions for how to do so are here. That said, I do encourage you wait a while, and demonstrate good editing in other areas, before appealing. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * just one question: where it is defined on wikipedia which countries belong to Eastern Europe? the scope is definitively contradictory to what is defined in own English Wikipedia article Eastern Europe Jarek19800 (talk) 20:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The burden is on you to steer clear of any areas that are related to "Eastern Europe, broadly construed". The case that led to this area being considered a contentious topic is here, and you'll see that subsequent developments have considered Poland in scope. For some ideas about what has historically been included, you could look at what Eastern Europe topics come up at WP:AELOG/2024 or the logs from previous years. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This will be my final reply on this topic. After this, if you have further questions about clarifying your topic ban, you can post them Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment. Per the Wikipedia article, every country listed above in in fact mentioned. Most definitions include the countries of Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, Moldova and Romania while less restrictive definitions may also include some or all of the Visegrád group, the Baltic states, the Balkans and the Caucasus. A majority of nations situated in Eastern Europe are former socialist republics of the Soviet Union...Another definition was created by the Cold War, as Europe was ideologically divided by the Iron Curtain, with "Eastern Europe" being synonymous with communist states constituting the Eastern Bloc under the influence of the Soviet Union. Per just those few sentences, it is clear what constitutes "Eastern Europe". However, like I said, if you wish for more exact clarification, you can post a clarification request to better define "Eastern Europe". Once again, the restriction is classified as "broadly constructed", meaning it is more or less discretionary depending on what exact topics are considered "Eastern Europe" to that person. Post a clarification request if you are unsatisfied with this explanation. Noting I am not an administrator, so I am attempting to answer your question (which Firefangledfeathers, an administrator seems to agree with) and directing you to the place where you may request more specific clarification. Cheers! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Death of Nex Benedict page protection
Hi Firefangledfeathers - fyi, soon after the page protection you had added expired, an IP made what appear to have been test/null edits , which took some time to review to check for whether any disruption to the article happened. Also, as general context, contentious related news has continued to develop, so perhaps further page protection can be considered. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 22:42, 22 March 2024 (UTC)


 * also fyi, I've added a request at RFPP after this . Beccaynr (talk) 23:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Protected for 3 months. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:48, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Beccaynr (talk) 02:12, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from GraeCSi (03:45, 23 March 2024)
Hi there, Firefangledfeathers, When editing a scientific or math page, how similar is the markup to something like LaTex or TexMacs? --GraeCSi (talk) 03:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi GraeCSi. For math, editors frequently use LaTex embedded in math tags. There's a good breakdown of the options at Help:Displaying a formula. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:12, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Anirudhauttamseolekar (07:17, 24 March 2024)
How to post my article --Anirudhauttamseolekar (talk) 07:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Anirudhauttamseolekar, and welcome to Wikipedia. It looks like you have a draft article at your sandbox. It also looks like it may be about yourself. We generally discourage people from writing an article about themselves (see WP:AUTOBIO). If you're really committed to doing so, let me know and I'll tell you what comes next. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:50, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from WXYZ2468 (23:32, 24 March 2024)
Hello I have submitted two articles to Wikipedia, one has been declined and reviewed multiple times but the other and more significant of the two has not been reviewed once. I understand that it says to wait up to two months for review but it has now been over two months and my article on Franjo Krsto Delisimunovic has not been reviewed once. Just wondering if there's something I can do to have it reviewed or speed up the process. Thank you. --WXYZ2468 (talk) 23:32, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi WXYZ2468. I'm sorry to have to deliver the bad news, but there's nothing you can do to speed up the review process. The backlog is large right now. Maybe while you're waiting, there's more to add to the article? The version at Croatian Wikipedia has a bit more info, though I can't say if it's reliably sourced or not. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:05, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Gender-critical feminism
I’m asking for your help because you are an admin who I see around on gensex articles. There is an edit notice on the Gender-critical feminism article saying that it should only be edited by users with 500 edits and an account age of 30 days i.e. editing is restricted to extended-confirmed users. I don’t know who added the restriction.

However, the article is not E-C protected. Should the page be E-C protected? Sweet6970 (talk) 16:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)


 * It looks like created the edit notice in 2019 with the content about a 500/30 restriction. As far as I can tell, the article (then a redirect) has never been EC protected. I don't see anything in the AE logs. El C, would you object to replacing the edit notice with one that doesn't mention ECP? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Sure np, whatever you think makes sense. El_C 20:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks., the editnotice is now just the generic one that mentions the contentious topic. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clearing that up. Sweet6970 (talk) 20:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the explanation, my bad. Jeppiz (talk) 21:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)


 * No worries! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Delbertasueeklund on Midwestern worm snake (02:58, 27 March 2024)
I have had these worm snakes in my yard. I live in a timber in Central Illinois  Stark County, Illinois. Every spring they come out. I usually see at least 2 to 3 of them. They are a tarnish color and maybe 14 to 18 inches long an about 3/8 inch in diameter at the most. The underside is lighter than the top and kind of very light pink. I play with them for a minute and release them. My timber is unmowed even around my house. Plenty of dew worms because I do not spray any pesticides or herbicides. I have been finding these little snakes for many years. --Delbertasueeklund (talk) 02:58, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Question about Contentious topics/Balkans or Eastern Europe
Hi Firefangledfeathers! I should have asked this here but does this topic apply to Turkey-related articles fully or only partially? I'm asking because it says "broadly construed" there, given Turkey is partially in Balkans? Would all Turkey related articles be covered? There is Category:Wikipedia_controversial_topics but I think it only goes by talk page templates put by editors. Bogazicili (talk) 07:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)


 * In my experience, and based on a quick glance at the AE logs, Turkey mainly comes up in enforcement actions when the misconduct overlaps either with other Balkan nations (usually Greece) or Armenia/Azerbaijan (usually Armenia, and usually genocide-related). I wouldn't rule out Turkey being covered by ARBEE, but I don't think it would be helpful to tag Turkey topics as being fully covered. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Geographic places seem routinely vandalized though. For example, count how many Smyrna's are in the lead of İzmir in this version (there's one extra in the footnote as well). Btw, there's also Smyrna and Old Smyrna articles. I remember fixing the lead long time ago and now it's a mess again. Everything requires constant watch. Bogazicili (talk) 16:15, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If you notice an article getting disruption tied to Eastern Europe–related nationalism disputes, I'd definitely recommend tagging the talk page with Template:Contentious topics/talk notice. Editors involved in such edits should get the alert, and AE would be amenable, I think, to enforcement requests about disruption in those topics. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Good to know, thanks! Bogazicili (talk) 18:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Death of Nex Benedict
As a heads-up, I've upgraded to full protection for 72 hours due to edit warring/content dispute. I noticed that you've added a 3 month semi as a CTOP, so this is a courtesy note to restore the semi-protection when the full protection expires. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 04:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up. Layered protection couldn't come too soon. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Ethics Workshop Participation Request
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New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024
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New legal article
I have finished enough of Consciousness of guilt (legal) to go public with it. Further development and improvement will be appreciated. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 19:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Al Saint James (21:47, 2 April 2024)
Hi, thamks for your help offer. I am a great believer and supporter of free access to information. Wikipedia is a common repository of public knowledge. I have always wandered how do you edit or complement info in Wikipedia, but had never been invited to do so until today. There are several topics that interest me, one specific area in which I have studied in depth and have experience is water treatment, both for potable water as well as domestic and industrial wastewater. Another area in which I have expertice is in agricultural irrigation. I am a mechanical engineer with a Ph.D. in Thermodybanics and Fluid Mechanics and have worked all my life around water use, water conveyance, distribution, control and reuse in agricultural irrigation and water treatment. I shall get back in touch with you once I have reviewed what is already published in Wikipedia. Al --Al Saint James (talk) 21:47, 2 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. Sounds like you'll be a great fit. There's some good advice for editors with subject-matter expertise at Expert editors. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Sockpuppet tip
FYI, seems like another sock of Belteshazzar. Llacb47 (talk) 17:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Llacb47. Blocked. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Iam2bar+1a (21:37, 4 April 2024)
Hello, I am new to this. I found the information at West Virginia Encyclopedia and another source. Do I add that? Thanks for your help. --Iam2bar+1a (talk) 21:37, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi . Yes, please! When you find a good source, we encourage you to be bold and use it to improve any relevant articles. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from TheSupremeMoron (00:28, 5 April 2024)
Hiya, I was just wondering: I made some edits on a wiki page but they were removed because of lack of sources. I didn't know what appropriate sources to use so I was wondering, what are the appropriate sources? --TheSupremeMoron (talk) 00:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * It looks like some were reverted because they added dates of birth for living individuals. There's a special policy in place, WP:BLP, to make sure we get things right for living people. Some consider their exact date of birth private, so we only include it if it's mentioned in multiple reliable sources. You can read more about the restriction at WP:BLPDOB and more about what counts as a reliable source at WP:RS. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ah, got ya TheSupremeMoron (talk) 01:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Vikrant Singh patyal on Talk:Sukhmani Sahib (00:27, 8 April 2024)
ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਸਦਕਾ ਸੁਖਮਨੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਜਾਪ ਅਤੇ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਚ ਹੀ ਪ੍ਰੋ ਕੇ ਸਾਰੀ ਸੁਖਮਨੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ complete ਹੋ ਗੲਈ ਹੈ ਦੀਨੇ ਹਸਤ ਪਾਵ ਨੇਤ੍ ਕਰਿ ਰਸਨਾ। ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੇ ਨਾਮ ਤੇ ਬਹੁਤ ਜ਼ੋਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਹੈ। ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਜਪੁਜੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਫਿਰ ਆਨੰਦ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਬਾਣੀਆਂ ਦੀ ਲਿਖਤ ਸੇਵਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਲੲਈ।ਆਪਿ ਜਪਾਏ ਜਪੈ ਸੋ ਨਾਉ ,ਨਾਨਕ ਜਾਪੁ ਜਪੈ ਜਾਪੁ ਸੋਇ ਦੇ ਮਹਾਂ ਵਾਕਾਂ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਕੀ ਇਸਨੂੰ record ਦਰਜ਼ ਕਰਾ ਸਕਦੇ ਹਾਂ । ਪ੍ਰੇਮੀ ਜਨ ਰਾਏ ਦਿਉ ਮ --Vikrant Singh patyal (talk) 00:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi . It looks like you're interested in working on the Sukhmani Sahib article. If you're proficient in English, please use it while you communicate here (see WP:ENGLISHPLEASE). If not, you might prefer to contribute to another language's Wikipedia. For example, you might work on the Punjabi Wikipedia article about Sukhmani Sahib. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Request Page
I can create a page called: Fundamental Paper Education?.

