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Archive 7

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 * For the record: put the image in the article on the recording of the 2002 OBC, as seems to be permitted by the comments made by the editor who deleted it from the main Hairspray (musical) article.JeanColumbia (talk) 13:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Musical Theatre
You can update the numbers if you like. Since they haven't changed much, it doesn't seem urgent. Your edits there were very helpful, thanks! Hope all is well, -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

hi!
Hi, i respect your decision to revert my edits, and now suggest you take a look at Cinema of the United Kingdom, as this is very biased!Yomammaisamartyr (talk) 23:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Next To Normal
I deleted the ridiculously long plot summary. I bet it's a copyvio. In any case, it was apparently a summary of the workshop script, which is irrelevant. Workshops are not notable anyhow. This show has had an off-broadway run, and that is the most notable thing about it, unless it goes to B'way or the West End or has a long run somewhere else. So I focused the remaining info in the article on the off-Broadway version. Let me know if you disagree. If possible, it would be nice to get a reasonable-length plot summary in the article, critical reaction, background info, etc. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes, very good, I agree. I haven't seen this show, don't plan on doing so. I may be able to work on a few items at some point, but this is a busy time for me in the next few weeks. I will keep an eye out for anything useful in the local (Washington) papers. JeanColumbia (talk) 20:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Please take a look at the article. I will follow your lead. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, thinking, will return to this later tonight, must run now.JeanColumbia (talk) 16:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh, it's technically correct, supported by reliable sources, if perhaps not precisely meeting the WP:WPMT structure guidelines. I'd like to give it a little time here, see how it plays at the Arena, there's no urgency. Just for the history, I like the list of various casts/songs. (And the plot/synopsis section is now concise yet informative.)JeanColumbia (talk) 10:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking about this and responding. I'm sorry to hear that you feel this way, however, because you are one of the few gatekeepers in this area of Wikipedia. I feel strongly that multiple cast lists and song lists in musicals articles makes the articles less like an encyclopedia article and more like an appendix to a book. The list bristling with redlinks shows that it is non-notable. There are some "list" articles that have complete historical cast lists for a show, and I don't mind this, because, IMO, it keeps these editors happy, and keeps the article clear of these lists. WP:NOT says "excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia". It's talking there about links, but it seems equally applicable to embedded lists. See also: WP:Listcruft. But, of course, we can agree to disagree. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Blithe Spirit
This reminds me of Ghost (film). Could that have been based loosely on Blithe Spirit? -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:50, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt it.JeanColumbia (talk) 23:02, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello
I noticed you recently contributed to Private Lives. I added a lot of information a couple of days ago and also changed the award wikilinks so they would link to the respective articles, and now User:Emerson7 is giving me grief about my work. He has reverted it three times today alone. If you are willing to look at the discussion at and add some comments I would appreciate it. It seems to me a link should be as direct as possible, but I'm fairly new so if I'm wrong I'm happy to admit it. Thank you for any advice you can give me. LiteraryMaven (talk) 15:55, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Bernadette
The Gans article that you cited has a lot of info in it. She talks about her second book and about her dog... maybe there's something else useful in there for the "personal life" section, which is a little thin (or in the other new article cited in Broadway Barks.  Did you see Living Proof?  Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've known about the second book for a while now, but do not want to put it in just yet, it's still a little too vague for my taste (no title, only a vague idea of the plot, do not know exactly when it will be released -- I think late December--do not know anything about the song that accompanies it, probably the same publisher, but...too many ifs and buts...) (Of course, anyone else is free to write it up.) I'll be happy to add that she has another dog, Stella, a pit bull, also from a shelter, but, that seems kind of slight.
 * The playbill article (08 Nov 2008) was just to verify that she did this at FAO Schwartz, also a way to get in a picture or 2, otherwise nothing new there.
 * Yes, I saw LP, several times, have it on tape as well.
 * All in all, my philosophy is to wait for all the facts, well-documented, before adding them. (Obviously I do not add rumors or things she has said at the readings/or at the stage door/or on stage, either!) What others do, well, it's Wikipedia (!) JeanColumbia (talk) 20:33, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Very wise (re: 2nd book). Yes, I would suggest mentioning Stella. Peters obviously feels strongly about her dogs and has no kids, so I think it's a notable part of her personal life. Poor Andrew Gans. It seems to me that he is badgering Peters on a daily basis to take a Broadway role! I loved how she said that if she does so, it would have to be a role she really likes, because 8 shows a week is a real drag! LOL. I used to be in a light opera company where we did 8 shows a week, and boy was my throat sore all the time! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, one Stella coming up (in a bit). Andrew is not the only one badgering Bernadette about Broadway-at the book readings, on print & tv interviews, she is routinely asked, and she has her answer down pat. (I cannot imagine how you could sing opera-light or not-for 8 performances.) JeanColumbia (talk) 21:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Check out Light Opera of Manhattan :) -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

