User talk:Firsfron/Archive 12

It's to its on FreeEMS page
Thanks for fixing that. I hate making embarrassing mistakes like that, most appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.41.191 (talk) 21:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Editing article talk page entry
Soakerphd (talk) 13:58, 22 May 2008 (UTC) Sorry for forgetting to use the four tildes when posting on an article's talk page. Is there a way to edit that? ... nevermind, figured it out by posting this message. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soakerphd (talk • contribs) 14:21, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: WP:DABS
I added support for GAs and FLs, and also think I've ironed out the missing FA bug. Just let me know if you find any other problems. east. 718 at 08:40, May 23, 2008

Thanks for fixing the typo...
...in my sandbox. Out of curiosity, how did you find it? Only 2 pages link there. Matthewedwards (talk· contribs· count· email) 03:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

cleanup of Killian
Hey Firs, just a silly error, but your correction in Killian documents altered a direct quotation of a cited reference. I agree with you and AWB that the wording is better your way, but obviously we can't change how it was said in the original. :) Cheers, Kaisershatner (talk) 13:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs
Hey thanks a lot. ScienceApe (talk) 03:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Its versus It's
Hi Firsfron - regarding your comment on my talk page. You're right about lack of consensus. After I submitted that edit summary I realized I wasn't sure my memory of there being consensus was right and...yep, there wasn't one. Apologies on that. However, I continue to believe that "Its" is *not* the correct usage in this instance (the character is "It", which I see as being a proper noun which just happens to be a homonym/graph/phone to the pronoun). So, while I do apologize for the revert without consensus - I won't do that again - I'd like to see the issue resolved to an actual point of consensus. I'll post my take on the article's talk page later today and perhaps between us and other editors, we can hash it out. Chaoticfluffy (talk) 18:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Conservation status 'fossil'
Hi Firsfron, I was wondering if there is any policy regarding having 'fossil' in the conservation status? On the article Redlichiina I removed it, but have met stiff opposition from two editors (see Talk:Redlichiina). Any recommendations? Should I just leave them to it, as its only one word. Cheers, Mark t young (talk) 21:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

ye olde rfa thank spam
hey firsfron, I just wanted to drop in and thank you for participating in my recent RFA. and just so you can be sure I took your suggestion under advisement, take a look at my in-depth RFA analysis (comments welcome). some templated thank spam is also available below. xenocidic (talk) 23:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC) templated rfa thank-spam 

I would like to thank the community for placing their trust in me during my recent request for adminship, which passed 72 13 2. Rest assured, I have read each comment thoroughly and will be addressing the various concerns raised as I step cautiously into my new role as janitor. In particular, I would like to thank Balloonman for putting so much time into reviewing my contributions and writing such a thoughtful nomination statement after knowing me for only a brief period of time (and for convincing me that I was ready to take up the mop now, rather than go through admin coaching).
 * Thank you for your support

To my fellow admins - please let me know right away if I ever take any mis-steps with my new tools. Should I make a mistake, and you reverse the action, I will not consider it to be wheel-warring (but please tell me so I can understand what I did wrong).

To everyone - please feel free to slap me around a bit if I ever lose sight of the core philosophy of Wikipedia as I understand it - the advancement of knowledge through the processes of mutual understanding and respect. As always, feel free to drop by my talk page if I can be of any assistance. =)

Sincerely,

~xenocidic, 01:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Cool tool
I asked Franamax to make a tool here, and this is what s/he came up with. Cool eh? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

COI...
Shall I do Pachycephalosaurus (I think I have only made a couple of edits to it) or do you want to wait for a unconnected person? Your call. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Fossil pictures
Hello there:

Thanks for your response. Am glad to hear that you like the pics and I agree that they are few freely available pictures of Chinese regional fossils online.

I haven't finished processing all of the pics I took while at the museum, so you might want to keep an eye on the section I have devoted to those images on Wikimedia Commons at: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Captmondo/gallery#Beijing_Museum_of_Natural_History_.28May_2008.29 (just pointing it out -- don't feel obligated). I can let you know of any updates to that section if you wish.

Am looking forward to the articles you create. Even if they are just stubs it's better than nothing at all.

Cheers! Captmondo (talk) 14:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The Turfanosuchus‎ article you have created looks good! And I am glad you like the pictures. They're from a "pro-sumer" grade camera, so the resolution is a notch or two higher than the usual images found on Wikimedia Commons.


 * Might to keep in mind possible inclusion for future articles of this type into the "Did you know?" feature.