Fundamental Paper Education is an animated YouTube webseries created by Kaaatie. It centers around a group of students and teachers in a school made of paper, where the consequences for misbehavior are fatally extreme. Du Cong Alliance (talk) 03:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Du Cong Alliance! It looks like you've already gotten started at your sandbox page. The thing that you most need for the article are secondary, independent sources that cover the webseries. Has it been covered in any news media? Just a couple such sources will go a long way toward the article sticking. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:40, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

"Wikipedia:Wretched hive of scum and villainy" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wretched_hive_of_scum_and_villainy&redirect=no Wikipedia:Wretched hive of scum and villainy] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Sirromdivad (23:54, 13 April 2024)
G'day, I want to add more detail about a battle we fought in Vietnam in 1971. The Battle of Nui Le has been covered and mostly centres on D Coy. I was in B Coy and we also took casualties and fought a numerically superior enemy force. I now have the official reports that detail the involvement. How do I include them in the report? Dave --Sirromdivad (talk) 23:54, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . Wikipedia is a tertiary source, meaning it primarily summarizes what is already covered in secondary sources. We generally prefer to use books, news articles, and articles in journals as our sources, even if the primary sources (like battle reports) are more official. There's room for some limited use of primary sources, but you may want to bring those up for review at Talk:Battle of Nui Le or ask for some help from WikiProject Military history. There are already two books in the reference section and some other usable stuff in "Further reading", so it might also help to check those secondary sources out first to see if they have more info on B Company. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

February 2024 situation
I know it's long over, but I was wondering how could've I handled it better. Basically, the guy kept making false allegations of WP:UCR against me just because he disagreed with my edit summary (as you said, it's not UCR if an edit summary makes sense but the reverter disagrees) so I had to scream at him in all caps because he didn't listen to me. I know that was quite inappropriate, so how else could I have gotten him to understand that disagreeing with an edit summary for removal is not UCR? 35.141.142.199 (talk) 16:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hey IP35. Hopefully you don't run into that issue anymore, and you're welcome to ask me for help if you do. It's rarely worth to get into all-caps shouting matches, and those situations are usually better resolved by (neutrally) seeking out some input from other editors. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Also I forgot to say, he called our attempt of dispute resolution an "unwanted conversation". That is very rude. Methinks he was trying to shove his argument down my throat without letting me voice my opposition. 35.141.142.199 (talk) 16:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It was rude. I hope it doesn't happen again. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Gambia disambiguation
Hey Firefangledflame. To follow up on our discussion at User_talk:ZeroAlpha87, I used PetScan and a tool to filter and see the disambiguations used for The Gambia and The Bahamas.


 * "(Bahamas)" – 30 articles
 * Banknotes of the Bank of Nassau (Bahamas)
 * Booby Cay (Bahamas)
 * Castle Bank & Trust (Bahamas)
 * Commando Squadron (Bahamas)
 * Commonwealth Labour Party (Bahamas)
 * Deep Creek (Bahamas)
 * Diamond Cay (Bahamas)
 * Discovery Island (Bahamas)
 * Go Down Moses (Bahamas)
 * Goose River (Bahamas)
 * Hawk Creek (Bahamas)
 * Island School (Bahamas)
 * John Boyd (Bahamas)
 * Labour Party (Bahamas)
 * Lake Cunningham (Bahamas)
 * Lake Killarney (Bahamas)
 * Leader of the Opposition (Bahamas)
 * Man Island (Bahamas)
 * National Development Party (Bahamas)
 * Office of the Attorney-General & Ministry of Legal Affairs (Bahamas)
 * Order of Distinction (Bahamas)
 * Order of Excellence (Bahamas)
 * Order of Merit (Bahamas)
 * Order of the Nation (Bahamas)
 * Order of the National Hero (Bahamas)
 * Pelican Creek (Bahamas)
 * Sandy Creek (Bahamas)
 * St. Augustine's College (Bahamas)
 * Timber Creek (Bahamas)
 * Workers' Party (Bahamas)


 * "(The Bahamas)" – 18 articles
 * Bell Island (The Bahamas)
 * BTC (The Bahamas)
 * Commander of the Defence Force (The Bahamas)
 * Democratic National Alliance (The Bahamas)
 * Dynamos FC (The Bahamas)
 * Egg Island (The Bahamas)
 * Fort Fincastle (The Bahamas)
 * Hope Great House (The Bahamas)
 * Laker Airways (The Bahamas)
 * Minister of Foreign Affairs (The Bahamas)
 * Ministry of Finance (The Bahamas)
 * Ministry of Foreign Affairs (The Bahamas)
 * Ministry of Health (The Bahamas)
 * Ministry of National Security (The Bahamas)
 * Ministry of Public Works (The Bahamas)
 * Pledge of Allegiance (The Bahamas)
 * St Andrew's School (The Bahamas)
 * United F.C. (The Bahamas)


 * (Gambia) – 6 articles
 * Democratic Party (Gambia)
 * Denton Bridge (Gambia)
 * Order of the Republic (Gambia)
 * Prime Bank (Gambia)
 * The Independent (Gambia)
 * Trust Bank Limited (Gambia)


 * (The Gambia) – 24 articles
 * 2003–04 First Division (The Gambia)
 * 2005 First Division (The Gambia)
 * 2006 First Division (The Gambia)
 * 2007 First Division (The Gambia)
 * 2008 First Division (The Gambia)
 * 2009 First Division (The Gambia)
 * Chief of the Defence Staff (The Gambia)
 * Kiang (The Gambia)
 * Minister of Energy and Petroleum (The Gambia)
 * Minister of Finance and Economic Affairs (The Gambia)
 * Minister of Foreign Affairs (The Gambia)
 * Minister of Justice (The Gambia)
 * Minister of the Interior (The Gambia)
 * Minister of Tourism and Culture (The Gambia)
 * Minister of Women's Affairs (The Gambia)
 * National Convention Party (The Gambia)
 * National People's Party (The Gambia)
 * People's Progressive Party (The Gambia)
 * Radio 1 FM (The Gambia)
 * State Intelligence Services (The Gambia)
 * Today Newspaper (The Gambia)
 * United Democratic Party (The Gambia)
 * United Party (The Gambia)
 * West Coast Division (The Gambia)

"(the Gambia)" and "(the Bahamas)" are not used in any article titles. Thought this was interesting and something we should probably get sorted out for consistency. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:25, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * It is interesting. Though I've advocated for "the Bahamas" in running prose, I'm not sure I'd push for lowercase "(the ...)" in title disambiguators. As I said at the other page, "(Bahamas)" seems like the move here: natural, concise, etc. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I might go ahead and do that at some point, but I thought I'd put it out there in case there was some obvious reason I shouldn't be :P Hey man im josh (talk) 16:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The obvious reason is that there might have to be a whole fight about it. You know how capitalization debates go... Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yep, I'm aware of the drama that can occur 🙃! Thanks for chiming in on that user talk page by the way :) Hey man im josh (talk) 16:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 62
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Women in Green GA Editathon June 2024 - Going Back in Time
 Hello Firefangledfeathers:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a  month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in June 2024!

