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Nemanja Nikolić (footballer born 1988)
Na osnovu cinjenice da ima srpsko drzavljanstvo (i rodjen u bg) i igrao za zvezdu (1998-2006, 2008-2010) - "MOSBIO: "Similarly, previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability.", dodao sam te kategorije, vidi npr. Thiago Motta gde pise "Brazilian-Italian footballer", al uredu je ako ste postigli dogovor. Pozdrav brate.--Z oupan 11:36, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Bakic & ostali novi igraci
Zdravo. Znam da je potrebno da igrac odigra mec u profesionalnoj ligi da bi "ispunio" notability. Al nisam imao pojma da se Crnogorska liga smatra poluprofesionalno. Mada, sto se Bakica tice. Ima jos jedno pravilo za notability koje se na njemu moze primeniti: On je igrao kvalifikacije za LS kolko sam ja video. E sad, ako su neki klubovi iz Crne Gore poluprofesionalni, predpostavljam da to nije slucaj sa najjacim klubovima kao sto su Mogren i Buducnost. U svakom slucaju, decko je osvojio titulu sa Mogrenom pre dve sezone, a prosle igrao u LS protiv nekih Bugara valjda koji su svakako profesionalni klub. Ako ga neko bude oznacio za brisanje iznecu ovo kao argument pa ce da vidimo sta ce da bude. Takodje, mislim da bi se to da li je Crnogorska liga poluprofesionalna moglo diskutovati. Clanak koji su ubacili kao reliable source je od pre sest goodina, neposredno nakon raspada SCG. Tad im liga jos uvek nije bila ni formirana, a vecina klubova im je igrala u drugoj ligi SCG. A i ne vidim po kom osnovu bi se lige kao sto su Tirindada i Tobaga, Tajlandska, Sirijska, Mijanmarska ili Jordanska smatrale more notable u odnosu na 99% evropskih liga. Po onom spisku one su "more notable" u odnosu na Estonsku, Litvansku, Crnogorsku, Islandsku, Irsku, Velsku, Bosansku... Nightfall87 (talk) 09:35, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Have played in a competitive fixture between two fully professional clubs in a domestic, Continental or Intercontinental club competition.

Apenas a unidade salva
Trudim se kolko mogu, ucim jos, trudicu se jos vise, naucicu jos vise. Hvala i urpavu si i onaj drugi takdoje. Podzrav...e da, id a zans. Krivo mi je za FKJ, mislim prodaju sve sto valja nekoliko dana pre utakmice i misle da mogu u Evropu. Tuzno, nadam se da ce biti bolje sa nasom velikom trojkom. Podzrav. --Nado158 (talk) 20:45, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Znam, i mene boli mnogo, ali bas ta govna mi daju snage da se borim protiv njih. Veruj mi, i verujem da znas, kad bi se sve kod nas radilo kao treba, ajde lupam, da imamo mi moc u savezu idt, sigruan sam, da bi nas liga bila za nekoliko godina najmanje kao holandska liga idt. Mi imamo ogroman potencijal, ali ti ljdu unistavaju nas fudbal, ali i krivo mi sto se narod ne brani. kako kod nas da skoro u sbvakom klubu ima jedanmajmun kao Palmica? Takodje mi je krivo sto, kao u drugim zemlajma, se bivse zvezde ne potrude da vrate nesto nasem fubalu, ili da pomognu itd. Vidi kako je u nemackoj, skoro sve bivse zvezde im rade u klubovima i savezu. Sad ce i Oliver Kan.Ali tako i u manjim, mnogo manjim zemljama. Pa jel smo tolko nezahvalni. Veruj mi, da sam ja naprimer Stankovic, zavrsio bi karijeru u CZ, napravio nesto idt...ali nsita. Problem je i u mentalitetu, ne hrabrosti i kompleks neki nasih ako me razumes.Sigruan sam kad bi se iskrenoi radilo, sportski od a do sh, bili bi dosta jaki. A regionalna liga bi na sskroz upropastil, nikad necu biti za nju. --Nado158 (talk) 21:39, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Kultura
Ne znam zasto ti pratis sa kime ja govorim privatno na wikipedia i sta te ja toliko interesujem. Ocigledno nisi procitao nasu celu raspravu oko zastava i ako za Crvenu Zvezdu i Partizan ima Jugoslovenska zastava zasto nema Zapadna Nemacka za Hamburg, Frankfurt itd. i zasto nema socialisticka Rumunija za Staeua. To sto me vredjas vise govori o tvojoj kulturi nego o meni. I jos nesto, seljaci su stvorili Srpsku drzavu i svaku drvazu na svetu. Bez seljaka nema hrana pa to sto me zoves seljak ne ljuti me. Molim da ljepo vrati se iz koje god rupe si izisao i nemoj vise pljuvati po ljudima. Pozdrav iz Amerike. --Branis1av77 (talk) 17:55, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Znas bre ti stvarno nisi normalan. Vidim danas da ti pricas neke gluposti o meni kao "report him" te "People need to be more calm" hahahaha Pa ti si onaj koji je o meni govorio da sam sramota srpskog naroda, seljak, glup itd. Mozda bi ti trebao da se smiris? Ja sam samo rekao da onaj covek je anti-srpski zato sto svaki dan menja srpske zastave u jugoslovenske. Tu nema nista sporno. Nauci nesto o kulturi brate. --Branis1av77 (talk) 19:22, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Upravu si. Ono za Crvenu Zvezdu je bilo glupo. Izvini. Konacno si se pokazao kao normalan covek. Nadam se da ce mo u buducnost biti prijatelji. O i hvala sto si mi onaj link pokazao, nisam imao pojma za to. --Branis1av77 (talk) 22:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Alban Dragusha
Yes sorry about this. I've done it a few times these past weeks but as I encounter these, I'll amend them one by one. I thought this is how some people prefer it but we'll keep the infobox simple. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 21:07, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. Many editors have been moving all related to birthplace into the first paragraph after the lede, and seems as a good solution.  There, everything can be extensivelly explained, city, privince, republic and "now X-land" if necessary. FkpCascais (talk) 21:16, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


 * True but just so you know, X-land is presented with the template so the observer will get the full picture, no hints from me at any suggestion of outright sovereignty! Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 21:25, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, you´re right, that is the most neutral way found until now to present it, I remember that discussion about the template, I myself have been adding it as agreed into some Kosovar club articles. FkpCascais (talk) 22:08, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Go easy with it though. Opportunist IPs still try to abuse editing privileges by removing the item, look here. And I have this past day discovered that admins don't give a monkey whether that is disruptive or not, they don't class it as "blatant vandalism" and you are still subject to revert restriction if trying to restore it. They dismiss such edits as "content disupte" but you and I both know that the edit you saw was a pure case of blanking. The template - which not only was used appropriately but was created precisely to maintain a neutral position and therefore could offend nobody - was taken out without explanation. If such edits are "constructive" then perhaps it should be removed everywhere, because if it doesn't belong here then where does it belong? And of course, if the template doesn't fit anywhere then why have it? Just nominate it for deletion, right? But if you look closer at that edit, you see that the IP added nothing to it. There was no replacement, just deletion of all phenomena concerning birthplace with the exception of X-land which was already in the text. Now if this is not blanking then what is! That is what I have been having to defend for one whole day until a short time ago. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 22:37, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I have seen some of the reports they made against you, however due to my topic ban I supose my intervention there would not perhaps be appropriate. You have been editing in the right way and as agreed by consensus, however other users and admins are sometimes unaware of the history of the dispute, so it may need time and several explanations before everyone sees the things correctly.  You have been much more participative and "immediate" than me when facing those edits, and you also certainly have much more related articles on your watchlist than me.  I usually only react immediatelly when I see some edit of that kind in my watchlist, otherwise I just limit myself to make from time to time a general round-up at the most important Kosovar clubs, and just restore the template and the related edits in the ones where they were removed.


 * I wish I could have been more helpfull to you, and please feel free to tell me everything you want and need from me. You know I allways like to help good veteran editors like you are :) FkpCascais (talk) 21:07, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Help me
i saw. please help me. (Maret Ani, Kaia Kanepi) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.120.84.244 (talk) 11:29, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello. Yes, I see, some users in that article insist in not respecting the historical accuracy. You are right.  I beleave that if those editors continue changing the place of birth to "Estonia" that they should be reported.  Unfortunately I am not an administrator so all I can do is to assist you and help you reporting them to some proper venue like ANI where it could be brought into attention of some adminstrators who could solve the situation and take proper action if necessary.  I added the articles to my watchlist and I will follow what happends there (by now the historically accurate version is in place, so lets see if they stop changing it). FkpCascais (talk) 20:56, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I suggest before supporting an edit war for what you consider historically correct you read up on the history. Your examples show you are far from the essence of the question at hand. None of your example territories (Austria under the Austro-Hungarian Empire, English colonies in America) were occupied by a foreign country but were under the sovereign power of the respective empires (Austro-Hungaria and U.K., respectively). What you are totally missing are the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907, starting from which military aggression cannot be considered as a means of acquiring sovereignity over a territory. So what I am trying to apply here is not an exception but a widely applied rule that states military occupation does not anull the sovereignity of a country over its territory. For actually appliccable examples, just pick your occupation from the List of military occupations and see whether people born during the occupation are marked as born in the occupier or the occupied country. For instance, people born in the occupied Tokyo, 1945-52, are they born in Tokyo, U.S occupation zone or Tokyo, Japan? Did Andrzej Romocki and other people perished in the Warsaw Uprising die in Warsaw, General Government, Germany or Warsaw, Poland? I can go on but I am sure you have the capacity to understand that it is not me trying to apply an exception but you and your unidentified pal who are presenting the Occupation of the Baltic states as exceptional from other occupations. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 08:54, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * We already had this discussion about these issues, see for exmple the link "my pal" gave in his first comment. The thing is that I am aware of the occupation situation, however that occupation lasted too long to be ignored.  People were born within USSR, they were registered as USSR citizens for generations, I mean, it was not a "short-term situation".  I also understand the personal feelings you mostly have towards the USSR, but ignoring the situation and pretending it didn´t existed just because you dislike to see the name of that country is not encyclopedical in my view.  I would suggest to have a broad discussion on this somewhere where everyone interested could participate and try to find some neutral solution to this, but this doesn+t mean that I support you all edit-warring every single user that comes and opposes to your edits.  I understand the conflict here, but I am not being unreasonable at all. FkpCascais (talk) 08:00, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Re:We already had this discussion about these issues - I was unaware of the discussion at the time and it is inactive now. Apparently either no-one forwarded these arguments or you dismissed them.
 * Re:that occupation lasted too long to be ignored - This is your basic mistake - no matter how long or how severe, an occupation does not grant sovereignity over a territory.
 * Re:People were born within USSR, they were registered as USSR citizens for generations - People born in Warsaw, 1939-1945 were not registered by the Polish authorities but the German authorities as well, but are still considered as born in Poland, so this is an invalid argument. People born in Estonia were Estonian citizens at and from their birth (just like people born in Warsaw were Polish citizens), and their Soviet passports were null and void.
 * Re:I also understand the personal feelings you mostly have towards the USSR - I am sure Wikipedia editors would appreciate if you discussed the topic not the editors. As much as I can see the main difference between you and I in regard to this topic is that I have read up on it and you are just giving your uneducated opinion. I would be glad to continue this discussion after you read Lauri Mälksoo's Illegal annexation and state continuity: the case of the incorporation of the Baltic States by the USSR: a study of the tension between normativity and power in international law. Leiden/Boston: Martinus Nijhoff Publishers, 2003, and the Reports of the Estonian International Commission for the Investigation of Crimes Against Humanity. Until that I do not think you have much to add to any 'broad discussion' on this issue.
 * The proper place for this discussion is Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Baltic states-related articles. It already has two proposals. One of these explicitly suggests to use 'Estonia' as the country throughout the occupations. The other one suggests to use the 'sovereign state' at that given time. Now the question is simple - did the USSR and Germany acquire sovereignity over Estonia?
 * Re:this doesn+t mean that I support you all edit-warring every single user that comes and opposes to your edits - I guess this means you choose to support your unidentified friend's edit warring instead. Good luck indeed! --Jaan Pärn (talk) 12:27, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Serbian flag
Yeah man, I totally see what you mean. I'm sick of people using bad arguments to justify things. Like you, I'd be happy just to have some stability. Unfortunately, no solution is likely to please everyone. – PeeJay 22:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for all your help. what shall i do?--116.120.84.244 (talk) 10:00, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem, thank you for being kind. :) About the problem, well, continuing to revert doesn´t seem at all as a good solution, so its maybe better to ask some administrator for help and advice.  As administrator User:Future Perfect at Sunrise already involved himself, I will ask him on his talk page about what he thinks it´s best to do.  Lets see what he has to say.  FkpCascais (talk) 10:15, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You should advise your IP friend to discuss his proposed change on the article talk page first. --Nug (talk) 11:21, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I did advised him not to edit-war and to wait to see what FPS can advise us all to do. What also seems a bit illogical to me is to have a separate discussion on each Estonian biography talk page over this same issue.  There should be some centralised discussion where all editors who are interested could discuss, and we should see some consensus solution for this. FkpCascais (talk) 11:34, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