 * Cheers! Captmondo (talk) 16:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Anna May Wong
Thank you very much, Firsfron. Obviously, I didn't do any of this article alone, but I am greedy enough to accept your congratulations. :-) I'm glad you enjoyed it, and glad that this first brush with FA turned out, eventually, for the good. Happy editing, and cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 03:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Anatotitan
Hi, Firs, I uploaded an image of two Anatotitan skeletons to Commons and simply named them "Anatotitan.jpg", without knowing that the fair use image in the article had the same name. This leads the fair use image to "override" the Commons image, which is kind of a problem... Could you use your admin powers to either rename the fair use image, or simply delete it (it isn't particularly useful since fair use is discouraged anyway)? FunkMonk (talk) 08:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey
Could you do me a favor and delete my userpage....I'm not really leaving, I'm just editing less and I'd like the thing gone. Thanks. --CFIF ☎ ⋐ 13:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Mark
Okay then, I will remove the template which says he will answer you on your talkpage as he has failed to do this. I will not be ignored! How the hell is consensus meant to be reached when people always sidetrack or ignore issues I raise! Cazique (talk) 06:54, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh-oh Firs, I think you may have stepped in something! Cazique has been annoying a number of editors for a week now and despite being blocked twice for edit-warring on the same article, refuses to desist their destructive behaviour. Just thought I'd give you a heads-up. Cheers, Secret Squïrrel  07:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC) - Thanks Firs. I allowed my mounting frustration to get the better of me. It was not helpful and I came back to fix it but you had beaten me to it. Cheers,  Secret Squïrrel  07:14, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Your behaviour is the only destructive one. My behaviour has all been to improve Wikipedia, your behaviour has been based on as you say me being an annoyance. You are editing based on the editor not the edits. So get off your high horse and realise you are wrong. Captilization per Wikiproject:Mammals which in itself is a redirect to Wikiproject:Birds does nothing for your argument and neither does the constant illogical defence using s and family. This issue is marsupial lion redirecting to Marsupial Lion, not marsupial lions or marsupial lion family redirecting to Marsupial Lion. Sigh, how I wish Owen himself could become involved in this as I know he would dispell any ignorance on the matter. Cazique (talk) 07:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Again I must reply to you as you choose to edit war. This is his page not yours so stop! And as for the it comment, go and look at User talk:T.carnifex, I was simply turning around what he said back on him. So what you just told me go and tell him! I agree it is no way to collaborate on Wikipedia and as you can see if you go to that page he has been acting this way for a long time now. Seriously I am the most patient editor out of everyone in this with the crap I have had to put up with. Cazique (talk) 07:51, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Firsfron: could you please review the ANI topic regarding Cazique, as well as his recent edits, including the one on this talk page, please? I need to get some sleep, but I think this requires some substantial admin attention. Tony Fox (arf!) 07:58, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I might as well respond here. It's clear Cazique just won't stop. I've blocked his account for 1 week (his fourth block). Firsfron of Ronchester  08:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey, thanks for looking after my talk page! I try and disentangle myself from a particularly nasty revert war, and not only do I get sucked back in, but I come back to see a revert war has taken place on my talk page and archive! I have no idea how it escalated to this. I'd never would have thought someone could revert war over where a capitalised version of a redirect goes.

I must admit that archiving so soon may have been seen a tad rude, but I had been civil and giving him advice, and there was no justification for his actions/comment to myself and other users such as The dark lord trombonator and Secretsquirrel.‎ As for his diatribe, other users have answered him numerous times, I didn't see the need to go over this all over again. That and I really don't want to be in the heart of a nasty edit war!

It's regretable that he is blocked yet again, but hopefully this time a week will give him enough time to calm down and decide how to interact with other users in a less combative way. Cheers again! Mark t young (talk) 08:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It was interesting seeing my talk page become a battleground! Having never been vandalised, it was, a novel experience.. I was wondering now that Cazique is blocked for a week, would it be okay to lower the protection status of Thylacoleonidae to semi-protect? Mark t young (talk) 09:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Admin
Hey Firs,

I wouldn't mind becoming an admin, if you think I have what it takes. Cheers for the kind thought, Mark t young (talk) 17:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Cheers for your kind words! If you wouldn't mind nominating me, it feels a tad presumptuous nominating myself. Best, Mark t young (talk) 18:08, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all your support and help! I'm going through the questions the now. Hopefully it'll be ready to rock soon-ish! Cheers, Mark t young (talk) 19:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Have a nice wiki-break, and thank you for all your support and encouragement! Best, Mark t young (talk) 16:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all your support though! There was a lot of good constructive criticism out of this, so I don't feel that it was a disaster or that. Who know, I could be successful after I've improved my edit summaries and noticeboard activities. Fingers crossed for next time! Mark t young (talk) 20:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

If I bring you flowers???
Will you follow me around? I need somebody to double check my spelling and grammar. I thought that the "it's" might be wrong. I new it was a contraction for "it is", but couldn't remember if it was also possessive of the "review": "...in it's review..."

Candy? ~ WikiDon (talk) 06:26, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Get any dust on ya? It has been "List's" since 2004. I have to resist editing other people's user pages all the time. I want to clean up their talk pages so bad! ~ WikiDon (talk) 06:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Paragraph breaks within blockquotes
Could you take more care with your bot not to remove HTML paragraph tags from within blockquotes? When a blockquote contains multiple paragraphs, you need these tags to keep the paragraphs separate. If you remove them, even if there are linefeeds between the paragraphs in the source, the paragraphs will end up concatinated when the wiki page is viewed. See, for instance, your recent changes to Nuwaubianism. -Moorlock (talk) 20:11, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

thank you
thanks for helping on the museum site, I am not the best at the minutiae. Bill 00:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

re: Uronautes
thanks for the compliment! it means alot coming from the admin who first welcomed me to wiki. Ryan shell (talk) 00:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering if I could have more details why my page was deleted
I noticed the A7 reason for deletion isn't very detailed. Did you have any certain criteria for why the article on Chrematizo Label Group was considered not important? --Westone86 (talk) 17:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Palaeontology
Hey Firsfron,

WikiProject Palaeontology is now up and running! The aim is to set up an umbrella project uniting Dinos, pterosaurs and sea monsters, alongside all the other palaeo article out there that aren't under a strict wikiproject.