Running from June 1 to 30, 2024, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Going Back in Time! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 20 centuries by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there! Grnrchst (talk) 10:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for June 5
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Far-right politics, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page The Public Eye.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 05:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Good bot. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from TriosLosDios (23:19, 17 April 2024)
Hello firefangledfeathers my awesome Mentor 🏆 I have a question. On Wikipedia location for Milton,Florida ... I wanted to update photo of new court house and new location of GPS coordinates and brand new building address physical location and address. However, I am unable to edit or update this info. I have attempted this several times in different ways. Also, I created a new Draft: Santa Rosa County Court House. However, that was denied as update for this information as well. Thanks for any assistance here TriosLosDios 😀 --TriosLosDios (talk) 23:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . Looks like you're trying to do a few good things and running into some common and understandable errors. The courthouse image you uploaded looks to have been copyrighted by the Florida government, and it should probably be deleted. While uploading, you said that it was published before 1929, but I'm reasonably sure that's mistaken. Let me know soon if you know something I don't, as deletion is probably imminent. If you are able to take your own image of the courthouse, I can help you get it into the right place.
 * Starting a brand new article is tough, and it's very common to have your first attempt rejected a few times. I'd encourage you to get more familiar with editing practices before you spend more time on your draft. If you'd rather focus on the draft, there's some good advice on Help:Your first article. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the suggestions and encouragement. TriosLosDios (talk) 04:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I sent you a message regarding a previous discussion.
Omar Jabarin (talk) 18:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . I've seen your email and will try to get back to you in the next couple days. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Firefangledfeathers
 * Thanks a lot for listening. I am hoping to hear your input before I proceed with the situation. Omar Jabarin (talk) 00:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Captain sparrow199 (05:53, 20 April 2024)
Hello ‪Firefangledfeathers‬, i'm iso user, so in iso, there is no any suggestion contribution section in app,, can you tell me how to do suggestion contribution from app --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 05:53, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi . I tried a few different ways and was unable to access that feature using the iOS app. You may need to use your device's browser (e.g. Safari) to get to the homepage where the newcomer tasks are. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey, after adding citation, can i remove "Multiple issues more citations needed" tag from article? --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 08:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe! If there are still many statements in the article that are unsourced, you should leave the tag. If there are just a few, you might remove that tag and individually tag the unsourced statements with Template:Citation needed, if those aren't already present. I would encourage you to WP:BEBOLD and trust your judgment, and be ready to talk with others if your de-tagging is undone. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Riddles42 (18:40, 20 April 2024)
Hello! And thanks for the welcome :) I was wondering how to know whether to mark something as a "minor edit" or not. --Riddles42 (talk) 18:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi ! The best page to look at for an answer is H:MINOR. The short answer is that you never have to mark an edit minor, and it's only useful if your careful to use it for truly minor edits. If I'm just fixing an obvious typo or adding a wikilink, I'll sometimes use the minor tag. Even then, I often forget to do so. If you engage in some repetetive and rapid minor fixes, you might get someone reach out to you and ask you to check the box, but in most cases it'll bother very few people if you forget. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy note
Informing you about the SPI I just filed, Sockpuppet investigations/Souniel Yadav since it's outcome can influence at least 2 reports on WP:ARE one of which you are already handling. Thanks Srijanx22 (talk) 12:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the notice. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

OJ Simpson: how should we treat his (almost certain) guilt now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:O._J._Simpson#How_should_we_treat_Simpson's_%E2%80%9Cculpability%E2%80%9D_in_the_murders;_neutral_or_adamant?

I have raised the discussion as to whether how we should reflect's Simpson's culpability for the "crime of the century", much like LHO is named "guilty". Discussions open here. 92.17.198.220 (talk) 21:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

The talk section is "How should we treat Simpson's “culpability” in the murders; neutral or adamant?" 92.17.198.220 (talk) 21:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Redir full protection for Where is Kate?
You're right, create protection doesn't seem to be the right protection level for that redirect... but I think the kerfuffle has died down after multiple discussions and everyone is OK living with the results. I don't think full protection is needed for the redirect--I'd check with to verify that, but I think create protection should have been removed after the closure at Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 14. Not an urgent issue, as no one has edited the redirect in over two weeks. Jclemens (talk) 04:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I've dropped it down to semi-protection,. and I'm willing to be persuaded to remove the protection entirely. I notice, however, that there still seems to be a non-trivial amount of traffic to the redirect, which was slowly tending to zero but has oddly ticked back upwards in the last couple of days: see  &mdash; The Anome (talk) 06:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No objections from me. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:09, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Helper Wikibot (13:27, 25 April 2024)
Hello *Firefangledfeathers*. How can I protect an article from a text that looks like an advertisement? --Helper Wikibot (talk) 13:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . If you see some text that looks overly promotional, you are encouraged to be bold and reword or remove it. If an entire article consists of advertisement-like language, it may be eligible for speedy deletion (see WP:G11).
 * On another note: I highly recommend that you request a username change. Usernames that suggest you might be a bot are prohibited by the Username policy. You can request a new name at Changing username/Simple. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Firefangledfeathers Thank you for your help. Helper Wikibot (talk) 13:39, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Firefangledfeathers. Username policy Can you help me change my username to "HelperWik25"? new name at Changing username/Simple Helper Wikibot (talk) 13:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Helper Wikibot, that name is available. At Changing username/Simple, click on #5 "Click here to place your request." Put HelperWik25 right after "NEW=", and right after "REASON=" explain that you don't want a bot-like username. Click the blue "Publish changes" button, and then wait! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Cibus Mission (16:57, 30 April 2024)
Hi! Thank you for helping! My name is Denise and I am the Founder of the nonprofit Cibus Mission. I just want to write an article about our organization. We are a 501c3 nonprofit and have all our paperwork and website in order. We have been approved Google Ad Grant for a few months now. Can I just write the article or do I need to do something else before I can get started? Also how long does it take to get published? How long does it take for an update or edit to go through? thank you --Cibus Mission (talk) 16:57, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . Before I get to your questions, I should tell you that you need to change your username. Our username policy does not allow for names of organizations/companies, as they can imply shared use and be overly promotional. Please head on over to Changing username/Simple to request a new name. Let me know if you run into any issues. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Wow! Thanks for the fast reply, I figured out that I can't write the article about the organization because of conflict of interest. So, I guess that's that. I had no idea. I will ask around to see if anyone wants to write an article for us. Thankyou so much for your time! Have a good day :D I'll change my username later on today. Cibus Mission (talk) 17:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I knew you were going to be nice so I only gave the username template instead of a block. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:49, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 🤪 Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from TriosLosDios on 2011 Uzbekistan Cup final (18:18, 30 April 2024)
Hello Firefangledfeathers 👋 ... If you don't mind I have a question. The page "2011 Uzbekistan Cup final" needs a reference added and also a citation. What's the process to accomplish this task ? Can you help please?

Thanks 😊 --TriosLosDios (talk) 18:18, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . Do you already have a source in mind, or are you looking for help in finding sources? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do have several sources in mind to contribute to wherever needed to be applied. However, dont know how to add inline [1] ... next to paragraph example where citation to reference is to be applied. TriosLosDios (talk) 18:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Let's start with one at a time. If it's an online source, can you paste the url here? If not, could you give me a title and tell me the format (book, magazine, etc.)? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Re: page reference
I have added content now. Hope I applied correct process. The reference/citation used was from a specific website Fifa.com. Is this OK? TriosLosDios (talk) 19:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