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Jerry Sitoe
Hi FkpCascais,

I noticed you recently edited the page for Mozambican footballer Jerry Sitoe. Thanks for your assistance, as, living in England, I find it quite hard to keep up with a player who seems to be at a new club every month in a different country!

I was just wondering about Sitoe's time at Trofense - I see you removed his stats for the club from Sitoe's infobox. He may not have made any appearances for the club, but, if he did sign for them, shouldn't Trofense still be in the infobox (even if it says Trofense: (0) (0))?

The links below suggest Trofense did sign Sitoe, so I think it is necessary to restore the club to the infobox, as otherwise it sounds like he never went there: http://clubedesportivotrofense.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/jerry-sitoe-ja-nao-e-jogador-do.html, http://www.verdade.co.mz/desporto/24905-erro-na-inscricao-afasta-jerry-do-futebol-portugues

However, the second link suggests he was not legally allowed to play for Trofense (I think that's what you meant?). You probably know more about this than me, though.

Also, I noticed that after your edits the infobox now says he is on loan at UTA Arad, rather than playing for them permanently. I thought Sitoe had gone on loan to Trofense, and then left to join Arad on a free transfer. Is this the case?

I would appreciate any help with this,

Thanks,

Drawley (talk) 11:58, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi FkpCascais, thanks for your quick and detailed reply - your help is very much appreciated in trying to correct the article.

Haha, classic Sitoe - moving to yet another club when we're still trying to work out the rest of his career! I think you're right with what happened, and thanks for taking the time to look at different sources.

The Academica situation is annoying as several usually reliable sources, including http://www.national-football-teams.com/v2/player.php?id=35553, state that he played one league game for the club, although many other sites - including those you outlined above - say he never played for them. It's hard to decide which source to trust.

If many Portuguese sites dismissed Sitoe's loan spell with Trofense, then, as you say, he must have agreed terms but then left for whatever reason without making any appearances. Not sure where Atletico CP come in, though, as I'd never come across any sources claiming Sitoe played for them! I think Sitoe must have joined Academica permanently, as for him to be "released" suggests the club terminated his contract - if he had only been on loan, wouldn't they have just sent him back to Muculmana?

So, if he moved back to Muculmana after being released by Academica, did he play any games there? Both National-Football-Teams and Soccerway say he went straight from Academica to UTA Arad, which only confuses matters. After all this, here's what I think his career looks like:


 * 2007-10: Ferroviário de Maputo (We can agree on that one, at least!)
 * 2011:   Liga Muçulmana de Maputo
 * 2011-12: Académica
 * 2012:   Liga Muçulmana de Maputo
 * 2012:   CD Trofense (loan) - (LATER CANCELLED)
 * 2012:   UTA Arad (loan)
 * 2012:   Sloboda Uzice (PENDING)

That's definitely closer to being correct than what I had before, so we're getting there! Please let me know if you agree with my career outline or not.

Thanks for all your help,

Drawley (talk) 09:30, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi FkpCascais,

Thanks for your help again. I think Sitoe has signed for Sloboda now (transfermarkt and other sites say so) so hopefully there will be an interview with him about his career on the Sloboda website soon. Do you think we should leave Trofense and Atletico out of the infobox, and mention in the article that he went there but there were irregularities with the transfer and it was later cancelled?

Thanks,

Drawley (talk) 19:34, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks - Warning
Thanks for your help at Ivica Dragutinović. I forgot to contact you because i honestly thought it was vandalism, his profile at the external link#2, which is Serbian, speaks nothing of it. Thanks again!

Also, thought you would like to know the Football Association of Serbia page continues to be vandalized by an "engraçadinho", have already reverted him in the infobox. Abraços, see you --AL (talk) 22:22, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Boas, I didn´t knew it was you Vasco, then I understood (hey, why you changed your name? You are the legendary Vasco!)... Just remember, sometimes even local Serbian websotes "forget" to mention shorter spells in minor clubs, and often supporters of those minor clubs have to fight to get their club being mentioned. FK Bor is something like a Serbian CUF, and historical club which disapeared (although Bor was disestablished much more recently), and there is a group of football passionates which are trying to keep on the spiryth of the team, in a town which is known to be passionate by football.  Regarding Serbian FA, there is much disapointment with the FA president (o totó é um mafioso velho do piorio, tipo Madail mas 10 vezes pior, e mal começou o futebol lá a melhorar, e os clubes a importarem melhores estrangeiros, o homem fez tudo para os expulsar e impor o limite 3 por clube (!!!) ainda que só conseguiu chegar a 4.  Por isso, não faço muito por "limpar" os artigos que tenham a ver com a federação e com ele).  Acho que nem os tenho na minha watchlist. FkpCascais (talk) 22:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Pode ser mafioso, não vou falar do que não sei e acredito em ti amigo, mas três estrangeiros por clube (também acho demasiado ditatorial)? É melhor do que a pouca vergonha do futebol em Portugal (Benfica 1 português, Porto 2 ou 3, Sporting para lá caminha - ah e não falo no 11 inicial, falo no PLANTEL! - Nacional, Marítimo, etc), e agora com as equipas B's - directamente na Liga de Honra e o Portimonense que se foda! - siga a festa.

Abraços de novo, keep it up! --AL (talk) 22:53, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Eu sei, o interessante é ver o total oposto que ha entre as duas ligas. Mas ambos os casos são demais.  O pior no caso da Sérvia é que os clubes lá sempre tiveram numeroso jogadores de outros paises da ex-Jugoslavia (Montenegro, Macedonia, Bosnia, etc.) e agora esses tambem contam no tal limite 4.  Imagina se baixa para 3?  O limite conta para a ficha de jogo, actualmente o máximo é 4 na ficha de jogo (11 inicial e reservas).  Mata completamente o "scouting"...  Ele faz isso para proteger os empresarios de jogadores locais da concurerencia externa.  Nos 4 primeiros anos do seu mandato, consegiu fazer a Servia descer mais de 10 lugares tanto no ranking FIFA de selecoes, como no ranking UEFA de clubes!  Para além de ter riscado o contrato do Radomir Antic e assim ter posto uma divida de 2.5 milhoes de Euros para a Federacao que vai ter que ser paga ao ex-treinador... O homem so faz asneiras. Ah, e isto do limite tem a ver com uma coisa que cá tb se fazia, que é "vender-se" depois a naturalização por X dinheiro e ganharem algum por aí tb.


 * Olha, preciso da tua ajuda aquí no caso de Jerry Sitoe mesmo por cima desta "section". Podes ver a minha resposta na talk page dele, e ajudar-nos a decidir se é melhor deixar, ou nao, na infobox o Trofense pelo qual nem chegou a jogar e em lugar disso foi emprestado a outro clube. FkpCascais (talk) 23:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Foi contratado pelo C.D. Trofense em Janeiro de 2012 segundo esta página (http://desporto.sapo.pt/futebol/segunda_liga/artigo/2012/01/31/gabriel_viana_refor_o.html), depois de rescindir com a Académica (ver aqui http://www.record.xl.pt/Futebol/Nacional/1a_liga/academica/interior.aspx?content_id=732455). Suponho que terá tido contrato com o Trofense e depois rescindido? Mais não sei mas eu cá deixava pelo menos na história (no "box" não será assim tão relevante), o que não deixava era a fotografia do Pedro Emanuel no artigo do Sitoe, meu deus o que é que tem a ver?

Espero ter ajudado. Em relação à mudança de nome, já havia stress a mais com uns imbecis, especialmente um tal de User:Xxxx693, um cabranote da Colômbia (vê o "talk" dele, até te passas com a história), e também ouvi falar dos perigos de editar com o nome verdadeiro...enfim já está, mas cada vez ando com menos paciência para isto. - --AL (talk) 23:43, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Eu sei, a foto do Pedro Emmanuel é desconcertante, ainda para mais tendo em conta que ele nem sequer o usou na Académica... más quero ir com calma, o editor fez o artigo de Sitoe com muita boa fé e tentando dar o seu melhor e provavelmente pos lá a foto pensando estar a fazer bem, por isso deixa ver se resolvo isto da carreira do jogador primeiro.


 * Ajudaste, obrigado, más o primeiro link traz ainda mais dúvidas do que certezas, já que menciona que é o Atlético CP que o empresta ao Trofense!!! E o Atlético entra na historia sem se saber bem porque... O pior é que ele em vez disso acabou por jogar na Romenia, no UTA Arad por emprestimo alegadamente do Liga Muçulmana de Maputo, o seu clube anterior a Académica... Que confusão!