Very ambitious, and could possibly step on the toes of WP dinos, so I was hoping for support, opinions and/or criticism from your good self! At first I wasn't keen on the idea, but I've came around to it as there are a large number of articles out there in dire need of work, and this would be an excellent way to bring in some collaborative editing. What do you think? Best, Mark t young (talk) 17:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

D'oh!
Re : My mi'stake - I'm fully aware of the difference between its and it's, but sometime's tho'se darned Greengrocers' apostrophe's creep in when you're not looking ;-) Keep up the good work! —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 07:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

categories
I am not removing categories at random, I am making changes very deliberately, whether manually or assisted by AWB. What I did was place the entire category Category:Ghost towns in Canada as a subcat of the 'settlements with fewer than 10 people' category. This makes the 'ghost towns category' for each article unnecessary since the article is already indirectly in the proper ghost category. Please trace the category tree to see what I mean. Thanks Hmains (talk) 04:05, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not making 'mass changes' and see no reason to revert them, as I read each article I changed and they are now appropriately categorized. If a place has more than 9 people, it is not a ghost town and is wrongly categorized if so done. Hmains (talk) 04:15, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I am surprised that anything should be categorized as a ghost town if has more than 0 people, though I suppose a few stragglers could be in the area--not really a town anymore. I see in Ghost town this is said to be a 'true ghost town', so this is what I know. Hmains (talk) 04:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Categories are 'sourced' by nothing more than the content of WP. You are confusing article with categories. My edits are just fine, thank you  Hmains (talk) 04:43, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Your topic in WikiProject Saskatchewan talk page about ghost town categories and the Saskatchewan ones in particular will now be re-directed to the WikiProject Saskatchewan Communities & Neighbourhoods talk page. Mr. C.C. (talk) 08:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, your comments made me think about why/what is the basis for having an article and category that deal with places having fewer than 10 residents. I wonder what is the basis for such a '10' number.  It may be totally arbitrary and the article and category might not survive a deletion discussion.  Your thoughts? Hmains (talk) 19:08, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I wonder what your problem is anyway? Do you claim ownership of these articles and do not like others changing them?  Sorry, anyone can edit any WP article without your or any other pre- or post-permission.  Read the rules.  In any case, your exaggerated rhetoric serves no purpose.  To help: which exact changes are you objecting to, since I did not even deal with 'hundreds of articles' involving ghost towns?  So deal in specific articles and why you think further changes need to be made.  Hmains (talk) 20:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmains, the problem is your edits, not Firsfron's concern about your edits. Hmains, I have expressed my displeasure with your position on categorization many times, and you seem to think you need to enforce your preferred categorization scheme on Wikipedia no matter who objects.  The fact is, editors have not not benefited from having articles buried beneath multiple subcategories, they have suffered.  And as it has been pointed out to you many times, categories are not used only for classification; they are also used for browsing and indexing, two important features your entire contribution history shows you have focused on removing without any consensus. Viriditas (talk) 08:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Invite To WikiProject Saskatchewan Communities & Neighbourhoods
I hereby invite you to join WikiProject Saskatchewan Communities & Neighbourhoods. If you have done any edits on Saskatchewan communites, RM's, native reserves, and neighbourhoods, we would like to have you on board as a member. Thanks. Mr. C.C. (talk) 08:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:DINO
I don't edit here much any more, although I'm still a frequent reader. Nice to know I'm missed, I might get back into it over the summer :) calr (talk) 23:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm taking a break...
I realize that you've been editing infrequently these days, but as you have been one of the editors with whom I have a good working relationship, I've decided to write this to you directly.

I'm taking a break from editing for a while. There's too much going on with me in this place that I need to regroup, enjoy the summer, and refocus. I feel that there is a lack of cohesiveness and willingness to share opinions and work together the way we should here, at least in certain areas. Right now, all of this is coming to a head for me, and I've decided to take a step back. I'm not sure when I'll return, but I will. Keep up the good work. ) Rollosmokes (talk) 17:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Enquiry on deletion of article
Hi, I recently posted an article on Business Continuity Management Institute but was deleted by you with reason being blatant advertising. Hence I would like to find out from you about which part of the article is in violation of the article contribution policy. This is as I do not know how could the article that portraits only factual information, includes its background, achievements, geographical distributions and a library of knowledge contribution in the subject domain of Business Continuity (BC) and Disaster Recovery (DR) be advertising? Your input would greatly help me in improving my article so that it will not be in violation of the contribution policy as I only wish to share what information I know to the web community. Thanks in advance and I hope to get your reply soon.

