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Articles for deletion/Abhinav Education Society's College of Pharmacy ( B.Pharm.)A/P Narhe, Pune 411041
Hi, I was very surprised at this close. The grounds for deletion; the spam content and the the awkward title, have both been fixed and other than that the discussion was balanced. Will you please explain your reasoning. TerriersFan (talk) 17:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello Neil, I do not think your close of this AfD represented consensus. I would like the matter reconsidered. Would you like a day or so to look it over, or would you recommend I submit a DRV right away? Please reply at my talk page, as I am not watching yours. Thanks, Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 01:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Gosh; certainly I think I'd like to hear Neil's reasoning first as it is always better to reach agreement outside DRV if possible. TerriersFan (talk) 02:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I am not trying to rush the matter to DRV.  I asked for Neil to reconsider the matter, or if he does not want to, to advise accordingly. Jerry  talk ¤ count/logs 16:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * (two threads merged). It was 3-2 in favour to delete, so well within discretion to close as a "delete", as there was a marginal consensus in favour of deletion.  The article was very advertising-y, and had no substantive reliable sources. (nb to self - article was moved to College of Pharmacy (Pune) prior to deletion). I don't think the content as it stands would support an article.  I would be happy to userfy the content if one of you would like to try and bring it up to scratch - if so, let me know. Neıl  ☎  09:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Parka (band) article...
Hey, I was wondering if there is any way to recover the text of said article so I can edit it and bring it up to standards? I talked to the person who marked it for deletion and they explained to me where I went wrong in sourcing it, etc, and I was wondering if there was a way to recover it... I thought I'd ask you, since you're the dude who actually deleted it. :)

Wannabe rockstar (talk) 02:14, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes - I have userfied it to User:Wannabe rockstar/Parka (band) (your "userspace"). You can bring it up to standards (use WP:BAND as a guideline for what is needed) and then move it back into articlespace. Hope that is helpful! Neıl ☎  09:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Note
Hi,

This is regarding this note from you, here is the link for checkuser results, main concern of these people is I give my account to different people for editing diff' article, funny it may sound, but this is what they feel, kindly read this  note from one of the member of the group i am attempting to start the article on. This surprises me!! Kindly note User:Marathi_mulgaa uses such terms quite frequently, as here. Sfactes is blocked for something similar i.e sock puppet. :). Their problem is i add references which expose these groups, and hence they are so much against me... I will not be surpised if we find User:Reneeholle also commenting here.. this user also followes me everywhere i go. --talk-to-me! (talk) 12:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The checkuser does not confirm any sockpuppetry, so I have removed the sockpuppet tag from your userpage. Please do not start removing others comments if they accuse you of being a sockpuppet of a banned user, as this will inflame the situation - instead, please let me know. Neıl  ☎  13:08, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * For sure... Thanks for your efforts. :)--talk-to-me! (talk) 13:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Neil, The sock puppet case is still active. The checkuser came back as "stale," not as "unrelated" or "not a sock." But, the the sock case is about abusive editing over a few identities.  Please see this.  Thanks, Renee Renee (talk) 16:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Renee dear... first of, welcome again :), did you missed the first note from Neil at ANI ? --talk-to-me! (talk) 18:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * If you wish to have a conversation with another user, please carry it out on Renee's talk page, rather than mine - I get unfeasibly excited when I see my glorious orange message bar cascade enticingly into view, and heartbroken when I realise the missive is, alas, not for my eyes. Neıl ☎  19:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The Ring magazine Top 10 P4P
I put Calzaghe past Hopkins on place four because he won against him and took the Ring Mag's light heavyweight belt from him, but if the Ring Mag lists him as their champ in LHW, SMW or both, and if he's even gonna be 3rd or 2nd, we'll only see tomorrow when the new online ratings come out. BTW, why can't he be the Ring's champ in two weight divisions? I can't remember such a case, but I also think he can't, but let's wait until the new ratings come out (Tuesday), then we'll see. I only know you can be champ in two different weight classes of, let's say, the WBC, but the Ring? Dunno. Plus, Calzaghe himself said he didn't know yet in which division he would be fighting in in the future. So... Greetings, claudevsq (talk) 13:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for semi-protecting the list of current world boxing champions. But you can't deny that Calzaghe's record is 45-0 after his win over Hopkins... ;-) Nevermind. Greetings, claudevsq (talk) 14:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and as he took the Ring's belt from Hopkins, because you said he couldn't have two, I wrote "vacant" to the Ring's belt in supermiddleweight. Because one thing is for sure: They fought at Light-heavy for Bernard's ring belt, and Joe won it. If you say he can only have one, than he doesn't have the SMW one anymore. Thanks. claudevsq (talk) 14:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, I REVERTED ALL MY EDITS, I WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW. POINT. claudevsq (talk) 14:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Just one more point: Junior welterweight and super lightweight is exactly the same weight class. The different sanctioning bodies as well as The Ring mag have up to three different names for one weight class. There's a separate List with all the names. Greetings, claudevsq (talk) 15:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject User Page Help/Trading Spaces:Renovatee
Hello, I noticed your request here and I decided to renovate your page. What do you need help with? Also, you may see my userpage design here, which I designed myself.-- RyRy5 ( talk ) 01:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Ring policy
Neil, you are wrong about Ring's ranking policy. I'm not sure where you got the idea that Ring never ranks fighters in two weight classes, but it certainly does. Calzaghe clearly won the LH title in the fight with Hopkins. Rafael reports it and Buffer announced it. There is no dispute to that. What weight class he stays at is open to dispute, but it's clear that he won the LH champioship. You have absolutely no grounds to say otherwise.MKil (talk) 15:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)MKil
 * Well, turns out you were right, but The Ring's own policy says it strips a champion when they change weight class. Neıl ☎  17:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you provide evidence from ring, they keep the title until a particular boxer wins new title or resigns, technically he is champion until a new champion is proclaimed.