 * Será que depois da Académica ele terá assinado com o Atlético CP que o mandou para o Trofense por empréstimo, más por alguma razão o contrato com o Atlético não foi validado e dai ele nem jogou no Atlético nem no Trofense, mas acabou por voltar a Liga Muçilmana de Maputo que o mandou por emréstimo para a Roménia ao UTA Arad? É que ele rescinde com a Académica no inverno dessa época, e logo a seguir, joga a segunda parte da época no UTA Arad, daí ele nem ter tido tempo para jogar nem com o Atlético nem Trofense, porque acontece todo por essa mesma altura.  A única coisa que sabemos é que ele jogou efectivamente na Romenia, 8 jogos.


 * Em relação ao nome, eu percebo-te bem, mas pensava que estavas a vontade. Más fizeste bem, é que ha muitos malucos por aí e é bom resguardar-se um pouco.  Eu escrevo regularmente comentarios nos media sérvios como FkpCascais e mesmo assim já recebí ameaças, por isso tento dar o menos possivel de infomação privada pra andar por aí disponivel para todos... Fizeste bem. FkpCascais (talk) 06:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Cirilica, Latinica
Hvala na savetima i zvezdi :D, ja sam nova ovde pa vecinu ovih stvari nisam ni znala :), kao na primer za cirilicu da treba da stavim ;)

jel mozes molim te da mi da primer odakle da kopiram talk page? hvala

i treba mi pomoc, sta nije u redu sa ovim clancima Davor Štefanek, Dragana Cvijić? vidim da su predlozeni za brisanje :/ --Backij (talk) 09:50, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Hvala, puno :) Nadam se da cu se snaci kad budem pravila novu stranicu ;) --Backij (talk) 18:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

valjda nece, hvala u svakom slucaju ;)--Backij (talk) 17:49, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Klaudio hoxha K.A.H
You've met our new friend. He's been told enough times now about the historical accracy factor, by you, me and by User:Jaellee in a summary. If he flouts this again, we'll have no choice but to report him on grounds of WP:DE. Just so you know from now. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 13:05, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, the guy is really young and he is terrible. Really disruptive.  I didn´t had much time today, but if he continues he should really get reported. FkpCascais (talk) 05:58, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

By the way, is this edit correct for Miloš Krasić? The page has had more vandalism this past 24 hours than any aticle in WP history, or close to. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 14:03, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree 100% --AL (talk) 13:38, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Update: he is back, I have had to report him here. Feel free to contribute since you made the first civilised attempt at communication with the user. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 18:57, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

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Names
No i don't agree "amigo", because F.C. Porto is the fullname already (the WP name), so i would not write "Futebol Clube do Porto". In relation, the WP fullname for the country is Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, so that is what should appear in the body of article, in the box, compressed, SFR YUGOSLAVIA or only YUGOSLAVIA. As you see, i am being coherent: full name in storyline (whatever the full name might be, short, long or very long), compression in box (if needed, for example Tacuary is already the WP name for the Paraguayan club).

Regardões, happy weekend - --AL (talk) 13:41, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Živko Slijepčević
Pozdrav! Ne brinite, ne zameram vam nista, mora da postoji neki red. :) Sada da se predjem na stvar zbog koje se javljam. Sto se tice Zivka, ja sam iz mesta u kome je ziveo pre odlaska u Francusku. Nazalost ja njega ne poznajm, ali poznajem njegovog rodjenog brata. Tako da sam se malo raspitao o njemu iz pouzdanih izvora, a njegovu statistiku sam pravio oslanjajuci se na razne izvore sa interneta. Hvala na svim korisnom sajtovim, za ubuduce ce mi sigurno koristiti, za sajt playerhistory.com sam zano od ranije, ali nakon promene adrese ih nisam koristio. Vezano za onaj link sto si mi rekao da nece da ti se otvori, sada sam video da nece ne meni. Upravo sam otkrio u cemu je problem, tako da sam prepravio. Greska u zagradama. Molio bih ako bi mogao da mi objasnis kako da ubacim sliku u clanak. Hvala za prepravke, i dopune vezane za clanak, i jos jednom, pozdrav! :) --7even.up (talk) 19:05, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Soccerdatabase.eu
I think it's been long established that Polarman is Hakon Winter, who owns Playerhistory. If Soccerdatabase is indeed a scam mirror site - and only time will tell - then we shouldn't use it. GiantSnowman 10:12, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Vitomir Jelić and Ivan Stanković
Hi my friend,

I was wondering if you would be interested in collaborating with me on creating articles for Vitomir Jelić and Ivan Stanković. They are both full professionals that have recently signed for Serbian White Eagles FC.

All the best brate,

Tempo21 (talk) 02:24, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, sure! Want me to find all I can about them? FkpCascais (talk) 02:32, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I have soccerdatabase this on Vitomir Jelić, although it doesn´t mention any appearance in any pro league... Let me see if I can find more on him. FkpCascais (talk) 02:34, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * AHA! :) FkpCascais (talk) 02:36, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * What do you have on him? I think that with this two links we have his career covered (including sourced appearances in pro Serbian league).  Do you know where he was born? Because most sites add him both SRB and BIH nationality (exemple), and srbijafudbal.net is quite reliable for league stats, but a bit terrible on place of birth, as he often puts the place of birth the place from where his first club is, in this case Polet Ljubić (near Čačak, so he puts "Born in Čačak" automatically).  I already fixed many mistakes of his, and called his attention for this, but he continues making "automatic" birthplaces for players... :(  Can you confirm his birthplace? FkpCascais (talk) 02:41, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * About Ivan Stanković, which one joined White Eagles? Playerhistory has 3, all still active. soccerdatabase? FkpCascais (talk) 02:47, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * WOW, thank you so much brate! I will try and find out the birthplace of Jelić. As for Stanković, this is the Stanković that played for Partizan. He is the second link in the ones you posted.


 * Also, how do you find the PlayerHistory links!? I thought PlayerHistory was gone forever? WOW it has been so hard living without that site haha.


 * Thanks so much!!!

Tempo21 (talk) 02:59, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Someone mentioned it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football, but a couple a days ago I had this episode regarding the website. As you can see, User:Polarman (User talk:Polarman) is Mr. Håkon Winther, the owner of Playerhistory.com.  He says that soccerdatabase is a scheme and a copy of playerhistory, and that he will make a law-suit against them for stealing the content.  He also said that he will put playerhistory.com back on tracks, and asked us not to use soccerdatabase.eu on Wikipedia... His identity seems to be confirmed by wp administrators, and administrator User:GiantSnowman asked me not to use the links (see just one section before on my talk page).


 * Its a bit akward sitiation, as I made a couple of articles these last days using precisely soccerdatabase.eu however doing the best to find sources for all the things I added, without using soccerdatabase. In the meantime, soccerdatabase.eu opened the info which was exclusive only for members at playerhistory.com (like seasons and goals for each player), so I have been "stealing" the info these last days to add it to all articles in which I used playerhistory but I didn´t had the access to that data before... You can find all players  here (soccerdatabase). FkpCascais (talk) 03:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * PS: Hm, srbijafudbal doesn´t have a page for Ivan Stanković under Radnički 1928 profiles... I´ll try to see if it has it under some other club perhaps. FkpCascais (talk) 03:27, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Aha! It has him under Bežanija files, here. FkpCascais (talk) 03:30, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for the links Cascais. Besides the links you provided, I haven't been able to gather any more. I have found a FK Partizan magazine however that states that Ivan Stanković began his career in the FK Fitnes Kragujevac youth school. How should we go about creating the articles? Would you like to start them off?


 * Thanks again!


 * Tempo21 (talk) 12:14, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to vote for an article about a Serbian athlete
The article about former Yugoslav and Serbian marathon runner Sreten Ninković is undergoing a voting process which will determine whether it should be deleted or kept. I was hoping you could see it for yourself and vote. Hvala unapred, Zastavafan76 (talk) 07:48, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Brate hvala za ljubazan odgovor, zelim Partizanu samo dobro danas protiv AEL-a iako sam zvezdas. Ocekujem da cemo ti i ja dalje dati dobar doprinos vikipediji u clankama o srpskom sportu itd :) Jos jednom fala, Zastavafan76 (talk) 18:59, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Last message
Hi Cascais,

Just wondering if you got my last message? Would you like to begin those articles or would you like me to?

All the best,

Tempo21 (talk) 23:18, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I was out all day, the weather here has been excellent, and these days I have been practicing for my next golf tournament. In case of doubt, you can allways check ones contributions to see if one has been around, or not.


 * If you don´t mind I´d rather leave them for you, as I would like to use all my time to take all data from soccerdatabase to the articles before they close the website, because the most probable is that playerhistory will have that data exclusive for members only, so I need to hurry. :) FkpCascais (talk) 01:44, 6 August 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem tebra. Thanks for the tips and advice. Golf ume da bude jako relaksirajuć. Uživaj hehe :) Good idea about getting the info while we can.


 * Tempo21 (talk) 02:59, 6 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I actually started by playing tennis while I was still like 10 years old. Then my parents made me a member of one of the finest country clubs in my area.  I even got to win some minor tennis tournaments (nothing pro, just local).  The club included golf and horse riding (dressage) as well, so slowly I started playing golf after my tennis training.  I founded golf much more relaxing, and I had a really good group of friends to play each weekend.  While we played golf during day, our girlfriends were horse ridding, so it ended up being an excellent combination.  We used to spend entire weekends playing.  Usually you make 9 holes before lunch, and the other 9 during afternoon.  And then we joined the girls and finished the afternoons in the swimming-pool before dinner :) With time, I found myself playing much more golf instead of tennis.  There was a period when I started working where I had difficulties in finding time to play, but for some time now I have been able to recouver the lost time.  I had a period where I had a less healthy urban life, much work, stress, heavy drinking, partying, etc. so golf, with all the contact with nature and pure air, ends up being the perfect counter-balance :)  Besides, there are no words to express the feeling when you hit the ball perfectly and you see it going exactly where you want to.  Not to mention that 2 weekends ago I made my second Hole in one in my life, so gives me even further enthusiasm to keep on improving my handicap.


 * Golf ended up being the best option for me, as there are world-wide renoun courses here near Cascais, and tennis has become a bit too agressive for me, not to mention football which I can´t play for more than 15-20 minutes as my loungs start to explode (I´m a heavy smoker since my teen days)... Surfing has been a good alternative, but beside not being much of a champ (yet :) the water here is a bit cold, 16º-18º Celsius (while air temperature is 25º-28º), so I doubt I´ll ever surf seriously... Best regards Tempo :) Ask if you need anything, I´ll be around for the next couple of hours, and probably each evening I´ll take a look of what is going on around here. FkpCascais (talk) 03:50, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Dejan Stanković used to play for Partizan Belgrade as a goalkeeper!
OK now that my sensationalist-type headline got your attention, I'm sure you'll have a good laugh hahaha.

I was recently flipping through the pages of a FK Partizan club-issued magazine for the 2000-01 season. Naturally, the thing that interested me first was the players list from that period so I can see photos of players such as Stanoje and my personal favourite Ivica Iliev.