sorry
sorry i accedently deleted stuff from kristin chenoweth's page i didn't know what it did sorry. but i am her biggest fan.Littlebitlonger (talk) 01:54, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Michael Bennett
Aaargh! Take a look at all the edits by User:Penti. He has been throwing peacock words and OR into lots of articles. It seems like a real problem to me! -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh my! OR to be sure. I'm also really amused at all of the books (references) added to so many articles, to what purpose I'm not sure. Later. JeanColumbia (talk) 01:22, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Did a bit of work/tagging for Bennett & Turkey, got to run now. (Later) JeanColumbia (talk) 12:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the reference for Turkey Lurkey. I cleaned it up a little more and took off the big tag, just leaving a cite needed tag.  Unfortunately, the article is only about the dance and barely mentions the music or text of the song.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:46, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Penti here! I am totally new to this wikipedia, and have not a clue what peacocks are, or how to talk to you. I have thrown in many biblios as i have all the books mentioned. give me a break and assistance, if you would'nt mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Penti (talk • contribs) 22:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Some stuff
You can put these on your userpage if you like. --Ssilvers (talk) 21:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahh! So many thanks...JeanColumbia (talk) 00:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

You get to switch to the Bronze star when you pass 2.5 years and 12,000 edits. :) -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your prompt action on the wikilink project. :)~ -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:15, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh no, I just did a spit take!! JeanColumbia (talk) 00:18, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Please consider using bolding and "quotes" to emphasize the "important" words. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Future productions
With the economy so bad in both NY and London, I think we should be especially careful about information about future productions, especially where theatres have not yet been engaged. I think that a lot of productions in the pipeline will be cancelled. Just my 2cents. By the way, IMO, we should not be putting any future productions in the Infoboxes. I think the infoboxes should report on only key information about musicals that is already historical fact. What do you think? Hope you had a great turkey day (I'm having leftovers!) -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:51, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree.I've tried to be careful with the future stuff, but I'm not sure where to draw the line. I'll be happy to support you on the info box, are you going to put it in the Musical theatre article structure guidelines--or at least open a discussion we can refer back to?
 * My bird of choice for Thanksgiving was Peking duck, a 5-year tradition! But I supplement with pumpkin pie. JeanColumbia (talk) 18:58, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL! You can't go wrong with Peking Duck.  As for infobox discussion, I guess it's a good idea to bring it to the musical theatre talk page before adding it to the guidelines.  I'll make a suggestion over there, and you can support it if you agree with the phrasing.  Best regards.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

