User talk:FkpCascais/Archive3

Mladen Brkić
Please see my edit for Mladen Brkić. I think he'll win the Albanian Golden boot this year. --SulmuesLet's talk 06:31, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Bozidar Sandic: He played for Ofk Beograd . Funny because in the Balkan Cup he played against Albania coached by Broćić and then Broćić had him as a player in the 1947-1948 season. Happens.
 * Yes Sulmues means striker. When I play soccer, I stay in the middle of the attack or on the right side, Gullit style, hehe.
 * My team is SK Tirana, I'm a very old supporter of that team, even though I am disenchanted with Albanian soccer nowadays: I just look at the national team, the rest is really low quality. In addition, too much betting contributes to the ruin. Don't look at the 1987 loss with Flamurtari as a big loss for Fkp Partizan: Those days Albanian players were at an excellent level and Flamurtari drew Barcelona twice that same year: Barcelona passed thanks to the away goal. The year after Flamurtari beat Barcelona in Vlore and lost in Spain thank to a very corrupt referee. Bottom line, Flamurtari wasn't that bad of a team at that time and I would have ranked Sokol Kushta as probably one of the top 20-25 best strikers of Europe of that time: He has scored from midfield too: he had speed and precision. Had he been able to go abroad at that time, he would have made it to a good mid Seria A team.
 * Best luck to Brkic. He'll be a good bridge of friendship.
 * Another bridge of friendship (besides Fadil Vokrri): Ljubiša Broćić.
 * Albania drew Portugal 0-0 in Braga with Arie Haan coach and lost in the last minute 2-1 in Tirana with Kuze coach. We're now a team at the level of Belarus, go figure when we'll grow.
 * And thank you for the very kind note, I really liked reading it! See you around --SulmuesLet's talk 16:11, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Resposta
Olá "compadre", VASCO "por aqui",

Em relação à tua dúvida, o EDNILSON só jogou pelos SUB-21 de Portugal, nada mais. O NILTON, segundo um link que achei e que pus no artigo dele, melhorando o aspecto geral da coisa também, já jogou por CABO VERDE (apesar do grande NATIONAL-FOOTBALL-TEAMS.com não acusar nada, nem para ele nem para o EDNILSON).

Abraços também, bom fim-de-semana,

VASCO - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:40, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

i met the same problem as you
..with the same user:DIREKTOR, but on another side of his interested area of wikipedia. His making IMHO the project drifting away on the articles regarding his position. Look how he censored my attempt to set a dialogue on his discussion page. I'm with you. Regards,--Theirrulez (talk) 19:40, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Someone, has cancelled my contribution form this talk page! I was forced to restore it... what's happening?--Theirrulez (talk) 21:21, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Someone, has cancelled my contribution form this talk page for the third time! I was forced to restore it... I ASKED WHAT IS HAPPENING?


 * Yes sir he did again, he violated several times the WP:3-RR, but despites he already noticed me for sockpuppetry, meatpuppetry, and more, I just promised him I want to start a dialogue, so I will not be the one who notice him for that, for the moment.
 * Regards --Theirrulez (talk) 04:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * If you believe it must be reported, feel free to do it.
 * I choose this time not to do..
 * Transeat...

Buonanotte --Theirrulez (talk) 04:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

hej
Pisacu na engleskom. So... the chetniks were on the side of the germans - but only in late 1944. When the monarchs no longer recognized them, and when they no longer got any help from the allies, they turned to the germans. My problem is that Direktor portrays them as German allies since day one. (LAz17 (talk) 15:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)). I think it is problematic that there is no mention of the Treaty of Vis. With that, in 1944, the Chetniks lost their backing. Since then we can say that they were not with the allies. They should have disbanded then. (LAz17 (talk) 15:14, 4 May 2010 (UTC)). Another thing that I recommend is to start collecting sources that talk about the allied support and whatnot that the chetniks have done. And german actions against them. Tim Judah's book talks about how the Chetniks collaborated with the germans because the germans were simply killing too many civilians. And that is quite reasonable, when 5000 people get slaughtered in one city in one day... what is one supposed to do... (LAz17 (talk) 15:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * In order to help or not to help the first question is do we agree on what is going on. Some people for example would say that the chetniks never collaborated with the nazis and paint the partizans as the biggest evil in the world. It is necessary to recognize that here was collaboration, and that since 1944 they were not legitimate as defenders. (LAz17 (talk) 17:06, 6 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * LAz, the issue is about Draža Mihailović. There is no question at all that tens of thousands of Chetnik troops themselves collaborated as early as 1942, regardless whatever the two of you may or may not state - we have actual collaboration agreements between the Chetniks and the NDH, the Chetniks and Italy, and finally the Chetniks and the Wehrmacht, all in archives and referred to in scholarly secondary sources. I did recommend you read up on the issue, and I did recommend you skim through the Axis collaboration section of the Chetniks article did I not?
 * Anyway, since you do admit that the Chetniks collaborated for two years (1944/45), Fkp won't like that since it would require that we mention Draža Mihailović's collaboration in the lead. -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 20:38, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Regardless of if they were or were not collaborating in 1942, the fact is that the allies recognized them as being no the side of the allies. The Chetniks were the main recipients of allied beyond 1942. Selective collaboration against an insurgent communist rebel force which was not loyal to the king does not equate to being on the side of the axis since 1942. So I think that you should go complain to the British and American governments for supplying the Chetniks even into 1944. Please really reconsider what you are arguing - that the Anglo forces were supplying hitler's soldiers... give me a break. (LAz17 (talk) 17:18, 7 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * So fkp, I guess we are going to have to be enemies, now that you started opposing me. Nice choice. (LAz17 (talk) 03:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * If it is not important as you say, then you should feel free to remove what you wrote, or write "weak keep". (LAz17 (talk) 03:16, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * Ostavi me na miru. Radio sam mnogo u vezi sportova na vikipediji, ne samo za Crvenu Zvezdu, vec i za USD Bosnu, JSD Partizan, i OSD Beograd. (LAz17 (talk) 03:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * To sto si dodao na kraju je provokacija, da idem da placem. Idi mozda ti jedi malo govna - kako bi zvucalo da to kazem? Nepomaze stanju. Ja sam suprotno od mog misljenja doso da ti pomognem za onog italijanskog hrvata - jer postoji nesto sto sto se zove CCCC. Ali vidim da ti neznas ni sta je to, i dakle ti si izabrao da se nepodrzavamo. (LAz17 (talk) 03:48, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * Faust Vrančić, ocigledno. (LAz17 (talk) 03:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * ???? Gle to stvarno nisi bio ti. ??? Jebo lud zbunjenog ovde. (LAz17 (talk) 04:03, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * Izvinjavam se sto sam bio malo grup veceras - ali neslazem se da sam na nikog ubacio noz. Neznam sta je CZ/DM - DM je draza mihajlovic prepostavljam? Borili su se protiv partizana i niko nije bio na njihovoj strani. A oni su onda bili u istoj grupi sa nemcima i ustasama jer je im kralj kazo u 1944 da je gotovo. Nevidim sta je tu zabijanje noza. Direktor tvrdi da su uvek bili sa nemcima. Realno je da se kaze od 1944. I treba da se doda objasnjenje sto. Ali i to sam pre diskutovo sa njim - pre sam se mnogo svadjao, i bilo mi je dovoljno to sto sam izguro da su partizani ustvari bili srpska vojska vecinom rata. To mi jebilo dovoljno. Za ovo drugo sam odredio da radim kasnije - ali ko zna kad. Mogu da pomognem da se kaze da su partizani bili na drugoj strani od 1944, a ne od 1942. Dakle ti biraj sta ces - direktor koji ce da tvrdi 1942, ili ja koji ce da tvrdi 1944. U najmanju ruku ja sam bolja opcija, zar ne? Sto se mene tice, zna se dobro da je on bio junak, i to jedan od boljih junaka. Ko i momcilu djujic, to su pravi nasi junaci. Ali moramo da budemo realni ovde. (LAz17 (talk) 05:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * Zao mi je ali u 1945 nemoze da se kazu da su bili na strani "allies-a" u ratu. Dakle na cijoj su strani bili nego na nemackoj? Cak imaju fotografije gde se cetnici slikaju sa nemcima. To je opste poznato. Ja dakle nemogu da pomognem da kazem da cetnici nisu bili na strani svaba... jer jesu na kraju rata. Nadam se da barem vidis razliku, da ja negovorim da su bili na strani nemca od pocetka- sto je sta direktor zeli da kaze. Niko na strani alliesa nije ih prizno u 1945. Cetnici su se sami predali englezima u italiji ili austriji, zajedno sa nemcima i ustasama. (LAz17 (talk) 17:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).