Michael ling (talk) 01:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou
Just want to say thankyou for your advice, happy editing to you as well. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 05:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the barnstar! I'll continue doing what I can for Wikipedia's dinosaur coverage. :) Abyssal leviathin (talk) 15:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

WEWS-TV
I reverted because I took it to be vandalism. If you think those changes were valid, you are free to reinstate them. I am not angry at Rollosmokes for anything other than his pointless and repeated disruptive activity. After a forced wikibreak that he's on now, maybe he'll be in better position to request reinstatement. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 15:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Those headings
...make it seem more readable to me. Then again I have attention deficit disorder, so... :P Abyssal leviathin (talk) 06:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Recent Events
It's all good. :) Abyssal leviathin (talk) 14:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Expect more edits in the future. :) Abyssal leviathin (talk) 14:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: KIVA
Thanks for the kind words! I've been kind of tired with the whole business of policing vandals, fending off deletionists, and trying to build policy consensus. Although necessary, that's not really what I came to Wikipedia for. I've been resisting the urge to join Rollosmokes on a wikibreak, and finally being able to work on an article of my own has been a refreshing change. I subscribed to NewspaperARCHIVE. It was a bit pricey, and not every paper is available, including recent Repugnants, but it's been a great resource for filling in sources for articles. I'm hoping to fill in the rest of the Yuma stations - The Yuma Daily Sun is one of the papers archived there - so this will help with my police burnout. dhett (talk • contribs) 22:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow! Do you think NewspaperArchive has archives of newspapers in Montana, North Dakota, or Nevada? I ask because I have been working for simply ages on this page, and am unable to finish it. Bergmann (2002) has a map of affiliates, but no call signs. Kennedy and King (1952) have a pre-UHF map, but it's a pre-UHF map, so it's missing many later sign-ons. How much is a subscription? Firsfron of Ronchester  00:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There are three subscription levels - 10-day pass ($29.95), month-to-month ($39.95 1st mth, $9.95 thereafter), or annual ($95.88). They are running a special on the annual membership through 7/15: $75.88.  When I bought the annual membership, I was also given a 7-day free trial that I could give to anyone.  If you wish, send me an e-mail, and I'll arrange to have you put on the 7-day trial.  Use my Wikipedia handle (all lowercase) at qwest-dot-net.  The interface is a little clunky at times, and because the papers are scanned, they don't always come out accurate for the search engine (El Centra instead of El Centro), but with a little work, you can unearth quite a bit of reliably-sourced information.  They claim to be adding pages all the time.


 * Four papers in Montana from the television era: Billings Gazette, Montana Standard (Butte), Helena Independent Record and The Daily Inter Lake (Kalispell), all through 1977. One from North Dakota: The Bismarck Tribune through 1956 (that would get you DuMont though).  Two from Nevada, both from Reno: Reno Evening Gazette/Nevada Evening Gazette (through 1977) and Nevada State Journal (through 1977).


 * On 6/1/53, there was an advertisement for DuMont Televisions in the Billings Gazette on page 5 stating: "ANNOUNCEMENT...A DuMont transmitter definitely will be operating...over Channel 2...IN BILLINGS THIS FALL tune in KOOK-TV Channel 2"
 * Another ad for DuMont Televisions in the 11/15/53 Billings Gazette, page 20, reads, "Welcome KOOK-TV...All-DuMont-Equipped VHF TV Station"
 * Images from Helena and Kalispell matching "DuMont Television Network" were unavailable.
 * Everything else matching was about the network in general. Searches on DuMont Television usually returned ads for the TV sets. dhett (talk • contribs) 04:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Addictive, n'est-ce pas? I've already been able to compile a good, sourced history of KSWT from its KBLU-TV days; too bad the archive ends 12/31/1977, a day before Chapman Television took over and eventually renamed the station KYEL. dhett (talk • contribs) 03:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

again, I'm afraid
This edit has sparked a discussion at my talkpage. As you were a voice requesting that R be permitted to edit again after I indef blocked the account, may I request that you use any influence that you have with the editor to request that they desist from reverting the CW aspect of that article - I would prefer that they withdraw from editing the article totally, but I realise that such a scenario is likely impossible. I am aware that on an admins board there was another sysop who said they would block if the matter arose again, so I am hoping that persuasion will allow R to continue editing for the present. In the meantime, I shall attempt to quell inflamed passions on my talkpage. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:16, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Quotation editing with AWB
Please don't use AWB to make changes to unresearched quotations, as you probably did at Indian Head test card (diff) '("it's" means "it is" or "it has", never "belonging to it")'. A quotation's lack of grammar can be significant in some cases, or not in others, but in general, automated changes to quotations should not be done. An exception might be well-known misquotations, but even those I would recommend flagging for manual quote research. In this particular case, the 1949 paper source (The Television Test Pattern | journal = Radio & Television News | volume = 41 | issue = 1 | pages = pp. 38–39, 135–136 | publisher = Ziff-Davis | date = January 1949) might be difficult to verify. You might consider asking the editor who entered it Swtpc6800 (04:31, 9 July 2008) (diff) to verify the original for whose error that was. (Please reply here if desired) Milo 01:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Milo,
 * I don't normally alter quotations at all, and this was a mistake, which I will rectify. [sic] is used to denote misspellings from the original source, and should be used to indicate that the misspelling is the original author's and not a subsequent editor's. In the case of a journal, one would hope the original journal's editor would spot spelling mistakes, but some can still leak through.  Firsfron of Ronchester  01:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Got a Question
I asked Kubigula this, but I think he is offline for the night....it's more of a clarification than a question: would "avoid editing the same pages as JPG" (as Kubigula said), be not editing any radio pages or just pages he frequents. I want to make sure I am clear on that before I begin editing so we are all on the same page. Thanks...NeutralHomer T:C 00:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I figured you were offline for the night so I asked Acroterion‎ and he answered my question. I, as always, welcome input, and you can post that on my talk page.  Take Care...NeutralHomer  T:C 01:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Serial hoaxer
Hi, Firs;