 * A good start! I made some changes that you should check out. The next step is to add more information about the source. Using a template like Template:Cite web can help. Just the url, title, date, and website parameters would be enough. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Chris Quiñonez (03:33, 4 May 2024)
Hola 👋 soy Chris Quiñonez, ¿ como publico una cita? --Chris Quiñonez (talk) 03:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hola Chris Quiñonez! You may be asking about how to add a quote to an article (there's some info about that at our Manual of Style) or about how to add a citation to an article (see Help:Citations). Either way, I'd urge to you to write in English here if you're able. If you are mainly comfortable writing in Spanish, we could use your help at the Spanish Wikipedia.
 * (Esto se hizo usando Google Translate, así que lo siento si hay errores): Hola Chris Quiñonez! Quizás te preguntes cómo agregar una cita a un artículo (hay información al respecto en nuestro Manual de Estilo) o cómo agregar una cita a un artículo (ver Help:Citations). De cualquier manera, le recomiendo que escriba aquí en inglés si puede. Si principalmente se siente cómodo escribiendo en español, nos vendría bien su ayuda en la Wikipedia en español. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Krk1971 (15:28, 7 May 2024)
Hi there. Can you please advise on adding mentions for people that have been involved in projects that are on Wikipedia? For eg, a major civil engineering project that involved many different people eg client, main contractor, sub contractor, designers etc. Some of our projects are on Wikipedia but only the main contractors are credited, rather than including designers etc. I am able to provide links to verify our involvement. I look forward to hearing from you. --Krk1971 (talk) 15:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . Wikipedia is a tertiary source, meaning we mainly function as a summary of what's been published in reliable, secondary sources. When deciding what information about a civil engineering project to include, we look to such secondary sources to find information and then use our editorial judgment to determine what makes it into the article. If secondary sources mention the sub-contractors, designers, etc., there's a good reason to add them to the article. If not, it's unlikely that a mention is warranted.
 * Since you mention "our projects", it's possible that some of the articles you're considering editing are ones with which you have a conflict of interest. If so, it's important that you read and adhere to our conflict of interest guideline. If you read it and have any questions, please let me know. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your input, I appreciate it 81.107.195.70 (talk) 13:09, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:ARE response
In the WP:ARE against me, user Cossde has now repeatedly accused me of WP:Votestacking which I believe are unwarranted. Since you have notified me of word limit, I'm unsure how to proceed. Am I allowed to respond? --- Petextrodon (talk) 17:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . In your section at AE, you should request a word limit extension. Think about how many words you think you'll need to respond and say something like "I'm requesting an extension of XXX additional words to respond to Cossde's statement." I may be able to consider such a request in half a day or so, but other responding admins might get to it sooner. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've done just that now. --- Petextrodon (talk) 18:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Granted. 105 is reasonable. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Turkish6
Hi Firefangledfeathers, thanks a lot for taking the time to try to help Turkish6 get on the right track. I'm afraid that I have far less patience than you do when dealing with this problem user, but I'll wait to see if they give a reasonable response before I do anything rash. Kiwipete (talk) 14:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hey . You've been more on the front lines of this issue than I've been, so I'm not in a place to judge your patience! I do think it's worth giving them one more shot before we take a trip to ANI. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

No queerphobia
Do you have a reference that supports someone who identifies as transgender making an unconscious choice to be that way? As written, the wording "being LGBT is a conscious choice" can be read differently. I agree with people having no control over their sexual feelings. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't think that being trans is a choice, conscious or unconscious. Various sources exist to address that myth. See, for example, this piece in Slate or this explainer from GLAAD.
 * (I'm using trans as an umbrella term here. I do think there's choice involved for some people in what terms you use to describe your gender and trans status.) Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information =) I made a topic on the essay's talkpage about adding references to the points made if you are curious. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

AfD question from your mentee
Hello. You've been assigned to be my mentor. I wanted to get advice on Pledgie that I would like to put up for AfD. I'm not asking for permission, nor for you to join in the discussion. I don't need any help with WP:AFDHOWTO, but as I've recently joined, I want to know if I'm missing anything regarding the spirit of WP:GNG and to ask: Is AfD the right thing to do, or not?

Here's what I plan to open the AfD discussion with:

"(I've recently joined Wiki). I'm unable to deorphan this article and upon closer inspection, the article doesn't seem to pass any of the points of WP:GNG. The sources are mainly self-published sources (WP:RSSELF), and the secondary sources are blog posts (possibly falling under WP:USERG), with the only news coverage being hyperlocal. Sources 1 and 2 are blog posts. Sources 3, 5, 7, and 8 are self-published blog posts (with source 3 being a Tweet). Source 4 is from KC Free Press, which seems to be a hyperlocal news organization (but I would say it's closer to a blog). Source 6 links to the topic's GitHub page. Sources 9 and 10 link to the home page to websites, so are not even sources for anything in the article." BlueSharkLagoon (talk) 14:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . As an AfD opener, that's looking pretty good. The main improvement would be to conduct your own search for GNG-compliant sources and mention in your comment if you didn't find any, or not enough. This is a critical part of the AfD process, and it's laid out at WP:BEFORE. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:38, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll research the topic before I run the AfD.
 * If you feel it appropriate, would you also be able to close the AfD I opened Articles for deletion/Gladerberg, so I can reopen it as 'proposed deletion' instead? Based on what's posted, I don't think it would be necessary for it to be discussed and would waste community time (and I didn't know what 'proposed deletion' was before it was mentioned). BlueSharkLagoon (talk) 01:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it. I would recommend letting that AfD run its course. Looks like a discussion worth having, and it's likely that no community time will be wasted. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Hereditzimms (18:45, 12 May 2024)
Hello, how do I find an article I might want to edit and how would I cite a source once I do? --Hereditzimms (talk) 18:45, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . There are lots of good places to start. You could begin at your homepage, which can guide you toward topics you're interested in and suggest some edits for you. If you find a useful source to add to the article, there's guidance for how to cite it at Help:Citations. If you run into any issues, let me know! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Happy
I saw your name in my watchlist, and it made me happy, so I am bringing you a little bit of a fire-colored feather. I hope you have a happy day. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reaching out ! Your kind message caught me at time where it was much needed. Hope you're well. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'm doing well. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hounding concerns
To avoid bothering ScottishFinnishRadish with another question about this topic area I was hoping it would be OK to ask you, as I have seen you had some activity at AE in regards to the topic area? If not, please say and I'll find someone else.

For a while I have been concerned that Kashmiri has been hounding me; they have had a habit of turning up at articles shortly after I make an edit, to revert me or argue against me, but I haven't had proof and arguably some of these could fall under "correct use of an editor's history".

However, that changed yesterday, when an hour after creation they nominated two pages I was using (Move test page 1 and Move test page 2) to test enhancements to the rmCloser script (rmCloserExpanded). I asked them to explain how they found them, and their explanation was routine monitoring of Wikipedia, after which they declined to explain further. As such, the only explanation I can see is that this routine monitoring consisted of tracking my contributions.

So long as this behavior was within ARBPIA it was tolerable, though unwelcome, but now that they have expanded it outside the topic area - and to areas of true triviality - it is no longer tolerable. However, I'm not sure how to deal with it; most of it occurred within ARBPIA, but the "smoking gun" occurred outside of it, so I'm not sure if AE would be the correct place, and I'm not certain AE wouldn't be an overreaction? I am hoping you can provide some guidance. BilledMammal (talk) 21:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Jokes on you, I watch this talk page. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I actually typed this out on your page, before deciding you deserved a break and moving it here - so much for that idea! BilledMammal (talk) 21:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi ! Having just confronted the other editor, I think you have an opportunity here to take no action and see how things develop. If hounding continues and it stays mostly ARBPIA-related, I do think AE would be the spot, and that one bit of relevant non-ARBPIA evidence would still be useful. For the record, I'm speaking with my involved admin hat on here, having been in disputes with both you and K. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you; that sounds like a good idea, I will do that. BilledMammal (talk) 02:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Happy to help. Monotremes are always welcome here! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I would like to start discussion for Rename or move for Hindutva to Hindutva Politics
I have reason s, can you start discussion? EntrepreneurPedia (talk) 22:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . The instructions for what you're trying to do are at Requested moves. If you'd like assistance in getting through those steps, I'd be happy to help. If so, let me know, and please explain here what reasons you have for proposing the move. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/narendra-modi-concerns-muslims-bjp-logic-winnability-9336855/lite/ EntrepreneurPedia (talk) 22:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I must point out in the recent events Hindutva phrase is used in 90% in politics even shirt description of the current title says its more about politics than just Hindutva. EntrepreneurPedia (talk) 22:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , could you write a couple sentences that make your points? Newcomers will come from other parts of Wikipedia to decide whether the title should change. What would you like them to read first? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I will write but the article is pretty good I got to know about Hinduva Politics from this article only, but I feel the Title is irrelevant. Ill write some points in few hours let me read some sources. And get myself on right track since I have no problem with content inside the article because its really informative. EntrepreneurPedia (talk) 22:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Fahim Ibn Malek (07:14, 24 May 2024)
give me something for editing --Fahim Ibn Malek (talk) 07:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Fahim Ibn Malek! I see from your userpage that you are from Bangladesh. Category:Bangladesh articles needing attention includes high-importance Bangladesh articles that need some improvement. For example, maybe you could help add sources to Geology of Bangladesh and improve its quality? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Captain sparrow199 (10:43, 24 May 2024)
Hello, Can you share some wiki tools, where i can check the authentication of article --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 10:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Captain sparrow199. I'm not sure what you mean by "authentication of article", but it's possible you're referring to whether the content is verifiable and supported by reliable sources. One tool I like is User:Headbomb/unreliable, a script that helps distinguish generally reliable sources from generally unreliable ones. It's just a tool, and you still have to use your best judgment! I hope this helps answer your question, and please let know if I've misunderstood. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Captain sparrow199 (10:49, 24 May 2024)
Hey, i got the article suggestion name "Richard Saunders (skeptic) " someone comment on advertised content, so can i remove the part, where i feel that this content is look like promotional --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 10:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi again Captain sparrow199. If you're able to rewrite content so that the tone is less promotional, that would be preferable to removal (see WP:PRESERVE). That said, if you think removal is the best way to address the issue, be bold and go for it; make sure to leave an informative edit summary explaining the reasons for your removals. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Captain sparrow199 (06:45, 27 May 2024)
Hey Buddy, recently i created 2 article, can you tell me who will review the article? --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 06:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hey again @Captain sparrow199. Newly created articles are reviewed by New Pages Patrollers, who review the queue of creations, add tags for improvement, and nominate articles for deletion if there's some issue with their notability. I can't say who exactly will review yours, but you'll get a notification when they are marked as reviewed. It can take some weeks/months, so please be patient. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for information Captain sparrow199 (talk) 01:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks for the barnstar, Captain sparrow199. Always happy to help. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from DeeTsameret (15:25, 31 May 2024)
Looking at the introductory paragraphs of the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Yellin_College_of_Education