Calzaghe
You see that one can have two Ring belts? So, I wasn't that wrong... lol Have a nice day, and thanks for your collaboration! (Doesn't need a reply.) claudevsq (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Remember, if a Ring magazien says you are their champion that means that fighter is the undisputed champion, calzaghe article missing that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.26.69.6 (talk) 19:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Aliza Shvarts
Yo Neil, can you userfy this for me so I might be able to work on an article covering the event instead of the individual? I feel this might satisfy consensus on the BLP1E issue. Regards, Skomorokh  12:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate it. Skomorokh  12:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Brahma Kumaris - critical sites
Hi there - I'm reposting the message I left on the above article's discussion board, in case you don't see it. Please feel free to respond on the discussion page itself if you prefer, thanks:

Each of the links you talk about goes to a page that is critical of the BKs - in both senses of the term. It is surely irrelevant what else is on those sites if the *actual* page being linked to is the one that is at issue and being referred to (eg the article hosted on the Rick Ross website)? Am I missing something here? But anyway - I appreciate you dropping by and making the change. I'd be interested in your thoughts on the actual sites in question - do they all deserve to be linked to? I have my own thoughts on this, which are a little irrelevant due to by inherent bias, but would be interested to hear what you have to say (and orderinchaos for that matter). Appledell (talk) 17:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * They all seem quite relevant, so yes, they should be linked to. I would still suggest "Critical sites" is not needed, and "Other sites" is more neutral (allow the reader to make up their own minds). Neıl ☎  09:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Suvalkai Region
You've closed this discussion as NC. Yet I'd like to point out that Wiki is not a democracy, and votes supporting a position for keeping an unreferenced POV fork should not influence the decision making (the voting was 10:7 for merge, in any case). At the very least, I'd like to ask for relisting for further discussion, as currently the votes are very divided among ethnic lines, and no neutral editors have yet voiced their opinion.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I am sorry that you didn't get the decision you wanted, but there was no consensus to do anything, and I doubt relisting would change that. "Votes supporting an unreferenced POV fork" - well, that's your opinion; the people who voted to keep would no doubt differ. If you really want to relist it, go ahead, but you'll be wasting your time. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  09:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Central Europe talk page
Hi Neil, you offered help on your userpage when Britannica is needed. Do they have an article on Central Europe? What is their definition? Squash Racket (talk) 18:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, an editor already clarified that. Squash Racket (talk) 19:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Argh, too quick for me. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  09:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, a confirmation wouldn't hurt. Squash Racket (talk) 09:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No article on Central Europe. The articles on Romania and Croatia list them as being on the Balkan Peninsula, rather than "Eastern Europe" or "Central Europe".  It does, however, state in the "Balkans" article that the Balkan Peninsula is the easternmost of the three great southern peninsulas of Europe, and mentions it as being in Eastern Europe. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  10:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Is there a category/board for users who can help with Britannica? Perhaps I will have some questions in the future and it's not so disturbing if I can ask more than one person. Squash Racket (talk) 10:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not that I know of, I'm afraid. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  10:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Reply
I'll see what I can do. But I rememeber, there are many, many wikipedians here and one of them is bound to have the same userpage design, but I'll see what I can do. And about the reward, I don't really care much for CD's and DVD's. But if you think I should, you could approve me rollback. If you think I need rollback now, then I'll think of something else. Deal?-- RyRy5 ( talk ) 00:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll approve anyone rollback. Done. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  09:07, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I understand. Last time, I didn't know that. Anyway, it may take me a few days, but feel free to visit my User:RyRy5/Sandbox to see how it's doing. It's going to be a lot of coding to do.-- RyRy5 ( talk ) 23:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I will soon start on the remodeling now. Also, I think a barnstar or two should cover the CD and DVD when I'm done. I don't know what can replace a CD or DVD being sent to me but I don't really want one. Any last suggestions on the remodeling?-- RyRy5 ( talk ) 15:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, I just want it to be incredible and unique. Use your imagination.  If you really don't want the CD or DVD, that's fine.  I'll look when it's finished, be warned if I don't love it I won't use it (I don't like people doing hard work and then saying it wasn't good enough, but I've decided I don't care - I want the best userpage ever). <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  15:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You must be desperate, wanting the best userpage ever. But, I will try my best (even harder now that you said). I will ask you to take a peek on how it is doing if I feel like I need your opinion on something.-- RyRy5 ( talk ) 15:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abhinav Education Society's College of Pharmacy ( B.Pharm.)A/P Narhe, Pune 411041 - (2)
Hi, I have developed the page somewhat at User:TerriersFan/College of Pharmacy (Pune). It is hardly going to be a FA but User:Jerry has agreed that it is now sufficiently different not to be a G4. Are you cool with my moving it back to mainspace, please? TerriersFan (talk) 02:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it looks much better now. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  08:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