E, ti stvarno nista nerazumes sta je u pitanju tamo, nemoj molim te da mi pomazes, zaboravi, ti si stvarno kako kazes:"Jebo lud zbunjenog..." FkpCascais (talk) 03:05, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Template policy discussion
You are invited to help consider a common template policy for all WP:SPORTS biography articles at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sports.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Hvala Brate
Hvala brate, zamo zivim u Australiju, mozes da mi pricas Srpski, nema problema. Ako mozes da mi pokazes neku stranicu de pise kako se koristi wikipedia pravilno, bilo bi mi dobro i mnogo lakse, hvala. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Australianhistorian (talk • contribs) 16:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Thank you very much for the information, it was useful because I did not know that there was an actual policy. If anything, I am glad that one as such exists because it now fortifies the bigger problem that people often like to take out "Yugoslavia" in favour of successors. My only reason for giving the "SR Slovenia" or whichever was out of respect for the entity and not to ignore its existence. Of course, we can always add "SR Croatia" or "SR Macedonia" to the main text for the same effect, but I now know that infoboxes are settlement and relevant country at time of birth only. Thanks. User:Evlekis (Евлекис) 14:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Draza Mihailovic mediation
Hi FkpCascais, This is Isidoradaven from the Draza Mihailovic talk page. You had suggested that I sign myself to Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Draza Mihailovic I am totally new to Wikipedia disputes and mediation, and so wanted to ask: How do I sign myself? Thanks Isidoradaven (talk) 17:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Ivan Stojanović
Dear Sir.. i paste this text in serbian about Ivan Stojanović. If you could obtain more info about this great author from Dubrovnik. D.m Ivan Stojanović rodio se u Dubrovniku 17 decembra 1829., u doba kad bijaše još krepka uspomena na slavnu prošlost dubrovačke republike. Kakav ja duh vladao u ono vrijeme megju vlastelom i gragjanima, te bijahu preživjeli republiku, možemo lako zamisliti, kad uzmemo na um, da se D.m Ivan, i ako rogjen u sasvijem drugijem prilikama, toliko njim napojio, da je sve do posljednjeg časa duhovno živio u prošlosti i čeznuo za njom sve više, i u teškoj duševnoj muci, ne mogući imati nade, da će se već igda povratiti stara vremena, nalazio jedinu utjehu, da bugjenjem uspomene negdašnje slave i veličine republike sv. Vlaha, uvjeri mlagji naraštaj o ništavilu našijeh dana, i da, vezujući prošlost sa sadašnjosti, utre put boljoj budućnosti. U tu svrhu, čistom istorijskom istinom i življem primjerima iz sadašnjosti, upućivaše nas na pravu stazu, i pokazivaše nam u čemu nam je nada i spas.

Još iz malena upi se u svetinju, kao i Dositije Obradović, te čitajući životopise svetaca, silno razgrija maštu, da mu se i u sred bijela dana pričuivalo, da ga neko zove po imenu. Tako malo po malo zavrti u glavu, da hoće biti svećenik i ništa drugo. Tu je cijenio, kako sam govoraše, da se nalazi Eldorado i luka utočišta protiv oluja svjetovnijeh strasti, premda je poslije u tome stališu okusio Dantove bolgje. Eadi otvorena Srpstva i umjerena i razložita liberalizma postade trn u oku svoje braće po zvanju, koja zazirahu od ovog novog Prometeja narodne svijesti, te ga stase potajno i javno zadirkivati i podmetati mu misli i djela, koja nije nikad ni u snu promislio a kamo li na javi izvršio. No On je ipak, nepomičan kao stanac kamen, o koji se lome bijesni vali uzburkana mora, služeći samo Bogu i svojoj savjesti, kao dostojan nasljednik najvećeg Svjetilnika Istine i Pravde, Spasitelja svijeta, ne hajući za sve moguće zapreke, i dalje razgonio svijetlom istorijske istine tmine vjerskog fanatizma, i otvarao oči zavedenom narodu, propovijedajući da mu > vjera ni najmanje ne priječi da bude Srbin.

Svršivši gimnasije s odlikom, stupi u zadarsku bogosloviju. Dovršivši bogoslovske nauke, bi rukopoložen g. 1852, prije nego dopuštaju kanoni, radi nestašice popova. Najprije je popovao na Korčuli godinu dana, a zatim ga premjestiše u Rijeku dubrovačku, gdje je proveo 30 godina. Tu se pokazao dostojan pastir stada Gospodnjeg neumornim trudom, ne hajući za svoju vlastitu korist Seljani Njegovi pričaju prava čuda o Njegovu dobročinstvu i darežljivosti, što može posvjedočiti i svak u našem gradu, gdje je boravio od g. 1883, kad je bio imenovan kanonikom, pa sve do svoje smrti. Sprovod Njegov, kakav narod ne učini do sad još ni jednom svećeniku od kad je Dubrovnika, najbolji je svjedok, koliko je veliki Pokojnik dobra učinio u rogjenoj zemlji, i kako taj isti narod zna cijeniti velike ljude. Seljani negdašnje Njegove parohije, i staro i mlado, zajedno s gradskijem bratstvima dogjoše pod barjacima crkvenijera, da sprovod uveličaju. Suze, koje sroniše sijedi starci nad grobom Njegovijem, ulijevaju nam nade, da će zdrava svijest narodna doskora slaviti triunfe nad nepravdom i obmanom, i da će braća, koja se još otugjuju od srpskog imena, uvidjeti namjere zavodnika, i pristati s nama u bratsko i srpsko kolo.

„U Eijeci nagje elemenat socijalni, koji ga sasvim prevrati, i elemenat materijalni, biva divni položaj mjesta, jer je Rijeka dubrovačka kod Rožata najčarobniji kraj dubrovačke okolice".

Cesto općenje s učevnijem ljudima i književnicima onoga doba, osobito s Nikom Velikijem knezom Pueićem, jednim od najućevnijih ljudi što ih je igda Dubrovnik imao,*) pa s vlastelom Lukom Dijegom Sorkočevićem i Vlahom barunom Ghetaldi, pjesnicima latinskijem, i humoristom Jozom mq. Bunićem, mnogo je djelovalo na razvoj mladog Njegovog uma. „Da nijesam trideset godina proveo u Eijeci, — pripovjeda sam — niko za me ne bi znao, da sam živ!"