It seems to me that the 3rd paragraph includes historical information that doesn't belong there. Can you suggest a college description that would be an appropriate model for this type of item? --DeeTsameret (talk) 15:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi DeeTsameret. As you may already know, since the paragraph you're referring to is focused on the Arab-Israeli conflict, you should not edit it directly (per the WP:ARBECR applied to that whole topic area). In general, I would say the major problem with that article is that it does not cite any sources. It's hard to know which aspects of history are integral to an understanding of the college. Only by finding and summarizing reliable sources could we decide what is or isn't worthy of inclusion. I might look to an article like Pomona College, a featured article, for broad guidance on what a high-quality college article looks like. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your guidance and suggestion, I will read the Pomona College article. I wasn't thinking of deleting the paragraph from the article, just moving it to the history section, because the past history of the Arab-Israeli conflict (War of Independence, and 1967 War) is not relevant to the general college description, correct? Is it a problem for me to move it down to the appropriate section?
 * DeeTsameret (talk) 15:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. It would indeed be a problem for you to move the paragraph or edit it directly in any way. If you see the current placement as a problem, you should start a talk page discussion requesting a specific edit to it (like moving it to the history section). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:TRUMP - From your mentee, Svampesky
(I've changed my username from BlueSharkLagoon since we contacted because it was just three random words) Hey. I have noticed that Donald Trump has... a lot of articles. The talk page for Talk:Donald Trump even says or dozens of other places, as listed in. Thanks!. The essay Not every single thing Donald Trump does deserves an article talks about this specifically. I was considering moving the shortcut of WP:TRUMP from WikiProject Donald Trump to the essay I linked above. I'm not asking for permission, nor blessing. Would this be a disruptive edit that would cause drama? If so, please let me know and I won't do it. Currently, only 15 pages use the WP:TRUMP shortcut, so there wouldn't be much change. The essay is most often cited in deletion discussions about Trump-related articles, so it would help editors to quickly shortcut, to save time. Is it a bad idea for me to change the shortcut?Svampesky (talk) 16:02, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I do think it's likely to be challenged, and I would say generally that the culture here seems to prioritize WikiProjects over essays when it comes to shortcuts. If you try to change the shortcut target and that change is reverted, you could try WP:RfD for a wider discussion. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ I did a carefully worded edit summary too. I'll go ahead and change the links to the places that used the shortcut to WikiProject Donald Trump. Thanks! Svampesky (talk) 16:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm going through changing the link to the 15 previous uses (but preserving the text). What do I do when a page says this at the top: This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page., as it does on this page? I'm assuming that 'edit' is in the spirit of adding comments, not doing maintainence edits like fixing links. I allowed to edit this page? Svampesky (talk) 16:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You should be fine to fix those links. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅. I've kept it all clean, so can be easily reverted if it is to be challenged. I'll make a note here to say again that my intention was to make discussions, such as deletion discussions, easier. Thanks for the advice! Svampesky (talk) 16:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No problem! Interested to see what happens next. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * At worst, it'll be a 'fake news and phoney witch hunt hoax' against me on some admin noticeboard. Trump is covered very uniquely on Wikipedia, so the reaction will be interesting. I think Trump supporters will want the shortcut to go to the WikiProject and the opponents will want it to go the the essay (but me changing it was not indicative of being on either side). The discussion yesterday about whether 'convicted felon' should be in the Donald Trump lede was interesting to read. Thanks again! Svampesky (talk) 17:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Follow-up question
Is what I did best practice? That is to act boldly, but make it easy to revert. If it is challenged, then have a discussion. The intention was to save community time by not initially opening up a discussion, but is this usually perceived as 'shoot first, ask questions later'? Svampesky (talk) 17:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * In most cases, we encourage editors to be bold and improve the project as they see fit (see the guideline Be bold). Ease of reversion is definitely a factor, so I'd be more likely to discuss first if undoing the work would take more than a half hour or so. We urge a bit more caution when editing outside of articles, as you were, but that caution can just mean careful consideration. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay thank you. I opened it up on the talk page here, and listed the subsequent edits I made. (I used Special:Diff as I saw it being used on the admin noticeboard, I hope it isn't an admin tool that I wasn't supposed to use). Svampesky (talk) 17:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Reverted without any trumpets or fanfare. I'm not going to open up a discussion, as I don't think it's a big enough issue to even discuss. Svampesky (talk) 12:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I meant to say a few days ago,, that this is a great attitude that will get you far here! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Captain sparrow199 (11:49, 1 June 2024)
Hey, I'm thinking of starting a project related to unicorn companies in India. Please share your valuable feedback

here is source https://www.forbesindia.com/article/explainers/unicorns-india-list/85309/1 --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 11:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Sounds like an interesting project, Captain sparrow199. I don't have feedback for you yet, but I do have some advice:
 * Be careful about selecting only reliable sources: check out for ones that have received lots of prior discussion, and reach out to WP:RSN if you're unsure about a source's reliability
 * List of unicorn startup companies is a good place to start
 * If you're considering creating new articles, read WP:NCORP carefully, especially the criteria for what sources count toward notability
 * Hope this helps! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Not single "List of Unicorn startup companies", I'm planning to start individual company pages Captain sparrow199 (talk) 11:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I assumed as much! I was suggesting starting with the list—since then the companies will at least have some coverage—and then branching out from there. Corporation articles are tough to write. Good luck! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:49, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ) sure, i'll start with list page. thank you so much
 * Captain sparrow199 (talk) 11:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Suspected Sockpuppet
Hello @Firefangledfeathers. I hope you are doing well. I am sure you know by now that user @35.141.142.199 has been consistently targeting me for errors that I have made months ago. A few days ago, a fresh account with zero edits created five hours ago at the time named @Proposer of Solutions pinged me on IP 35's talk pag e, claiming that I was "wrong", and that they are on IP 35's side. A day later, this account replied to your comment that told IP 35 to get therapy saying they have evidence that IP 35 is right, which was just IP 35's threatening message that he sent me. Today, this same account added a new topic on my talk page, demanding that I stop accusing IP 35 of personally attacking me, even though IP 35 is evidently bullying me and continues to despite knowing that this is not allowed and promising to stop. They later claim that the unconstructive good faith edits that I made are part of my "digital footprint" and that they will come back and bite me. This is just unacceptable. IP 35 is going out of their way to damage my public reputation and has resorted to making false claims, personally attacking me, and making an alternate account with an official looking name all just to humiliate me. Please do something to resolve these disputes. Thank you. ItsCheck (talk) 03:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi . The sock account has been blocked indefinitely and the IP temporarily. I am sorry that the soft approach I was pursuing was unsuccessful, and not blocking earlier meant continued harassment for you. Please ping if disruption continues. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from TriosLosDios (11:06, 5 June 2024)
Hello Firefangledfeathers. Good day to you my mentor.

I have a question and a favor. I hope you can HELP me. My questions is about editing or adding citations, sources or references (I'm confused which is which here); I need a wee bit more instruction or redirection with this subject.

OK, now for a much needed favor. I was practicing my very first ever "Practice Article" within sandbox and ... I'm NOT sure what happened. The 'Article' that I started in my sandbox is Re: Census of Scotland or 1891 Census of Scotland ... Is there any way you can see what went wrong or what happened ?