User:RyRy5/Sandbox2
How do you like it so far?-- RyRy5 ( talk ) 20:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't live in the USA. I don't want to sound ungrateful, but this looks quite familiar ... <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  15:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

RyRy5's rollback taken away
Neil, I took away RyRy5's rollback again because he used it for not obvious vandalism (see this edit). When he was talked to, he even admitted it wasn't vandalism which is why he never left the IP who put the link in a warning of any kind. The fact that he knew it wasn't vandalism, yet used the rollback anyway, led to it being taken away. Metros (talk) 22:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikitrout
This is for this and this. I really respect you as an admin, but after seeing his initial assignment as part of his adoption, I was convinced he wasn't ready for it. So, hopefully a large trout will help. Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 23:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, yes, because the trout is awesome, and no, because I don't consider rollback to be a big deal and will give it to pretty much anyone who asks in good faith. Once he misused it again, though, of course it was appropriate to remove it. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  07:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright then. He's making some progress in his adoption. Rollback may be no big deal, merely the AN, ANI threads on him and the multiple admins that refused to give it to him, but, all is good. Cheers, Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 07:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't look at AN or ANI or other admins comments about it, I just activated it because he asked nicely and he seemed (and he is) a good faith editor. I'll probably still do that for other users. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  08:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

 * That's what I'm talking about. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  08:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Aliza_Shvarts
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Aliza_Shvarts. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Avillia (Avillia me!) 12:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Dean of Llandaff
Thank you for your co-operationClive Sweeting