archives through January 13, 2009
Super job on Hammerstein, Jean. I'm such a hugh fan, and I'm really grateful that you put the work into the article. One of the refs got lost, and you'll see where I added "???". Now the article is considerably better. I threw in some titles of super-famous songs, but I don't think we need a long bulleted list of songs or shows, at least until the article is more complete (feel free, though, to format as you see fit). I'd rather see some analysis of his style and body of work, and why he became so successful and influential. Perhaps some of your references will help us defend more thoroughly the perennially-attacked statement that the modern musical was more "integrated" than previous types of musical theatre. We might also mention that he would have more Tonys, but the Tonys weren't invented yet. Sorry I haven't been more help, but I'm getting hammered at work, and I can hardly keep up with the G&S project. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:03, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, got bogged down in life, will try to get back to this, maybe over the weekend. I have no books, my local library isn't very useful, so I'm limited to what I can read on the internet, google books and such. I'd like to see what a scholar/academic would do with this article. (Agree that a long list of songs is not productive, would certainly be subjective, but I'm thinking of one song from each show, will look at other composers' articles to see how this is handled, perhaps find some criteria for inclusion.) JeanColumbia (talk) 11:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The refs that you added are perfect. I also added them to the R+H article and the musical theatre article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:51, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Proposition 8

 * Check this out: http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/marc-shaiman-on-prop-8-the-musical/?hp and http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28055296/ 1.2 million hits in one day, major composer... seems notable?  -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I wrote this, but obviously more could be said: California_Proposition_8_(2008). -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:53, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I'm in love with Marc. JeanColumbia (talk) 22:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

ROTFL! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Loesser
Nice job. Obviously, much more is needed on Loesser's career, but you have one again made a listy stub into a real article. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks--quite interesting and easy, lots of references. In looking around to see how other articles on composers were written, Loesser popped up. I also like to bring articles up-to-date when something is going on, in this case, the G&D revival.JeanColumbia (talk) 22:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

You better watch out, or I may have to give you another Barnstar. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:36, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Bernadette
Thanks! Once I realized what his issue was, I just googled the album. When the Rolling Stone review popped up, I did a little dance. Unfortunately the Vargas article isn't very good, but the album cover seems to be one of his very last works, and it's so nice that it really should be seen. It would be nice if we could find out how Bernadette convinced him to come out of retirement to do her album cover. I'm sure there's a good story there somewhere. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is a story, but this is all I know (I got this via Lexis-Nexis): "The famed illustrator Alberto Vargas is 84 and he thought his days of painting those scantily clad women were over. But someone with "something special" persuaded him to do one last "Vargas Girls" portrait, the New York Daily News reports. That someone was Bernadette Peters, and her portrait appears on the cover of her first album, "Gee Whiz". How'd she talk him into it? She just went to his California retreat, asked him to do one more, he looked at her and said, "You ARE a Vargas girl!" She sat five times, almost topless, paid an undisclosed fee and got to keep the original painting." The Associated Press, "Names in the News", Section: Domestic News, Length: 101 words, Dateline: New York, March 31, 1980, Monday, PM cycle. JeanColumbia (talk) 18:06, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I think that's good, as it directly supports having the image there. I added something to the article. Take a look, and tweak if you like. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