Something caught my attention so I scanned a photo. Check out the name of one of our backup keepers from that season!

Judging just by this photo, he knows it's not going to be easy having the same name as Dejan Stanković haha. Partizan's archives list him as having played only four matches (two international and two friendlies) so I don't know if he'd pass the Wiki article criteria but thought I'd share this kuriozitet with you.

Thanks for your previous nice message in regards to your golf game, I just saw it now :)

All the best friend,

Tempo21 (talk) 11:47, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I actually knew he played in the youth team, although I didn´t knew he was a goalkeeper. Great kuriozitet! The problem is that the dates of birth don´t match: the one from the image says, while Deki´s one is 11 September 1978. FkpCascais (talk) 01:42, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * This isn't the Dejan Stanković that everyone knows, I was only kidding, this is a different one. Also, check your email :)


 * Tempo21 (talk) 12:24, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I am really sorry, like 2-3 weeks ago I didn´t opened that mail for a number of days, and when I opened it I had over 100 unread mails. I have been postponing all this time that work of seing everything there, I really need to start taking more care about it, I am really sorry, I´ll go there right now. FkpCascais (talk) 09:08, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Info & Smederevo
Poz. Hvala za info o kategorijama. Da znam za ubuduce. Neg za klubove to ne vazi? Dovoljno je samo da potpise ugovor za neki klub da bih mu ubacio kategoriju ili treba i da debituje? Sto se Smedereva tice informacije su vise nego nikakve. Znam samo da su ovog leta doveli pun buljuk igraca na probu. Sa nekima su valjda i potpisali, sa nekima se pricalo da su potpisani ugovori pa se sad pojavise u drugim klubovima, neki se uopste ni ne spominju. Tako da sam i prestao da pokusavam da iskopam neki info. Kako se budu igrali mecevi videcu ko je koju utakmicu igrao i ubacicu ga u listu. Na kraju krajeva i na sajtu lige ce se valjda setiti da na kraju prelaznog roka ubace spisak svih licenciranih igraca za ovu polusezonu. Nightfall87 (talk) 19:11, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Videcemo sta ce biti sa Smederevom. Ovo je jos uvek sve na pocetku. I pitanje je kolko ce ozbiljna da bude privatizacija. Mada je to svakako nesto cemu svi klubovi trebaju teziti. :) Nightfall87 (talk) 23:57, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Francis Durán - Reply
Hi there Filip! Pois, fui eu meu caro.

Passo a explicar: o "PC (e NT) update" não deve ser alterado a não ser que hajam jogos, para dar uma indicação precisa de como está a temporada estatísticamente, e em que ponto. Se metes 7 AGOSTO 2012, e como ele não jogou ainda pelo Jagodina, dá a entender que a temporada com o Orihuela acabou nesse dia, e foi dia 3 JUNHO. Por outras palavaras, o PC/NT update deve fazer-se com a data do último jogo, não com a data da nossa última edição ou quando o jogador mudou de clube ou o raio que o parta.

A minha edição não foi assim tão "useless" porque: 1 - mudei uma categoria de sítio (SP.YOUTH INT.FOOTBALLERS), tendo-a posto no correcto; 2 - como o parágrafo no ELCHE/ORIHUELA era muito pequeno, resolvi "colá-lo" com o do JAGODINA. Espero ter ajudado, tem um grande fim-de-semana - --AL (talk) 14:33, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


 * In English, since it's as you wish: i thought it was like i suggested, but i'm getting very confused man, i don't care anymore, everybody suggests a different thing (me included) so everybody should edit as they want. A final tip: if it's a player in the HONG KONG league we are editing, we should add the last game/goal, valid for every country in the world in my opinion. Like i said, i give up, i send a hug to you! --AL (talk) 02:28, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Muito obrigado pela "info" extra, mas é um pouco confuso. Boa semana, tchau! --AL (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The last game Andrés Guardado played for Mexico was on 16 August 2012, so i added that date (and it's 16 August 2012, not August 16, 2012), the last game he played for Valencia (also first) was today, 19 August, i added that, will add now a ref to storyline. The exclamation points were exaggerated yes, but not an insult.

Desculpa, só queria ajudar, podes ir á WP:FOOTY e vemos no que dá --AL (talk) 23:28, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Whaat? Incredible these accusations from a friend (or i thought that)! I clicked "undo" because i wanted to get some of my sentence in, but i also left many of your writings, that's not edit-warring, i would say it's more or less teamwork.

I always treated you right and so do not understand this reaction at all. --AL (talk) 23:51, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Vou passar a explicar outra vez, já te tinha dito isso numa mensagem, por isso ainda menos percebo a tua reação. Fazendo "undo" ia pôr outra vez a categoria SPAIN YOUTH INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALLERS no sítio correcto, dava muito menos trabalho. Também, com "undo", corrigi o teu "by signed" que não quer dizer nada em inglês para o correcto "signing" ("by signing" também seria boa opção). Ou seja estou a ajudar e vens-me acusar de estar a pôr-me contra ti quando é exactamente o oposto?

Para mostrar mais consideração por ti, voltei a entrar no Francisco Manuel Durán, corrigi as estatísticas no Orihuela CF e repus a tua frase sobre a transferência para o novo clube quase na sua totalidade (menos o "by signed"). Além disso, a minha acção de "undo" não teve nada a ver com os "PC/NT updates", foi mais para efeitos de linguagem. Vamos aguardar pela decisão (se houver) do WP:FOOTY.

Se depois desta "defesa" ainda continuares a pensar mal de mim, não posso fazer mais nada. Boa semana e claro que peço desculpas pelo malentendido. - --AL (talk) 00:07, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, não me vou chatear (nem chatear os outros) por tão pouco. Abraços e até mais --AL (talk) 14:03, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Não amigo, isto foi um português "mal conseguido" da minha parte, claro que sei que há um consenso e tenho que me reger por ele, o "não me vou chatear" queria dizer isso mesmo, "vou obedecer". Mas já agora, como é que usa a técnica das 5 TILDES?

Obrigado, e sim, quando/se for a Cascais aviso, fica descansado. Abraços - --AL (talk) 22:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Já experimentei e, como podes ver em Josetxo (não queria corrigir nada lá, só uma experiência, deixei como estava), não "pesco" nada disto ainda. Bom fim-de-semana. --AL (talk) 20:05, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

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Abu
Hvala, upravu si. Moramo malo srediti Partizanovu i Grobarinu stranu za LE. Cestitam, zao mi je jako Zevdze i Vose. Zvezda ne srecna (po meni nije bio jedanajsterac) a o Vosi da ne pricam...koja kradja... Podzrav :).--Nado158 (talk) 14:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * A ko je taj Oleola? Jel on ima pravo to da radi?Sta kazes za Partizan ?--Nado158 (talk) 14:43, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)
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--The Olive Branch 19:03, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Kup 12/13
Moze nova stranica za kup? Bora83ns (talk) 07:28, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Nisam ih ja pravio u zadnje vreme... malo vremena imam ovih dana, napravi je ti slobodno ako mozes. FkpCascais (talk) 19:55, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Belodedić
Moram priznati da su ti argumenti tačni. Skinuo sam citat.

Ali bi zato ostavio ovo ostalo što sam dodao iz teksta pošto je to relevantno. Sad to što je Belodedić zaboravio srpski u međuvremenu a rumunski mu je savršen, to je - do njega! Hehe.

Tempo21 (talk) 19:12, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

IP
The preference is 'U21', if I recall correctly - that's certainly what I use. As for the IP's edits, if you see one which contravenes policy, then simply revert and warm using templates from WP:WARN. Once he reaches level 4 and continues then report to AIV or to me for a block. Regards, GiantSnowman 07:59, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

re: Ivanov
Ok, jasno. Necu da uredim tu staru statistiku. Mogu da razumem to da soccerway nije najjaci izvor. Zastavafan76 (talk) 23:07, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Ne, iskreno mislim da sam te razumeo. Stavio sam datum 8 Septembar za apdejt Omege Robertsa jer sam uredio tu statistiku bas na dan njegovog treceg nastupa (ako vidis istoriju te stranice vidices da sam uredio to na taj dan, dakle moze se predpostaviti da sam pisao taj datum jer sam na taj dan pisao a ne zato sto to je bio dan meca). Vidim da sad pise 9 Septembar, necu da diram taj datum jer shvatam da neko posle mene (valjda si ti) nesto popravio/uredio. Procitao sam ono o protokolu apdejta, bio je neki razgovor u koji si se ti prikljucio, i vidim da na kraju ste dogovorili da dozvolite da apdejti budu na bilo koji dan bez obzira na datuma poslednjeg meca. To cu da postujem ako vidis da ponovo pravim neku gresku najvise su sanse da je to nenamerno i da zaista ne razumem nesto. ali obicno stavljam takve apdejte za razne igrace samo na dane meceva a ne bilo kada, pa mozda zato izgleda da "izbrisem" datume i umesto njih stavljam datume poslednjih meceva, sto uopste nije slucaj. Obecam da necu izbrisati bilo koji datum apdejta ako vidim da je statistika za domace takmicenje prava (jer ti priznas da soccerway je dovoljno dobar izvor za domace statistike iako to nije slucaj sa medjunarodnim nastupima). Zastavafan76 (talk) 20:02, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

ej i jos nesto da te pitam, sta mislis je li uopste moguce da prebacimo neke slike na Wikimedia commons od renoviranih stadiona u Srbiji pa da se ne lomimo oko autorskog prava? Jer posebno ovih dana kad se toliko renovira tamo, pojavljaju se sve vise slike novih stadiona/renoviranih stadiona i mislim da bi bilo lepo da ih iskoristimo za clanke na wikipediju jer trenutno bukvalno 80-90 odsto clanaka stadiona iz celog regiona nema slika ni preciznog broja kapaciteta. Pokusao sam do nekog stepena da resim to, pustio sam poruku na Skyscrapercity forumu da pitam da li moze bilo ko da prebaci neku dobru njihovu sliku na Wikipedia commons (od novijih stadiona u srbiji) ali nisam dobio nijednog odgovora. Inace vidim da je neko odlicno "pobegao" tu zabludu autorskog prava jer je nekako uspeo da stavi korektan license za neku bas lepu sliku stadiona mladosti iz Krusevca. Mislio sam ako moze neko takvu slike da postavi na wikipiju, mozemo isto tako i u drugim slucajevima. Zastavafan76 (talk) 20:15, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Ivan Stanković
Hvala brate za informacije o Ivanu Stankoviću. Baš ih ima mnogo pod tim imenom pa sam se malo zbunio. Probam da ih sve ispratim.