GTA IV violence
I am attempting to build consensus about the "Pre-launch violence" section in the Grand Theft Auto IV article. Please feel free to contribute to the discussion -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 10:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There's already consensus that the section is useless. But okay. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  10:18, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've asked a neutral, third-party administrator to have a look at the discussion. -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 10:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion_review
"If it isn't relisted within a week's time, any admin may speedily (re-)delete" - say what? "If nobody sends it to AFD it can be speedily deleted"? Absolutely not. The four comments to the DRV (apart from the article creator asking for recreation) were "viable little stub" (me), "restore" (DGG), "overturn and list at AFD" (LtPowers) and "merge" (Carlossuarez46). How did you get "if nobody AFDs this in a week it can be speedily deleted" from that? I would be grateful if you would consider revisiting your closing commentary here. Thanks. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  17:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what needs clarifying. As you note, there were several suggestions as to how this could be dealt with.
 * Essentially, the closure (as posted) was: Relist at AfD so that these could be discussed. If it doesn't get relisted, as per this closure, then, after a week, someone may speedily delete it.
 * That seemed straight-forward to me. What further would you like clarified? - jc37 17:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, no, I don't need the conditions explaining to me - rather, the logic by which you arrived at them. I'm baffled how you concluded a speedy deletion would be appropriate, when you consider 3 of the 5 participants wanted it to continue to exist, 1 said restore but send to AFD and 1 said merge it. "Not being AFD'd" is not a criteria for speedy deletion. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  19:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not what I wrote.
 * Essentially, the previous "state" prior to DRV was deleted. If none of those arguing for its restoration can be bothered to nominate it for further discussion at AfD, then it should be restored to its pre-DRV state: deleted. It only currently exists in a non-deleted state because you restored it for the duration of the DRV. "Technically", as closer, I suppose I could have/should have re-deleted it since the DRV was closed, and the temporary restoration rationale had ended. But allowing those in the afd to see the current state of the article seemed fair enough, to me. So I was extending your restoration rationale to be "at least the duration of the new AfD". But I suppose that's just being technical.
 * All the rhetoric aside, is there some reason you're expending all this text questioning me rather than just listing it at AfD and making this discussion moot? - jc37 19:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm questioning you because your logic is baffling. Why would I AFD an article I don't think should be deleted?  What purpose would that serve?  If you want the article to go to AFD, you send it to AFD.  If it does not go to AFD, then it can continue to exist, as it meets none of the current speedy deletion criteria. The DRV conclusion was for it to exist - you seem to have missed/ignored that.  Whether its pre-DRV state was "deleted" or not-deleted" is irrelevant. And please stop moving this discussion about your actions to my talk page - it's confusing. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  19:39, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "...this discussion about your actions..." - You'll please understand if I feel that that colours your comments a bit.
 * "The DRV conclusion was for it to exist - you seem to have missed/ignored that." - So essentially, this is not actually a request for clarification, this is about you disputing the closure. I'm not certain I understand why you don't want to discuss the various options further with other editors at Afd, but be that as it may, since it's now clear that you're not looking for clarification, but that you're merely disputing the close, I don't see what else further there is to discuss.
 * Feel free to remove this discussion from your talk page, if that is your norm. I'm fairly assured that you have read it/are aware of it. I hope you have a good day. - jc37 20:15, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What a charmer you are. How very dare I question your judgement!! Again, why would I submit an article to AFD if it ought not be deleted?  Pointless process-wonkery. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  21:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

DRV judgement
Hi Jc37. As there doesn't really seem to be a "deletion review review", I have queried your closure of the Dean of Llandaff DRV here. I thought I should inform you. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  21:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the notice.
 * I had already intended to discuss this with one (or more) of the DRV regular closers, but perhaps the DRV talk page will do. Thanks again. - jc37 21:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

DC Comics Martial Artists
I saw that you closed the deletion discussion, but I was hoping you could provide some insight has to the ultimate decision of keep. Further insight would be helpful for me as we look to improve the quality of the article. -Sharp962 (talk) 20:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC).
 * The consensus on the AFD discussion was to keep the article - more people said that than anything else, and gave some good reasons. That's pretty much how it's judged.  It's not really my job to decide how to edit the article in future. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  21:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response and the insight into how you came to your decision, I appreciate it. -Sharp962 (talk) 21:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC).
 * Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Good luck with the article. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  21:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

re:your comment on my talk page
Thanks; I actually read your talk page header before I posted my spam. (angelic smile) There were a couple of "special handling requests" on user talk pages regarding RFA thanks; yours was one, and I followed the requests of the relevant editors.

BTW, I posted a response to your comment at Requests for arbitration; you probably missed it, since it was eight days after yours, and got buried in the flurry of activity on that page. Short story: jpgordon's remark, which you noted as possibly incivil, turned out to be remarkably prophetic.  Horologium  (talk) 00:49, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Active list
That's really weird, and I have absolutely no idea how that happened. Apologies anyway *walks away scratching head in confusion*  Black Kite  01:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Serbian
Is there actually a reliable source that specifies the ethnicity of Niko Bellic. JACO PLANE  &bull; 2008-05-6 11:02
 * Yes. The game, for one. Plus there's a bunch of secondary sources on the GTA IV talk page. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  16:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Pardon Me
I had copied a page onto my userspace to work on it. This was recently deleted. I don't understand why. Jack Cain (talk) 10:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Update. You said "If you would like to work on the article, you can do so in article space. If it is deleted (I understand it is on AFD at the moment), please contact myself or any other admin and ask for the page to be "userfied" - we can restore it, move it (with the history) into your userspace, and then you can work on it in userspace". I would like to do this very much and will do what is neccissary for it. Jack Cain (talk) 10:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. I think it's time to just give up the ghost. You'll put a copy of the page back on my Userspace and then that's that, right? Jack Cain (talk) 14:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Abdera Archaeological Museum
Please don't worry about tagging for notability. They will all be expanded later. Blofeld of SPECTRE Talk 12:29, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Pheo-Con
Since you closed the AFD, I thought that you would find this bit of libel on the humorous side. --Farix (Talk) 21:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh - well, if the article is recreated inline with the various policies, then more power to them. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  10:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Han Chinese
The anon in question has been using Tor (e.g. ) over a period of months to disrupt that talk page and make it look like his racist (e.g. ) fringe positions have some wide support. He continuously pastes his long, unsourced rants onto the talk page and makes frivolous threats of deleting or otherwise disrupting the article. User:Benjwong's comment that this guy needs to be ignored is perfectly appropriate guidance for anyone else stumbling across the mess that the anon is turning that talk page into (given that we already had one well-meaning regular editor trying to be helpful and making a procedural nomination for deletion based on the anon's comments; see Articles for deletion/Han Chinese). cab (talk) 11:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