42nd Street Moon of San Francisco, California
The same editor is adding bloated paragraphs about all of this company's productions to articles. I hope they are notable, as the information being added seems unbalanced and promotional to me. See what you think. I have knocked them back some, but I wonder if all of this info should be deleted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/42StMoonGal -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thinking. (I'm pretty sure they are a professional company. Where does one draw the line between a pro resident company in SF versus one in, say, Washington DC or Chicago? Need to think this through. The MT members, plus other members of the interested community, need to be involved as well.)JeanColumbia (talk) 11:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Noel Coward
We've been working on this article and are about ready to nominate it for GA. Can you take a look and and make any comments? Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me. I know this isn't the place for a lenghthy list of his songs, but I wouldn't mind a mention of some of his more famous ones. What does "fp" in the list of plays mean?. (Off the topic a bit: Gower Champion aided in the direction of "High Spirits", see p. 174 of Graham Payn's book, My Life With... & Ethan Mordden, p. 39, Open a New Window, and IBDB. Oh, one of the "chorus boys" was Christopher Walken, billed as "Ronnie Walken". )JeanColumbia (talk) 11:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Great suggestions. I added some of your info to the High Spirits article. I asked User:Tim riley to see if he could put in a short list of songs. Fp means "first produced", because some of the plays were produced long after they were written. I added a note to the article. Any further comments more than welcome. Tim has done a super job on the article. Compare it to how it looked a week ago! BTW, we de-redlinked the musicals that do not have an article. Do you think that any of the unlinked musicals are screaming for an article? Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Greetings! I have added a song section near the end: please have a look and see what you think, and amend ad lib. Tim riley (talk) 20:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Will do! JeanColumbia (talk) 20:51, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit conflict]::Yes, I think Tim did a great job, very pleased that Noel has a nice article.
 * Ace of Clubs is interesting only because it contained the song "Sail Away", later used in his musical "Sail Away". (The date of Ace should be 1950.) 2 plays are interesting to me--Look After Lulu (it starred Tammy Grimes, in her first "book" role on Broadway) and Waiting in the Wings (I saw the latter, still have fond memories, it starred Lauren Bacall.) I can do articles on anything needed, perhaps tomorrow or Friday. JeanColumbia (talk) 20:51, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Nipping in before our friendly slave-driver has the chance: delighted if you care to do articles on any of the opuses in your para above. I can dig out lots of press cuttings etc if wanted. Tim riley (talk) 20:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Bernadette
Why is her appearance on the Rachel Ray show notable? Unless there is something particularly notable about it, I suggest deleting it, especially if its purpose is just to promote an acting project of hers. -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * She's promoting dogs, or "doggy DNA testing" I tink. Deleted per request. JeanColumbia (talk) 09:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think it makes the article stronger to omit stuff that isn't clearly notable.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, I am Tweedle20. I am the one who I think you probably thought was an ignorant inexperienced editor. Sorry if I insulted you with my comment on Talk:Annie but I really hate being corrected harshly like that. That is just something I need to get over. No hard feelings. Tweedle20 (talk) 20:40, 13 January 2009 (UTC)Tweedle20

Awards question
Hi. See what you think of Emerson's edits to Drood regarding the templates at the bottom. I wonder if he's right. You're the awards section expert. :-) -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, very fancy. (No other comments on this user's edits.) JeanColumbia (talk) 00:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

A New Brain
I've never heard this musical referred to simply as New Brain so i'll delete it from the the other list under NMark E (talk) 17:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Musical theatre
Happy Inauguration Day. Would you kindly take a look at the modern sections of the article to see if the examples given include the most up-to-date ones. I know you have your finger on the pulse of musical theatre better than anyone here. Especially if a show is doing well and is a good example of any of the points made, I'd be grateful if you added it. Also, if you think any of the lists of examples are too long, feel free to trim them to the most important examples. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:25, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * After the speech, before the parade, I can sqeeze this in (!).JeanColumbia (talk) 14:40, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

We're a pretty good team, Jean! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Cinderella (musical)
I have expanded and reorganized the article to bring it more in line with WikiProject Musical Theatre/Article Structure. As a major contributor to this article in the past, would you mind having a look and giving me your comments? It still lacks Synopsis and Awards sections, which I am still working on. Thanks. --Thomprod (talk) 16:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Noel Coward
This is almost ready to go to GA, I think. Please take a look and see if you can add anything. I'd like the flow of the career section to go smoother and have a little more context. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Possibly Mon-Tues, altho I think the career section is good as it stands. JeanColumbia (talk) 04:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Next to Normal
Instead of casts shown in columns with the name of the character repeated each time, can you add one of your nifty tables with the character names on the left and columns for the off-Broadway and Broadway casts (do we even need to name the Virginia cast in the table? It's the same as Broadway, and it's already given above in the narrative.  The old workshop information can be described briefly in the narrative (but needs a citation), and most of it is non-notable, except as history of the production.  Not to be pessimistic, but during a recession, I don't know that broadway audiences will flock to the theatre to see a musical about mental illness by two guys I never heard of.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:34, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll be away from my computer all day Feb 18, will be very busy Feb 19, may have time to start on Saturday, also busy Sunday. JeanColumbia (talk) 07:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow - I looked at the article history. This article has received a lot of POV pushing. An old really long plot summary is here -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Table done, plus a few references. Since I have no interest in the article (or the musical, for that matter), my work is done. JeanColumbia (talk) 13:34, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:46, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