Veliki pozdrav,

Tempo21 (talk) 15:40, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Javor
Zradbo brate. Ja sam mislio, i dalje mislim, da bi naslov kluba treba biti tako kako je klub poznat i kako se svuda zove. Javor Ivanjica..vidi kako je kod Borussia Dortmund. Niko nekaze FK Javor itd. Tek u uvodu moze se sve lepo objasniti. Isto vazi za Radnicki Kragujevec, a ne FK Radnicki 1923 itd i Radnicki Nis. Mislim da nije dobro i pogresno. Uvek ce ostati Radnicki. Cemu FK?Zna se da je ovo fudbalski klub. Javor nema KK ili RK. Pa koze se objasniti u uvodu clanaka kao svuda. Na nemackom teletekstu je svaki klub iz svake lige lepo lepo i tacno napisen samo iz nase lige ne. Svuda pise bezveze FK. Sta nam to kaze? FK Jagodina, FK NP idt da, ali kad klub ima ime cemu u naslov?mogli bi promeniti --Nado158 (talk) 19:22, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Uredu razumem, pa mislim da si upravu. Pa brate onda treba da pise FK Partizan Beograd ili Partizan Belgrade ili?--Nado158 (talk) 16:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Pa brate nije bas skorz tako. Klub je FK Partizan Beograd. Mi smo krivi sto pise FK Partizan. Ja ti garantujem da se svi orijentisu na wikipediji. Posmatram to vec dugo i sv aku nasu promenu vidim po svtskim medijama, novinama. Veruj mi, vec sam imao uticaj na transfermarkt i nemacki TV. Kad mogu da izgovoroe Fenerbace Istanbul ili Nefci Baku itd onda mogu i Partizan Beograd. Moramo da pravimo reklamu za nasa prava imena. Nigde se ni ne kaze Rapid Bec nego Rapid Wien. Ja sam za to da pise Partizan Beograd. --Nado158 (talk) 19:43, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Pa sta ako nema, mnogo klubova to nemau. Pa i Zvezda nema nista. Sto na Engleskom? Ovde u nemackoj skoro svaki grad izgovaraju na jeziku drzavea odakle je. I mnogo njih znaju da je grad Beograd. STo cudno? mi smo krivi za cudno??? Beograd brate. --Nado158 (talk) 20:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

eee djuro djuro koji vas unisti....--Nado158 (talk) 20:04, 13 September 2012 (UTC) onda FK Partizan Belgrade :P--Nado158 (talk) 20:14, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Youth School
Uredu, priznajem, za dosta stvari si upravu. Sta mislis da sklonimo sve youth school articles sa nasih klubova, jel necu da pravim reklamu da sto brze i pre odu nasi igraci. Ja to ne zelim bas suprutno. Sa druge strane sam mislio, i ako i ovako i onako idu (nazalost) prerano, onda da se barem zna odakle su, da su skole dobre i da su vec pretoga dobri, poznati, skupi igraci prosli tu skolu, tako da barem ne budu prejeftini prodati i da nasi klubovi imaju nesto od toga. Sta ti mislis? Brate prodajemo sve ispod cene, vidi sta Mamic radi. Mislio sam, ako se barem zna da su jake skole, da barem vise izvucu pare nasi klubovi, a ne da sve uvek ode ispod cene. Tadic prodat za 1,5 Mio, smesno a vidi sada. Mamic prodaje sve i svsta za 4 -6 puta vise a isto je. Razumes me? Ja sigurno necu da postanemo fabrika i da pravimo reklamu za to?Da smaknemo sve? sta ti mislis? Da sotane da imamo vise korisit ili da smaknemo? stvarno ne znam sada. Vidi Ajaks skola isto ima svoj clanak, i Sporting takodje. KAd imaju glas, onda mogu i vise para da traze, razumes? tako sam mislio. Kako god, prodajemo igrace ispod cene. --Nado158 (talk) 10:22, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Makedonska prezimena i boje Partizana
Pozdrav,

Izvini što se ranije nisam javio, baš sam swamped ovih dana. Što se tiče makedonskih prezimena, jedan moj drug Makedonac se preziva Zareski i pitao sam ga što se ne preziva Zarevski a on mi je rekao da je to tako zbog toga što je on iz Prilepa. Pitao sam ga da mi objasni malo i rekao da je u većini gradova -ovski, -evski a u nekolicini gradova - oski, -eski itd. Prezime se takođe menja kad je žena udata (ženski rod: ovska, evska...)

A što se tiče boje Partizana. Nisam još ubacio. Ali izgleda da ću obavezno morati.

Grobarski pozdrav,

Tempo21 (talk) 12:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Partizan
Pozdrav :) Pomazi! Samo cu toliko reci. Nado i ja radimo na tome da neki nasi sportki clanci dobiju GA status. Poceli smo od Partizana. Korekcije, smernice, izvori...sve je dobrodoslo :) (Nightwolf87 (talk) 23:25, 15 September 2012 (UTC))
 * Pratim sta radite, i napisao sam par stvari na Nadinom talk-page-u upravo o ovome. Ako se ne varam, fakticki smo Nado, ti i ja jedini zainteresovani za ovo. Vidim da ste dobro zasukali rukave i radite, ali mislim da bi bilo jako dobro da se dogovorimo oko strategije i nekih vaznijih stvari sto pre.

I jas sam za to :)--Nado158 (talk) 20:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Recimo, da pocnemo prvo sa jednim clankom, mislim da radis vec dosta na FK Partizan, hocete tako da radimo? Ako hocete prvo Zvezdu ili neki drugi clanak, ja sam OK.  Mislim da vec imamo kao cilj da barem FK Partizan i Red Star Belgrade dovedemo na GA status, a potom bi bilo idelno i FK Vojvodina i OFK Beograd sa tim da bih ja ovu zadnju, OFK-u, voleo da uzmem i sa vremenom povadim sve najvaznije o glavnom periodu (BSK) iz knjiga i za to ce mi trebati malo vremena, ali otom potpom dok stignemo do nje.

Nisam Grobar, ali ja sam za to da prvi clanak bude FK Partizam, jel je i jedini nas trenutni klub u Evropi i treba biti najbrze odradjen. Posle toga predlazem Vojvodinu, Radnicki Nis, Radnicki Kragujevac i OFK. Sta kazete?--Nado158 (talk) 20:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Naravno. Samo polako Nado, jer treba prvo Partizan i zatim Zvezdu doterati, i to moze da potraje. FkpCascais (talk) 00:36, 17 September 201


 * Onda, mislim da si ti veoma vec dobro upoznat sa viki pravilima, ali Nado mislim da nazalost nije. Nado, ako ovo citas, kao Boga te molim da izdvojis barem malo vremena i umesto direktnog editovanja clanaka da pauziras satic vremena i samo procitas najvaznije od oni pravila. Znam da deluje dosadno, ali nije toliko, veruj mi, kad pocnes da citas videces da sve ima veze sa editovanjem i sve ima smisla. To ces kad tad morati da uradis jer vecina stvari sto si pisao na svim clancima morati da se prilagode tim zakonima, i sto pre se ti sam upoznas sa njima, to bolje, i tebi ce onda sve biti jasnije.

Vazi, uradicu, obecam.--Nado158 (talk) 20:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Sto se clanka FK Partizan tice (´ce mo s´njim poceti?) mislim da ce biti neminovno da napisemo poseban clanak History of FK Partizan a da u glavnom clanku pokusamo da skratimo malo. Clanak ima vec preko maksimalno preporucljivih 100KB, a nama fali jos stvari da dodamo.


 * Koje jos predloge imate?

I dobre slike obavezno--Nado158 (talk) 20:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * PS: meni je licno problem sto sam ovih nedelja dosta skracen sa vremenom zbog posla. Radim za kompjuterom i zato mogu cesto da skoknem da vidim sta se desava na vestima ili ovde na viki, ali nekad mogu vise da zabusavam, a nekad manje, i sad je upravo taj period. To je tokom nedelje, a vikendom moram malo i porodici da se posvetim jer je vreme fantasticno ovde kod mene, a pored toga imam jos i golf turnir... Tako da nije mogao gori period da mi bude za neki veci poduhvat kao ovo. ALI :) pregledacu clanak i treba da zapisemo sve ideje i zadatke na jedno mesto. Dosta ste uradili i nismo toliko udaljeni od cilja koliko je delovalo. Trazicu isto savet jednom adminu oko nasih clanaka. FkpCascais (talk) 02:14, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

I ja imam slican problem od sutra--Nado158 (talk) 20:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Mislim da treba da zaboravimo spomenuti NK Maribor. Samo sto sam ga pregledao vec sam video nekoliko gresaka. Clanak je verovatno vec dosta menjan od kada je dobio GA status i nije nam uopste najbolji primer. Umesto njega, preporucujem da se ugledamo na FC Bayern Munich koji je i po prirodi (vodeci klub u zemlji) i strukturi clanka mnogo slicniji onome sto bi trebali clanci Partizana i Zvezde da budu. I naravno, clanak je GA, samo ovaj mi izgleda bas primeran. Moze? FkpCascais (talk) 02:22, 16 September 2012 (UTC) Aha, vidim da si spomenuo Juventus FC kao primer, moze naravno, isto je bas dobar! Moze i Manchester United F.C. koji je, ono, klasika, i on je cak i stepen vise, featured article. FkpCascais (talk) 02:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Clanak o Manchester Unitedu je bas dobar. Ovako, treba napraviti podclanke History of FK Partizan (mislim da treba tako a ne History of Partizan Belgrade, zbog zvanicnog imena clanka koji se spominje u svim UEFA takmicenjima), sledeci podclanak treba da bude FK Partizan colours and crest jer na glavnoj stranici treba ostaviti samo jednu repliku dresa i jedan grb i sustinski tekst o nastanku resova i grbova, a ostali grbovi i resovi sa vise teksta ubaciti u pomenuti podclanak. Sledeci podclanak treba da bude FK Partizan records and statistics - sve rekorde kluba treba prebaciti u ovaj clanak, a ostaviti samo najbitnije. Dalje, u podclanak FK Partizan in Europe treba ubaciti ove tabele sa najznacajnijim evropskim uspesima kao i UEFA ranking listu. E sad ona tabela o broju odigranih, pobeda, poraza u Evropi treba u Recors and statistics ili u FK Partizan in Europe? Jasno je meni da clanak treba da bude koncizan, bez preterivanja, jasno napisan, nepristrasan i sa odgovarajucim izvorima. Trenutno u clanku ima dosta dobrog teksta koji vec moze i treba da se iskoristi za pojedine podclanke. Ja msilim a clanak moze da dobije GA status samo sto mu treba malo oterivanja uz ove nove podclanke koji ce pomoci da se clanak skrati,a da ostane sustina :) Pa valjda je u interesu wikiprojectSerbia da dobije neki sportski clanak sa GA statusom :D (Nightwolf87 (talk) 12:11, 16 September 2012 (UTC))