P.S. I started getting notifications within my practice Article about Templates & adding sources ... etc. As far as I'm aware I added a reference ... but to be honest the Template notification was a surprise 😮

Thanks, TriosLosDios --TriosLosDios (talk) 11:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Good day to you too, TriosLosDios. We use "sources" for all the books, news articles, academic papers, videos, tweets, etc. that we use to get encyclopedic info. When we summarize info from one of those sources, we need to inform the reader where that info came from. Generally, we recommend that you do so with a "citation", which usually shows up as a little superscript number after the text it supports, like this. The information about the source that you get to by clicking the number (e.g. author, publisher, date) is sometimes also called the "reference", and they generally show up in a section called "References". Sometimes, rather than placing an inline citation, one immediately adjacent to the text it supports, we add sources used to a list of general references. Readers will know that the sources in this list were used to build the article, but they won't know which bit of text corresponds with which source. I'd say the new culture here is to avoid that style, and it's not permitted in our highest-quality articles. I recommend reading Citing sources for guidance on how to add citations. Hope this is clear enough, and please let me know if you have clarifying questions.
 * It looks like you created two articles this morning (in mainspace, not in a sandbox): one called "Census of Scotland" and one (with a typo) called "Cesnsus of Scotland". The first was draftified by a new page reviewer and is now at Draft:Census of Scotland. The second was moved to the corrected "Census of Scotland" and then moved again so it's now at 1891 Census of Scotland. If
 * I think the templates you are referring to were Template:Refimprove and Template:Unreferenced. As the 1891 census article currently stands, the Refimprove template would be a good fit, but the Unreferenced template should probably be removed. More citations are needed, as we generally want articles to lean on more than just one source. Since you added the NRS source, it's not true that the article is entirely unreferenced. I'd recommend starting a talk page discussion and pinging the person who added that tag.
 * Also, I'm making some changes to the citation and reference section in that article. Hope you follow along. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (01:53, 7 June 2024)
I'm writing a piece for The Signpost about the deleted article Kalloor. Admins can see deleted pages, but I can't. Can you give me confirmation on the date the article was originally created, as there are two different sources which differ? If you reply in this thread, I can notify the copyeditors. Thanks. --Svampesky (talk) 01:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . The article was created on 31 August 2005. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That was quick! Thank you very much. Svampesky (talk) 02:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No problem! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Re: Restriction
I don't agree with your assessment, but I've deleted my comment. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The user who posed that rather strange question might bear watching. As to pronouns, it's whatever someone wants to use, and it's about politeness. If you watch Jeopardy!, there's a trans woman named Amy Schneider who prefers she, and there's a gay woman named Mattea Roach who prefers they. The host, Ken Jennings, when speaking of them in the third person, refers to them by their preferred pronouns. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I knew about Schneider, but Roach is new to me. No great surprise that Jennings handled it well. Thanks for the brief discussion, and thanks for erring on the side of caution. I'd prefer not to discuss this with you further, since my belief is that this sort of discussion is proscribed by your TBAN. I hope you understand, even if you disagree, and I'd be happy to talk to you about literally anything else! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You could just delete this entire conversation if you want. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * And it turns out my suspicions about that user were correct. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't have a good radar for that LTA yet! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't either, but there just seemed to be something "off" about his contribs. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from TriosLosDios (01:51, 8 June 2024)
Hello again my Amazing Mentor Firefangledfeathers. Again I have several questions for you. I am drafting a 'practice article' Re: Blackwater Heritage State Trail in my sandbox. My question here is am I doing the process of creating an article correctly this way ?

Also, can you look at my new draft maybe to see if I have followed your previous suggestions in an appropriate manner ?

I'm not completely lost here only beside myself trying to learn and implement a better writing skill and refreshing qualities I already know & enjoy. Thank you again for your mentorship. --TriosLosDios (talk) 01:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Looks like a good start! A few notes:
 * The draft/article will be much stronger if you can find more reliable sources. There's no rule against having just one, but a basic guideline is that three really good sources make for a solid article. I searched a bit and ran into an issue where most of the books I could find on it are travel guides or trail guides, which don't tend to be the most reliable or in-depth. I may have time soon for a newspapers.com search and I'll send stuff over if I find any.
 * Try your best to turn that one source into an inline citation, using the guidance at H:CITE or that series of edits I did on your other draft/article. Let me know if you run into any trouble.
 * The draft needs some copy edits, as all drafts do! If you find that the wordsmithing/grammar/spelling aren't your strong suits, you can ask for help from the Guild of Copy Editors. They only take requests for published articles, so this would have to wait until you're done drafting and the article is in mainspace.
 * You can make talk pages for userpace drafts, but chances are no one will see or respond to them. I wouldn't recommend it. The question you asked there is best answered by yourself, with some searching, or by the friendly folks at the WP:TEAHOUSE.
 * Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, again my cherished Mentor ! You are a fantastic guide for WP . TriosLosDios (talk) 09:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Aww, thanks TriosLosDios! I found at least one newspaper source. I've formatted the citation using Template:Cite news, and you can copy and paste the wikicode if you edit this page.
 * Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

re: Phillip Jeong article
After I composed Phillip Jeong article, I asked for copy editing at Teahouse. An editor left a Notability tag on the article, and I left a message on the Phillip Jeong talk page and the editor's talk page to address his questions; User talk:Theroadislong

Am I doing alright? Or do I need to do anything more? Rosuacamus (talk) 12:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . It looks like you're getting some constructive feedback, and I like your open-minded attitude! Instead of posting both at the article talk page and the user's talk page, I'd recommend just posting at the article talk and pinging the other user. It looks like the other user has already removed the notability tag. If you ever run into that issue again, I'd suggest pulling out the three strongest sources and pasting them into the article talk page. You'll want to explain how they're independent and reliable and how they contain significant coverage of the topic. Those terms are all defined at WP:GNG. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I thought I had read and understood the rules, but I guess not. I will use the talk page from now on. I do not want the articles I write to be filled with garbage and want them to undergo scrutiny. Thanks for responding so promptly! Have a good one. Rosuacamus (talk) 00:15, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Your article is not and never has been filled with garbage! There are a lot of rules here, and no one knows them all. Scrutiny from those who know a few more of the norms here is a good thing. It certainly helps me! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * What heartwarming words! This means a lot to me. I am not afraid of critical comments and welcome them. The discussion was actually fun and taught me a valuable lesson. I am rewriting the text to remove some of the tables. I will post a comment on the article talk page and ping it. Thank you so much! Rosuacamus (talk) 10:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Of course! Happy editing. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from TriosLosDios (20:18, 8 June 2024)
Hello, again my Mentor. Yes, I also reviewed a PNJ article related to this subject. For some reason I was never able to access pg # causing an (error code). I'm uncertain the proposed uses of inline citations or non inline citations. There must be different reasons whichever types are used/ referenced pertaining to context or content. This is maybe my issues Re: Blackwater Heritage State Trail 'article'. What am I missing here with what, how and when to use inline citations or in text citations or other ? And in what way or purpose are these applied ?

I appreciate your effort of encouragement as a mentor. --TriosLosDios (talk) 20:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)


 * There's more than one right way to do this, so please know that I'm oversimplifying while you get used to at least one method. Here's a step by step for what you have currently in your sandbox:
 * First, recognize the problem: you have urls for the sources right there in the body text. If the reader clicks them, they go right to the source. You have those same urls in the reference section, where you've added the citations. What we want to happen is that a reader finishes a sentence and clicks on the citation number. That click should take them to the reference section, where they can see the details about the source and click again to see the source if they want to.
 * Now we want to fix that problem. Instead of having the citation information in the reference section, we're going to put it right after the text it supports, replacing what's currently there. See what I did here?
 * Make sure that Template:Reflist is in the References section (it is). It collects all the citation information, no matter where it is in the article, and organizes it for the reader.
 * Can you try and do this with the second citation in the sandbox? I don't mind showing you another example, if you'd prefer that.
 * Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:26, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