LOL! You had so little interest that you wrote an article on the composer! I bet I see you in Row B of this little flop! :-) -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Bat Boy: The Musical
Thanks for your edits on this article. I've been struggling to try and clean it up to something at least somewhat encyclopaedic. You did a lot better job than I had been doing. Now if only we could get the synopsis edited. Heh. In any case. Just wanted to give some recognition.--Lendorien (talk) 15:04, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks for your thanks! I've worked with many musical theatre articles, it's fairly easy for me to do some referencing and getting the article into a roughly decent shape. Now, when it comes to plots, I am totally useless...even when I've seen the piece, I have a very poor memory, and I also never know what goes in and what does not. Anyway, I may re-visit the article in the future, I sometimes like to let things settle in my thoughts for a while. JeanColumbia (talk) 16:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The synopsis on this article is pretty bad and while I'm generally pretty good at editing, my unfamiliarity witht he subject makes me a bit nervous about editing it. I'm not sure I'm all that interested in seeing the thing either. It sounds like one big really corny cliche. --Lendorien (talk) 18:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, no! You should run, not walk to see this show.  It's a very interesting musical and was rather edgy when it first came out.  It juxtaposes horror and musical comedy in a genre-bending way.  The horror is pointedly campy.  Kind of like The Mystery of Irma Vep, but for a younger, 90's sort of sensibility.  Plus, it has a very good score.  The best way to write a plot summary is to read the script and summarize as you go.  Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Windy City
No problem with your adding the copy-vio template to the article. I would have done it myself if I knew how. LiteraryMaven (talk) 19:29, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * FYI, I am slowly "de-watching" musical theatre articles after about 1920. I'm afraid that Wikipedia is having a serious adverse effect on my work, and I have to do something to cut back my WP time.  If you ever need my attention on something in particular, please do not hesitate to ask.  All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

B-R-O-A-D-W-A-Y, OK!
[sings] "We know we belong in the seats/And the seats where we belong can't be beats...." See: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/theater/11bway.html -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * clap..clap.. JeanColumbia (talk) 09:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

The Happy Time
Regarding your change on The Happy Time that Niagara University cannot say it performed these songs for the first time, do you know specifically what new songs were performed by the Goodspeed company in 1980? The Niagara Cast was told by Kander and Ebb that there were two cuts of songs, an original shortening and then a second when the show was not doing very well. The cats was told that the five songs added in had never been performed by anyone. Thanks.--Bibi Bonnard (talk) 02:59, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Response
I'll answer here and also send a note later to Bibi Bonnard. Starting to research. (1) The New York Times review of the 1980 Goodspeed does not mention the new songs by title. This article ([playbill, 01 Apr 2008]) which discusses the 2007 Signature production, states: "Director Unger told Playbill.com that the Signature production will be a revision of a Goodspeed Musicals revival draft, which added a song called 'Running,' an 11 o'clock number for Jacques. That version also included three songs cut prior to the Broadway opening — 'Jeanne Marie,' 'In His Own Good Time' and 'I'm Sorry,' to be heard in Virginia, as well." That is all I have at the moment, will research later today as time permits. I believe, however, that the statement by the Signature director verifies that the songs were indeed added back at Goodspeed in 1980.JeanColumbia (talk) 08:57, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