U književnosti se oglasio najprije prijevodima, u čem je često puta bio dosta slobodan, te izostavljao i prekrajao na svoj način. Preveo je, što prije, što poslije: polovinu knjiga I sp ovjes ti sv. Avgustina (u narječju dubrovačkom, neštampano); komediju Aristofanovu Oblaci; njekoliko komada iz De Amicis-a; devedeset Lessingovijeh basana; dramatski fragmenat iz Schillera Zlohotnik ljudi (Menschenfeind); Voltairove: Mikromegasa i Gjova (kratka novela slobodno prevedena); Konversaciju kod grofice Albani


 * ) Baš kad smo na ovom čovjeku, koji je bio od golema, upravo presudna utjecaja na život i um Đ.m Ivanov, ne će biti s gorega, da natuknemo o njemu dvlje-tri riječi, tek da se i u široj publici obazna nješto o ovom fenomenalnom naučnjaku, koji radi svoje neobične skromnosti nije dao uzroka, da se o njemu piše i govori.

Niko Veliki knez Pucić, brat srpskoga pjesnika Meda, čovjek imućan i neodvisan, provagjaše život u nauci, baveći se poglavito dubokijem filosofskijem razmišljanjem. Poznavao je u prste sve filosofske sistemate; ali je ipak najviše naginjao platonizmu i u nj se bio uprav upio. Latinski je jezik poznavao kao i svoj rogjeni, a uz to je bio vješt i ostalijem tugjijem jezicima i literaturama, od stare grčke do naše, tako da se bio usavršio u svijem naukama do bogoslovlja, u kom je bio do čuda vješt, poznavajući kao malo ko sve crkvene oce istočne i zapadne crkve. Sve to golemo znanje bijaše bistro i lijepo sregjeno u njegovom prostranom umu. Na veliku štetu našu, taj čovjek nije uprav ni slova napisao. Koliko je bio skroman i u se povučen, čak je preko drugoga pomagao i siromahe obilnom pomoći. Upitan jednom, koji su pisci nadasve zaslužni za nauku, odgovori: Platon u filosofiji, sv. Avgustin u bogoslovlju, Dante u pjesništvu i Leopardi u pesimizmu. Možda su ga prilike vremena nagnale, da ovog potonjeg osjeti jače no iko drugi.

V

(koju je u prijevodu nazvao Sta je slava vojnička?) od Paul-Louisa Oouriera; No šonje po Ghislanzoniju; čovjek repat (preragjeno po nepoznatom piscu); i Kanonik dekan stone crkve u Bajadocu (neštamp.), za tim sve izreke latinske Publija Sirijanina Mimika i Petronija (neštamp.).

U „Dubrovniku" zabavniku Narodne Stionice dubrovačke, koji je i sam uregjivao za kratko vrijeme, štampao je originalne novele: Gospogju Maru i Luka Maloga, koji je opet bio preštampan u „Vojislavljevoj spomenici".

U „Slovincu" je štampao više originalnih radova, kao Gjoru (prvi je dio „Gjore" Diderotov Neveu de Eameau [Ramoov nećak] ponašen, a drugi je dio originalan), Zagarca i ost. Još je napisao i podulju originalnu novelu Gjovo (neštamp.)

Sastavio je i komediju Fr lezi ja (štampanu u kal. „Dubrovniku" za g. 1898.), pa Romantićizam i Jastog. Štampao je i njekoliko prigodnijeh pjesama i epigrafa na srpskom, italijanskom i latinskom jeziku.

God. 1893. izdao je prvi svezak Anegdota i različitijeh mudrijeh izreka. Tu je izišlo i njekoliko anegdota iz naroda, došle nigdje neštampanijeh. U rukopisu ja ostavio mnoštvo anegdota i pričica, prevedenijeh i narodnijeh, kao i iz istorije dubrovačke. Megju njima dobar dio zauzimlju filosofski anegdoti.

Jedno je od Njegovijeh najznamenitijih djela Dubrovačka Književnost, kojoj bi bolje pristao natpis „Bilješke iz dubrovačke književnosti", i koje čitalac ima pred sobom.

Još je preveo i Engelovu povjest dubrovačke republike, naj jezgrovitiju do sad istoriju Dubrovnika, i nastavio, gdje pisac bijaše prekinuo, sve do najnovijih vremena. Ta Njegova radnja izišla je u podliscima „Dubrovnika". Nije je dovršio, jer ga je nemila smrt prije pokosila.

Odlikovao se još i kao dobar govornik i propovjednik u crkvi, te je ostavio u rukopisu dosta crkovnijeh besjeda i teološkijeh razmišljanja.

Za vrijeme popovanja u Eijeci zabilježio je bio mnoštvo narodnijeh riječi, poslovica i zagonetaka, što sve od Njega iskučiše i u Zagreb poniješe Kurelac, Broz i Srepel.

Poznavao je još osim svog materinskog jezika: latinski, grčki, staroslavenski i jevrejski, pa italijanski, njemački i francuski. Bio je silno načitan i svestrano naobražen čovjek. [ocr errors]

Zamišljao je veliki Pokojnik, tek dovrši nastavak Engelovoj povjesti, da započne veću od ijedne svoje dosadašnje književne radnje: Politiku starog Dubrovnika i Stare dubrovačke običaje.

Po ovom, što do sad spomenusmo, može se zamisliti, koliko izgubismo smrću Njegovom!

Srpstvo je s Njim izgubilo velika rodoljuba i književnika, Dubrovnik zadnjeg prestavnika starog duha u životu i književnosti, narod dubrovački rijetka svećenika, siromasi velika dobrotvora. Teška je rana svijem, ali je nama, srpskoj dubrovačkoj akademskoj omladini, po gotovu najljuća i uprav bez prebola!

Politika naše nesugjene braće, neprirodna u ovijem stranama, služi se još i sad, na osvitku dvadesetog vijeka, vjerskim fanatizmom na štetu srpske narodne misli. Ta politika u službi zajedničkijeh neprijatelja, uzela je za najzgodnije sredstvo u borbi većinu svećenika, kojijem je glavni izgovor za taj postupak, da Srpstvo tobož prijeti rimokatoličkoj crkvi. Naš narod, koji čuva svoju vjeru kao očinju ženicu, lako se da zastrašiti od svog svećenika, te mu tako vjerski zanos pomuti zdravu svijest, i on se, i ako bez ikakva uvjerenja, ipak otugjuje od svog, a prihvaća neprirodnog tugjeg imena. — Ko nam je tu najbolji pomoćnik, nama Omladini Srpskoj, koji smo uzeli za glavni zadatak, da širimo ideju narodnosti i da rušimo predrasude srednjeg vijeka, ako ne opet svećenici?! Po onoj evangjeoskoj „Mnogo je zvanijeh, ali malo izabranijeh", i u nas se pojavi njekoliko svećenika, zadojenijeh srpskijem duhom, ali radi progonstva i mućenja do brzo klonuše, a oni, kojijem je harakter bio jači od lične koristi i ugodnosti života, očuvaše svoju ideju, ali ona ipak ostade samo u njima! Nijesu imali smjelosti, osim vrlo rijetkijeh izuzetaka, da je javno šire zborom i pismom. D.m Ivan je, bez i malo straha i zazora, ne hajući za sva teška progonstva i poruge, junački izdržao do potonjeg časa, i preko dičnog našeg „Dubrovnika" dovikivao narodu: „Srbin si po rodu i običajima; u Srpstvu ti je jedini spas; vjera ti ni najmanje ne priječi, da budeš Srbin!" Dokazaše li protivno naši i njegovi protivnici?! — Ne! već nastaviše zadjevice i podle nasrtaje; ali On, harakter nad harakterima, što nailažaše na veći otpor, sve bivaše tvrgji i istrajniji, i održa riječ Svoju, da će sve do potonjeg časa pisati u „Dubrovniku". S toga nam je smrt D.m Ivanova dvostruko teška: prvo, što nam je Njega nestalo, a drugo, što mu nemamo dostojna zamjenika, te u teškoj borbi ostajemo bez potpore i oslonca!