Do you think you could provide me with the recreator of Haxsasauras (the original creator was User:TheHumbleTomato), and the creator of Haxassauras? We've got a serial hoaxer with this article, and I'd like to prepare a Checkuser report. J. Spencer (talk) 00:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I found them through a back door (using an AlexBot list of new pages). J. Spencer (talk) 00:39, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Edmontosaurus
It's the same species, just with three different generic assignments. C.M. Sternberg named saskatchewanensis and assigned it to Thespesius. Thespesius, of course, always had and always will be based on crud, but hadrosaur taxonomy wasn't well known in the '20s (ironically because Cope and Marsh, in total contradiction of the rest of their careers, never gave their good hadrosaur specimens their own generic names), and researchers were still gamely trying to fit new specimens to old names. Lull and Wright in 1942 did what Cope and Marsh inexplicably did not do, and named Anatosaurus, incorporating several of the best specimens from the 1800s that had been stuck with Claosaurus or Diclonius or what have you. They transferred T. saskatchewanensis to Anatosaurus as an additional species. By the 1980s, Michael K. Brett-Surman came along and argued that Anatosaurus, except for A. copei and longiceps, belongs in Edmontosaurus, and everyone went along with it. Thus, what started as T. saskatchewanensis became Anatosaurus saskatchewanensis and then Edmontosaurus saskatechewanensis. There the story ends. Everyone treats it as a distinct species, but nobody ever explains why. Edmontosaurus could stand a good revision anyway, like Stegosaurus (which is why I haven't done anything with the Maidment et al. 2008 paper on stegosaurs except add Loricatosaurus; I'm not impressed with saying something is within the variation of Stegosaurus when the variation of Stegosaurus has to be evaluated).

Edmontosaurus would make a nice project, as I have a good chunk of material in my sandbox related to the taxonomic history, and I have a couple of good papers, including a 1920s monograph. The problem is I won't have access to my other materials for several weeks yet. J. Spencer (talk) 00:47, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, when I said "revision", I was thinking more along the lines of "some grad student needs to do a PhD on this topic and write a paper." I'm not trying to imply that we have a faulty Stegosaurus or Edmontosaurus article :), I'm just thinking in general of what the knowledge base needs. I do want to do Edmontosaurus before too long, though (and Corythosaurus, too, but I'm just a bit wary on that one since there is now preliminary information floating about that the male-female thing is actually species from different levels of the Dinosaur Park Formation). I'd like to do Brachylophosaurus as well, since it's been well-documented in the last five years, but that one is getting into COI territory.  You'll see what I mean in a few weeks to a couple of months, if all goes according to schedule. J. Spencer (talk) 02:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Close, except it was MS and not PhD work, and this will set some groundwork for the worms (currently in a holding pattern). With what me and my coauthors have, and the documentary coming Sept. 14 on Discovery, Leonardo the brachylophosaur will get to be the "mummy" hadrosaur of Fall 2008. J. Spencer (talk) 16:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you :) J. Spencer (talk) 16:21, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

My pleasure :) . After watching the movies of the motion a few times, I have to agree that there's got to be a lot moving in the skull to get Weishampelian mastication - it's a bit like Rube Goldberg crossed with a snake, and that's without taking the soft tissues into account. I don't know it if "couldn't" work, but it would make me take a long look at seeing if the lower jaw could be doing most of the hard work (given it's a lot fewer bones and it's well known already that the predentary is not really stuck on very tight). J. Spencer (talk) 21:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Good work!
Good work with AWB my friend! Tip: Try running RegExTypoFix as you go through - unless you're in bot mode. --mboverload @ 22:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

A "Video" Question
A friend (working on a page here) asked if Wikipedia accepts video files. I wasn't sure if we do or not (I know audio files are accepted). Does Wikipedia accept video files? Thanks....NeutralHomer T:C 01:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dude :) I think my friend went with pictures only (I uploaded them for her...she's new to Wiki), but I will pass the information along.  Take Care and Have a Great Week....NeutralHomer  T:C 03:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Albert
I dunno. You can break it up however you prefer. I'm not picky. :) Abyssal leviathin (talk) 04:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

