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Regarding your edit on Ak party, Islamic democracy is against Turkish constitution. The party could be banned if it were to support any from of "Islamic democracy". Kavas (talk) 12:43, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sometimes parties can have hidden agendas and won't publicly announce it especially if their policies are not accepted by constitution. In papers only it's a secular party but you can't prevent them from being Islamists and from having religious policies in real life because it's simply NOT possible even if they keep denouncing their nature. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 18:37, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "allegedly" is a good word to use in writing the article text for such claims. Kavas (talk) 13:41, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

It is not needed because there is already a section on the page called "Ideology" where it is stated that some people perceive the party as Islamic leaning or whatever. There are people in the US who call the US Democratic party Communists. But I haven't seen in the the column of the party Communism [|Democratic party] but modern liberalism. So be consistent or we gonna add all the "perceived ideologies by certain groups have of a political party then? So it is not needed for it is already stated under the section Ideology.

1. It is forbidden by the Turkish constitutions to be a Islamic democracy or whatever party. 2. If one looks at the pages of many other political parties around world for example the democratic party of the US. Many conservative people perceive the democratic party as a communist or a socialist party. Is this stated in that column? NO. Germany's CSU is a conservative Christian Bavarian party, a lot of people call it Christian Taliban party (fundamentalist) but I haven't seen it on their page. Lets make it closer. CHP is the second political party in Turkey. Officially it is a social democrat party however if any one looks further and examines the things said and actions (policies) taken by this political party in the past. You cannot say this is a social democrat party (as one in western Europe) but a conservative nationalist party (as it is also perceived by a huge section of the Turkish people) but again this not added in the column. 3. The sources you have added are biased. Sources like "Jihad against Alcohol" What Jihad? There has only one law passed that regulates Alcohol sales, the law puts in line with standards in many western nations. Tell me in how many European nations you can buy alcohol after 22:00 (bars and clubs excluded)? In the Netherlands you can't buy alcohol after 22:00 besides bars and clubs. 4. Like I said before there is already a section called IDEOLOGY where is stated what the party is perceived as. 5. When you say things like they have Islamic agenda and the AKP is a pure Islamist party, you are already saying what you are thinking about them. So go spread somewhere else your propaganda.--Liesbeth98 (talk) 17:19, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Egypt July 26 demonstration sizes
G'day,

Thank you for working to improve the Aftermath of the 2013 Egyptian coup d'état wikipedia page, and including more Egyptian sources. I think you have misunderstood the Ahram online report - the 30 million figure is the total number of demonstrators over the whole of July - I think they added up the size of each day's demonstrations. Likewise the 1 million pro-Morsi demonstrators is over the whole of July.

The section you and I have updated is for July 26 only - the day General Al-Sisi called for a demonstration is support of the coup, and the Muslim Brotherhood called for demonstrations against it. The old figure "hundreds of thousands" was probably too low - I was using a cautious reading of the "million" claim in CBS and al Jazeera, partly being cautious in response to pro-Morsi vandalism. The Egypt Independent article does say "an official security source said" 29 million on Friday, but that seems to contradict everyone else, and may be propaganda.

Can you revisit those figures - both 30 million and 1 million seem much too high for 26 July.

Thanks, Sailfish2 (talk) 00:05, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Good day to you,
 * Sorry for the late reply, i've been away for a while. Maybe that's a good point there, 30 million demonstrators in a population of only 82 million is quite exaggerating and yes, you're right about the Ahram Online article so i can replace it with this one--->
 * As you can see, this article says that they were 35 million and of course it's more than too high so it wouldn't make a difference. The number is very popular here and a lot of people and most TV reporters claim it. On the 30th of June, it was also estimated that 30 million took to the streets but others said they were only 14 million. If you agree that they were 30 million that day, then i can tell you that the numbers on the 26th of July were way higher. I demonstrated myself on both days, the 30th and the 26th, around the Presidential Palace. But on the 26th the masses were so big it was like 2 persons/m2 at night and it was nearly impossible to reach the palace itself. On the other hand, pro-Morsi demonstrators always claimed they were "millions" but in fact they were only tens of thousands and they were mostly in Cairo, especially Raba'a Square--->
 * Overall, i'm going to satisfy you. I'll just say they were millions and that the pro-Morsi demonstrators were a few thousands but i'm sure there are many sources claiming so and i'll also add the sources i mentioned above.Fitzcarmalan (talk) 11:03, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, i guess i was too late...
 * I'll still add the sources though.Fitzcarmalan (talk) 11:11, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you Fitzcarmalan. I was pretty sure that the 1 million pro-Morsi demonstrators figure was wrong, and wanted to correct it. The demonstrations in support of removing Morsi sound immense - more than my country's population! I changed the article myself partly because I wanted to reduce the pro-Morsi number which wasn't supported by the other sources. Overall I don't think the precise number matters, but I think you now have a couple of sources saying 29 million and 30 million.
 * Sailfish2 (talk) 23:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

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HI,iam from egypt too and i am editor in arabic wikipedia,you can join us to contribute in your mother tongue language here is my talk page if you want any help talk to me,and finally good luck,i wish to see you soon edit on arabic wikipedia--أحمد توفيق (talk) 22:20, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, your offer is much appreciated and i will surely consider it but give me some time please. My priority is to raise Egypt and the Arab world's image globally because not everyone speaks Arabic like us. But i assure you that very soon i will begin working on Arabic projects. Thanks again! Fitzcarmalan (talk) 01:40, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

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Did you have consensus to do this? --John (talk) 20:55, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I already explained the reason for my edit +"Sit-ins dispersal" is the Arabic Wikipedia term used for the article. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 21:03, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I take that as a "no". It's better to seek consensus on talk pages before making potentially controversial moves, which this was. WP:RM is another possible way to do moves. I'm going to restore the previous title while you follow one of these avenues, if you still want to move the article. Please don't do this again as it makes trouble for others. Thanks. --John (talk) 21:14, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright then, i'm discussing this on the article's talk page but i'm tired of waiting for ages till someone replies. And btw i also hate to do similar moves without consensus. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 21:23, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

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 * The source mentioned does not represent any government's official response and it broadly mentions "Israel" and a bunch of "diplomats" without being any specific, which still doesn't represent a government response. You accuse me of being biased but i don't see how the section i removed was unbiased.. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 19:19, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry about "unbaised" term because I don't really know why you did remove it. However again the paragraph/sentence didn't mention that it's a government response either. It only repeated what's in the reference which is general term of the "Israeli diplomats". If you want you can relocate the information to another place in article but please don't remove.


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 * Alright, sorry about that. Thought it would be more helpful rather than confusing.. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 01:23, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

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