Ali ipak, djela velikijeh ljudi žive i poslije smrti i uspomena njihova ne propada!

Eao što će vječno u srcima našijem ostati sveta ideja Tvoja, o vrli i nezaboravni Pokojnice, tako će i za nas i za cio srpski narod kroz sva vremena ostati sveto i veliko mjesto, gdje utrugjene kosti i mučeničko tijelo Tvoje nagje mira i pokoja! Mi ćemo Tvoju svetu humku obasipati cvijećem neuvelijem s koljena na koljeno i prekagjivati tamjanom čiste zahvalnosti narodnje. Brat do brata, bez razlike vjere, hvataće se jedan do drugoga, spojen čvrstom vezom svete ideje Tvoje u divno svesrpsko kolo, i tu ćemo nad svetim Tvojim grobom s godine na godinu oduživati golemi dug, koji ti nikad odužiti ne možemo.

Vječna Ti slava i uspomena u narodu srpskom, i laka Ti gruda rogjene zemlje, koju si Jjubio svim žarom plemenita srca!

Dubrovnik, dećembra 1900.

Srpska dubrovačka akademska omladina. --172.190.242.242 (talk) 23:02, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

List of foreign football players in Vyscha Liha
Hi, I'm sorry for my English. I correct Vučina Šćepanović about Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih. I agree with You to add also the seasons to the List of foreign football players in Vyscha Liha to the Category:Lists of expatriate association football players. Please, help me to segregate this list by nationality, for example: Bosnian footballers in Ukraine, Croatian footballers in Ukraine, Serbian footballers in Ukraine, Slovenian footballers in Ukraine etc. Also to create article Aleksandar Brdjanin (2002/03 Metalurh Zaporizhya 16 (0)), Đorđe Inđić (2003/04 Chornomorets Odessa 4 (0)), Edin Kunić (2002/03 Karpaty Lviv 1 (0)), Valter Androšić (2003/04 Vorskla Poltava 13 (0)), Dario Brgles (2005-07 Arsenal Kyiv 30 (0)), Mario Dodić (2002/03 Metalurh Zaporizhya 18 (1)), Jerko Mikulić (2002-04 Karpaty Lviv 31 (1)), Ivica Žuljević (2005/06 Metalurh Donetsk 1 (0)), Darko Bojović (2009/10 Illychivets Mariupol 1 (0)), Branko Ašković (2002/03 Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih 1 (0)), Ilija Borenović (2003/04 Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih 3 (0)), Goran Ćosić (2002/03 Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih 2 (0)),  Igor Đinović (2003/04 Vorskla Poltava 17 (0), 2004/05 Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih 2 (0)), Ivica Janićijević (2001-03 Karpaty Lviv 7 (0)), Vladimir Milenković (2004/05 Vorskla Poltava 14 (4)), Saša Mitić (2004-05 Volyn Lutsk 42 (8), Zakarpattia Uzhgorod 9 (1)), Ivan Perić (2005-07 Arsenal Kyiv 14 (2)), Miroslav Rikanović (2006/07 Zorya Luhansk 8 (1)), Dušan Šimić (2001-03 Karpaty Lviv 14 (1)), Aco Vasiljević (2000-01 Metalurh Zaporizhya 13 (5)), Rusmin Dedič (2002-04 Vorskla Poltava 20 (0)). Bogic (talk) 11:07, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, Zdravko Šaraba played for Volyn Lutsk, but Zoran Šaraba don't play for Volyn Lutsk. There is error in . I think it related with abbreviature Z. Šaraba. Bogic (talk) 09:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Gradovi
Taj Nemagic je pravio dosta vandalisma na knezevu. Ipak, uredu je sad. Za tu drugu stranicu nemozemo nista. Naterali su R.S. da promeni ime nazad u Foca... tako da nema sta da mozemo da uradimo. Da stvar bude mnogo gora, presednik foce je neki srbin koji voli muslimane - mislim da je sam reko da zeli da muslimani budu vecina, i da se nonstop zene sa srbima. Stvarno je tip koji radi protiv sve srpske politke tamo - neka govnara poput ovog komsica. Nije da treba da ga nevolimo sto misli nesto, nego trebamo da ga nevolimo zato sto covek radi kontra svega toga sto sve srpske stranke tamo zele. Ipak, obrati paznju na Bosanski Brod - pre nekog vremena su bosnjaci pizdeli sto srbi ga zovu brod. Proveri sta se desava sa time... mozda da pomerimo stranicu da se zove "Brod (Bosnia and Hercegovina) ili Brod, Posavina"? (LAz17 (talk) 22:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * Promenjeno je sto posto. Cito sam prosle godine na avazu kako bosnjaci su bili besni zbog toga. Dakle to moze da se promeni. Ali srbinje... to mozda kasnije, ne sad. Ti promeni ime grada, ja ca nabaviti podatke za populaciju grada i opstine. Stavi grad da bude "Brod (Bosnia and Herzegovina)", posto ima mnogo brodova - makedonski brod na primer. (LAz17 (talk) 02:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * Da, to je glavni, - ovi neki drugi mozda mogu i da se pobrisu. Sto je bitno da bude neki fan site o gradu? Moze biti milion takvi sajtova, sto su oni vazni za ista? Uzmemo neki glup bend... ima sto posto mnogo sajtova o raznim bendovima, ali nisu svi fan-siteovi na vikiju... tako da mozda nebi bilo lose da se pobrisu oni koji nisu zvanicni/vazni. Isto, vazno je da se vidi ako ti neki su uopste "updated" godinama. Sto da imamo zastarele stvari? :) (LAz17 (talk) 03:34, 16 May 2010 (UTC)).

crno beli
Sta kazes, dal sam malo ili mnogo poludeo u vezi partizanski klubova?? (LAz17 (talk) 05:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * Ma ovo je tek pocetak. Imam jos nekoliko partizanski klubova da dodam uskoro. :) Mozda onda i zvezdu. Prvo sam treniro malo sa USD Bosnom... inace za koga ti vise navijas? Zvezdu ili Partizana? (LAz17 (talk) 05:56, 16 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * Stvarno nisam dok ti nisi kazo.
 * Ja vise volim partizana nego zvezdu... ali na kraj kraja bi najvise voleo da vidim da omladinski bude bolji od njih, jer ipak ova dva imaju suvise jaku dominaciju. :) (LAz17 (talk) 06:02, 16 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * Jok, moji su iz ljuti delova srbije. Otisli su u beograd, onda u bosnu... ja sam bio rodjen u hrvatskoj... ziveli smo u sloveniji... eto, "around the world"... (LAz17 (talk) 06:21, 16 May 2010 (UTC)).
 * Heh, ti si vise obiso nego ja/moji. (LAz17 (talk) 15:27, 16 May 2010 (UTC)).