COI
Hi,

Thanks for your email! I've left a note on the WP dino and Palaeo talk pages about the issue. Also noted which articles I put the citation on. Hopefully if anyone has a problem with it, they can re-edit it remove any issue. Cheers, Mark t young (talk) 08:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Dingbat2007 Sockpuppet
Hello....Dingbat2007 has another one of his Rebafan sockpuppets. I made several attempts to report it to AIV, but kept getting the "whys" and "How do these edits qualify as vandalism?". Soooo, I am giving up and I will leave this one up to you. I don't need to get in trouble trying to get a sockpuppet blocked. Take Care....NeutralHomer T:C 10:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I will send this to Kubigula‎ in case you are busy. - NeutralHomer T:C 10:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

K36HS
It was a Dingbat contrib, via his Rebafan12 & 11 accounts. I didn't think the information was confirmable and usually he writes so many articles with false histories and affliations I can't differentiate them. Apologies if I speedied something that was factual.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 06:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Massospondylus
I was working on that timeline of paleontology project that I never actually ended up finishing. ;) Abyssal leviathin (talk) 12:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

dinosaur FA reward
Hi, your dinosaur FA reward should link to "dinosaur genus" instead of "dinosaur genus". Just a thought. later! Ling.Nut (WP:3IAR) 02:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

List of crurotarsans
Hi Firs,

User:Abyssal is making serious changes to the List of crurotarsans‎, based upon those he put forward for the List of dinosaurs. As he was rejected for LoD, he hasn't made any attempt to consult the community about these changes. Mgiganteus1 as already reverted his actions, but he's carried on regardless. I've left a message on his talk page, but I was wondering if you could have a word with him too? Cheers, Mark t young (talk) 17:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, I read your comments at the list. My main concern is that there was extensive changes being made without asking what other people thought. I'd of prefered it if he'd made a user page and created the list there. That way other editors could have made any changes to improve it, prior to changing the article itself. I'd be more than happy to help with that, but some discussion beforehand would have been nice :) Mark t young (talk) 17:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I wish there were more images, but that's probably the only real problem I can find here. I hope you like this. Abyssal (talk) 08:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't want this on my talk page, but this is very cool, Abyssal. Firsfron of Ronchester  08:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehe, but it got your attention, didn't it? Abyssal (talk) 08:30, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that's true! :) I'd be willing to give this version a try, if we can get the other editors on board. If not, there's always your original proposal to break the LOC into phytosaurs, etc. Firsfron of Ronchester  08:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought Dracontes arguments against my proposal were valid, though. :/ Abyssal (talk) 08:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah. Maybe they were. Hard to say; I'm off to bed for now. Thanks again for all your hard work.  Firsfron of Ronchester  08:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't let the bedbugs bite. They'll make you itch. Abyssal (talk) 08:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

RE: Johnstown/Altoona/State College Market
Thanks! I had looked on Nielsen and a couple other sites and it only said "Johnstown/Altoona" that's why I was asking. You and Kubigula were not online, so I asked a couple other admins. Could you give me the link for the exact Nielsen list (if you have it) so I don't run into this problem again, please? Thanks again...NeutralHomer T:C 04:32, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * For some reason, my computer didn't come with Word, Excel or anything like that. It came with Windows, but no Windows products.  Well, I have WordPad and NotePad...but not Excel.  I haven't the slightest clue why. :( - NeutralHomer  T:C 04:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Neat, I thought it was more than that. That OpenOffice is free (free is better).  Thanks Dude!  Take Care...NeutralHomer  T:C 04:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

The Deceptive Lizard
Cheers F,

As thalattosuchians are a passion of mine I'd thought I'd pour my time into getting them into shape. Most are more ref-heavy than text-heavy, but hope to change that.

I'd be happy to help with Apatosaurus. Yeah, it'd be a task, but a worth while one I think. I noticed the Upchurch, Tomida & Barrett ref is missing from the article, big one as far as Apatosaurus is concerned.

Also, Eobrontosaurus. Upchurch et al. (2004) consider this to belong to Camarasaurus. Might be an idea to include that too. I'll get to work on it as soon as I've got time. Cheers, Mark t young (talk) 01:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting Stan
Thanks for supporting Stan in the battle over the inclusion of paleoart on Wikipedia! You can also support him with this userbox. :P

Abyssal (talk) 00:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, Stan is Apokryltaros. And yes, this whole thing is very very silly. Abyssal (talk) 01:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

LOL, what an image! Surely the cool raptors actually had spiky hair like that, no? --JayHenry (talk) 05:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course. They probably had ninja training too. Abyssal (talk) 13:46, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He does look rather ninja-like, now that you mention it... Firsfron of Ronchester  13:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Lesothosaurus image
Hi Firs, the image actually came up in discussion at another discussion board. Not sure how we missed this on review but the legs are clearly hyperextended to a ridiculous degree at the knee. Dinosaur knees (except the graviportal sauropods) couldn't straighten the knee (or ankle for that matter). The hands are also clearly pronated, a no-no for even basal ornithischians. Dinoguy2 (talk) 12:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow...
I'll admit that I considered my own knowledge of dinosaurs and other such prehistoric creatures as sufficient, if not good! But looking at that seemingly endless list of articles concerning such beasts truly stuns me! I can only assume you have edited even more articles conerning existing creature's pages. I was wondering, where did you learn all this? Are you involved with Paleontology yourself? Or are you just a bookworm/spend time reading these things on the net? A Prodigy Talk 21:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I thank you for your invitation. But I am not really sure whether I would be a suitable member, just scanning through the members list, everyone seems tenfold more knowledgeable than myself. The best thing I would be suited is cleaning up pages (typos, grammar mistakes and etc.), do you still think I should sign up? A Prodigy Talk  08:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

PTEN
I'm still wondering why you said that discussion established it wasn't a major network, when I couldn't find any such discussion. There was discussion about whether it counts as a network at all, but none of that discussion came to any conclusion about major versus minor status. You may claim that since it barely counted as one at all, it must be minor, but that would be your own conclusion not supported by consensus.