about Powersoccer
Its a game with 3 million registred users, and 150.000 active, isnt that notable enough? Regards /Thorbjörn
 * The article would need references for that. Are there any? <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  09:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Broadmoor (album) deletion
Hallo! There was a dicussion on Articles for deletion/Broadmoor (album). The album was deleted because of WP:MUSIC - it has been told that "this album and its constituent songs never charted, therefore this album is not notable". But as one user on Articles for deletion/Broadmoor (album) correctly said that "nothing in WP:MUSIC indicates that an album must appear on a chart." - and he did not get a response. According to WP:MUSIC (which is the only section that can be applicated to Broadmoor (album)), the article is notable (as I also said in the discussion). Do you have an explanation why the article was deleted?--  LYKANTROP   21:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I went by the sum of the discussion on the AFD. If you are unhappy with the closure, then Deletion review is the place to go. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  18:18, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

AfD on Navneet Singh Khadian
Respected Sir, You have closed this discussion with sudden deletion of this article. I would like to point that Wiki is not a democracy where you count votes to make a final decision ( 3 Votes - Delete, 2 Votes - Keep and 1 Vote advocating merger). This article was related to Chief of Khalistan Liberation Force having 20 NPOV references. Some Indians (who call this guy a terrorist) will keep hating this personality. 2 out of three "Delete" votes should be considered as in-eligible because of their NPOV opinions/voting. See Vivin and 202.54.176.51. Also, voter of last "Delete" vote did not have any further questions/objections once I answered his objection to this article.

Sir, I request you to reconsider your decision otherwise it will be equivalent to murdering the history as desired by pro-Indian NPOV elements. Also, Please note that wikipedia has also decided to Keep another similar article of chief of parallel militant organization, involved in same Khalistan movement, fighting for exactly same cause.

Or! At the very least, I'd like to ask for relisting for further discussion, so that more neutral editors could enter their opinion. Singh6 (talk) 06:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I went by the sum of the discussion on the AFD. If you are unhappy with the closure, then Deletion review is the place to go. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  18:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of arcticle Christina Pluhar
You deleted the mentioned article because of some "unimportance". I must say that this Person is a quite famous artist of the Early Music scene, what was the reason why i creeated the article. I would ask you to reconsider your deletion. I know that not much content in the article indicated its importance, but it was just started.

--RScheiber (talk) 20:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * All the article said was:


 * Christina Pluhar (born in 1965) is an Austrian early music guitarist, lutenist and harpist.


 * She leads the group L'Arpeggiata and teaches at Universität für Musik und darstellende Kunst Graz.