Sadick Adams II
Can you add a source to the article about that? FkpCascais (talk) 18:39, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * See the Wikipedia article S.C. Adelaide or Swami Panchadasi The Human Aura: Astral Colors and Thought Forms Des Plaines, Illinois, USA:1912--Yogi Publications Society Page 36 Zombie 433 talk) 19:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * What does Swami Panchadasi has to do with this? FkpCascais (talk) 19:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Ask the editor of the SC Adelaide site, User:Cailecaile he has him linked on article side, i have the player only added in this category Category:SC Adelaide players. (Zombie4333 talk) 22:25, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I know about the category and I agree, no problem, just don´t understand why you are saying to see Swami Panchadasi (William Walker Atkinson) article? What does a XIX century occultist got to do with a 1990-born footballist? FkpCascais (talk) 21:32, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * this was an edit error, he is now possibly to sign with Étoile Sportive du Sahel: see Saddick Adams linked to Etoile return but he is not sign for this time (for the editors before me. Stop the club confirmed the transfer Officiel - Adams Sadick étoilé pour 3 ans (Zombie4333 talk) 22:32, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

OK. I know about Etoile, but he already had problems with them in the past, but maybe this time he ends up playing for them... Thank you. FkpCascais (talk) 21:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * is OK! once again sorry for the ignore, i have a badly day! (Zombie4333 talk) 23:02, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. FkpCascais (talk) 22:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi
Hello,

no problem, it's not that I don't wish to participate to the mediation, but I think what should be done is, first of all, to rewrite the article. As a matter of fact, I have just started to do that (I am at the very beginning of what should be a rather heavy workload). I don't mind at all making comments on the "mediation" page, but the work on the article itself (and the honest uses of reliable sources) is what matters most. So far I've been using Buisson's biography for his "early life" details because it's the only biography available, but for the World War II sections, I'm going to use university sources. Tell me what you think and see what you can do. regards Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 10:02, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know what the problem is. However, if the article becomes well-structured and well-sourced (which it is not at the moment), I hope nobody will want to look bad for starting an edit war and re-imposing an obviously biased and unbalanced version. The funny thing is, I don't want to glorify Mihailovic at all. I personally think that the guy probably meant well, but he proved to be a klutz and an incompetent. However, I find his story really interesting, and I think he deserves far better than the current article. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 10:14, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. If you have good sources and info, don't hesitate to make your own edits. What's even funnier is that one of my main sources, Stevan K. Pavlowitch's book, is absolutely damning to Mihailovic, while not describing him as a collaborator. I definitely think the guy deserves to receive an more balanced treatment. I hope I'll do an acceptable work : maybe the fact that I couldn't care less about the Serb/Croat/Slovene rivalities (well, I do find their story interesting, but I'm utterly neutral) will be helpful. But the real bummer is that every single article about Yugoslavia in World War II (and that includes Chetniks, Yugoslav Front, Yugoslavia and the Allies, every single battle...) has to be rewritten and carefully watched. The solutions lies in using good and neutral sources. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 10:30, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you just keep the article in check ? I think rewriting all of it might take me several days. Thanks.11:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I am being absolutely honest and I have just left a message on the mediation page. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 11:45, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. I have made some comments and suggestions on Yugoslav Front and Chetniks's talk page, and also on the "mediation" talk page. Your opinion would be welcome. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 17:10, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. No problem at all. But it would be nice if you could give your opinion on the articles' talk pages. Thanks. :) Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 22:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I know I'm late, but I have now resumed working on my drafts. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 15:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. Yes, I think it's an important issue, and we should get back to it especially when rewriting the Chetniks article. While the Serb element is also central to the Chetnik movement, they were not 100% Serbs. Yet also, many considered themselves first and foremost as ethnic Serbs. We must remember that for many Serbs at the time, "Yugoslavia" simply meant "Serbia". The ethnic element is very important (IMHO the fact that the Chetniks were not able to overcome it is one of the reasons why they failed) but it should be weighed carefully for what it was. BTW, please don't hesitate to tell me what you think of the draft's progress : you might also comment on it on the mediation page. Best, Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 16:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, definitely ! Most of the earlier Partisan troops were actually Serbs, there is no denying this. Just because Tito was Croat/Slovene does not mean that the line was clearly cut between ethnic communities. Far from it ! Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 16:29, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. No idea about Tomasevic, but I respect your opinion. However, I just made comments and suggestions at the end of the page and I think your opinion could be useful. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 09:19, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. No problem. As I told you before, I don't have a definitive opinion on that particular matter. Nor do I regard myself as influenced by anyone about this. Cheers, Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 19:00, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I have "completed" the draft (at least the story is somewhat complete, though I am still fleshing it out). Please give me your thoughts about it, as I am now eager for this matter to be finished. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 09:53, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Kneževo, Bosnia and Herzegovina
I've opened a thread at Administrators' noticeboard/Geopolitical ethnic and religious conflicts to discuss the complete replacement of content that has occured at Kneževo, Bosnia and Herzegovina. As an involved editor, you may wish to comment. -- Whpq (talk) 19:31, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Personal comments
I've mentioned the importance of sticking to content several times now. Yet I've just removed a number of personal attacks from the mediation page, some by you. It does not matter whether they are provoked or not. You are responsible for your own conduct. Consider this a friendly reminder. Would you be able to stick to content from here on out? Sunray (talk) 23:34, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Club categories
'' Timbouctou (talk) 01:11, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's me
Vidim da ti je srpski maternji, pa onda pitaj, ako sam ja onaj na koga ti mislis da sam. :o)) László  (talk)  01:22, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Grb
Ne znam sto je skinuo. Ne znam ni ko je skinuo? Ne vidim razlog zbog cega bi neko skinuo...?

Tempo21 (talk) 17:14, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Comical edit
That's right. Not even the schoolgirls are 1,60 in Montenegro; you'll be hard pushed to find a grown male that height. 1.60 is so short, I doubt even the Portuguese have that many small people. Montenegrins on the other hand are known for their stature, and you as a key editor for the footballers must surely have realised that you are entering digits above 1.83 most of the time for them. Evlekis (Евлекис) 20:05, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