Vazi braco, razumem. Da FC Bayern, znaju nemci sta rade sta se tice toga.ManU? Barca, moze i to ah?--Nado158 (talk) 20:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC) Ali cekaj, podclanak samo vredi ako ima dosta materijala a vidi Crisis kod Paritzana itd.SVe je to kratko i taman mislim. Vidi naprimer clanak Hajduk SPlita na hrvatskom. Ima samo jedan podclanak i licno mislim da je vec PArtizan ov clanak dosta blizu zvezdici. Da vadis sve i svasta iz glavnog clanaka, ne znam, ja mislim daje to previse i da je ovako kako je ok ili? citnih promena tu i tamo i to je to ili va mislite?--Nado158 (talk) 22:30, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Bitan je WP:SIZERULE. A  ima FK Partizan ima trenutno 104kB.  Znaci, vec smo preko najvisljih 100kB a jos nam fali izvora...
 * Za sada mozda ne moramo, ali bi taj clanak History of FK Partizan svejedno trebao da se napravi. Ne mora sad odmah, ali ce biti koristan jer u njemu onda moze opsirno cela istorija kluba da se pise. Kao sto vidis, to mnogi ostali klubovi imaju, i Partizan (kao i Zvezda, pa cak i Vojvodina i OFK-a) sigurno imaju dovoljno materijala da se naprave ti posebni clanci specificni o istoriji svakog kluba i tamo onda ne mora nista da se oduzima, nego bas naprotiv, moze lepo opsirno da se sve pise. Recimo, pocetak Partizana i razne prve decenije mogu mnogo detaljnije i opsirnije da se pisu...
 * Clanak Hajduka na hrvatskoj vikipediji je na drugoj vikipediji, i oni tamo mogu da imaju i druga pravila... to je ne vezano potpuno za nas cilj postizanja statusa GA za ove nase clanke ovde na en.wikipedia.org. Moramo da se ugledamo na najbolje clanke sa ove engleske vikipedije. Sto se istorije tice, mislim da treba pogledati istorijsku sekciju FC Bayern Munich. Pa zamisli oni koliko bi mogli da pisu o istoriji? Istorijski deo na Partizanu je za sada dobar sto se velicine tice, i neke stvari koje je Nightwolf87 vec spomenuo ce nam isto pomoci da skratimo totalni broj KB. FkpCascais (talk) 00:34, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Dobro. I ja sma za to da bude History of FK Partizan i da se ubaci kad bude skroz gotov. --Nado158 (talk) 08:22, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Jelic
Zdravo. Pravo da ti kazem sad prvi put cujem o Jelicevom dolasku u Smederevo. Bar u lokalnim medijima nista ne cuh. A ni nigde na netu osim na NSF se to ne spominje. Nightfall87 (talk) 23:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Naletim li na nesto konkretnije u vezi sa ovim unecu ovde. Ukoliko me neko ne pretekne. :) Nightfall87 (talk) 23:58, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm... Sta znam. Zvanicni sajt kluba mi ipak deluje kao relativno pouzdan izvor. Nightfall87 (talk) 09:29, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Na kraju krajeva i da ostane ovako ne bih imao nista protiv. Dodacu samo njegov profil sa sajta Smedereva u External links. Ako saznamo da je u Meksiku igrao za podmladak ili neku filijalu izmenicemo stranu, dotle ce i tranutno stanje posluziti. Edit: Nebitno, sad videh da si vec ubacio. :) Nightfall87 (talk) 18:27, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Lucas
Hi FkpCascais. I know Lucas António Silva de Oliveira has played in Mexico for years, but I cannot find any articles discussing Lucas Marques da Silva playing for Cruz Azul in 2012. He does not appear at Mediotiempo.com, so if he was with Cruz Azul, it was probably in one of their filial teams. I will try a few other sources and see if I can find something. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 14:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Markoski
Yes, Im sure. FFM agreed 2 games for that period (within 2 days), so for the second game (against Iran) they used the U21 team (it was the U21 coach and players). However, since the friendly game was agreed on senior level with the football federation of Iran, they decided to play that game as "Macedonia B"... From the same reasons, this match (you can check in the database of FIFA), was NOT officially recognized by FIFA. Therefore, these caps also dont count as Macedonian A team caps either, as that was a B (U21) team we used for that game and the game/caps are not counted by FIFA (only the game against Liechtenstein, where our A team indeed played, was counted). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msb73505 (talk • contribs) 06:20, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Manijaci
Ma uredu je. Kada sam pravio članak nisam ni uložio puno trudo i volje u njega, jednostavno nisam imao vremena, a što je još više žalosnije to nisam uradio ni do sada iako imam baš puno izvora. Kada je bio incident između Manijaka i Torcide, planirao sam napisati poseban članak, a to ni do današnjeg dana nisam uradio. Ne znam, uvijek mi je bilo lakše uređivati i sređivati postojeće članke nego da moram ga sam napraviti. Ali potrudit ću se u skorije vrijeme, pa da uredim/napravim većinu članak vezanu za FK Željezničar. Tebi hvala na podršci. AnelZukic (talk) 21:04, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Yugoslav First League
Zdravo druze. Nadam se da si dobro? Kako da prijavim nekog kad imam problem sa njim? Kako da se zalim i kod kojeg administratora? Imam porblem na strani YFL sa jednim (izgleda Splicanin ;)). Provocira ...vidi pa ces svatiti. Hvala--Nado158 (talk) 17:04, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Pozdrav Nado, polako nemojte se nijedan ni drugi nervirati i ratovati, moze sve kroz dijalog da se resi (haha, slusaj mene demagoga :D ).  Vec sam bio pricao sa Vicodinom na njegovoj strani, ovde User_talk:Dr._Vicodine, ali mesto gde treba sve da se dogovorimo je sad ovde: [].  Pridruzio nam se editor o Yu fudbalu, Timbouctou, sa kojim imam vec dugogodisnju odlicnu saradnju, tako da nemam uopste sumnje da ce mo naci najbolje i najkorektnije resenje za clanak.  Kazi tamo sve sto mislis, svi ce mo, i bice sve u redu :) FkpCascais (talk) 02:11, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Ajuda
Olá FKP, AL (ou outro nome se preferires ;)) por aqui,

gostava da tua ajuda no artigo do Vladimir Stojković se puder ser, trabalhei que me fartei para tirar o OVERLINKING (o Red Star Belgrade deve estar para aí 50 vezes!), e o palavreado era do outro mundo, quase poesia (ler aqui se é que ainda não conheces, eu acho que já mas envio à mesma - é de evitar os PEACOCKs e as WEASELs). Também arranjei mais referências e comecei a "encher" o intro.

Onde eu preciso mesmo da tua ajuda é nas referências em Sérvio. Podes traduzir os títulos por favor (já lá pus o campinho e tudo, o TRANS_TITLE)? Em relação aos incidentes com o tipo, só posso dizer uma coisa: quem faz isto que lhe fizeram (mais que UMA vez!), venha de que país vier e seja adepto de que clube for, é um autêntico ANIMAL, que não quer saber da bola para nada, ainda dizem que o futebol é festa...sei que és do Partizan pela tua página, mas de certeza que os ultras do Partizan não são nenhumas freiras, sejam desse clube, Estrela Vermelha, Sporting, Benfica, Real Madrid, Atlético Madrid (um dia há quase 20 anos, mataram um gajo da Real Sociedad, Aitor Zabaleta, que andava a passear ao pé do estádio antes do jogo, porque LHES APETECEU), etc, é tudo a mesma corja, espero que concordes comigo.

Um abraço sentido, ajuda sem pressas, só quando puderes - --AL (talk) 21:18, 17 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Mais, e não sabia que este gajo era irmão do Vladi (ver aqui http://www.footballzz.com/jogador.php?id=30674, fiz referência a ele no artigo do Milić Jovanović). Caso seja verdade confirma-mo, eu começo com o artigo (ainda que sejam só dois "links" e um pouco de história). Tchau! --AL (talk) 13:23, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Disculpa, mas tive num total wiki-break durante estas semanas e devo continuar durante mais algumas... Abraço! FkpCascais (talk) 04:44, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Tal como eu disse pá, sem pressas! Bom (wiki)descanso :) --AL (talk) 02:39, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Followup RFC to WP:RFC/AAT now in community feedback phase
Hello. As a participant in Requests for comment/Abortion article titles, you may wish to register an opinion on its followup RFC, Requests for comment/Abortion advocacy movement coverage, which is now in its community feedback phase. Please note that WP:RFC/AAMC is not simply a repeat of WP:RFC/AAT, and is attempting to achieve better results by asking a more narrowly-focused, policy-based question of the community. Assumptions based on the previous RFC should be discarded before participation, particularly the assumption that Wikipedia has or inherently needs to have articles covering generalized perspective on each side of abortion advocacy, and that what we are trying to do is come up with labels for that. Thanks! —chaos5023 20:27, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Footballers from Kosovo
Hi there. As there is a number of good Norwegian footballers hailing from Kosovo, I from time to time encounter Albanian editors who adds to these articles that they are of "Albanian ethnicity" even though the article already states that they are Kosovar. The most recent example is Shqipnia12 contributions to Valon Berisha and Ardian Gashi. As you are from Balkan, and a member of WikiProject Football I want to know what you think of these edits (even though I guess an Albanian wont listen to a Serb? :P)? As a Norwegian, I don't see the point of mentioning both the link to Albania and Kosovo, but I'm not very familiar with this. Mentoz86 (talk) 17:31, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Mentoz86, I apologise, I have been on a longer wiki-break so I only now saw your message. I´m not sure what to say... by MOSBIO it says ethnicity origin should be avoided in the lede, but if a player is an ethnic Albanian from Kosovo the options basically should be either Kosovan or Kosovo Albanian... There are no many Albanian nor Kosovar editors, but the ones I had encountered with I menaged to have good colaboration with them. I´ll try to see if I can find any and let you know. Best regards, and sorry for answering only now. FkpCascais (talk) 01:00, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries, it only took you 32 hours to answer so I guess the wikibreak wasn't that long :). I've removed it from the lede, so it's only mentioned in the body of the article, which I guess is ok. Mentoz86 (talk) 16:42, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Adeus
Meu caro, da outra vez não fui avante, agora vou. SEIS ANOS foi uma "boa série", mas já chega, já não consigo funcionar, ele é insultos, ele é má onda (no geral claro, nada contigo meu), e eu admito que nunca consegui (em 99,99999999% dos casos) trabalhar com o consenso devido do "site".

Como podes calcular, já não quero saber como fica o artigo do Vlada Stojkovic, se as referências ficam assim, assado ou de cabeça para baixo, não deu para ajudar não deu. Melhorei-o o melhor que pude e soube.

Um grande abraço do sul de Portugal, que tudo te corra bem dentro e fora do wiki-espaço! --AL (talk) 15:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Zimska transfer lista
Mozes da otvoris stranicu ? Pozdrav Bora83ns (talk) 07:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Kako moze da bude Milan Jovanovic medju slavim igracima Radnickog? Ako je bio u klubu mozda 6 meseci, koliko je utakmica odigrao za isti?