 * If you would like to recreate it, fine, but please make sure that the article meets the requirements of out notability policy. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  18:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Rollback?
If I want to request rollback, I just go ahead and ask an admin like you, right? If yes, that's what I'm doing right now; I consider myself quite an able editor with the temper to start discussions on disputed topics that do not involve ridiculous content in clear violation of policies. I don't know if you've noticed me on the GTA IV page, or if maybe it would be better if I have someone write an editor review for me first, but there's of course my contributions at the signature to look at for reference. —  Emil K.  (talk''' 01:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You can spell and you seem sane - that'll do. You now have The Awesome Power Of Rollback Power. Don't use it on anything other than obvious and clearcut vandalism. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  18:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yayz! – Me, sane? Thank you (for that =)). —  Emil K.  (talk''' 22:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Sapere Aude
I noticed you were involved in the debate over "Sapere Aude". I've tried to put up a more encyclopedic article, (thought I'm not a skilled wikipedian), I hope this is good enough to remain.--71.63.245.222 (talk) 18:35, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's wonderful work - thank you. I added a section on Horace. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  11:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Rachel Harris and photo credits
Are you sure about this and help me out and find me the section where your comment is stated. I was under the impression that if a photographer placed the image for use on Wiki and elsewhere AND if attribution was required by the photog, such attribution will be given. I will never give an image for FREE without attribution, and I am a photographer. Thanks -- Luigibob (talk) 19:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I hear what you wrote. But as a fellow brother in photography I am going to delete the image, needless to say, because the photog's request was not met.  Let's see how this plays out, and it may be a teaching tool for other photographers.  My best --  Luigibob (talk) 04:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay super. Thanks for the Wiki lesson.  Godspeed -- Luigibob (talk) 13:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Redesigning your userpage
I am interested in redesigning your userpage, but I need to know a couple of things:
 * What are your favorite colors? Please provide HEX codes.
 * What type of font do you like (Verdana, Comic Sans, etc.)?
 * What type of pictures do you like?
 * UBX?
 * Important contribs? FA/GA/DYK?
 * Quotes?
 * etc, etc.
 * I might match your color sig with your userpage. Tis okay?
 * Can you please be specific about what you want on your page, because I kinda value my time. Oh, and Miranda does not make crappy userpages :-) as seen here. Kthxbai.  m ir a nd a   16:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, tis okay with you?  m ir a nd a   06:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I like monochrome, and light greens. I don't know what the hex codes would be.
 * I hate Comic Sans MS. Segoe UI is my favourite, then Verdana (as I've got it working at the moment - if you don't have Vista, it displays in Verdana).
 * The other answers, just go with what's on there.
 * As far as your first draft goes, it looks pretty nice. If I could have it look like anything, it would look like this:  <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  11:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikitext is kind of difficult with boxes and junk. Also, colors are approximated. I tried my best and this is what I could come up with.  m ir a nd a   18:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Give me a sec.  m ir a nd a   12:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, done  m ir a nd a   12:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅  m ir a nd a   21:04, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Possible threat..
I hesitate to get involved, because I have a history with this editor, but this seems to be a veiled threat:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:David_Shankbone&diff=212459626&oldid=212439782 Now listen up, {redacted}: it's you, and people like you, who ruined this place for me. I've got something very special in mind for you, but there is one way you can appease me: you can do an on-wiki essay that summarizes each thread... where you mocked me.]

The fact that it was in response to a plea from a woman concerned about her own safety makes it all the more disconcerting. I don't think she is completely without blame here, but I think it's going to far with veiled threats and demands. ATren (talk) 22:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that I've been a bit mean to David etc, and I will try to be more decent in future.  However I don't deserve threats of outing or something- no-one does. So I don't apologise for seeking to defend TFA.  I've been pleased and surprised with people's help, thanks ATren, Coldmachine, Alison etc.:) <b style="color:#FF1493">Merkin's</b>  <b style="color:#FF1493">mum</b> 01:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Another veiled threat ("I will hold off for a week. You only get one shot, so make it a good one that's thorough.") along with a slur ("c*nt"). ATren (talk) 01:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If I wasn't "involved", I would have blocked David for a week by now. As I am involved, it's waiting for another admin.  By labelling me as having a personal animus, David has gamed things so one of the admins (namely, me) who is aware of his behaviour can't really take any action.  That being said, if no one else acts and he carries on, I'll IAR and block him anyway. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  12:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Note I am much more "involved" with DS, that's why I've tried not to make a big deal. (If I went to AN/I, he would accuse me of grudge-bearing). But he is demanding an "essay" from Merkinsmum, and threatening "something special" if she doesn't produce it. He's also saying he's gone "rogue" or something, which concerns me. To me, threatening a female editor who is obviously concerned about being outed (see her repeated apologies), and who didn't even say anything terrible in the first place (I checked WR, just a few offhand comments - which I've since warned her about) - I think that crosses the line and needs to be watched. (BTW, I came to you because I trusted you would handle this with a level head, and you have not disappointed :-)) ATren (talk) 13:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Still waiting for an admin to take action (or decide none is needed). <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  13:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Your user page
I really don't know how to renovate your user page at this point, at least without some specifics. Do you have any besides saying "I want it to look amazing"? That would really help a lot. -- RyRy5  ( talk  ♠  Review ) 01:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I made a rough artists impression - . <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  11:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oooh, that would be well funky, no-one else has one like it.:) <b style="color:#FF1493">Merkin's</b> <b style="color:#FF1493">mum</b> 12:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/C68-FM-SV
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, John Vandenberg (chat) 11:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I have moved your comments on the case talk page to their own section. Feel free to refactor the the user-conduct RFC in userspace section that I have created. Please dont add any further comments in those sections; start new discussion threads. John Vandenberg (chat) 12:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for NFL on FOX commentator pairings
An editor has asked for a deletion review of NFL on FOX commentator pairings. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review.  Pats 1  T / C  17:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Your User Page
AWESOME :) Pedro : Chat  19:52, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. I'm giddy. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#060">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#060">☎  20:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So giddy, I changed my signature (any excuse to test it). <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226">龱  20:31, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, you used the talk page template, too?!? Wow...  m ir a nd a   23:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That was less complicated; I could understand it enough to make the border white so it didn't look strange. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226">龱  00:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Woah, it's almost as funky as mine lol:) Though mine was designed on a 12 inch screen lappy- on larger ones it doesn't perhaps look as good. <b style="color:#FF8C00">Sticky</b> <b style="color:#FF8C00">Parkin</b> 18:25, 18 May 2008 (UTC)18:25, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Neil/words
Is supposed to be for this template, and not the current one. The current one is box on your page is purple and doesn't need transclusion.  m ir a nd a   00:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OIC. Gone. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226">龱  00:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey
this might fit better here. Just a thought, but it's your call. Kwsn-pub 07:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