May 2010
This is the only warning you will receive regarding your disruptive comments. The next time you make a personal attack&#32;as you did at User talk:LAz17, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. ''Stop it. Stop baiting LAz17, stop being triumphal at him being blocked - indeed, stop following him around and stop posting on his talk page. You can consider this an interaction ban with LAz17.'' Fences  &amp;  Windows  20:28, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Players
Hey! :) Usually the best way to determine it, is to look at the name and/or clubs he played for. If some player played since his teenage years in Slovakia, he is not a Czech and vice versa. Zvarík is a Slovak surname, his club allegiances confirm this as well. Playerhistory.com shows a lot of wrong information, like here about Karol Dobiaš, Slovak legendary player from Czechoslovak times. Usually, it is really easy to determinate Czech or Slovak nationality, the problems appear only from time to time with Slovak players, who early moved to the Czech part and soon adopted Czech language and culture and assimilated. Jozef Chovanec or Milan Luhový are one of those players to name few ... in these cases the adjective "Czechoslovak" is the best one. Many of players like them even today refer to themselves as "Czechoslovak". :) Slovak players who assimilated in the independent Czech Republic are usually referred to as Czech. Many of them came with their parents as little kids, so they were completely raised in the Czech Republic as Czechs, like David Bystroň for example. Hope this helps to answer your question. :) By the way I work from time to time on new articles about Czech/Slovak footballers but I often miss club info about them (especially about older footballers). If some footballer ended his career in e.g. 2000, it is almost impossible for me to find out exact years/clubs of his career from 1990s and 1980s. Do you have any idea about some good online database? Playerhistory.com seems nice, but it is not free. - Darwinek (talk) 12:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Usually it is no problem to find at least decent info about players who appeared in the Czech League since 2004. Still, there are some problems. If a player moves to some obscure club in Iran or China or to amateur clubs in Germany and Austria, it is like he disappeared from the world of football. I don't know how about Croatian or Serbian players, but in the Czech Republic unfortunately many players choose money over quality at some point of their career. You can see many former great league footballers (even the league champions) playing for Euros in 4th or 5th leagues in Germany or Austria. Some of them are even not over the age 30. :( Anyways, to speak about the problem of finding statistics. Last week I was trying to create article about one defenseman, who won the league title with Baník Ostrava in 2004. He is now already retired but back then, he was a backbone of defense, contributing to the surprising league title. I was shocked when I could not find almost any stats about the player, who won the league six years ago. Only stats were from his age of 30 ... I found more after a hard search two weeks later. I don't know, but for me it shows how quickly can a successful man in this country get neglected and forgotten. - Darwinek (talk) 12:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about the long comment. :) Maybe you are right, that Czechs managed football teams in foreign countries a lot in the past, serving as some kind of teachers. The fact however is, that Serbs and Croats teach the whole world as well. :) I am always amazed finding out how many of them coached in Turkey, Greece and various other countries long before football became a commercialized sport. These stories are simply amazing. I recall of some Czech coach pioneering in coaching in the 1970s or so, in countries like Algeria and Libya. Those were really truly wild times. :) Today, almost everybody knows how to play football, so our teaching is not needed anymore. :) Unfortunately our Central European football (including e.g. Poland) is not good today. Our leagues lack money, which is the principal problem. We cannot attract quality foreign players and most important, we cannot keep our talents at home. That's what happened to Baník after championship season, they sold out almost half of the squad. The positive sign is, that at least several players from Balkans came to Czech league in last years. :) Andrej Kerić became top-scorer last season. Edin Džeko jumped to his star career from FK Teplice. Various Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian players play here. Some of them are of remarkable help to their teams. Anyways, I am nervously waiting for the World Cup and secretly hoping Serbia will advance from their difficult group. By the way, which club do you support in the Jelen Superliga? :) - Darwinek (talk) 17:26, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Starting from the end of your post. Yeah, Czech society is a bit in crisis, it can be said that way. The society became quite polarized over politics (right and left wing) and many people fear we can end up in debt like Greece. Still, it's not that bad, living standard is high and it is still a cool place to live. About the Serbs' feeling ... I heard and read about that and to be honest, I am not surprised, because it came at the moment of peak power of Yugoslav football. Still, I don't think it is a good idea to create some regional "Yugoslav League" again. You mentioned already some of the problems to smaller clubs, I would add security troubles resulting from matches like Hajduk Split - Partizan etc. There has been a similar idea for "Czechoslovak League" but it is stupid as well. Czech football association is full of corrupt and stupid "businessmen", who have no idea about football at all. Fans already do not come much to matches and joint Czecho-Slovak league would keep them safely home even more. I wish all of luck to the Slovak national team, because I really feel sorry for them. Nobody supported them even in Slovakia. All the years people were just bitching about them and making fun of them, instead of supporting ... and suddenly they are all football patriots. Anyways, I fear they will end up in group, like most of rookie World Cup countries. Well, as for the club I support, my club is Baník Ostrava. However, I have a favorite club in many countries and in Serbia it is Crvena Zvezda. :) I even attended Večiti derbi last November at Marakana. :) Btw. if you'd like to talk on some messenger or facebook, write my e-mail from my profile. - Darwinek (talk) 18:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, the system took my soul. :) Go to User:Darwinek and on the left side you can find "toolbox" and then "e-mail this user". :) - Darwinek (talk) 19:19, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Try this link. If even this link wouldn't work, you probably need to enable your e-mail. - Darwinek (talk) 19:38, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Aca
Yep, let's do it! Don't forget to add some info on the article about his name in different languages...regards, GiantSnowman 22:41, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I need some help.
Can you create FK Brodarac? I need that article... -- Tadijaspeaks 23:42, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, please, i will create it, they are very small club, and it is not important. Thanks anyway. :) -- Tadijaspeaks 23:19, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * O, yes, man, great! You are cool! As always! :) -- Tadijaspeaks 23:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

"Kosovo" = "Republic of Kosovo"?
What do you think of this? -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 12:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

ZOMBIE433
Olá meu caro amigo, VASCO "por aqui",

Já vi que conseguiste "o milagre", já falaste com o ZOMBIE433, eu ainda fui mais educado do que tu com ele e NADA, não me diz nada. Acabou-se a paciência, tudo o que ele fizer e com que eu dê de caras (obviamente não o vou wiki-perseguir, nem nada parecido), vai ser só "UNDO", "UNDO", "UNDO".

Quero-me dar bem com toda a gente, aqui e fora daqui, e nada feito. Até arranjei um utilizador alemão para me traduzir uma mensagem para o gajo, mas desisti à última da hora, não vale a pena. 99,99999% das vezes, ele elimina (sem responder) as mensagens que recebe. A ti, até te respondeu ("Sorry, i am having a BADLY (!!!!!) day") mas, no geral, é um tipo que se está nas tintas, e é pena...

Abraços, boa semana - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 04:41, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Famos Hrasnica
Famos Hrasnica is not equal to Famos Vojkovići, one is Serbs club, one at FBiH. Matthew_hk t  c  08:26, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Are you sure they are not the same club? I know that F.Hrasnica used to play in the Yugoslav 2nd League (from time to time), and after the war, the Vojkovici Famos appeared. I suposed that they were the same club, just renamed, but neither I was sure. I´ll correct everything if becomes that they are not the same... How do you know? FkpCascais (talk) 05:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

The Famos Hrasnica plays in the F BiH and is a Bosniaks club. Hrasnica as i know there is 3 Hrasnica in BiH, 2 at FBIH and 1 in RS. Famos Vojkovići is a Serbs club. Guessing should base one adequate information. Matthew_hk t  c  05:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe they separated... Nevermind, I´m doing some minor edits on the articles. See the link I added, it has the book that says "FK Famos Hrasnica", and there was where I found the list of notable players that was found on the page. On the other hand, you deleted the current players list of FK Famos Vojkovići (from Transfermarkt), be more careful, please (not sure why you deleted that)... I have to do it again now. FkpCascais (talk) 05:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, when you say "Serbs club" it is Bosnian Serbs (not Serbia). All Hrasnica are in BIH, 2 in Bosnian-Croat Federation, 1 in Rep.Srpska, but all in Bosnia. Depending what Hrasnica is Famos from (Famos Hrasnica), we may know if is or not conected with the Famos Vojkovici (because if Hrasnica is near Sarajevo, in Ilidza, so is Vojkovici, they may have split in early 1990s). FkpCascais (talk) 06:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think Transfermarkt is a reliable source. Some information may correct but the transfer and current squad section of lower division often wrong. As there is no official site of the club exist, i think better use bihsoccer.com And Serb Rebublic FA to search a topscorer list to verify the "current squad" Matthew_hk  t  c  15:45, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Felicitaciones
Estimado FkpCascais, antes que todo saludarte y compartir contigo el hostigamiento reiterado de DIREKTOR a todo lo que no le parece o ponga en riesgo la memoria historica de Tito, esta vez en contra de Draza, el suele utilizar en mala manera y a su antojo las reglas de Wikipedia, es lo que se llama violar el espiritu de esas normas, llevándolas al extremo de bloquiar todo tipo de trabajo en esta espacio público, convirtiendolo en un monopolio de un grupillo de personajes, que no hace mas que limitar en demasía la universalidad y acceso libre a este medio de comunicación. El sabe a ciencia cierta que lo que se escriba o no, sobre sus áreas de interés, serán leídas y utilizadas como fuente de apoyo estudiantil e incluso estatal. Sabes cuantas visitas tiene la página de Tito diariamente? son miles y miles de personas que abren dichas páginas, recibiendo información tergiversada, de mala fe por una camarilla de fanaticos. Es por eso que encuentro loable la valiente actitud que haz tenido frente a las embestidas de este sujeto. cuidate y sigue así. Saludos --186.105.122.109 (talk) 20:07, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Muchas gracias por las observciones hechas. Por supuesto que existe la consciencia que wikipedia (especialmente esta versión inglesa) es usada como fuente de informaciones básicas, y varios sujetos aquí trabajan intentando manipular lo más posible, todo tipo de información, a favor de lo que defienden, o quieren defender. Claro que cuando esa manipulación pasa a ser descarada y perjudicial hacía diversos individuos, o grupos, hasta pueblos, pasa a ser mucho más facilmente detectable, y entonces se inicía un proceso de averiguación de la verdad. El problema es cuando ciertos sujetos tienen las espaldas calientes, y otros, no. Y claro, disponibilidad de perder tiempo y nervios en estas luchas. Vamos a ver lo que sucederá con todo esto, pero mucho juego de cadera hay que tener aquí... Aunque, si no fuera por el asco que tengo a cierto tipo de actitudes, probablemente no me hubiera molestado. Gracias y saludos. FkpCascais (talk) 21:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Kočić
Tačno je Kočić.