 * Zato sto je bio clan Radnickog i igrao je za drzavni tim (Crnu Goru)... Stavljamo u tu listu i igrace koji su igrali za reprezentacije, makar bili i kratko vreme u klubu, pa su kao takvi "notable"... FkpCascais (talk) 03:09, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

--Bohemian018 (talk) 16:28, 17 January 2013 (UTC) Hhhh, smesni su ti kriterijumi. Ti da se drzis istih stavio bi na listu jednog Vladana Kujovica koji je zapoceo karijeru u Radnickom, Aleksandra Ignjatovica, Bratislava Ristica, Miljana Mrdakovica, igraci koji su iz Nisa, a ne ove koje apsolutno ne mogu da se stave u grupu slavni igraci!! I sa transfer liste si skinuo sve igrace koji su napustili klub stvarno, zbog cega?


 * Nisam ja pravio kriterijume :) ali mozes da stavis sve igrace koji ispunjavaju bilo koju od gore navedenih tacaka. Jovanovic je ispunjava jer je reprezentativac pa posto je bio u klubu (makar kratko, tu polusezonu) onda je na spisku... Reprezentativci su lako uocljivi strancima pa je zato prakticno njih imati. A igrace sto si naveo, naravno treba da su na spisku.


 * Ono sa transfer liste sam izbrisao jer nema izvor, stavljen je bio neki slanak sa sportala od pre godinu dana... Svaki transfer treba da ima izvor gde je to navedeno... Razumem, ti mozda znas unutar kluba koji su igraci otisli a koji dosli, ali vikipedija funkcionise na principu izvora. Ali eno, ima vec vracenih nekoliko koji imaju izvor gde se navodi da su otisli iz kluba. Moras da nabavis neki clanak ili sa zvanicnog sajta ili onda iz medija gde se navode ti transferi. Inace bi svako mogao da dodaje i skida sta god hoce pa bi onda lista bila anarhicna i niko ne bi znao kome da veruje ili ne. Pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 20:23, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

English Wikipedia
Please note that this is the English language Wikipedia, and all contributions should be in English, so that all members of the community can understand them. It is a mistake to think that messages posted to user talk pages are private conversations, and that other editors don't need to be able to understand them. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:38, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello James. I usually allways adress other users in English, however there are some occasions when I am adressed in some other language so that is why that happends. However, I allways encourage users to use English and disencourage non-English speaking users to edit en.wiki, but occasionally it is necessary to discuss things with them in order to explain some things and have articles stable. FkpCascais (talk) 03:15, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Vladimir Stojković
Hi there FKP, AL "here",

can you please take 30 MINUTES to provide the translations for the refs in Serbian, please? I don't know anyone else that speaks the language, otherwise i would stop bothering you of course and ask someone else.

Thank you, regards - --AL (talk) 22:10, 6 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I´ll try, but I have been having scarse free time these last months, that is why I haven´t much around latelly. But whenever you need please bring it to me, and I´ll try to see if I can help. Just don´t find strange if you unfortunatelly don´t catch me for days around here. Best regards AL, FkpCascais (talk) 02:04, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Darko Micevski


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LOOK LOOK A PIGEON
Hello! I notice you are a fellow pigeon fancier! Perhaps you would like to see this picture of a pigeon! Have a lovely day today.. Lamb Ham Jam Man (talk) 19:16, 8 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I do. I feel much empathy for those quite mistrated birds, specially within urban areas, and I even rescue the ones I can. Thank you very much for being kind and sharing such a good spirit among Wikipedians. FkpCascais (talk) 19:49, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Lista stranih fudbalera u Srbiji
Zdravo. Ne znam da li se slazes, al po meni ovoj strani treba mnogo sredjivanja. Kazi sta ti mislis o ovome pa da sredjujemo clanak. Nightfall87 (talk) 19:15, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Prvo, ogranicio bih clanak samo na igrace koji su igrali od osnivanja Super lige. Tj od sezone 2006-07 pa na ovamo. Znam da to pokriva samo poslednjih 7 sezona, ali takva je praksa i na ostalim clancima. Za Englesku Premier ligu su izlistani igraci od 92 pa na ovamo. Za Bundesligu od 1963. Za Rusku ligu od 1992. Moze nama da se ne svidja kolko god ocemo, al opet mislim da bi isti princip trebao da vazi i za nasu ligu. Samim tim bi se clanak resio i gomile igraca za koje se pouzdano ne zna ime ili period u kojem su igrali u ligi.
 * Drugo, nekako drugacije zapisivati period u kojem je igrac bio u nasem fudbalu. Sam rece da ovako nije estetski.
 * Trece, Additional information spojiti sa Notes sa pocetka clanka i drasticno smanjiti broj referenci. Jeste da bi svaki clanak trebao da bude dobro dokumentovan ali ovo je preterivanje. :) Na stranu sto ne mogu bas za sve linkove tvrditi da su dovoljno pouzdani za wikipediju.

Partizan FC
Hello, friend! Because of rules I will write on English :) Currently, I'm working on FK Partizan article. Please, look it and tell me what you think on a first sight. It's not done because the sub-articles needs to be finished. I have summarized and rewritten the articles about Partizan Stadium and SC Partizan-Teleoptik. Next are FK Partizan seasons and List of FK Partizan records and statistics. And do what you think about moving FK Partizan strip into History of FK Partizan? Or to stay separated? And do you have any new and free pictures of Partizan stadium and SC Teleoptik? Panorama of JNA would be really cool :) Regards my friend! PS. Nado is banned and he can't help us :( (Nightwolf87 (talk) 22:12, 18 March 2013 (UTC))
 * Hello Nightwolf87, I am really sorry I haven´t been able to be more present and help more lately. I hope to find moe time this weekend and I will gladly help you, but I am sure you are doing a fine job just as you allways do. Kindest regards FkpCascais (talk) 05:46, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Bobrayner - edit wars on Republika Srpska
I need to inform you that a conversation is happening here. I have to tell you as I mentioned your name. You are not obliged to take part but are welcome to do so. Thanks. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 19:00, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I dropped a comment there. Kind regards Evlekis, FkpCascais (talk) 20:01, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

AN/I
Hi FkpC, I have alluded to you in this latest case involving Bobrayner. If you have experienced anything not included, please provide details. It is time the admins saw the full scale of this editor's disruption in the ARBMAC field. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 04:54, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

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Per this request at WP:AE, you are reminded that participation in edit wars over content related to WP:ARBMAC is potentially sanctionable. You are further advised that knowingly adding incorrect information to an article as you did repeatedly at ] is also potentially sanctionable. Thank you, Gatoclass (talk) 09:36, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Is this a joke? I didn´t edit wared and the diff has nothing to do with me. If you don´t present anything related to me, I´ll be removing your post... FkpCascais (talk) 10:06, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, you mean the revert of a section blanking? Why I wasn´t notified about the existance of that AE thread? FkpCascais (talk) 10:23, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I assumed you knew of the request, my apologies for the oversight. For the record, the advisement is due to you knowingly adding incorrect information to an article, here and here. Gatoclass (talk) 10:37, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, the problem was a bit more complex than adding wrong information by itself: it was section blanking by another user which included the removal of a valid source with correct information. Thank you for the clarification, however I still find unfair to receve warnings without having been notified neither having participated in the AE discussion. Regards, FkpCascais (talk) 10:43, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree it was inappropriate for you not to be informed of the discussion; this occurred because you were not an original party to the dispute and your name only came up in the latter stages of discussion; nonetheless I doubt your participation would have changed the outcome. BTW, this was not a warning, but an advisement that knowingly adding incorrect information is potentially sanctionable. You did not receive a sanction on this occasion because the incorrect info did not appear to be very misleading, if it had been you would almost certainly have been sanctioned. Gatoclass (talk) 11:04, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the clarification. Kind regards, FkpCascais (talk) 11:26, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, can you tell me what you think of this revision? Are the names on display correct according to their English common forms? Thanks. 84.74.30.129 (talk) 16:21, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I think that Bobrayner should make a RfM for all those city names he insists in piping to an Albanian name version. FkpCascais (talk) 17:13, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Is this allowed??? 84.74.30.129 (talk) 15:35, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Now you need to prove at your talk page that you are not a sockpuppet of Evlekis... I don´t have almost any experience with sockpuppet investigations, and I really don´t know much of how that works. FkpCascais (talk) 16:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Serbian Latin predates Croatian in the use of characteristic Dj, Lj and Nj?
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Jovan Nikolić dab?
Hi man, how are you doing? Well I hope. I just added a hatnote to one of your footy BLPs

Up to you whether the footballer stays at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC or you think now needs dab, I would be neutral since the writer is mainly notable in Germany. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:46, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the notice. The footballer ain´t no worldwide star, so the dab sounds as the best choice. FkpCascais (talk) 02:18, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks I only spotted it because the unsourced soldier stub Jovan Nikolic was raised in discussion of use of the (as far as I know) unique "--ic (Serbian ić)" formula in 1 Serbian sports BLP. This Jovan Nikolic "Major Jovan Nikolić (1873–1917) was a Serbian officer during the First World War,... " I can find no trace of a soldier in 1917, not under Serbian Joвaн Hикoлић in Google Books. Is the Major even notable? certainly isn't WP:PRIMARY. In searching the footballer and the writer and a 3rd Jovan Nikolić (engineer) http://www.telegraf.rs/vesti/654117-intervju-jovan-nikolic-izgradite-kucu-za-500-evra-po-kvadratu-kljuc-u-ruke kept appearing, but no soldier...
 * PS - On a related note, I added Ivo Andrić as example to Naming conventions (Cyrillic), and asked on WikiProject Serbia if there was a better example. No one has commented. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:02, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ivo Andric is a fine exemple, a well known Nobelist. Regarding the officer Jovan Nikolic, I also didn´t found anything. It wouldn´t be much drama if the article ends up deleted. Anyway, both Jovan as a name and Nikolic as a surname are pretty common in Serbia and the region, so dab would be a good solution. I´ll let you know if I find anything about the officer, but I haven´t had much time lately to dedicate myself to wp as I wanted. FkpCascais (talk) 03:17, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. Thanks for looking, I put in an AfD on the soldier Jovan Nikolic, couldn't find anything except the other Jovan Nikolićs.
 * What about Milan Dincic Dinčić / Милан Динчић? Is he notable for a singer do you think? In ictu oculi (talk) 08:41, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not sure about the notability for singers and musicians, I supose an AfD was a good move. FkpCascais (talk) 13:29, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of FK Partizan strip for deletion
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Thanks Cascais
Hi Cascais,

Thank you for helping me out with the Zlatan Alomerović case. As you can see I am sometimes more active and sometimes less active here depending on how busy my work/life is hehe. In regards to Alomerović, it is irrelevant what flag should be there, if he is born in Tunguzija then a Tungusian flag should be there lol. That's what the other users don't understand is that I like facts not bias.

Хвала брате што ме подржаваш у разним споровима, добар си корисник и човек.