sig boys
I asked the helpdesk boys but mainly I just tried turning my computer off and on again.:) Think my clipboard had stuff stuck in it.  Any better?  Sticky   Parkin  22:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Spiffing! <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226">龱  23:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Save Toby
I was interested in recreating this article (you deleted it), and I wanted to browse through what was already there first. Would you mind restoring this article to my userspace for me? --UsaSatsui (talk) 01:57, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ - User:UsaSatsui/Save Toby. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226">龱  07:15, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Claudia Zacchara
Re: Articles for deletion/Claudia Zacchara, I am requesting that the article be allowed to be restored, as the user who proposed it and one supporting delete (KellyAna and IrishLass0128) were decided to be sockpuppets of each other here. The character is a contract player on the series, and nearly all contract players in daytime soaps have individual articles. &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 06:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ❌ - consensus would still have been "delete", and the article fails WP:V. See your talk. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl  <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226">龱  07:15, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Miranda
The userpage is quite clearly being used to take a cheap shot at me and the other editors she's fallen outwith. Such behaviour is quite clearly unacceptable and I'm grossly disappointed you are more concerned about the number of reverts I've made rather than the content of the page which I find objectionable. Nick (talk) 11:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The content is fine; discussions on MFD, DRV, and AN all concurred. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226">龱  11:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

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Could you explain how i should use it? (: Thankx!

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hertzanderez (talk • contribs)

The Metros
The article The Metros, which you've written and nominated for WP:DYK, fails all of the notability guidelines for music as I read them. --Stlemur (talk) 18:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't. It meets criteria 1, at the very least. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226">龱  20:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Edward Low

 * Wow - thank you very much! <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226">龱  06:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I wondered what was going on with all the daft edits to Edward Low, until I noticed that it was on the main page today. Well done! --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 16:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Dane Rauchenberg
Neil, Thank you for your efforts at mediating the controversy. I am satisfied that we have scrubbed away the self-serving, autobiographical elements of the article. I realized how much time it took, and I appreciate your devotion to seeing the project to completion. 207.91.86.2 (talk) 17:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks on confirmation/reverting of Edward Low
Thanks for the confirmation and revert on Edward Low. I didn't want to keep reverting, since I didn't want to fall afoul of WP:3RR, and I felt like I may have just been missing something. &mdash; λ (talk) 23:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

User:UsaSatsui/Save Toby
Would you do me a favor? Take a look at this and let me know if you think it's OK for re-inclusion. I'm not done, I'm going to finish up the sourcing later (I can source everything that I didn't hit with a fact tag), but I wanted to see if what I have in there now is good enough. Thanks! --UsaSatsui (talk) 07:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

JzG RFAR merged with Cla68-FM-SV case
Per the arb vote here the RFAR on User:JzG is now merged with this case and he is a named party. Also see my case disposition notes there. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 21:13, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What a nonsensical decision. Not only does it muddy the waters in the first case, that means Kirill has to recuse from the JzG case now. Very convenient for JzG. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226">龱  00:00, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that is unfortunate. But there are other members of the Committee, I'm certain, who will see the same pattern. Meanwhile, if you have any ideas on a civility remedy, please leave a note at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV/Workshop. Cheers. Ncmvocalist (talk) 08:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of the case... would you consider spelling my name properly? William M. Connolley (talk) 21:42, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol, not again! Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Bundchen image
Bundchen popped back up last night. Inserting editor was a new account, and this was its only edit, so I suspect sockpuppetry.Kww (talk) 10:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Obvious sockery, blocked. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226">龱  10:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Note to self
, Special:MergeAccount.