Tempo21 (talk) 01:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Personal comments again
This is the second time I have found it necessary to remind you, on your talk page, to stick to content and avoid commenting about another editor. This is the last warning I will give: Do not comment about another party. Period. Sunray (talk) 22:57, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? FkpCascais (talk) 23:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I am talking about this comment, in which you are making personal comments. I have repeatedly asked you not to do that. Sunray (talk) 23:21, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I´ll rephrase it there. Honestly Sunray, I had just exposed a great problem that occured in almost all sources that were missinterpreted, exagerated or completely falsifiyed by that and some other users. I do feel that attitude was shamefull. I urge some action on that. FkpCascais (talk) 23:31, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a reasonable approach to me. But even in your remarks, above, statements such as: "... exaggerated or completely falsifiyed," and "that attitude was shameful" are personal attacks. I've explained this before. If something is incorrect, state your reasons why you think it is and back it up with examples and sources. If you stick to the content, and avoid the judgements, we will be able to make more progress. Would you be able to do that? Sunray (talk) 00:01, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope I will. Honestly, I do understand you well, and I even completely agree with you on these comments issue, but it has been a bit difficult to keep allways cool-headed. I hope I´ll be able to make you soon here, with time, a wider and precise explanation about the issues that warry me, and make me be jumpy on these ocasions. FkpCascais (talk) 00:11, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

RE:Foreign players in China prior to 2004
I would like to complete a list of foreign players in China prior to 2004 but the information I got is too limited. Alexchen4836 (talk) 17:51, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I had a Chinese version but it is hard to know their latin name. the Chinese mixed up the Fabio x 3. Matthew_hk  t  c  15:47, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Vlade Lazarevski
He was born in Krusevac. His brother was born in Russia. That is because his father's job required a lot of movement. He said it himself in Sportske Novosti interview of Thursday 25.03.2010. pages 16-17. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rovoobo (talk • contribs) 07:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Here on official HNK Rijeka site it also says Kruševac. Vlade Lazarevski at HNK Rijeka site Rovoobo (talk) 07:59, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

New draft of Draža Mihailović article
JJG has completed a new draft of the article. I am asking for participants comments here. If you haven't much time, would you be able to just look at the lead and provide comments? Sunray (talk) 19:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Recent Rollbacks
FkpCascais, I feel these recent IP edits are just too controversial, given the mediation. Please note I invited the IP to join us in discussion. -- Nuujinn (talk) 17:57, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Nuujinn (talk) 18:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Regardin a page
I have a problem regarding a page that I created. FkpCascais (talk) 00:26, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What's the problem? Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 00:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello. Sorry to bother but something happend that could have been done in a better way regarding Rafael Barreto page. The page content was moved to a new created page, Rafael Barreto (footballer) this way loosing the page its edit history. What should have been done was that the page, about a footballer, should have been moved, and then a new disambiguation page should have been created, thus, not loosing the edit history. Am I right? FkpCascais (talk) 00:31, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Somebody has tagged Rafael Barreto (footballer) for a history merge, which would solve this problem, so I'm negating the template. If you need any additional help, feel free to add the template again and ask for help. Robert Skyhawk (T C B) 00:42, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You are indeed right. This is known as a copy-and-paste move, and can be fixed by an admin but is a bit tedious. You can follow the directions at WP:CPMV and/or list it at the holding pen.  Intelligent  sium  00:45, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I did the deed and notified administrators. Cheers, Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 00:49, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. I was already preparing to see how to do it. Many thanx again! FkpCascais (talk) 00:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Tahir Jaganjac
No, I do not know anything about him. There are two sets of Jaganjac families....one that hail from Northwestern Bosnia and, in my case, from Bileća, Herzegovina. My great grandfather later moved to Stolac, where I was born.

But Haris Jaganjac that used to play for FK Sarajevo, the head of Football Association of Bosnia and Herzegovina licensing program (coaching) in Jablanica is my distant cousin. His picture: http://edunsbih.ba/index.php?Itemid=31&id=36&option=com_content&task=view

Haris Jaganjac
I believe 1991 was the last year he played. I think he hurt his knee and had to quit.

Stop
I have spoken to you several times about sticking to content and not making personal remarks to/about other participants. However, in the last several days, you have repeatedly done this. I want you to stop. If you continue down this path, there may be no other choice but to exclude you from the mediation or block you until you cease. This is the last warning I will give you. The other party is also being warned. Sunray (talk) 07:44, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

You're an expert
So you may be interested in. Cheers! - Theirrulez (talk) 12:54, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Re:Gde si
Tu sam sa vremena na vreme. veoma sam zauzet na poslu tako da sam u zadnjih nekoliko dana samo po malo na Vikipediji. Imam toliko vremena da uradim nešto malo oko članaka i da uredim sport na Vikivestima (na srpskom jeziku) i to je to. László  (talk)  01:26, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Noted
I note that you edited some recent posts. I like the way you are reconsidering the way you come across. Thanks. The next step might be to edit them before saving. :) Sunray (talk) 07:31, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Sunray. Initially, I used to be much different (polite and less words), and I allways touth that other people will see the trouth, but unfortunately across time and some discussions here on WP, I noteced that people don´t have much time and punished me for not defending myself. That quite traumatically teached me that I really had to fight every word I disagree with all strenght. I hated it, and I am very glad to see that here, that will not be the case, and that I can go back to be the normal "me" again. Unfortunatelly, it looks that I still need some time to addapt back... but I promised you I´ll make my best effort and I will. Thank you once more for your kind words, I really needed them. :) FkpCascais (talk) 08:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I note that your posts on the mediation talk page are becoming more lengthy. If you recall, when we started, I urged participants to keep it brief. That is still a good idea, IMO. It helps others understand your point. Sunray (talk) 18:08, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer
Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, will be commencing a a two-month trial at approximately 23:00, 2010 June 15 (UTC).

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If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. Courcelles (talk) 17:18, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

About Đekanović in the Yu-born int. list
You're right, I'm really sorry... my fault! As you know I started some list with inclusion criteria and I know how bothersome are those kind of mistaken edits... sorry again! Reverted. --necronudist (talk) 21:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey
I want to be an autoreviewer too!!! Jokes a part, take a look. Cheers, --Theirrulez (talk) 12:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