This is from the book Before the parade passes by (2005) by John Anthony Gilvey, pages 193 & 197-198 (ISBN 0312337760): "During the rehearsal period, Kander and Ebb composed four additional songs, three of which, in time, the director would delete from the score. These were 'Jeanne-Marie', 'I Won't Go', 'I'm Sorry', and 'Seeing Things'...Also during rehearsal ...'If You Leave Me Now' was replaced with the stronger 'Seeing Things'...the director went to work himself, substituting dialogue for action. These changes included removing some songs intended to develop the characters and their relationships, like 'Jeanne-Marie', 'In His Own Good Time', and 'I Won't Go', and revamping others like 'A Certain Girl'... 'Allez-Ooop' became the more naughty 'Catch My Garter' and 'I'm Getting Younger Every Year' was replaced with 'The Life of the Party'." JeanColumbia (talk) 10:20, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Noel Coward
Would you kindly comment or vote here?: Featured article candidates/Noël Coward Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh my, I'm not sure that I'm qualified to vote on a FA, I have no idea of what makes an article Featured. Only two minor points: 1)songs: how many songs did he write? "Over 300", or somewhere upwards of 500, per the reference given @ www.noelcoward.net. (That site defines the terms, but I initially wondered, what does "most popular song" mean?)  2) Has this been discussed--what is the date of the photo with Braithwaite? I may vote later tonight or tomorrow if I can get the chance to read the article through. JeanColumbia (talk) 19:07, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I may not be qualified to comment on a FA article, but I know what is well-written, properly researched, and, most informative. Support! JeanColumbia (talk) 21:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

The article has been promoted to FA. Thanks for your help along the way. Sir Noel and all the related articles have come a long way in a fairly short time. If the spirit moves you, one of the commenters was bemoaning the fact that we do not have a separate article on Words and Music. It would be fairly easy for you to split it off of Set to Music, I think, and if you started the article, Tim and I would help with it. It makes sense to have a separate article, since Words and Music actually had a longer run than Set to Music. Also, congratulations on finally joining the Musicals Project. It made me laugh that the person doing the most work on musicals was not signed up at the project. :-) All the best.


 * Congrats! In case it isn't obvious, I love Coward, so very good that he has the article he deserves. I'll start work on W&M right now. (I joined the MT project so that I could, without anyone questioning it, remove 2 vandals on the list. Also so I can rate articles.) JeanColumbia (talk) 15:20, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I see we have both been editing two NC show articles practically simultaneously. At your service if I can dig anything out of the archives or my shelves. Tim riley (talk) 15:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Harry Warren
Thanks for putting up Words and Music (musical). Wow, I had never heard of Harry Warren. Do you have time to do anything about his puny bio? Here's a person who really deserves a better bio! All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:21, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Welcome! I may have time next week, I'll see. JeanColumbia (talk) 18:04, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Nice work! Is there any way to cut down the list of film songs to the most notable ones? It's an awful long list! Thanks for all your efforts on this "unsung songwriter"! ;-) -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:06, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I do not have any thoughts on the list, whatever I did would be arbitrary, and I don't know all of his work well enough. I'll look around for some objective criteria or something that some authority wrote, and will return to the article, but not for a while (can not say when.) JeanColumbia (talk) 09:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. It's a difficult task. The more you look, the more you find people saying that various songs were hits that are not even on our list. I guess we have to list all 21 that reached #1 on Your Hit Parade, as well as all the Oscar nominees, Broadway hits, and.... No rush. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:33, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Little Mary Sunshine: Assessment thoughts
Just my 2 cents: I would not rate this a C because it has no critical reception section and, although it has a lot of content, it is largely unreferenced and contains a lot of info that might be WP:OR. Just IMO. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:05, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note, I'm just learning how to assess. It does now (have a critical reception section). I thought it was quite obvious all along that the article is heavy in interesting, if possibly original, thought. I'll reference factual material if I can, out of time today. JeanColumbia (talk) 17:00, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. That was very helpful, and any referencing that you could add would do much to increase the WP:V of this article. Best regards! -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:48, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, Coward!
Great job on expanding this! I created the article as a little stub back in November and its great to see it so much improved.Broadweighbabe (talk) 18:21, 28 March 2009 (UTC)