You've got mail!
 Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 05:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the email, LilianaUwU. I think this is a "great minds think alike" situation. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 05:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Captain sparrow199 (12:42, 10 June 2024)
Hey Can you guide me in this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Vaidam_Health give your suggestion --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 12:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . Sorry to see one of your articles at AfD, but I hope you'll see it as a positive thing. Articles about businesses are tough, like I mentioned earlier, and it's good that we have a healthy amount of scrutiny. AfD is all about notability, so don't worry about cleaning up the article or anything like that. Focus on the best three sources. They might be in the article already, or you may want to search for more strong sources. Make a concise argument for how they meet all four criteria in WP:ORGCRIT.
 * You should also prepare for the possibility that the article will be deleted. Copy and save the wikitext somewhere offline. If new, stronger sources on the topic are published, you might recreate the article. Best practice would be to create it as a draft and let it be reviewed at WP:Articles for creation. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * you already told me earlier, but i tried to create and failed. can you check or is there is any way to check the sources trustfulness and is this possible, can you participate in this discussion and share your suggestions? Captain sparrow199 (talk) 14:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm here to help you out, but I won't get directly involved with the AfD. If you want to ask me about the reliability of one or two sources, feel free to copy them over here and I'll give you my thoughts. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * 1. https://web.archive.org/web/20240419194612/https://www.businesstoday.in/magazine/health-care/story/start-ups-are-disrupting-the-medical-tourism-space-heres-how-341811-2022-07-18
 * 2. https://www.dhakatribune.com/business/263461/visa-eases-access-to-medical-care-in-india-for
 * 3. https://web.archive.org/web/20240605111610/https://healinindia.gov.in/facilitator/vaidam-health-pvt-ltd
 * 4. https://web.archive.org/web/20240523080256/https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/health-it/ivey-business-school-publishes-case-study-on-vaidam-health/66935551 Captain sparrow199 (talk) 06:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Captain sparrow199. I'm doing the first three:
 * The content about Vaidam is not independent, since its based on an interview with a co-founder.
 * Some of the content is non-independent, but those middle two paragraphs are debatable. It's possible that's actual analysis/reporting from the paper. If so, it's enough to count as in-depth coverage
 * Not independent
 * Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So what should I do now? Should I join the debate, but I don't think it's enough and I tried to create Template:Source assessment table, but it's all manual because I have to choose the source whether it's independent or in-depth coverage Captain sparrow199 (talk) 13:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, the source assessment table still requires you to form your own opinion on whether the source is independent and in-depth. There's nothing that does so automatically. It's up to you whether you join in on the AfD. If you don't think you have a strong case for keeping it, it's ok to let it go and move on to other editing projects! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * sure thanks, better to move on to others projects and one think i want to share you, yesterday i moved this article into draft and did some changes and added in-dept sources then submitted through {{subst:submit} }, its reviewed by reviewer and moved to main-space by reviwer, due to AfD voting is not closed that's why still pending, and again added note of afd in article Captain sparrow199 (talk) 05:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ? Captain sparrow199 (talk) 17:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed this comment. If you're referring to the Vaidam article, it was moved back to mainspace because article shouldn't be draftified during an AfD. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

how to use Template:Source assess table to check the Source assessment --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 14:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I recommend using a script that makes it easier to create those tables. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

SPAs and AA
Hello there, I hope you are doing well. I wanted to ask two related questions. Would the Armenia-Azerbaijan extended confirm restriction cover this article and its AfD discussion? There is a particular user, who has created their account 6 minutes before commenting on there, and up to this point, all of their edits are to that AfD. This topic area receives the attention of a lot of sockpuppets, so I am extremely suspicious of this new account who closely follows the AfD, leaves walls of text repeating the same erratic arguments, and made no edits to any other page. However, due to the lack of connecting evidence, I have no clue whose sockpuppet this could be. WP:SPA suggests tagging single-purpose users, but I'm not sure what the best action would be in this case. Thank you, Aintabli (talk) 11:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * If that article or the AfD is connected to the AA general sanctions topic area, I can't yet see how. I would encourage you to tag the SPA, possible using Template:Spa. That feeling of being sure someone is a sock but having no idea which one is tough, been there before! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (18:11, 11 June 2024)
Probably an insignificant question. Have I violated any policy about advertising and spam with my comment on Wikipedia talk:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia saying which I'll shamelessly promote here: The lore of Kalloor? It was intended to be a light-hearted comment, but I can edit it out. -- Svampesky ( talk ) 18:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . No. Our policies/guidelines on spam and promotion are focused on off-Wiki interests. You are free to point editors toward your Signpost article, being bounded there mainly by common sense and some due modesty. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (19:05, 12 June 2024)
Hello. The article I created, Præsidenten fra Nordvest, has recently been reviewed and accepted. About the the title: should it be in English or Danish? For instance, Menus-Plaisirs – Les Troisgros retains its French title. My concern lies with the use of the character 'æ' in the title; however, Æthelred the Unready includes this character. What would be the most suitable approach, considering the film has never been officially released in English? -- Svampesky ( talk ) 19:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


 * If it hasn't seen an English release, and there isn't an English title firmly established by English-language sources, I think it would be better to leave it in Danish. See WP:NCFF. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (20:23, 12 June 2024)
On canvassing, I want to withdraw the AfD I ran, but I'm prevented from doing so by the singular delete !vote. It was made at a time where there wasn't any sources, but sources have been found. Is it canvassing if I drop this on the delete !voter's talk page?

I also have the non-admin AfD closure ready to publish  Svampesky  ( talk ) 20:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I'll ping into this (I hope you don't mind!) as she has closed all my other AfDs, so is active in this specific area of Wikipedia.  Svampesky  ( talk ) 22:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't be canvassing, since the person you're addressing is already involved in the discussion. We want discussion participants to engage with each other! I would suggest commenting at the AfD and pinging them, to keep the discussion in one place. If you do end up closing the discussion as withdrawn, I'd recommend the closing statement be just "speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn." Closing statements should as briefly as possible summarize the outcome and the reason why, and they shouldn't contain new information or analysis. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Captain sparrow199 (06:06, 13 June 2024)
Hey, sorry again i'm disturbing you, can you tell me, how to invite others contributors into draft for better article? --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 06:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * You're not disturbing me at all, Captain sparrow199! One of the best places to get support for a draft is from a related WikiProject. If you let me know which draft you're talking about, I can help tag the relevant ones. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (17:20, 15 June 2024)
I'm planning on contacting a Danish newspaper for a free copy of this article, for Præsidenten fra Nordvest. In the email I'll make clear the the sole purpose is to use it for Wikipedia. Is it within policy to do this, with regard to original research, COI, primary sources? Do I need to declare that I've done this somewhere like my userspace, perhaps User:Svampesky/Declarations? -- Svampesky ( talk ) 17:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * It's absolutely permissible to reach out to publications and authors to try and access materials. You don't need to note or declare that anywhere. If you ever have trouble accessing a source, the helpful folks are Resource exchange are always taking requests. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (17:32, 17 June 2024)
Hey. Making no reference to any active cases, could you clarify what ArbCom actually is? Additionally, what is the difference between ArbCom and ARBCA? Am I right in assuming ArbCom like the Supreme Court of Wikipedia? -- Svampesky ( talk ) 17:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * ArbCom, the committee itself, is a sort of "court of last resort" for conduct disputes on Wikipedia, and the Supreme Court comparison is a good one. Generally, we try and work out disagreements through normal discussion, escalating sometimes to a place like Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. If that still can't resolve conflicts, ArbCom can accept a case, collect evidence, and make a decision. Once ArbCom has published a final decision, editors can request clarification or amendment at WP:ARCA. ArbCom has some other functions, so I'm simplifying a bit. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment
I can see you've reverted the user you reverted on David Reimer before, however the seems to be misrepresenting sources on a number of articles:
 * here they misrepresented sources claiming prayer yields positive results.
 * here they misrepresented a source and deleted mention of Zucker, despite the original source saying "Susan Coates and Kenneth Zucker.
 * They did the same on another article here and then reverted me again for correcting it, again falsely claiming the source doesn't mention Zucker.

There is also some POV pushing, disputing credibility of RS, and inaccurate edit summaries:
 * here they removed large pieces of while mislabelling this as "added source".
 * here they changed a sentence to say the exact opposite, claiming a "book is not evidence", and replaced it with a primary source.
 * here they deleted a number of WP:RS reviews, claiming they were "unreliable sources" and mislabelled the edits.
 * here they deleted WP:RS sources claiming that economists cannot comment on this topic.

Zenomonoz (talk) 01:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I agree there's a problem, and it's also been bad at Detransition and Intelligence (journal). The Race & Intelligence and Gender & Sexuality topic areas seem to cover much of the disruption, so AE is an option. The lack of communication and unexplained reverting mean my hopes for improvement are low. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I engaged in good faith and explained the distinction between primary and secondary sources... but I see this user actually made an edit back in 2016 in which they: "Replaced primary sources with a secondary source". So they already know how it works. They then went and deleted secondary sources as a "primary source", after I explained that meta-analyses are secondary sources.


 * Looks like a WP:NOTHERE, who is intentionally trolling / disruptive?