End of idiocy
Hi. I'm done with this nonsense. I think I was concise enough, and have nothing else to add. I was upset for one moment, but I think some things are better ignored. However, I have told Sunray that I really don't feel like working on any kind of mediation with this individual, at least for the moment. cheers, Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 16:05, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. I just said what I had to say, now I think I'll also take a break for a few days. Bye, Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 16:21, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Cooperation for players from the old Yugoslavia
if you want we can start a cooperation to enlarge voices for those players on english and italian wikipedias..93.32.232.136 (talk) 19:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That is an area that I have been editing here for some time now, and any kind of cooperation in this area is welcomed. Can I help you in any way? Can you help me in finding league squads from any of the ex-Yugoslav leagues from the 1990s? :) FkpCascais (talk) 19:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're looking for informations about ex yugoslavian leagues, on Gazzetta dello Sport maybe there are some articles, talking about the age between 1997 and 2010, if you want I can send the link and I can help you to translate the articles.. then I can help you to translate ex yugoslavian voices from it.wikipedia, if you want, for example pieces from Antonio Vojak or Ivo Šuprina.. I need instead informations about career in former Yugoslavia, what for example Šuprina did before and after he came Italy.. how much you understand italian?93.32.232.136 (talk) 22:24, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I thank you very much for your offer. It may be usefull, but I doubt I am going to bother you with translations because I generally understand Italian almost entirely, specially when written. For exemple, I read Gazzetta often and I could say that I probably understand everything except some ocasional specific words, but even than, many times I get it with the logic of the sentence. Beside speaking perfectly Spanish and Portuguese (I even worked as a translator when younger for this two languages), I had 3 years of Latin in highschool, so with all these it makes me understanding Italian quite normal. Beside, my mother speaks Italian because she lived in Milano when young, and she had started teaching me Italian when I was young because back then (and still now) I really wanted to learn to speak it, at least, good. Reading Topolino when child and Gazzatta dello Sport troughout years had really kept me constantly in touch with Italian, beside having also Italian friends living here, but unfortunatelly, in my group of friends, we usually speak Portuguese or English because that way everybody understands. Watching RAI, or other Italian channels on TV while getting delighted :) with the ammount of beatifull Italian women also helped. I learned to read it well (the sounds of gl or zz are no strange for me, beside not used in Spanish or Portuguese), and when talking I can improvise quite well (specially with a drink or two ;), I only have trouble understanding when people speak too fast. Sometimes, I understand all, and sometimes almost nothing, and I beleave it has to do with the dialects of different regions. OK, I´m sure now I´m getting you borred with all this talk on my skills with Italian, I apologise :)
 * Regarding football, I´m desperately trying to find league squads for the period of pre-war, 1928-1945 (including, if possible, teams during ocupation, 1941-1945), and the period 1946-1974. I´m also missing the FR Yugoslavia, and others (except Slovenia, wich I have) league squads from 1991 to 2000. I have some clubs (Partizan, OFK Belgrade, Hajduk Split, but most are missing).
 * Do you need any help from me? Translations? Feel free to ask whatever, please. Do you have an account on it.wiki? FkpCascais (talk) 05:04, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * okay, excuse me if I speak italian, it will be better if I use it because my english is extremely basic :(.. http://archiviostorico.gazzetta.it/ questo sito lo conoscerai senz'altro, è l'archivio storico della gazzetta, con moltissimi articoli dal 1997 al 2010, ho provato a vedere ma non mi sembra che ci sia molto sui campionati della ex Yugoslavia.. per quanto riguarda il web non c'è molto.. per trovare le rose, i roster, delle squadre del periodo 1991-2000 l'unica possibilità sarebbe quella di provare alla biblioteca di Trieste (città lontana da dove abito io) ma a questo punto, se si deve attraversare l'Europa per prendere (anche) le informazioni, tanto vale andare in Croazia o Serbia dove si troverebbe di più.. ho provato a vedere se tra i nostri link ci fosse qualcosa di interessante, purtroppo però abbiamo poco e niente della zona: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progetto:Sport/Calcio/Link... per il periodo precedente la seconda guerra mondiale si può provare a controllare il sito dell'emeroteca del CONI, il comitato olimpico italiano, dove puoi trovare il Littoriale, il giornale sportivo fondato dai fascisti in cui ci sono le notizie sportive dell'epoca, ma di calcio non italiano ci sarà poco, anche se probabilmente qualcosa dovrà esserci, visto che il calcio dell'Europa dell'Est era il migliore.. il link per vedere le annate disponibili è http://emeroteca.coni.it/?q=node/1&id=1&anno=1928&col=1, se vuoi dare un'occhiata a com'era il giornale, guarda un po' qui http://emeroteca.coni.it/bookreader.php?&f=246&p=1&c=1#page/1/mode/1up e qui http://emeroteca.coni.it/bookreader.php?&f=4589&p=1&c=1#page/1/mode/1up; la ricerca sarà un po' laboriosa ma se vuoi te la spiego.. se vuoi posso aiutarti segnalandoti quando una voce di un giocatore della ex Yugoslavia che ha giocato in Serie A viene ampliata, mentre a me serve lo stesso favore per quanto riguarda gli stessi giocatori sulla wikipedia inglese con la loro carriera in patria.. no, I haven't an account on it.wiki..93.33.1.127 (talk) 07:54, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The Gazzetta archives can help me mostly with European Cups matches of Italian teams against some ex-Yugoslav, but they don´t follow the leagues from there. You´re right, there is almost nothing about it on the web. Don´t warry, I want ask you to go to Trieste :) ... Unfortunatelly, there isn´t much about the league neither in ex-Yugoslavia. There are books wich I´ll try to see when I go there on holliday, but I don´t think that this year I´ll be going. Slovenia is the only one to have their entire league players listed, with clubs games/goals, here Prvaliga.si. For Serbia, the best are srbijafudbal.net for league players, and Reprezentacija.rs for National team (including ex-Yugoslavia period). There is a Lige SCiG for the 2003-04 season, with most players careers, and there is only Tripod with squad lists for 1998-99 season. Have you checked the English wiki version of the Italian wiki link you gave me? Here WikiProject Football/Links. Regarding the emeroteca italiana link, I beleave they may have probably the Yugoslav Olympic teams, I´ll chech them this days... For the players from pre-WWII period in Italy, I have been using RSSSF, and completing the Yugoslav clubs using all I can, but if he played for National team, is more easy because you have his career certainly in Reprezentacija link. Do you want me to give you more links? FkpCascais (talk) 09:25, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * yes, thank you very much, more links will help a lot.. emeroteca CONI will have every news about matches between italian and yugoslavian matches (Mitropa Cup, for example) but I don't know how much it will help, there are too many informations to read and edit.. there are something like 29 years to read..93.32.255.206 (talk) 14:44, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Why?
Re: Recent remarks. Honestly Fkp, why do you do this? It contributes nothing to the mediation or to your cause. Sunray (talk) 06:36, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Which ones? On your talk page? If so, please let me explain. FkpCascais (talk) 06:40, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No please let it go. You don't seem to understand what I've been saying about personal comments. Sunray (talk) 06:47, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * But please Sunray, please try to understand that the question I made was a normal reaction for someone who went trough this process. I could/should have avoided to include in the question all the reasons why the question is logical and human, I understand now. It´s just that it was an enormous surprise. Also, I do feel bittered because he got JJG enervated, and I am doing everything possible to make him stay. JJG already gave up once on the article because of confrontation, I really hope this doesn´t happend twice. I really want us to have this mediation going (it is), and I hope you don´t have any doubts about my intentions. I do understand now exactly what you mean about my comment, and I promise you that I´ll be way more carefull and do my best to, if possible, antecipate and avoid everything that may lead to a discussion, or confrontation that is not productive for the mediation. I hope you can accept my apologise for this. FkpCascais (talk) 07:29, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, true. However, see my comments on the mediation talk page about win/win vs win/lose. You were in win/lose mode, IMHO. We can only progress if we put our energies towards everyone winning. I like your spirit and your will to learn. If you direct it towards win/win, we will make progress. Sunray (talk) 18:42, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you Sunray. I honestly beleave and many times uncounciently defended the win/win situations, but the major problem in this case was that the other side was not in that mode, so the first one to enter in it, the other side would inmediatelly take advantage and see it as a weekness from your side. I tryied many times in begining this, but it failed, and then it was more, to me, damage control situation... To be in this mode, it needs someone to supervise it (unfortunatelly, you) and understand it when hapends, so we avoid the other side taking advantage of it. I´m not sure I choosed the best words to describe it, but I think is understandable, what I wrote, and I´ll be supportive. FkpCascais (talk) 08:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)