What does the reach of a television network (or programming service) in 1993 have to do with a different television network in 1950?

The point is that if you define a major network by reach or number of stations, it's a major network just by common sense, and therefore the next major network to shut down after DuMont. If "major" status is relevant at all, this is relevant. I would rather not put it in; I was trying to come to a compromise by pointing out that it's major by one definition but not by another, and that therefore PTEN may or may not be the next major network to shut down depending on what definition you use. Ken Arromdee (talk) 14:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair use image rename again
Hi, could you rename this image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dodo.jpg so it doesn't override the image of the same name on Commons? FunkMonk (talk) 22:20, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Image source problem with Image:DodoChaplet.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:DodoChaplet.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, their copyright should also be acknowledged.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 09:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Melesse (talk) 09:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not the original uploader of the image, which was originally at Image:Dodo.jpg. The image was moved to Image:DodoChaplet.jpg to allow the Commons image with the same name (an image of a dodo) to show through. Please do not send me templated messages. Firsfron of Ronchester  10:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Bone Wars
Thanks for your edits so far; I think I've got most of the citations and actual content down, but I will need help copyediting, and your help is greatly appreciated! :) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 12:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Madman Muntz
Thanks for your kind words! I'm glad folks are enjoying reading about him. He was kind of lost to time for a while, and I wanted people to know who he was and what kinds of contributions he made to several different areas. I just wish I could find more of his old commercials online! (they have one on Youtube and another one containing Oskar Fischinger animations that you can find by searching on google video.) Cheers. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 06:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Plesiosaur
Hey,

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I was wanting to clean the edit up. It was too 'bity' for my liking. Its taken me to just now to get round to re-writing it. See what you think of it. Mark t young (talk) 16:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah I know, I was planning on cleaning it up straight away, but got distracted and reverted it without going back and changing it! Luckily you messaged me! Mark t young (talk) 13:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Yet another fair use image rename
Hi again, I just uploaded an image of an Euparkeria skeleton to Commons, and yet again a fair use image with the same name overrides it. Could you change the name of this file? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Euparkeria.jpg FunkMonk (talk) 12:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you rename this one too? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mosasaurus.jpg Overrides an image of an actual fossil. FunkMonk (talk) 18:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Crurotarsan template
Cheers for your help with the template! I'm planning on unrolling it, hopefully it'll make a welcome addition! Mark t young (talk) 23:28, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

The Starbucks Experience
Hey there Firs :) I put up a page on Joseph Michelli's book "The Starbucks Experience" some months ago, but an administrator took it down because it seemed too much like some sort of covert advertisement or something (forgot to get his/her name and for some reason I can't find the message/advisory that told me what happened to the page). I'm not affiliated in any way with Dr. Michelli's company/ies and I put up that page just because I enjoyed the book. Would it be possible for me to modify the article and put it back up again?

Thanks heaps. :)

CharlieSierra (talk) 03:00, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

RE:Your message
I am sorry that you do not understand our non-free content policy found here: WP:NFCC. Any image must meet these requirements, for every use in every article. This is a foundation issue. I am an administrator and am required to enforce policy. Sorry you feel the way you do, but the image specifically fails WP:NFCC more blatant than I have ever seen. They need to be removed. That's just that. <font size="2px" color="teal"> « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @  '' 04:35, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologize, illegal probably wasn't adequately explained or was a poor choice. How bout "illegal in the sense that it goes against Foundation Core Issues, and against our WP:NFCC."  Now please stop arguing semantics with me and address the issue.  You can see my exact reason for removing the image by looking at my edit summary for any one of the removals of the image.  The reason is that it blatantly fails WP:NFCC.  Explain to me how I am wrong.  Also, when I started my semi-automated edits, they weren't controversial.  I immediately stopped when they began to be controversial.  Get over arguing stupid things and address the issue please. <font face="Harlow Solid Italic"><font size="2px" color="teal"> « Gonzo fan2007  (talk ♦ contribs) @  '' 04:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have already explained and apologized for how "ignorant" was interpretted before you started yelling about it. Obviously we all dont see ignorant in the same way.  I mean no offense by this, but I kindly ask you to stop posting messages on my talk page.  Your comments, in my view, have not helped the situation, nor have I enjoyed reading them and having to respond to them.  Please, if you must reply to me, do so on AN/I.  Of course, this is just a kind request, but I feel that if you continue posting on my talk page that things between us will escalate, which I dont want.  Also, I am not a newbie, just fyi.  Have a good night. <font face="Harlow Solid Italic"><font size="2px" color="teal"> « Gonzo fan2007  (talk ♦ contribs) @  '' 05:12, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