Ones I care about:
 * <S>Neil@enwiki en.wikipedia.org 23735 10:23, 31 March 2005 Sysop </S> Me
 * <S>Neil@mediawikiwiki www.mediawiki.org 1 06:21, 15 March 2007 </S> Me
 * <S>Neil@enwikiquote en.wikiquote.org 5 12:49, 21 January 2008 </S> Me
 * Neil@dewiki de.wikipedia.org 13 unknown - requested (En.Proto)
 * Neil@enwiktionary en.wiktionary.org 0 13:30, 10 May 2006 - requested (Proto)
 * Neil@frwiki fr.wikipedia.org 0 unknown - requested (En.Proto)
 * Neil@commonswiki commons.wikimedia.org 2 20:10, 21 March 2006
 * Neil@enwikibooks en.wikibooks.org 0 21:39, 17 March 2007
 * <S>Neil@simplewiki simple.wikipedia.org 0 18:26, 19 April 2007 - requested (Proto)</S> - no account previously existed, done
 * Neil@metawiki meta.wikimedia.org 0 unknown

All will be mine! <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226">龱  12:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Simple English username
The username Neil can not be directly usupted since you have already started the SUL process. Once the process starts, the name on all wikis is protected from being renamed to. It is not protected against renaming from though, so it can be (and has been) cleared for you. Just log in using your global password and it will be identified as you. The Proto account can not be moved to Neil (may be possible with steward assistance... haven't checked the status of that bug in a while so they may have the work-around in place they were talking about before) Creol (talk) 12:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Username change on nl.wiki
Hi Neil

It is not possible anymore to rename your account on the Dutch wikipedia. There are two issues at the moment. Because you registered Neil for SUL (see Special:GlobalUsers) an account at nl.wikip was already created and need usurping. In addition, because of a bug accounts can not be renamed to a name already registered for SUL. So, if you want to rename your account, please do the following:
 * 1) Go to SR/SUL and request the deletion of Neil as a SUL account. This removes your username from the list of SUL accounts.
 * 2) Request an usurpation of nl:User:Neil at nl:Wikipedia:Verzoek voor hernoeming van account (have a look at the procedure. It is described in English in the second paragraph in the box)
 * 3) Request renaming of nl:User:En.Proto to nl:User:Neil at nl:Wikipedia:Verzoek voor hernoeming van account
 * 4) Repeat step 2 and 3 for all your accounts on other wikis where you have username conflicts or accounts that need to be renamed.
 * 5) Merge your accounts again for SUL at Special:MergeAccount.

Regards, Annabel (talk) 16:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC) (PS: I'm on wikibreak)

Lean Six Sigma
Hi, I noticed you deleted Lean Six Sigma earlier today. I seem to have missed the deletion discussion, and don't remember the article well at all, though I linked to it a while ago from Six Sigma (and just noticed the red link). I understand "blatant advertising" was the reason for deletion -- it's a problem with these articles, people add their plugs to Six Sigma all the time as well. If no one watches out, the article gets overwhelmed. However, as a topic, Lean Six Sigma is notable, and we should have an article on it. Would you mind having a look if there were any older versions of the article that were less troubled by "edvertising"? Perhaps one of these could be restored. If it was all self-serving crap, oh well, then someone will have to start from scratch. Cheers, Jayen  466  23:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheers, Jayen  466  13:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Britain's Got Talent - Act descriptions
Will you please at least read Talk:Britain's Got Talent and comment before adding them back? Don't make this have to go to WP:3RR TheChrisD, Rant with me! 14:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I commented right before you left this message. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226">龱  14:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Rename on en.wikibooks
I have renamed b:User:Neil to b:User:Neil (Reclaimed). I cannot rename User:Proto, however, because of an SUL conflict. Go to en.wikibooks and log in to the account with your global password. Let me know if you have any questions. --Whiteknight (talk) (books) 14:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks Whiteknight. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226">龱  15:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Andrew Johnston articles
Hi, as you know there are two the same. My verison, the other On inadvertantly made by me, not realising that there was another one. I need the first one deleted. If you can suggest a way of doing so as opposed to my other, feelf ree. Ta, Thenthornthing (talk) 14:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

If this ain't boneheaded...
An anon that you blocked back on Ned Low's mainpage day has returned on another ip. He has helpfully copied his old ip's talk page to his new account to assist me in correlating his previous idiocy as with his current idiocy as. He is now spamming his copied talk page onto numerous mainspace talk pages - could you drop the hammer on him quickly? I'll help clean up where I can, but looks like most of those talk pages didn't previously exist. Maralia (talk) 02:22, 2 June 2008 (UTC)