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 * Walter is a fine footy editor, it´s just that he seems to have missunderstood that Priboj is in Serbia lolol. I have also been much less around here lately because of same reasons as you.  I basically simply check my watchlist from time to time or just add minor fixes to same pages and so.  I noteced a kind of warning you receved and knowing that you are a great editor I just looked at what happend and left an opinion.  I didn´t followed how it ended, and I am not sure if Walter read it as I didn´t left him any talkback template on his talkpage, but I think you were right as Alomerovic didn´t represented any national team at any level and thus the birthplace s usually used as flag (birthplace in such case is only disregarded when someone was born accidentally somewhere, like being born somewhere because of parents working temporarily there, but that was certainly not the case of Alomerovic and Priboj).  Well, you know all this, so there was not any problem, just a missunderstanding.


 * Ahahaha... evo je Tunguzija :D


 * Puno te pozdravljam :) FkpCascais (talk) 20:05, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Uspeli ssssmo
I tebi jedno veliko hvala :). Bilo mi je cast da pomognem, da saradjujemo i da sam deo toga da je Partizanova strana dobila good article i ako nisam Partizanovac :P, barem ne u SuperLigi ;). Zao mi je sto nisam mogao da pomognem ovi zadnjih trenutaka jel mi je jos zabranjeno. Nadam se da cemo i u buducnosti saradjivati ;). Inace ja sam dosta popravio Zvezdinu, Partizanovu i Vosinu stranu na nemackoj vp sto se tice istorije. Tamo radim na tome sto smo ovde vec uspeli, ali nemci imaju dosta uslova i strogiji su, ali uspecu jel mi dobro ide, to je samo pitanje vremena. Inace, zele ovo da nam obrisu FK Partizan strip, i ja mislim da to nesme da se desi. Veliki pozdrav druze :)!--Nado158 (talk) 18:31, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hehe veliko tebi hvala Nado, tu smo sta god da treba. Veliki, veliki pozdrav! :) FkpCascais (talk) 04:03, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Transferi
Pun mi je kurac ovih debila na trasferima...Da izvines na izrazu. Kad i ako imas vremena samo ih seci, i ne pitaj nista Bora83ns (talk) 12:32, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ne vredi puno da se covek nervira. Tako je ova vikipedija napravljena da moze svako kad god mu dune da edituje sta god hoce. A najsmesnije mi je kada dodaju transfere sa transfermarkt.co.uk a oni na tom sajtu dodaju transfere sto mi ubacimo, pa se onda ne zna ko je lud zbunjen. Srdacan pozdrav Boro :) FkpCascais (talk) 14:21, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

A pergunta do milénio
Boas FKP, AL "por aqui",

podes arranjar a tradução das referências em sérvio no Vladimir Stojković (artigo que continua a ser vandalizado, com os cabrões a chamarem-lhe "Mustafa" e "cigano")? Ou isso ou pedir a outro editor que perceba o idioma? Por favor? É que acho que, enquanto não me disseres "Não me chateies mais com isso" eu vou continuar a perguntar, para o bem do artigo.

Dizes-me que meteste uns quantos "wikibreaks" e eu acredito, só tenho razões para acreditar em ti, mas depois vejo que estás bastante activo...Isto só te leva uns 15 minutos para aí, e se pedires a outro editor sérvio ainda menos.

Um abraço, até outra --AL (talk) 15:04, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Ta, vou ver. :) Mas tenho mesmo estado muuito menos activo do que antigamente, podes ver pelas minhas contribuiçoes. Basicamente faço pequenas correcçoes aqui e acolá, e tenho feito tantos edits num mes como os que fazia antigamente num dia. Abraço! FkpCascais (talk) 15:07, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Mas Vasco, eu não estou a ver bem o que exatamente queres que verifique? É que sao meia centena de referencias e nao tenho mesmo tempo para as verificar todas :( Ha algumas em especifico que queres que veja? FkpCascais (talk) 15:11, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * É muito simples, meu. O artigo tem 45 referências, para aí 25-30 são em sérvio, só preciso do TRANS_TITLE nessas referências (ex. a REF#3 diz "Jovin: "Dobili smo najlakšeg protivnika"", quero que ponhas a tradução em inglês, eu até já facilitei a coisa pondo o dito campo TRANS_TITLE em todas as refs em sérvio, não te custa nada uma vez que falas o idioma fluentemente). --AL (talk) 15:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Aaaaahh... OK. É que eu não tinha percebido exatamente o que querias que fizesse, e pensei que querias que confirmasse todas as referencias em servio uma por uma e verificasse se correspondem ao que esta la no artigo. Opa, sim, faço a tradução dos titulos das referencias na boa :) Que formato queres que use? Onde queres que ponha a traduçao para ingles? A seguir ao titulo em servio? FkpCascais (talk) 15:22, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, espera, vou meter onde disseste que ponha, OK, ja percebi ;) Demorei mas percebi lol FkpCascais (talk) 15:24, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * "Shooting star". Vai perguntando à medida que tiveres dúvidas, cá estou eu! --AL (talk) 15:32, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Era so essa. Pronto, acho que estao todas... vou confirmar... FkpCascais (talk) 15:49, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Um grande abraço, obrigado por tudo. Espero poder retribuir algum dia! --AL (talk) 18:36, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Só mais esta: na última referência (em PERSONAL), o que é que quer dizer "Srpski sinovi", para traduzirmos tal como deve ser? Mais uma vez, mil obrigados. --AL (talk) 19:07, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Quer dizer "filhos da Sérvia". FkpCascais (talk) 11:28, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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Pozdrav druze! Moracu na srpskom jer zurim. Jel imas nekog sa vikipedije da profesionalno zna engleski? Potreban je clanku o Partizanu. Izgubio je GA status zbog nekih pravopisnih i gramatickih gresaka. Da bi se opet nominovao potrebno je ispraviti te greske. Znam da smaram ali bezveze je posle toliko truda da sve propadne. (Nightwolf87 (talk) 13:00, 22 June 2013 (UTC))
 * Problem je sto nemam... Jedino da zamolim nekoga na WP:FOOTY. FkpCascais (talk) 13:11, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
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Srpski mac
Kako si druze :)? Nadam se da si dobro? Samo jednu stvar. Najstariji klub na prostorima YU je Srpski mac (Boracko-Loptacko drustvo Srpski mac), osnovan 1897, ako to mozez ovde da popravis...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_football_clubs. Meni jos nije dozvoljeno. Nazalost retko to neko zna da je taj klu b najstariji, bolje reci prvi klub....Hvala ti, ipak PRVI ;)--Nado158 (talk) 18:31, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Pozdrav Nado, u pravu si, Srpski Mac treba da bude na listi, sad cu ga ubaciti. Ali na listi fale mnogi klubovi. Pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 20:35, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Srpski mac jeste osnovan 1897 ali pitanje kada je fudbalska sekcija u njemu stvorena... FkpCascais (talk) 21:03, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hvala ti. Kako ja znam on je bio od samog pocetka loptacki klub, loptacki klub veterana. On je ugasen 1911 (ne 1941, ali njegov naslednik je BSK) i njegovi igraci itd su vrlo brzo osnovali BSK. U sustini BSK je naslednik Srpskog maca. A sta kazes o teoriji da je Partizan upravo naslednik BSKa ane mozda OFK, ili pola pola? I licno mislim da je CZ naslednik SK Velike Srbije (SK Jugoslavija). Neki nece da svate, ali nasi najveci klubovi imaju mnogo vecu i duzu tradiciju nego stosu svesni....njihov pocetak nije komunizam ili bilo sta, nego uprav sasvim nesto drugo. Po tome, Partizan preko BSK i Sprskog maca ima najduze korene. A u istom momentu  i CZ, jel irgaci koji su napustili BSK su stvorili SK VS. Znaci priv koraci, koreni su SRPSKI i kako se moze reci isti. Ko to danas zna? Nasalost skoro niko. Pored toga i veciti derbi je naslednik Beogradskog derbija izmedju SK VS i BSKa koji je prvi put odigran 1913 i priv dobio naziv VECITI DERBI, niko drugi na Balkanu. Onda su ga preuzeli Hrvati, pa od Jugoslovena i Bugari idt (na ovim prostorima).--Nado158 (talk) 11:44, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ja sam upravo i dodao sve to malo sto ima o vecitom derbiju izmedju BSK i Jugoslavije ovde na vikiju. I stavio sam link o knjizi "Veciti derbi" bas o tome. Inace, ne moze da se smatra Partizan niti Zvezda naslednici, to mora zvanicno da bude tako, a zvanicno Jugoslavija nema naslednika, a BSK je OFK Beograd... FkpCascais (talk) 11:59, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ja sam se izgleda zeznuo. 1911 su ti igraci napustili klub Srpski mac, ali klub je i dalje irgao izgleda. Sad nisam sigurna jel to tacno i dokle? Pa znas kako brate, to su komunisit tada zabranili da bude zvanicno. Danas se to zaboravilo, ali ima dosta navijaca CZ koji su toga svesni. Pa skoro sve je preuzeto od SK Velike Srbije (SKJ). Naravno da to tada nisu komunjari dozvolili da bude zvanicnio, bas zato sto im je smetao SKJ zbog proslosti. Do dan danas se prica o tome i 100% reseno nije, samo to se to nazalost zaboravlja. Isto vazi za BSK. I nejmu su bili zabranili jedno vreme da igra po tom imenu idt...na kraju kad su Veciti bili na tronu BSK vise nije bio toliko bitan pa je bilo svedno da mu se vrati ime itd....svoj priv Stadion je dobio PB, svoj su dobili i prica je bila kao zavrsena. Od koga da bude zvanicno??? Od onih lopova u upravi kao Frizura, Tole idt? Pa svi oni nemaju blage veze Tole nije do juc eni znao ko je Cika Daca.--Nado158 (talk) 12:20, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Auu brate sta nam radi ona uprava....1:1 a moglo je biti 4:0 za Jermence...bruka. Nista tu nevalja.--Nado158 (talk) 15:11, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ovo vise nije nas Partizan. Nas Partizan je nestao onog trenutka kada su oterani Mirnkovic, Tomic i Moreira. Ovo sto od tada gledamo je KF Ramadani koji se slepuje uz ime i istoriju naseg kluba i oteo nam je stadion. Nas Partizan je umro. FkpCascais (talk) 16:11, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Strasno, sto uopste Tole i Fadil nemaju WP stranicu ako me razumes ;)?Drugi imaju. Ima dosta izvora, moze se dosta pisati ako me razumes.--Nado158 (talk) 17:10, 17 July 2013 (UTC)--Nado158 (talk) 17:10, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ima Tole, Tomislav Karadžić... Ramadani nema. FkpCascais (talk) 18:08, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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Hi FkpCascais, long time no speak. I've left him a quick message. In future all you need to do is revert (but not edit war!) and warn; if he continues thn report to WP:AIV. GiantSnowman 16:22, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Any evidence the IP and the editor are the same? GiantSnowman 22:12, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the IP (agree it is probably him) and left a warning. GiantSnowman 08:51, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


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