TBN Logo Question
Should one of us go back and revert all the changes made (to the affiliate pages and readd the FU-Rs) or just leave everything as is? - NeutralHomer  •  Talk  06:12, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I figured the reverts would be held off, but wanted to just check. I will readd the FU-Rs for the time being (in a moment).  If someone else wants to revert that, they can. -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  06:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I readded the FU-Rs on the logo itself. Hopefully that will keep everyone happy (in that aspect) til the discussion on ANI is over....hopefully. -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  06:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Firs, can you help me out at the bottom of the AN/I about the TBN logo. I have explained that individual TBN affiliates use the national TBN logo as the logo of those individual TBN affiliates about 20 times now and for some reason I can't get it through to anyone.


 * Plus, now it seems it is "bad" to have a logo on page or there has to be a set amount of information on the page before one can be added. - NeutralHomer  •  Talk  06:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You go to bed, thinking the discussion is over, get up, come back to Wikipedia and find it never ended and has grown double. At least people are talking and giving new ideas. :S -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  03:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Cites and such
Thanks for your support at Featured article candidates/Bone Wars. I'm afraid that while I'm a big dinosaur nut, I pale in comparison to the guys at WP:DINO (which is why I haven't actually gone at any real dinosaur article improvement and just tangental histories.) As for the citation method (I guess I just kinda made it up for Chicxulub Crater), what is the "standard" form you use? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 11:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank You
I am happy to see that another administrator is standing up to the image cabal. While I have tried to assume good faith about them in the past, the very aggressive and petulant way in which they try to force their interpretation on others leaves much to be desired. I especially love how they scream foundation resolution but miss the fundamental point that the only thing the resolution explicitly mandates is that each project is to create an EDP. What that EDP contains is the prerogative of the community of each project to determine. Obviously, the foundation can't micromanage Wikipedia directly without putting its service provider safe harbor status in questionable territory, so the image cabal trying to use the resolution as some sort of trump card is specious at best. I hope you, as well as others, will continue to speak up when the image cabal show extremism. They are very determined to use Wikipedia as a battleground to promote their so-called freedom. Stop by IfD on occasion to make sure they aren't bullying editors and to mix things up a bit. --Dragon695 (talk) 19:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Bay News 9 article - Vandalism Issues
I've noticed several users trying to vandalize the Bay News 9 article. Though mostly minor unessescary changes, it is becoming an annoyance. Whom would I contact for intervention should the vandalism get out of control? Wslupecki (talk) 17:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Rusty:
Hey Firs! I'm looking to get back up to full capacity, but I'm afraid I've forgotten almost everything ;P (Well a lot of the administrative side) so would be able to go over with me here a few of the basics again (links, basic nutshell stuff) like prodding, vandalism warnings, notice boards, speedy deletion, afd, etc etc. For example, I'm having trouble with this user, who is adding some good stuff to articles, but doing it in a completely wrong way. Since I've forgotten this side of things, I just warned him and placed a message with links on his talk. What else should I do, and what would've been the best route? Sorry to ask for so much - I'm working on articles for now, so feel free to take your time. Thanks Firs - what have you been up to? I see WPDINO has slowed down a bit... Spawn Man (talk) 05:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Spine-oh-sore-us
Replied to you on my page, and made one edit to the article to illustrate a suggestion for your group: See Template:M_to_ft, and see how much easier it would make your writing and editing, as well as auto-complying with other MOS guidelines, like having the same level of precision in both. (No decimal in meters, no decimal in feet, unless the error would be significant, e. g. converting 1 ft to 1 meter is a 200+% error.) Will look at others from time to time, but this one change would correct a lot of style issues, save a lot of links, etc. Regards, Unimaginative Username (talk) 04:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Massospondylus
Seen this on the front page and knew it was your department! Congrats on the FA :) - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer •  Talk  • <font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;">Work  • October 8, 2008 @ 03:48
 * Saw this on the front page and knew that it looked familiar from... somewhere. Congrats! -- and pass it on to J. Spencer, Sheep81, etc.
 * p.s.: Drop me a note when the templatification, etc. of Spinowhatever is complete. Still very hectic on this end, but TFA was a nice incentive to get back with the dyn-amic dyn-asty. Cheers, Unimaginative Username (talk) 08:33, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Your help on this article was really great. Templatification of Spinosaurus is at a standstill until I can get a little less busy myself, but I'll complete it in a few days, I imagine. Firsfron of Ronchester 12:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't hurry on my account :-) I think things are kind of hectic globally at the moment, judging by the news. Ahh, for the quieter, simpler times, like the late Jurassic... Unimaginative Username (talk) 02:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

An E-Mail
You gots one! - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer •  Talk  • October 14, 2008 @ 08:43

Wikipedia is not a Movie, Book or TV Guide
Should Wikipedia become a one stop Movie, Book or TV Guide?

Please make your views known at WT:NOT. --Gavin Collins (talk) 10:23, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Your unblockee...
...is back at ANI again. —Wknight94 (talk) 11:37, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Boo.
And don't you really think it's time to archive your talk page? --AmusedRepose (talk) 13:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)