 * Edit: oh, I see that in an early edit they removed RS content critical of Culture of Critique... it all makes sense now. Lol. Zenomonoz (talk) 00:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about intentional disruption, but their actions are effectively disruptive either way, and discussion/warnings don't appear to have helped. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (12:22, 18 June 2024)
My vote in the RfA was struck out because I am not "extended confirmed." I'm not sure what this means, but it said I needed 500 edits. I'm working on my next Signpost offline, so I moved a few things around with my work on WikiProject Orphanage. My aim to address the orphan backlog was already noted on my user page, do these edits count as "making unconstructive edits to raise your user access level", per WP:PGAME? Can I still participate in the RfA? -- Svampesky ( talk ) 12:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Pinging into this because of your reply to me on the RfA talk page. Am I all good to proceed with reinstating my !vote?  Svampesky  ( talk ) 13:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The rule is you have to be EC to vote. There's no analysis of how constructive your 500+ edits have been. You are entitled to vote now. My only question is a bit of a nit: should you literally reinstate your vote in place with a comment and updated timestamp, or should you just vote "again" in chronological order. Not sure there's a right or wrong way to do this - it's kinda new.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll copy it over with a new timestamp, leaving the old one struck out. It is not a valid !vote with that timestamp. Svampesky  ( talk ) 15:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you also check that the bot that counts the !votes hasn't counted my striked out !vote? Svampesky  ( talk ) 15:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The bot handled it correctly. Congrats on EC! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Svampesky  ( talk ) 15:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (15:28, 18 June 2024)
Another question related to RfA: How do editors find the percentages for the main/user/Wikipedia space contributions? Is it an admin tool or an extension that needs to be added in preferences? -- Svampesky ( talk ) 15:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's the edit count tool. This is what happens when I run it on you.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Is XTools third-party? If not, it looks to be a valuable dashboard that isn't spoken about in any welcome pack, nor any part of the Help: space. Do mentor questions get assessed to build the welcome packs, to ease the work from newbies all asking the same questions? Svampesky  ( talk ) 15:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It is third-party, though the package of tools it's part of is about as closely affiliated with, and vital to, Wikipedia as anything could possibly be. A link to the tool is present at the bottom of every user's contributions page. I think the goal of the welcome messages is to point new users to the most fundamental resources first, and I don't think the XTools edit counter is one of them, as great as it is. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (20:07, 18 June 2024)
Would I get blocked if I say someone's RfA !vote rationale is Total WP:BULLSHIT? -- Svampesky ( talk ) 20:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if you'd get blocked, but I highly recommend against it. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll turn off my computer and enjoy the rest of my evening then. Svampesky  ( talk ) 20:12, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Politicization of science
Hey FFF, wondering if you have an opinion on whether this category is workable. If not, do you know of someone here who could offer an informed opinion?

I'm not particularly knowledgeable about categories but it seems to me it will end up including either an arbitrary or a tendentious collection, since the number of articles which could arguable fall within its scope is so massive. I tried to engage with the category's creator on the talk page but haven't received a response.

Cheers, Generalrelative (talk) 23:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hey . One rough rubric I have for my time spent here is to avoid category disputes wherever possible. I sometimes get tempted, and it almost never works out. I often wonder if even 1% of our readers ever use the categories. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That sounds like very sane advice. Thank you :) Generalrelative (talk) 17:54, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Captain sparrow199 (12:38, 19 June 2024)
Hey hope you are doing well. Can you suggest me some bots to check pages issue or auto fix bots? --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 12:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The only bots I've ever used are, for automatically collecting reference info from urls, and , for creating/finding archive urls and adding them to references. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Ogonshoku (23:38, 20 June 2024)
Hello, firefangledfeathers. How do I find pages that need editing? --Ogonshoku (talk) 23:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Ogonshoku, and welcome to Wikipedia! It looks like you've already tried some of the newcomer tasks. If you'd like to keep going with that, you'll learn more about how things tend to work here. You can also focus on topics you're experienced with or passionate about. Maybe you want to join an editing even like WikiProject Reliability/June 2024 Drive? It's focused on resolving "citation needed" tags. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 23:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Closure of Talk:Israel and apartheid
Hello FFF. As a note, I've processed your closure request. Cheers! — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 17:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for closing! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:47, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (12:08, 27 June 2024)
Hello. I've noticed some tables where items are shaded in green with a checkmark for yes, and in red with a cross for no. I know how to do the "done" with the tick. Is there a place that lists all the available options? I need it for my userpage to track my article contributions. Thank you. -- Svampesky ( talk ) 12:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hiya Svampesky. I think you might be looking for Template:Table cell templates. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you. That's partially what I was looking for. Is there something for the article assessment classes? Svampesky  ( talk ) 12:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite as sure about this one. Template:Class will get you most of the way there, and the templates listed under See also may be better. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. Svampesky  ( talk ) 12:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (13:53, 27 June 2024)
The AfD I ran Articles for deletion/Ahmed Farah Dualeh was closed as "nomination was withdrawn". I initially requested to withdraw it, but then amended my !vote to merge it. It's not something that I feel strongly about. Can you have a look at it and see if everything was done properly? I'm not requesting that any action should be taken over it. Is the only issue is the closing rationale? I think the article would've been kept regardless. -- Svampesky ( talk ) 13:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I am unsure why the closer did what they did. First step here is to talk it out! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (17:12, 27 June 2024)
Hey. Apologies that I'm asking a lot of questions, I'm trying to avoid causing issues. Is it considered poor conduct to run an AfD with the opening, "I'm on the fence, what does everyone else think?" On one hand, it seems a good way to gather consensus, but on the other, it could seem disruptive. Are AfDs only meant to be run by someone who can provide good reasoning for the article to be deleted? -- Svampesky ( talk ) 17:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * No apology needed! I would say the culture here is to be reasonably sure that deletion is warranted before starting an AfD. If you're looking for thoughts on notability, you might ask at a related WikiProject or the Help desk. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (10:20, 28 June 2024)
Hey, I am in the final stages of my Signpost and am currently fact-checking everything. Is there a way to view a comprehensive log of all the titles a page has had, not just the requested moves, but every single move/title? -- Svampesky ( talk ) 10:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Svampesky, I use the script User:Nardog/MoveHistory. If you suspect your pages are affected by the limitations listed here, you may just need to comb through the page history and Ctrl-F "moved page". Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * How do I set it up? Is there a web page for it like XTools? Svampesky  ( talk ) 13:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If you don't already have the script installer gadget, go to your gadgets page and check the box for "Install scripts without having to manually edit JavaScript files", then save. You should then have a blue install button on the right side of the script page. Once it's installed, you go to the history of any page and you'll get a "Move history" option in one of your sidebars/toolbars/drop-downs. For me, it's on the left sidebar. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I got a warning about the code potentially being edited to contain malicious code. If it is edited with code to compromise an account, would that code go onto my account, or will it stay with the version I installed with? Svampesky  ( talk ) 13:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If someone edits the script, it will affect your version as well. The script is protected so that only its author and the interface administrators can change it. There's a risk, but it's low. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (12:38, 1 July 2024)
Hey. I'm treading with caution into article space, so I'll have more questions to avoid getting in too deep. Reading the policy/guidelines has been my first step, but I've been stuck over WP:NOTNEWS and WP:SIGCOV. To me, they seem to directly contradict each other. If an event is getting significant news coverage, should it be included on Wikipedia or not? -- Svampesky ( talk ) 12:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I have now seen that in your contributions that you've discussed NOTNEWS on the talk page about an extremely contentious topic. Would you like to respond over email, as my query is only a general one, and might not be reflective of specific contentious topics if taken out of context? Svampesky  ( talk ) 14:40, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I generally prefer to discuss things here, and I don't imagine this will get too sensitive. SIGCOV doesn't make any statement on whether topics or notable, but WP:GNG, the guideline it's part of, does say that topics with SIGCOV are presumed to be notable if they have the other four factors. The specific notability guideline WP:Notability (events) has narrower criteria for stand-alone articles about events; it's based in principle on NOTNEWS.
 * If an event is getting significant news coverage, that's a good sign that it should probably be mentioned somewhere on Wikipedia. Even if NEVENTS suggests that it shouldn't have a stand-alone article, it might fit in an article like 2023 in Finland or an article focused on the subject of the event. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (18:49, 3 July 2024)
I was about to ask about the RM initiated, as the notice was not on the article; the issue has now been resolved by the bot. I looked at your contributions to see if you were active. Was the pronoun remark made by the IP address a violation of WP:NPA? I could not find anything specific on the policy page. If the comment had been, for instance, "Black", it would clearly constitute a violation. This is a general query, and I'm not asking for any action to be taken. -- Svampesky ( talk ) 18:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * My gut tells me it was a personal attack, but I'm exercising my WP:AGF muscles. The remarks will either stop, continue, or intensify, and we'll go from there. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * My gut and everything listed here tells me that it was bad faith. Is there not a policy on clear instances of bad faith? Another example is that vandalism isn't treated as good faith. Maybe I need to train my AGF muscles a bit more, before I get hit with a "bad faith accusation of bad faith"... Svampesky  ( talk ) 19:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Lol. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Re: My Mistake on the Don't Say Gay bill link
My apologies for doing things a bit wrong with sourcing and such when making my changes recently to Transgender rights in the United States. I'll try and keep in mind what you ended up changing back and why for the future, and I admit that the operating factor here is a lack of knowledge of Wikipedia policy and procedure on my part. Nerdy314 (talk) 20:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hey ! No need to apologize. There are too many rules/guidelines/norms/quirks here to learn, so we all do our best and then watch what others fix up. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)